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A question for the Lone Nutters on Search and Seizure
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Gil Jesus
Nov 11, 2023, 5:52:02 AM11/11/23
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Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?
Bud
Nov 11, 2023, 5:57:26 AM11/11/23
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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:52:02 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
> Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?
You realize that if you are allowed access you don`t need a warrant, right?
> Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?
Gil Jesus
Nov 11, 2023, 6:43:03 AM11/11/23
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Do you have evidence that these were consent searches ?
Please post your source.
recip...@gmail.com
Nov 11, 2023, 9:47:19 AM11/11/23
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That being said, what is your evidence that the FBI acted improperly with either company?
Gil Jesus
Nov 11, 2023, 12:21:33 PM11/11/23
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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 9:47:19 AM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
> Feldsott's affidavit implies that Crescent voluntarily assisted the FBI. Scibor's testimony does the same for Klein's.
>
> That being said, what is your evidence that the FBI acted improperly with either company?
Who said they acted improperly ?
> Feldsott's affidavit implies that Crescent voluntarily assisted the FBI. Scibor's testimony does the same for Klein's.
>
> That being said, what is your evidence that the FBI acted improperly with either company?
I asked for copies of the search warrants.
I never said they acted improperly.
In fact, your answer is 100% correct. The searches were done by representatives of the companies, and because the companies owned the records,
there was nothing illegal about their search. It was up to the companies whether they would release the records to the FBI or whether they required a search warrant.
Although he doesn't mention him by name, Scibor's testimony says that he "got permission" to open the files and view the records from a company executive.
I assume that executive was William Waldman, the company vice-president who showed up and conducted the search at Klein's.
But you are correct.
No search warrant was necessary because according to the testimony of Scibor and the affidavit of Feldsott, both companies cooperated fully with the FBI
and willingly released to them the information in their files.
The rest of the trolls were too lazy to look it up. You weren't.
Congratulations.
Bud
Nov 11, 2023, 12:43:31 PM11/11/23
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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 6:43:03 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:57:26 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:52:02 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
> > > Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?
> > You realize that if you are allowed access you don`t need a warrant, right?
> Yes I do.
Then what is the problem?
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:57:26 AM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 5:52:02 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
> > > Would you please post copies of the FBI's search warrants for the records of Crescent Firearms and Klein's Sporting Goods ?
> > You realize that if you are allowed access you don`t need a warrant, right?
> Yes I do.
> Do you have evidence that these were consent searches ?
> Please post your source.
For what?
Bud
Nov 11, 2023, 12:45:31 PM11/11/23
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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:21:33 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 9:47:19 AM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Feldsott's affidavit implies that Crescent voluntarily assisted the FBI. Scibor's testimony does the same for Klein's.
> >
> > That being said, what is your evidence that the FBI acted improperly with either company?
> Who said they acted improperly ?
> I asked for copies of the search warrants.
You refuse to show they were necessary.
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 9:47:19 AM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Feldsott's affidavit implies that Crescent voluntarily assisted the FBI. Scibor's testimony does the same for Klein's.
> >
> > That being said, what is your evidence that the FBI acted improperly with either company?
> Who said they acted improperly ?
> I asked for copies of the search warrants.
> I never said they acted improperly.
>
> In fact, your answer is 100% correct. The searches were done by representatives of the companies, and because the companies owned the records,
> there was nothing illegal about their search. It was up to the companies whether they would release the records to the FBI or whether they required a search warrant.
> Although he doesn't mention him by name, Scibor's testimony says that he "got permission" to open the files and view the records from a company executive.
> I assume that executive was William Waldman, the company vice-president who showed up and conducted the search at Klein's.
>
> But you are correct.
> No search warrant was necessary because according to the testimony of Scibor and the affidavit of Feldsott, both companies cooperated fully with the FBI
> and willingly released to them the information in their files.
>
> The rest of the trolls were too lazy to look it up. You weren't.
> Congratulations.
Gil Jesus
Nov 11, 2023, 12:50:03 PM11/11/23
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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 12:45:31 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
> Everyone should ignore your attempts to shift the burden.
And yet you can't.
> Everyone should ignore your attempts to shift the burden.
Bud
Nov 11, 2023, 1:12:14 PM11/11/23
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Gil Jesus
Nov 12, 2023, 5:26:56 AM11/12/23
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On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 1:12:14 PM UTC-5, Bud wrote:
> Did I fall for it?
What do you want a medal ?
> Did I fall for it?
Here ya go:
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/troll-medal.jpg
robert johnson
Nov 12, 2023, 10:55:06 AM11/12/23
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Ben Holmes
Nov 13, 2023, 6:56:34 PM11/13/23
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 02:57:25 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
You realize that you're a proven coward, right?
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
wrote:
You realize that you're a proven coward, right?
So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?
Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.
It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)
So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.
Ben Holmes
Nov 13, 2023, 6:56:35 PM11/13/23
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Ben Holmes
Nov 13, 2023, 6:56:36 PM11/13/23
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Ben Holmes
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