September 20, 1963 - Richard Case Nagell
curtjester1
knowledge of a pending assassination against President Kennedy,
Richard Case Nagell realized that he had made a serious mistake. He
now feared for his life and thought seriously about leaving the
country. Nagell had particpated in ruthless CIA operations in the Far
East, understood the inherant dangers, and thought the safest place
for him was in jail. He did not want to be identified with any of the
conspirators or suffer the consequences of people who had intimate
knowledge of the assassination.
On September 20 Nagell sent a registered telegram from El Paso, Texas
to J. Edgar Hoover at FBI Headquarters and informed him that President
Kennedy would be assassinated during the last week of September in *a
conspiracy that involved LEE Harvey Oswald.* After mailing the
letter, which included Oswald's description, aliases, and current
address, Nagell walked into the State National Bank and fired two
shots into the ceiling. He then walked outside and waited for the
police to arrive. When the police arrived and arrested Nagell his
only statement was, "I would rather be arrested than commit murder and
treason."
When Nagell was searched the police found a photocopy of a military ID
card issued to LEE Harvey Oswald. The ID card was probably given to
Nagell by the people who assigned him to infiltrate the activities of
LEE Harvey Oswald and Franz Waehauf at the Hotel Luma in Mexico City.
Otherwise, how would Nagell have a copy of Oswald's military ID card?
When HARVEY was arrested a nearly identical military ID card was found
in his wallet, only the photograph and signature were different. Two
different military ID cards for two different "Lee Harvey Oswalds."
The police also took from Nagell a list that contained the names of
six CIA agents.
At a preliminary hearing the arresting officer, Jim Bundren, asked
Nagell if he intented to rob the State National Bank. Nagell said,
"Well, I'm glad you caught me. I really don't want to be in Dallas
right now." When Bundren asked what he meant by his statement Nagell
said, " You'll see soon enough." Nagell's letter to FBI Director J.
Edgar Hoover went unanswered and, in fact, disappeared. The FBI did
nothing to prevent the assassination of President Kennedy and
supressed their knowledge of Nagell and the copy of Oswald's military
ID card that was taken from him by the El Paso police.
(President Kennedy was not in Dallas on September 20 and his trip to
Texas was not announced by the White House until September 26-six days
after Nagell's arrest. Nagell's actions indicate that he had inside
information about the President's trip to Dallas but was uncertain
about the date
Three weeks after the assassination, on December 12, 1963, FBI agents
White and Boyer visited Nagell at the El Paso County Jail and obtained
his fingerprints. Nagell told the agents he met Lee Harvey Oswald
socially in Mexico City and in Texas, but refused to comment further.
In early 1967 Nagell was interviewed by New Orleans Assistant District
Attorney William Martin in Springfield, MO. After learning from
Martin that DA Jim Garrison believed the assassination was in response
to President Kennedy's policy on Cuba, Nagell said, "That is
absolutely right, as a general picture, but of course there are some
fine points here that you have not covered." Nagell then explained
that he had infiltrated the assassination plot and in the summer of
1963 made a tape recording of four individuals who were involved in
the plot, including "Arcacha" and "Q." He offered to give Garrison
evidence "of such a nature as to wrap up and put a seal on the entire
investigation," but wisely refused to disclose the whereabouts of the
tape to Martin. Garrison later discovered that Martin was working
with the CIA, and had no doubt told the Agency about the existence of
the tape recording.)
Pg. 598-99 Harvey and Lee
CJ
lazu...@webtv.net
to Desmond"dizzy fits" Fitzgerald head of the cuban task force of the
CIA, along with the registered letter to Hoover and both FBI-CIA did
absolutely nothing to stop the Assassination.
Fitzgerald is part of the georgetown/Yale set which seems to be the
epicenter of the conspiracy, some combination of-Dulles,Helms, Barnes,
Meyer, Angleton,Bush family, Rostows, Mac Bundy...carried out by Hunt,
Harvey, Phillips, and maybe Lansdale.
curtjester1
The way I look at it Laz, is that there was always a conspiracy by the
CIA insiders especially to run the policy and Presidency. These
characters thought that JFK would abide or relent with their insider
shenanigans. When they were constantly thwarted, then this cabal
started thinking getting JFK out of the picture, and with LBJ's desire
and his cabal with oil buddies etc, merged the more concise plot. All
they needed was solidarity, and that's where you can see them trying
to draw in people close to them like a Nagell, and a Donald P. Norton
that were used to doing the CIA protocols anyway, and then you have
people like your Delphine Roberts, Ann Goodpasture's, Win Scott's, and
a Gary Underhill that get caught in this blackhole as the plot gets
along farther...and as it is carried out, they know the ramifications
and they either keep quiet, or let things slip a little, or blow the
whistles (some eventually), and they get dealt with accordingly by the
victorious Conspirators. Nagell getting long prison, Underhill death,
and who knows like a Win Scott who finally blabbed that Oswald was
under surveillance in Mexico City....etc. etc.
CJ
Walt
If you read between the lines you can see that Nagell took the "US
Milirary Dependent's ID card" from a corpse who had been using the
name Oswald. Nagell said that this "Oswald" was alive on September
17, but was no longer alive on September 19, 1963. On September 20,
1963 Nagell "robbed" a federally insured bank in El Paso. He had just
entered the US from Mexico and wanted to make contact with the FBI as
soon as possible. So he "robbed" the federally insured bank because he
knew that the FBI would have jurisdiction over the "bank robbery"
Nagell must have known that the "Oswald" that he killed was just a
decoy, and the "Oswald plan" (as Nixon called it) to murder JFK was
still moving forward. He felt obligated to get the information to
Hoover as quickly as possible. He had already mailed a registered
letter to Hoover but apparently he wanted to be absolutely certain
that action was taken to prevent the scheduled
assassinaton......therefore he "robbed the bank" knowing that he'd be
talking to an RBI agent very shortly.
If you examine that Military ID card ( US intelligence) that Nagell
had in his possession you'll notice that the photo is of neither Lee
Harvey Oswald, or Richard Case Nagell, and the signature "Lee H.
Oswald" is not either Oswald's or Nagell's handwriting. Apparently
Nagell in Mexico, intercepted a man who was using Oswald's name and
murdered him to thwart the plot to murder JFK. Nagell must have known
that there were other's out there still using Oswald's name and moving
forward with the plot to assassinate JFK.... because if he hadn't
learned that, from "Oswald" before killing him then there would have
been no reason for him to enter the US and mail that letter or "rob"
that bank.
>
> When HARVEY was arrested a nearly identical military ID card was found
> in his wallet, only the photograph and signature were different.
This "military dependent's card was carried by three known US
intelligence agents, Francis Gary Powers, Richard case Nagell, and Lee
Harvey Oswald. Nagell KNEW that it was the secret ID of a US
intelligence agent, so when he removed it from the body of the dead
"Oswald" he must have been worried that he had just killed a US
intelligence agent.
Two
> different military ID cards for two different "Lee Harvey Oswalds."
> The police also took from Nagell a list that contained the names of
> six CIA agents.
>
> At a preliminary hearing the arresting officer, Jim Bundren, asked
> Nagell if he intented to rob the State National Bank. Nagell said,
> "Well, I'm glad you caught me. I really don't want to be in Dallas
> right now." When Bundren asked what he meant by his statement Nagell
> said, " You'll see soon enough."
This is BS made up by Jim Bundren...... Nagell thought the
assassination was scheduled to take place in Washington DC.... So he
wouldn't have told Bundren .." I really don't want to be in Dallas
right now"
curtjester1
Is this "reading between the lines", that Nagell would say Oswald "was
no longer alive on September 19, 1963"??!!
Nagell thought that the Fed's would be his ally, hence that's why he
sent a regiatered letter to Hoover and others. The FBI had
'jurisdiction' alright. They put Nagell away and didn't mention any
of this before the assassination of JFK.
> Nagell must have known that the "Oswald" that he killed was just a
> decoy, and the "Oswald plan" (as Nixon called it) to murder JFK was
> still moving forward. He felt obligated to get the information to
> Hoover as quickly as possible. He had already mailed a registered
> letter to Hoover but apparently he wanted to be absolutely certain
> that action was taken to prevent the scheduled
> assassinaton......therefore he "robbed the bank" knowing that he'd be
> talking to an RBI agent very shortly.
>
Why would he know that Oswald was a decoy? Nagell knew Oswald from
Japan!
> If you examine that Military ID card ( US intelligence) that Nagell
> had in his possession you'll notice that the photo is of neither Lee
> Harvey Oswald, or Richard Case Nagell, and the signature "Lee H.
> Oswald" is not either Oswald's or Nagell's handwriting. Apparently
> Nagell in Mexico, intercepted a man who was using Oswald's name and
> murdered him to thwart the plot to murder JFK. Nagell must have known
> that there were other's out there still using Oswald's name and moving
> forward with the plot to assassinate JFK.... because if he hadn't
> learned that, from "Oswald" before killing him then there would have
> been no reason for him to enter the US and mail that letter or "rob"
> that bank.
>
>
He photocopied it. It was his job to inlfiltrate assassination
plots. He therefore then infiltrated Bannister's group. The Oswald
he knew was in that group. He even confronted Oswald, and Oswald said
he was in too deep. He went to the back because he was super
patriotic and was a whistle blower when things got out of hand. His
conscience made it say it would be treason to not attempt to thwart
the assassination, and that's why he sacrificed and went to the bank
so the warning would be real, documented, and hopefully provide
himself a safe have for what he himself was getting too deep into
himself.
CJ
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> > When HARVEY was arrested a nearly identical military ID card was found
> > in his wallet, only the photograph and signature were different.
>
> This "military dependent's card was carried by three known US
> intelligence agents, Francis Gary Powers, Richard case Nagell, and Lee
> Harvey Oswald. Nagell KNEW that it was the secret ID of a US
> intelligence agent, so when he removed it from the body of the dead
> "Oswald" he must have been worried that he had just killed a US
> intelligence agent.
>
Way off.
> Two
>
> > different military ID cards for two different "Lee Harvey Oswalds."
> > The police also took from Nagell a list that contained the names of
> > six CIA agents.
>
> > At a preliminary hearing the arresting officer, Jim Bundren, asked
> > Nagell if he intented to rob the State National Bank. Nagell said,
> > "Well, I'm glad you caught me. I really don't want to be in Dallas
> > right now." When Bundren asked what he meant by his statement Nagell
> > said, " You'll see soon enough."
>
> This is BS made up by Jim Bundren...... Nagell thought the
> assassination was scheduled to take place in Washington DC.... So he
> wouldn't have told Bundren .." I really don't want to be in Dallas
> right now"
>
Where is this Washington stuff coming from?
CJ
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David Von Pein
Anyone who is interested in knowing more about the nutcase known as
Richard Case Nagell should read Dave Reitzes' remarkable and ultra-
detailed multi-part essay on Nagell:
Walt
See page 288 of "The Man Who Knew Too Much" about a memorandum
relating to Nagell....
Qoute;.." Leon Oswald---Male causian, American, 24-26, 150 pounds,
5'9", alove on September 14-15, 1963. Not alive after September 19,
1963.
Later Nagell amended the above.... "The second Oswald, Leon,
apparently was eliminated by mistake."
I don't believe that's correct...According to Dick Russell he had that
card with the number N 4,271,617 that was made from Oswald's card.
Walt
Riiiiiight.... Like I'd accept anything that McAdams pushes. Of
course you can say that Nagell was a "nutcase" because that's exactly
what Hoover wanted people to believe after he (Hoover) had Nagell
thrown in the Springfield funny farm.