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lazu...@webtv.net

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May 11, 2010, 3:58:26 PM5/11/10
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By G. Paul Chambers, a top scientist who says "the lone gunman theory is
frankly impossible"....read about it on Amazon..Sep.7th release date.

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David Von Pein

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>>> "Upcoming Book: "Head Shot: The Science Behind The JFK Assassination" By G. Paul Chambers, a top scientist who says "the lone gunman theory is frankly impossible"." <<<

Oh, good! Another CTer who plans on ignoring all the evidence (while
making up his own, no doubt). That makes about 550 authors who have
elected to do that now. Lovely trend indeed, isn't it?

http://Amazon.com/Head_Shot/dp/161614209X

Descriptive Blurb:

After more than four decades and scores of books, documentaries, and
films on the subject, what more can be said about the assassination of
President John F. Kennedy? A great deal, according to physicist and
ballistics expert Dr. G. Paul Chambers.

In this provocative, rigorously researched book, Chambers presents
evidence and compelling arguments that will make you rethink the
entire sequence of terrible events on that traumatic day in Dallas.
Drawing on his fifteen years experience as an experimental physicist
for the US Navy, Chambers demonstrates that the commonly accepted view
of the assassination is fundamentally flawed from a scientific
perspective. The physics behind lone-gunmen theories is not only
wrong, says Chambers, but frankly impossible.

Chambers devotes separate chapters to the Warren Commission,
challenges to the single-bullet theory, the witnesses, how science
arrives at the truth, the medical and acoustic evidence, the Zapruder
film, and convincing evidence for at least a second rifleman in Dealey
Plaza.

"Head Shot" is the first book to: Identify the second murder weapon;
Prove the locations of the assassins; Demonstrate multiple shooters
with scientific certainty.

Chambers concludes with a persuasive chapter on why this horrible
event, now almost half a century old, should still matter to us today.
For anyone seeking a fresh understanding of the JFK assassination,
"Head Shot" is an indispensable book.

Book Stats:

Hardcover: 240 pages
Publisher: Prometheus Books
Release Date: September 7, 2010
Language: English
ISBN-10: 161614209X

Ben Holmes

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May 11, 2010, 8:48:27 PM5/11/10
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In article <29260-4BE...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
lazu...@webtv.net says...

>
>By G. Paul Chambers, a top scientist who says "the lone gunman theory is
>frankly impossible"....read about it on Amazon..Sep.7th release date.

Looks interesting... but, of course, since Mr. Chambers is not a "Forensic
Pathologist", anything he says is of no value (unless, of course, he's defending
the WCR.)

Okay trolls, your spin has already been posted!


--
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Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com

lazu...@webtv.net

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May 12, 2010, 2:21:05 AM5/12/10
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Typically, people shoot off their mouths without knowng anything about
the book-neither do I....but I'm not passing judgement...what kind of
answer is that Ben? His credentials are extremely impressive, and I'm
sure way beyond anyone on any of these boards-conspiracy or no
conspiracy...so It'll be interesting to see what he says...not that
evidence means much of anything to either conspiracists or lone nutters
anymore..people will believe what they believe irregardless...laz

lazu...@webtv.net

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May 12, 2010, 2:23:30 AM5/12/10
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Sorry Ben-I missed your ironic statement and very good point...laz

Sam McClung

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May 12, 2010, 3:14:05 AM5/12/10
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> Typically, people shoot off their mouths without knowng anything about
> the book-neither do I....but I'm not passing judgement...what kind of
> answer is that Ben? His credentials are extremely impressive, and I'm
> sure way beyond anyone on any of these boards

even davey the counter man?

Ben Holmes

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May 12, 2010, 9:35:03 AM5/12/10
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In article <3862-4BEA...@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>,
lazu...@webtv.net says...

>
>Typically, people shoot off their mouths without knowng anything about
>the book-neither do I....but I'm not passing judgement...what kind of
>answer is that Ben?

Come on, do I have to point out irony?

LNT'er kooks have built up the "Forensic Pathologist" to be the only credential
that means anything to the JFK case. You know that!


>His credentials are extremely impressive, and I'm
>sure way beyond anyone on any of these boards-conspiracy or no
>conspiracy...so It'll be interesting to see what he says...not that
>evidence means much of anything to either conspiracists or lone nutters
>anymore..people will believe what they believe irregardless...laz

True... the kooks refuse to look at the evidence anymore...

Ben Holmes

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May 12, 2010, 9:36:28 AM5/12/10
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In article <3863-4BE...@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>, lazu...@webtv.net
says...

>
>Sorry Ben-I missed your ironic statement and very good point...laz

And I answered your previous statement before reading this one...

I just think it's funny how "Forensic Pathology" has become the holy grail in
the JFK case.

robcap...@netscape.com

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May 12, 2010, 9:46:29 AM5/12/10
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On May 12, 9:35 am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <3862-4BEA48D1-1...@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>,
> lazuli...@webtv.net says...

>
>
>
> >Typically, people shoot off their mouths without knowng anything about
> >the book-neither do I....but I'm not passing judgement...what kind of
> >answer is that Ben?
>
> Come on, do I have to point out irony?
>
> LNT'er kooks have built up the "Forensic Pathologist" to be the only credential
> that means anything to the JFK case. You know that!

Ben admits he is a LNer again as he told me doctors are NOT ballistic
experts (only FP's have formal ballistics training), thus they can't
even properly place back wounds!

“Tell us, Rob - which ballistics expert put the back wound at T-3?

For surely, if you're willing to accept the ballistics "expertise" of
a doctor, you must certainly have a ballistics expert on call to show
you where the back wound hit.” (Ben Holmes – 5/24/09)

He has said even FP's are "not ballistic experts" and this is an out
and out lie!

"Forensic Pathologists are not "ballistics experts" either... however,
they do have training in ballistics and it's application to
wounds." (Ben Holmes—6/6/09)

They go beyond just the interest of wounds as they are the ones that
match or ID a murder weapon! ALL Medical Examiners are FP's! Learning
about firearms is part of their training!

Ben has argued the same thing he is blaming LNers for, thus he is a
LNer too!

> >His credentials are extremely impressive, and I'm
> >sure way beyond anyone on any of these boards-conspiracy or no
> >conspiracy...so It'll be interesting to see what he says...not that
> >evidence means much of anything to either conspiracists or lone nutters
> >anymore..people will believe what they believe irregardless...laz
>
> True... the kooks refuse to look at the evidence anymore...

I know real CTers like me want to, but LNers like you won't ever cite
it or discuss it! YOU have made these claims and to this day you have
offered NO supporting evidence!

1) LHO ordered a 40" Carcano.

2) LHO received a 40" Carcano.

3) LHO owned a 40" Carcano (CE-139/C2766).

4) LHO posed with a 40" Carcano.

5) LHO's alleged 40" Carcano was high velocity.

6) LHO went to Mexico City for sure due to overwhelming evidence.

7) LHO had Marina take CE-133A and it is GENUINE.

8) LHO altered his own chin in CE-133A in the SAME MANNER others would
alter it in the other copies.

9) The clip was INSIDE the Carcano when it was found.

10) ONLY doctors with ballistics training can locate a back wound
correctly.

11) NO doctors have ballistic exptertise.

12) The FBI had IMMEDIATE JURISDICTION for the JFK murder.

13) The FBI has jurisidiction for ALL FELONIES in the U.S.

14) The vast majority of folks charged with a crime are guilty!

15) FMJ bullets routinely break into three pieces.

16) An INCONCLUSIVE ballistic test result FAVORS the WC (prosecution's
side) when they had THE BURDEN OF PROOF!

17) Much of the evidence against LHO PREDATES the Tampa attempt
(11/18/63).

18) The *MAJOR IMPETUS* for the government's coverup of the crime was
due to Valery Kostikov!

19) CE-573 (copper jacketed bullet) was used by LHO to shoot at Walker
when the official DPD report listed a STEEL JACKETED type!

20) Marina's claim of LHO shooting at Walker has corroboration
evidence.

21) That LHO had his watch fixed after it BROKE in 10/62 when YOUR own
cite (Marina) said he never did POST-ASSASSINATION!

22) That a low velocity CIVIL WAR MUSKET BALL killed JFK!

23) That JFK NEVER lived.

24) That a FMJ could do the damage seen in JFK's head.

25) That NO doctor at Parkland Hospital (a hospital that had hundred
of gunshot victims a year) was qualified to say a high velocity bullet
killed JFK.

26) That Lt. Day's claim of lifting a palmprint was EQUALLY PERSUASIVE
as Latona's test results.

27) That due to NO doctor at PH having ballistic experience they could
NOT properly place the wound at T-3.

28) That the Bill of Lading proves 40" Carcanos were shipped to
Klein's in 2/63.

29) That LHO knew Silvia Duran because her name was in his alleged
notebook.

30) That many CT authors agree with you about there being
"overwhelming evidence" showing us LHO went to Mexico City when the WC/
CIA said he did!

31) Murder trials are held in Civil Courts too!

Ben Holmes

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May 12, 2010, 10:11:19 AM5/12/10
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In article <d5df94b4-cf4e-45bb...@o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
robcap...@netscape.com says...

>
>On May 12, 9:35=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <3862-4BEA48D1-1...@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>,
>> lazuli...@webtv.net says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >Typically, people shoot off their mouths without knowng anything about
>> >the book-neither do I....but I'm not passing judgement...what kind of
>> >answer is that Ben?
>>
>> Come on, do I have to point out irony?
>>
>> LNT'er kooks have built up the "Forensic Pathologist" to be the only cred=

>ential
>> that means anything to the JFK case. You know that!
>
>Ben admits he is a LNer again


How silly! No such thing happened.

Am I the *only* CT'er to point out the idiocy of the "Forensic Pathologist"
fixation that LNT'ers have?


>as he told me doctors are NOT ballistic
>experts

They aren't nuclear physicist's either. Nor are they certified as race car
drivers... indeed, the list of things that they aren't greatly exceed what they
*are*.

>(only FP's have formal ballistics training), thus they can't
>even properly place back wounds!


Only a nutcase like you would believe such a silly thing...


>=93Tell us, Rob - which ballistics expert put the back wound at T-3?


>
>For surely, if you're willing to accept the ballistics "expertise" of
>a doctor, you must certainly have a ballistics expert on call to show

>you where the back wound hit.=94 (Ben Holmes =96 5/24/09)


Yep... still true.


>He has said even FP's are "not ballistic experts" and this is an out
>and out lie!

Still true...

>"Forensic Pathologists are not "ballistics experts" either... however,
>they do have training in ballistics and it's application to

>wounds." (Ben Holmes=976/6/09)


So self-evidently correct, that only a moron thinks otherwise.


>They go beyond just the interest of wounds as they are the ones that
>match or ID a murder weapon!

No they don't. Even the WC, for example, refused to try to ID murder weapons by
the testimony of the doctors in this case. Tell us moron, who did the WC use to
try to demonstrate that the rifle or pistol were the murder weapons? NAME THEM
AND THEN LIST THEIR MEDICAL DEGREE!!

But you can't. Once again, you're making unsupportable and stupid assertions.

With no cite.


>ALL Medical Examiners are FP's! Learning
>about firearms is part of their training!


Yep... I suspect so...


>Ben has argued the same thing he is blaming LNers for, thus he is a
>LNer too!


And yet, you can't seem to quote any such thing. Unless, of course, you're
referring to simple facts like the date of JFK's assassination...


>> >His credentials are extremely impressive, and I'm
>> >sure way beyond anyone on any of these boards-conspiracy or no
>> >conspiracy...so It'll be interesting to see what he says...not that
>> >evidence means much of anything to either conspiracists or lone nutters
>> >anymore..people will believe what they believe irregardless...laz
>>
>> True... the kooks refuse to look at the evidence anymore...
>
>I know real CTers like me want to, but LNers like you won't ever cite
>it or discuss it!


Then why do you run when I provably do? Series such as the "45 Questions", or
the "Provable Lies of the WC?"


>YOU have made these claims and to this day you have
>offered NO supporting evidence!

You're too yellow to produce my actual quotes.

<Walt paranoia snipped>

robcap...@netscape.com

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May 12, 2010, 11:32:15 AM5/12/10
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On May 12, 10:11 am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <d5df94b4-cf4e-45bb-8f98-5a566948f...@o8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,

> robcap...@netscape.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >On May 12, 9:35=A0am, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> >> In article <3862-4BEA48D1-1...@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net>,
> >> lazuli...@webtv.net says...
>
> >> >Typically, people shoot off their mouths without knowng anything about
> >> >the book-neither do I....but I'm not passing judgement...what kind of
> >> >answer is that Ben?
>
> >> Come on, do I have to point out irony?
>
> >> LNT'er kooks have built up the "Forensic Pathologist" to be the only cred=
> >ential
> >> that means anything to the JFK case. You know that!
>
> >Ben admits he is a LNer again
>
> How silly! No such thing happened.

When YOU are shown to do the SAME THING you accuse LNers of doing, I
think it is implied you are admitting it.

> Am I the *only* CT'er to point out the idiocy of the "Forensic Pathologist"
> fixation that LNT'ers have?

YOU had the same *fixation* in your discussions with me. Why is that
Ben?


> >as he told me doctors are NOT ballistic
> >experts
>
> They aren't nuclear physicist's either. Nor are they certified as race car
> drivers... indeed, the list of things that they aren't greatly exceed what they
> *are*.

Yet the doctors at PH handled hundreds of gunshot patients a year.
Hmmm. Now did they work on nuclear fusion too? I doubt it so your
analogy is ludicrous! Were they race car drivers? Who knows, and when
did this come into play on 11/22/63?? Again, your analogy is ludicrous
and insulting liar.

YOU lied about a basic part of medicine and the treatment gunshot
wounds just like ALL LNERS DO!


> >(only FP's have formal ballistics training), thus they can't
> >even properly place back wounds!
>
> Only a nutcase like you would believe such a silly thing...

Yet YOUR words say this!

LOL!!

It clearly says, "Tell us Rob - WHICH BALLISTICS EXPERT PUT THE BACK
WOUND AT T-3?"

Why is that LNer?


> >=93Tell us, Rob - which ballistics expert put the back wound at T-3?
>
> >For surely, if you're willing to accept the ballistics "expertise" of
> >a doctor, you must certainly have a ballistics expert on call to show
> >you where the back wound hit.=94 (Ben Holmes =96 5/24/09)
>
> Yep... still true.

It was never true because it was NOT even the topic, and the claim you
are making is a lie and you would show this when you were bragging to
Laz 7 months later! YOU showed how a back wound could easily be
placed by using the veterbae of the spine. NO ballistics expertise is
needed to do that liar!


> >He has said even FP's are "not ballistic experts" and this is an out
> >and out lie!
>
> Still true...

Thanks for admitting that it is an OUT AND OUT LIE!

> >"Forensic Pathologists are not "ballistics experts" either... however,
> >they do have training in ballistics and it's application to
> >wounds." (Ben Holmes=976/6/09)
>
> So self-evidently correct, that only a moron thinks otherwise.

Then I guess the experts who wrote this are "morons", huh?

Quote on

BULLET WOUNDS follow the principles of physics. The greater the energy
of the missile at the moment of impact, the greater the tissue
destruction. The striking energy of a projectile is the product of its
mass or weight multiplied by the square of its velocity. Because it is
squared, velocity is the most important factor, not the size or
caliber of the bullet. High-impact, or magnum, rounds have greater
destructive power to cause shock leading to death. Hollow points, or
other fragmenting ammo are designed to spread out and hit vital
organs. From a death standpoint, however, high-powered rifles kill
much faster than either handguns or shotguns.

****Many forensic pathologists are also experts at firearms
identification and the science of ballistics.****

http://www.apsu.edu/oconnort/3210/3210lect02b.htm

Quote off

Liar, aren't you?


> >They go beyond just the interest of wounds as they are the ones that
> >match or ID a murder weapon!
>
> No they don't. Even the WC, for example, refused to try to ID murder weapons by
> the testimony of the doctors in this case.

Liar, aren't you?? What is this??

Mr. McCLOY - From your examination of Exhibit 399, can you identify
the caliber of that bullet?

Colonel FINCK - The caliber of this bullet, if I could measure it, but
I cannot touch it.

The CHAIRMAN - We can.

Colonel FINCK - ***I would say it is consistent with a 6.5 mm.***

Mr. McCLOY - ***Are you familiar with the Mannlicher 6.5 rifle?***

Colonel FINCK - I am familiar with the caliber 6.5. I can draw the
calibers for you on the blackboard. (Dr. Pierre Finck, Vol. II, p.
382)


>Tell us moron, who did the WC use to
> try to demonstrate that the rifle or pistol were the murder weapons? NAME THEM
> AND THEN LIST THEIR MEDICAL DEGREE!!

Just did liar, and Finck was a FP! Why did you did you lie and claim
the WC did NOT try and get a doctor to say the alleged murder weapon
was used??

Why are you always defending and lying for the WC's cause?

> But you can't. Once again, you're making unsupportable and stupid assertions.

NO, you are caught lying again! YOU don't even know the evidence you
support!

LOL!!

> With no cite.

I never said the folks at PH ever claimed what type of rifle was used,
that was YOU! I merely said they listed a HIGH VELOCITY BULLET as the
COD.


> >ALL Medical Examiners are FP's! Learning
> >about firearms is part of their training!
>
> Yep... I suspect so...

Liar, aren't you? YOU just said they were not trained in anything
beyond wound analysis!


> >Ben has argued the same thing he is blaming LNers for, thus he is a
> >LNer too!
>
> And yet, you can't seem to quote any such thing. Unless, of course, you're
> referring to simple facts like the date of JFK's assassination...

Liar, aren't you? I quote your lies for the WC's benefit EVERYDAY!


> >> >His credentials are extremely impressive, and I'm
> >> >sure way beyond anyone on any of these boards-conspiracy or no
> >> >conspiracy...so It'll be interesting to see what he says...not that
> >> >evidence means much of anything to either conspiracists or lone nutters
> >> >anymore..people will believe what they believe irregardless...laz
>
> >> True... the kooks refuse to look at the evidence anymore...
>
> >I know real CTers like me want to, but LNers like you won't ever cite
> >it or discuss it!
>
> Then why do you run when I provably do?

Whe do you "prove anything?" Never is the correct answer. Even here
he had to delete his claims.

> Series such as the "45 Questions", or
> the "Provable Lies of the WC?"

I am a CTer, I find no need to defend the WC like YOU do!

> >YOU have made these claims and to this day you have
> >offered NO supporting evidence!
>
> You're too yellow to produce my actual quotes.

LOL!! I produce them everyday liar.

> <Walt paranoia snipped>

We see in the new series "A Challenge To Ben" that he is 0-6 in his
lie that I am suffering from "Walt Paranoia" since Walt NEVER MADE
THOSE CLAIMS TO ME!

NOW he is up to his old tricks again and blaming Walt for things he
said!

Why does Walt allow this?? That is the questoin I want answered!

Ben Holmes

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>> >I have said he isn't C-in-C in peacetime,
>>
>> Yep... that's PRECISELY the lie you told.
>
>Either a typo or an edit job, as I have said he is C-in-C in
>peacetime.

LIAR!!!


Here is your *ORIGINAL* assertion again:

"And why do we keep calling Bush Jr. and Obama "Commander in Chiefs" when NO war
is declared??? They ONLY become CIC's when a war is declared by Congress!"


Why lie, stupid? I'll simply quote your words...

lazu...@webtv.net

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May 12, 2010, 4:25:19 PM5/12/10
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It's good to have someone on our side that isn't selling used car parts
from a trailer in his backyard...Laz

lazu...@webtv.net

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May 12, 2010, 4:28:29 PM5/12/10
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MaybeThe 2 most overrated things in this country are credentials and
intellect-we have plenty of near genius's on Wall St. with no
conscience, and as far as credentials-look at Albert Gonzales, Eric
Holder, George W. Bush, LBJ...guys you wouldn't even hire to mow your
lawn...laz

Sam McClung

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it would sure be fun putting a little water in the gasoline and watch each
of them try to start the mower though, especially the guy who stammer
rapped, and could you imagine lyndon cussing the lawnmower?

Ben Holmes

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May 12, 2010, 8:53:52 PM5/12/10
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In article <29259-4BE...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
lazu...@webtv.net says...

I can't recall who said it, but it was said by someone that he'd rather have the
first 1,000 people listed in the Boston telephone book running the government
than the faculty of Harvard.

Something to that effect.

Even the "smartest" people come to the table with inbuilt biases that affect the
way they view everything.

(By the way, *I'd* hire President Bush to mow my lawn... think of the bragging
rights I'd have!! A real -conversation stopper- to use at the next church
gathering...)

Ben Holmes

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May 12, 2010, 9:01:15 PM5/12/10
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>It's good to have someone on our side that isn't selling used car parts
>from a trailer in his backyard...Laz

There's a lot of people, intelligent people, on our side... keep in mind that
polls put a belief in conspiracy at up to 90% of Americans... I'd find it hard
to believe that the intelligentsia, media, CIA, and misc. "Educational" types
are just 10% of our population.

But it really doesn't matter what proven intelligence or credentials that you
have... look at the way the LNT'er contingent blasts Dr. Mantik... labeling him
a "kook" and worse...

And if any well-credentialed "Forensic Pathologist" stepped up to the plate,
he'd be labeled a kook as well.

lazu...@webtv.net

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May 13, 2010, 4:15:27 AM5/13/10
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That's a funny visual image Sam...I could just as easily mention
Clinton..they all are pretty interchangeable it seems... turn your back
on these guys for 15 minutes and they've stolen yer tools..or started a
fire or something...laz

lazu...@webtv.net

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May 13, 2010, 4:35:39 AM5/13/10
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I wonder if Chambers is working with Don Thomas? From the brief
description on Amazon it looks like they might have some of the same
views...Thomas is also working on a book Hear No Evil last I heard...Laz

lazu...@webtv.net

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May 13, 2010, 4:32:37 AM5/13/10
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Ben-just being silly, ya have to do that or go bananas in all this...as
far as Mantik..hey, anybody that would call a Phd like him, and a real
gentleman to boot a kook, knows nothing about the case, and should be
made to sleep in the same bed with Specter...laz

Sam McClung

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> it would sure be fun putting a little water in the gasoline and watch each
> of them try to start the mower though, especially the


> guy who stammer rapped,

"we we don't get fueled again, fueled again, du duh duh daddy, do we, do we,
duh duh daddy?"

> and could you imagine lyndon cussing the lawnmower?

"I want that gd lawnmower going to the bottom of the gd ocean!"

robcap...@netscape.com

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May 13, 2010, 9:50:57 AM5/13/10
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On May 12, 3:09 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> >> >I have said he isn't C-in-C in peacetime,
>
> >> Yep... that's PRECISELY the lie you told.
>
> >Either a typo or an edit job, as I have said he is C-in-C in
> >peacetime.
>
> LIAR!!!
>
> Here is your *ORIGINAL* assertion again:
>
> "And why do we keep calling Bush Jr. and Obama "Commander in Chiefs" when NO war
> is declared??? They ONLY become CIC's when a war is declared by Congress!"
>
> Why lie, stupid? I'll simply quote your words...

I just spent a lot of time resonding to his lies and showed once again
he lied, and what does he do?? He censors it ALL OUT AND REVERTS TO
ANOTHER TOPIC!

Why did you lie about FP's not being ballistic experts Ben?

Why did you lie and claim the WC did NOT call *ANY* doctor to testify
that ID'd the alleged murder weapon??

Why all the censoring and lying Ben?? Why all the support for the WC
IF you are a CTer as you claim?

robcap...@netscape.com

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May 13, 2010, 9:53:08 AM5/13/10
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On May 12, 8:53 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <29259-4BEB0F6D-1...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
> lazuli...@webtv.net says...

>
>
>
> >MaybeThe 2 most overrated things in this country are credentials and
> >intellect-we have plenty of near genius's on Wall St. with no
> >conscience, and as far as credentials-look at Albert Gonzales, Eric
> >Holder, George W. Bush, LBJ...guys you wouldn't even hire to mow your
> >lawn...laz
>
> I can't recall who said it, but it was said by someone that he'd rather have the
> first 1,000 people listed in the Boston telephone book running the government
> than the faculty of Harvard.
>
> Something to that effect.
>
> Even the "smartest" people come to the table with inbuilt biases that affect the
> way they view everything.
>
> (By the way, *I'd* hire President Bush to mow my lawn... think of the bragging
> rights I'd have!! A real -conversation stopper- to use at the next church
> gathering...)

I hear those SATANIC church gatherings are a blast! Isn't April/May
high sacrifice time in YOUR religion?

robcap...@netscape.com

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May 13, 2010, 9:54:09 AM5/13/10
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On May 12, 9:01 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <29259-4BEB0EAF-1...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
> lazuli...@webtv.net says...

>
>
>
> >It's good to have someone on our side that isn't selling used car parts
> >from a trailer in his backyard...Laz
>
> There's a lot of people, intelligent people, on our side... keep in mind that
> polls put a belief in conspiracy at up to 90% of Americans... I'd find it hard
> to believe that the intelligentsia, media, CIA, and misc. "Educational" types
> are just 10% of our population.
>
> But it really doesn't matter what proven intelligence or credentials that you
> have... look at the way the LNT'er contingent blasts Dr. Mantik... labeling him
> a "kook" and worse...
>
> And if any well-credentialed "Forensic Pathologist" stepped up to the plate,
> he'd be labeled a kook as well.

He sure would and the person calling him one would be YOU in all
liklihood as you love the word "kook" don't you LNer?

Ben Holmes

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May 13, 2010, 10:00:33 AM5/13/10
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In article <7714ba43-5758-44a6...@l28g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
robcap...@netscape.com says...

>
>On May 12, 3:09=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> >> >I have said he isn't C-in-C in peacetime,
>>
>> >> Yep... that's PRECISELY the lie you told.
>>
>> >Either a typo or an edit job, as I have said he is C-in-C in
>> >peacetime.
>>
>> LIAR!!!
>>
>> Here is your *ORIGINAL* assertion again:
>>
>> "And why do we keep calling Bush Jr. and Obama "Commander in Chiefs" when=
> NO war
>> is declared??? They ONLY become CIC's when a war is declared by Congress!=

>"
>>
>> Why lie, stupid? I'll simply quote your words...
>
>I just spent a lot of time resonding


Sorry stupid, you can't follow the charter, so I simply ignore it.


So tell us, is the President the "Commander in Chief" during peacetime? Lurkers
wanna know... you've said both that he is, and that he isn't.

Which one is the truth?

Ben Holmes

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May 13, 2010, 10:02:32 AM5/13/10
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In article <5b5214e5-6ae1-45cc...@h39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
robcap...@netscape.com says...

>
>On May 12, 8:53=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <29259-4BEB0F6D-1...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
>> lazuli...@webtv.net says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >MaybeThe 2 most overrated things in this country are credentials and
>> >intellect-we have plenty of near genius's on Wall St. with no
>> >conscience, and as far as credentials-look at Albert Gonzales, Eric
>> >Holder, George W. Bush, LBJ...guys you wouldn't even hire to mow your
>> >lawn...laz
>>
>> I can't recall who said it, but it was said by someone that he'd rather h=
>ave the
>> first 1,000 people listed in the Boston telephone book running the govern=

>ment
>> than the faculty of Harvard.
>>
>> Something to that effect.
>>
>> Even the "smartest" people come to the table with inbuilt biases that aff=

>ect the
>> way they view everything.
>>
>> (By the way, *I'd* hire President Bush to mow my lawn... think of the bra=

>gging
>> rights I'd have!! A real -conversation stopper- to use at the next church
>> gathering...)
>
>I hear those SATANIC church gatherings are a blast! Isn't April/May
>high sacrifice time in YOUR religion?

For someone who complains about changing topics, it seems to come quite
naturally to you. Can you spell "hypocrite?"

Ben Holmes

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May 13, 2010, 10:03:30 AM5/13/10
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In article <f1d21c0b-b3ba-4e1d...@b7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
robcap...@netscape.com says...

>
>On May 12, 9:01=A0pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
>> In article <29259-4BEB0EAF-1...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
>> lazuli...@webtv.net says...
>>
>>
>>
>> >It's good to have someone on our side that isn't selling used car parts
>> >from a trailer in his backyard...Laz
>>
>> There's a lot of people, intelligent people, on our side... keep in mind =
>that
>> polls put a belief in conspiracy at up to 90% of Americans... I'd find it=
> hard
>> to believe that the intelligentsia, media, CIA, and misc. "Educational" t=

>ypes
>> are just 10% of our population.
>>
>> But it really doesn't matter what proven intelligence or credentials that=
> you
>> have... look at the way the LNT'er contingent blasts Dr. Mantik... labeli=

>ng him
>> a "kook" and worse...
>>
>> And if any well-credentialed "Forensic Pathologist" stepped up to the pla=

>te,
>> he'd be labeled a kook as well.
>
>He sure would and the person calling him one would be YOU in all
>liklihood as you love the word "kook" don't you LNer?

Provably false. The moron can't point to any such example.

Coondog

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May 13, 2010, 11:45:43 AM5/13/10
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On May 11, 1:29 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "Upcoming Book: "Head Shot: The Science Behind The JFK Assassination" By G. Paul Chambers, a top scientist who says "the lone gunman theory is frankly impossible"." <<<
>
> Oh, good! Another CTer who plans on ignoring all the evidence (while
> making up his own, no doubt). That makes about 550 authors who have
> elected to do that now. Lovely trend indeed, isn't it?
>
> http://Amazon.com/Head_Shot/dp/161614209X
>
> Descriptive Blurb:
>
> After more than four decades and scores of books, documentaries, and
> films on the subject, what more can be said about the assassination of
> President John F. Kennedy? A great deal, according to physicist and
> ballistics expert Dr. G. Paul Chambers.
>
> In this provocative, rigorously researched book, Chambers presents
> evidence and compelling arguments that will make you rethink the
> entire sequence of terrible events on that traumatic day in Dallas.
> Drawing on his fifteen years experience as an experimental physicist
> for the US Navy, Chambers demonstrates that the commonly accepted view
> of the assassination is fundamentally flawed from a scientific
> perspective. The physics behind lone-gunmen theories is not only
> wrong, says Chambers, but frankly impossible.

Since the basic laws of physics that drives the basics of ballistics
hasn’t changed in the last fifty years I don’t expect to see much new
here. The physics model today for the ballistics of the assassination
is the same as they were fifty years ago. Why is this fellow so late?

I’d buy the book just to find out what the second weapon was.
Something erotic I hope.

Bill Clarke

>
> Chambers devotes separate chapters to the Warren Commission,
> challenges to the single-bullet theory, the witnesses, how science
> arrives at the truth, the medical and acoustic evidence, the Zapruder
> film, and convincing evidence for at least a second rifleman in Dealey
> Plaza.
>
> "Head Shot" is the first book to: Identify the second murder weapon;
> Prove the locations of the assassins; Demonstrate multiple shooters
> with scientific certainty.
>
> Chambers concludes with a persuasive chapter on why this horrible
> event, now almost half a century old, should still matter to us today.
> For anyone seeking a fresh understanding of the JFK assassination,
> "Head Shot" is an indispensable book.
>
> Book Stats:
>
> Hardcover: 240 pages
> Publisher: Prometheus Books
> Release Date: September 7, 2010
> Language: English
> ISBN-10: 161614209X

Coondog

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May 13, 2010, 12:03:45 PM5/13/10
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How very strange that you include the most liberal and progressive
president we have had since FDR into a group of white collar thugs
that don’t seem to understand the importance of our constitution and
bill of rights. LBJ sticks out like a sore thumb in this group.
Perhaps I’m missing something here so please explain.

Bill Clarke

Coondog

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May 13, 2010, 12:09:12 PM5/13/10
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On May 13, 6:53 am, "robcap...@netscape.com" <robcap...@netscape.com>
wrote:
> high sacrifice time in YOUR religion?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I believe, young Cappie, that they handle the snakes in May. April
being the month of sacrifice of the young vestal virgins.
Or that is what I’ve been told.
Bill Clarke

aggie

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May 13, 2010, 5:29:03 PM5/13/10
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Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> There's a lot of people, intelligent people, on our side... keep in mind
> that polls put a belief in conspiracy at up to 90% of Americans...

Just one more proof of Sturgeon's Law.

Coondog

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May 14, 2010, 12:05:00 AM5/14/10
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On May 12, 5:53 pm, Ben Holmes <ad...@burningknife.com> wrote:
> In article <29259-4BEB0F6D-1...@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
> lazuli...@webtv.net says...

>
>
>
> >MaybeThe 2 most overrated things in this country are credentials and
> >intellect-we have plenty of near genius's on Wall St. with no
> >conscience, and as far as credentials-look at Albert Gonzales, Eric
> >Holder, George W. Bush, LBJ...guys you wouldn't even hire to mow your
> >lawn...laz
>
> I can't recall who said it, but it was said by someone that he'd rather have the
> first 1,000 people listed in the Boston telephone book running the government
> than the faculty of Harvard.
>
> Something to that effect.
>
> Even the "smartest" people come to the table with inbuilt biases that affect the
> way they view everything.

One thousand people from BOSTON or the Harvard faculty running the
country.

Boy, that is a tough one. A very close call.

I think we have no better example of how brilliant men can be terribly
wrong as with McNamara and his whiz kids.

Bill Clarke

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