Cosmic Clue to the Kennedy Assassination
paul martin hennessey
sandr...@my-deja.com
exercised. If you do that, it will become absolutely clear that
he was a coconspirator of the Kennedy asassination cover up.
Jim Garrison lived by the precept that the best way to conceal the
truth is to control it, and he did an incredible job. Like somebody
who claims that such and such was murdered but points the finger
at somebody who was clearly not responsible, Jim Garrison was an
unrivalled fraud artist:
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
sandr...@my-deja.com
Steve
>
> For a cosmic clue that could crack the case wide open go to
> http://www.flash.net/hw00065.htm
>
> "86"
...and this is what you get:)
File Not Found
The requested URL /hw00065.htm was not found on this server.
nice one Paul
sara...@my-deja.com
"paul martin hennessey" <pm...@flash.net> wrote:
> For a cosmic clue that could crack the case wide open go to
> http://www.flash.net/hw00065.htm
>
> "86"
>
but they seam to be hell bent on blaming the assassination on Castro:
a real clue is to study the abuse of power that Jim Garrison exercised.
If you do that, it will become absolutely clear that
he was a
coconspirator of the Kennedy asassination cover up.
Jim Garrison lived
by the precept that the best way to conceal the
truth is to control it,
and he did an incredible job. Like somebody
who claims that such and
such was murdered but points the finger
at somebody who was clearly not
responsible, Jim Garrison was an
unrivalled fraud artist:
as she makes perfectly clear, Castro did not manufacture the fraudulent
conclusion that Oswald acted alone, that was the intent of the
Warren Commission and Johnson and Hoover were directly responsible for
that.
Which raises the question:
Is alt.kennedy.assassination concerned with exposing the truth or
are they more concerned with covering it up.
Their main premise is that all conspiracy theories carry the same
weight, which has the effect of obscurring the truth forever. Is
that what they intend?
DAERON
> a real clue is to study the abuse of power that Jim Garrison exercised.
What 'abuse of power'?
> If you do that, it will become absolutely clear that
> he was a
> coconspirator of the Kennedy asassination cover up.
Read my lips: B-U-N-K. (And, after you do that - try to read the REAL
FAQ, Part 2B).
> Jim Garrison lived
> by the precept that the best way to conceal the
> truth is to control it,
> and he did an incredible job. Like somebody
> who claims that such and
> such was murdered but points the finger
> at somebody who was clearly not
> responsible,
Who? Clay Shaw? He was at least indirectly responsible/. See 'The REAL
FAQ', and also do some reading of the sources referenced therein. If you
see the FAQ, you'll learn that the jury in New Orleans (where I was at
the time) had NO problem concluding there WAS a conspiracy. (And it was
quite independent of Garrison). Their problem was that they felt
Garrison had not adequately tied Shaw into it. Not esepcially mystifying
considering the trial judge (Haggerty) tossed out the key evidence - of
Shaw's pseudonym 'Clay Bertrand'. So, Garrison was left with his dick
blowing in the wind.
> Jim Garrison was an
> unrivalled fraud artist:
Garrison was a dedicated, passionate seeker of truth, perhaps a bit too
passionate, but consumed by the right motivations. A man who suffered
terribly (in New Orleans) in the wake of the trial. After which the
press came out with all manner of insidious attacks and calumny (which I
see you've picked up)
> as she makes perfectly clear, Castro did not manufacture the fraudulent
> conclusion that Oswald acted alone, that was the intent of the
> Warren Commission and Johnson and Hoover were directly responsible for
> that.
At least you've got something basically correct.
> Which raises the question:
>
> Is alt.kennedy.assassination concerned with exposing the truth or
> are they more concerned with covering it up.
They are there to try to 'portray' an objective pose. I note this 'alter
group' really began after the FAQ for this ng was developed and
repeatedly re-posted. That FAQ, which I wrote btw, emphasized at all
times the theme of *conspiracy* for a *conspiracy newsgroup* - hence
the appellation REAL Faq (to distinguish it from an 'un-real' one by a
John Locke, which re-cycled the official dogmas).
It is my suspicion the counter ng started by *de-emphasizing* the
conspiracy aspect, hence the (seemingly) neutral nomenclature:
'alt.jfk.assassination'
nicely 'disinfecting' all conspiracy references, allusions.
And, by extension, removes any larger obligation to discuss such, or
take a conspiracy angle (outside of the misbegotten 'Castroite' nonsense
- which takes the heat off the real perps) the least bit seriously.
> Their main premise is that all conspiracy theories carry the same
> weight, which has the effect of obscurring the truth forever. Is
> that what they intend?
of course, and that's why they chose their neutral name. To try to chase
people back into the dogmatized herd that buy the basics (at least)of
the official position.
Which all critical thinkers know to be fundamental tommyrot and tripe.
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
And try not to spit on the 'good guys' in the process.
--
"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save
the few who are rich."
- John Fitzgerald Kennedy, from his Inaugural speech, January 20, 1961.
David Wimp
sara...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <IzZh3.26$1c7...@news.flash.net>,
> "paul martin hennessey" <pm...@flash.net> wrote:
> > For a cosmic clue that could crack the case wide open go to
> > http://www.flash.net/hw00065.htm
> >
> > "86"
> >
> Sandra keeps posting this to the newsgroup alt.kennedy.assassination,
> but they seam to be hell bent on blaming the assassination on Castro:
Very occasionally I see somebody blame it on Castro, but there surely is
nothing like a consensus. This is not even a popular theory here as far I
can tell.
>
>
> a real clue is to study the abuse of power that Jim Garrison exercised.
> If you do that, it will become absolutely clear that
> he was a
> coconspirator of the Kennedy asassination cover up.
Well, then he was a complete idiot. Why stir up a controversy in a case
which has been officially solved as the work on a solitary individual just
to say that there was a conspiracy but go after the wrong conspirators? I
don't see how this could possibly help the actual conspirators, whoever
they were. Overturning the lone nut conclusion could have only been
detrimental to them.
....
--
Dave
Define thine enemy and speak for him!
sandr...@my-deja.com
"paul martin hennessey" <pm...@flash.net> wrote:
> For a cosmic clue that could crack the case wide open go to
> http://www.flash.net/hw00065.htm
>
> "86"
>
exercised. If you do that, it will become absolutely clear that
he was a coconspirator of the Kennedy asassination cover up.
truth is to control it, and he did an incredible job. Like somebody
who claims that such and such was murdered but points the finger
unrivalled fraud artist. Like Gerald Posner, Jim Garrison befriended
Kennedy assassination critics, not because he had any interest in
exposing the truth, but because it was his job to bury the truth.
If the Kennedy assassination is a mystery, it is merely because
the resources devoted to covering up the truth have always outpaced
individual efforts to expose it.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
sandr...@my-deja.com
Steve <sba...@nospam.netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:
> paul martin hennessey wrote:
> >
> > For a cosmic clue that could crack the case wide open go to
> > http://www.flash.net/hw00065.htm
> >
> > "86"
>
>
> File Not Found
>
> The requested URL /hw00065.htm was not found on this server.
>
> nice one Paul
DAERON
>
> If the Kennedy assassination is a mystery, it is merely because
> the resources devoted to covering up the truth have always outpaced
> individual efforts to expose it.
Of course, b/c black operatives, psy ops-info warriors, and disinfo
assets have far greater resources to do their obstructive nastywork than
theorists have to get the bottom line truth. Hell, we're still waiting
for all the files to be released (many are under wraps until 2017).
But that Garrison is part of this network, or had any major role to
play, is a serious claim that requires serious corroboration. Up to now,
we've not seen it.
sandr...@my-deja.com
Times is not interested in the truth. There are a number of early
books; "Garrison: A Study in the Abuse of Power" and "American
Grotesque" to name two, which clearly prove that Jim Garrison
routinely exercised an abuse of power -he makes Ken Starr look
like a boyscout.
In particular, when Kennedy Assassination critics exposed the
absurdity of the "single bullet theory", Jim Garrison
"put the squeeze" on every single witness who knew Oswald. Put the
squeeze means that he treated witnesses the way Starr treated Susan
McDougal -tell the truth and I'll prosecute you for perjury, lie and
receive a get out of jail free card. Garrison was obviously determined
to oblitherate every trace of evidence which proved that Oswald was a
phony defector, and any relevant eyewitness who could not be
controlled through the manipulation of the legal system was murdered.
Garrison's ruthlessness, power and obsession is perhaps manifested by
the fact David Ferrie conveniently died while he was under his
protective custody. David Ferrie was violently anti-Communist, and
if Oswald was indeed a Communist, Ferrie was the sort who would
strangle him with his bear hands. Study the history of the early Jim
Garrison, and there is absolutely no question about the fact that
he is a Kennedy assassination conspiracy cover up operative. And boy,
did he ever do a hell of a job -ask Oliver Stone.
DAERON
> If you are not aware of that, it is because CNN and the New York
> Times is not interested in the truth.
Say what? I wouldn't rely on those two 'organs' anyway. TIME, because it
has a prior history of CIA (pro-Luce) links. CNN, for 'retracting' the
Tailwind story, which looked to be well-documented, but they couldn't
cope with the overwhelming (and anticipated) 'blowback' from the
miltiary-industrial-complex.
>There are a number of early
> books; "Garrison: A Study in the Abuse of Power" and "American
> Grotesque" to name two,
You call this a cite? Don't make me laugh. WHO are the publishers? Years
published? AUTHORS?
> which clearly prove that Jim Garrison
> routinely exercised an abuse of power
'Proof' on what basis? Hearsay? Present the full cites, if you can,
that unambiguously discloses this 'proof'.
> he makes Ken Starr look
> like a boyscout.
ROTFL! I seriously doubt it.
> In particular, when Kennedy Assassination critics exposed the
> absurdity of the "single bullet theory", Jim Garrison
> "put the squeeze" on every single witness who knew Oswald.
He merely wanted to make sure they'd finally 'fess up. After all, for
years he got the runaround by the likes of Ferrie, Sergio
Archacha-Smith and others.
> Garrison was obviously determined
> to oblitherate every trace of evidence which proved that Oswald was a
> phony defector,
Oh really? Then WHY is Garrison OPENLY writing about it, in his book 'On
The Trail of the Assassins'(Warner Books, 1988) pp. 55-59 ?
Maybe you're so obsessed with villifying Garrison, by *second hand*
sources, that you never bothered to check Garrison's original sources?
Eh? What say?
> and any relevant eyewitness who could not be
> controlled through the manipulation of the legal system was murdered.
More second hand villification. How about reading Garrison's own book
before hanging him out to dry?
> Garrison's ruthlessness, power and obsession is perhaps manifested by
> the fact David Ferrie conveniently died while he was under his
> protective custody.
Oswald and Ruby both died under the custody of the Dallas Police/. So
what? It merely discloses the power and determination of the architects
to close any 'loose ends' when they have to. And, if you're interested
in more on Ferrie's death, from the 'horse's mouth' rather than 'second
hand sources' with an evident axe to grind, check out Chapter 11 of
Garrison's (above-referenced ) book.
> David Ferrie was violently anti-Communist, and
> if Oswald was indeed a Communist, Ferrie was the sort who would
> strangle him with his bear hands.
Oswald wasn't a 'communist'. He was a Marxist (at least
self-proclaimed). There is a difference.
> Study the history of the early Jim
> Garrison, and there is absolutely no question about the fact that
> he is a Kennedy assassination conspiracy cover up operative. And boy,
> did he ever do a hell of a job -ask Oliver Stone.
Just like these 2nd hand 'sources' of yours have done a helluva job on
Garrison's reputation eh? Like the other iconclasts, who weren't
satisfied with JFK being assassinated, they had to perform a post-mortem
character assassination on him as well.
sara...@my-deja.com
> > For a cosmic clue that could crack the case wide open go to
> > http://www.flash.net/hw00065.htm
> >
> > "86"
> >
> exercised. If you do that, it will become absolutely clear that
> he was a coconspirator of the Kennedy asassination cover up.
> Jim Garrison lived by the precept that the best way to conceal the
> truth is to control it, and he did an incredible job. Like somebody
> who claims that such and such was murdered but points the finger
> at somebody who was clearly not responsible, Jim Garrison was an
> unrivalled fraud artist. Like Gerald Posner, Jim Garrison befriended
> Kennedy assassination critics, not because he had any interest in
> exposing the truth, but because it was his job to bury the truth.
> the resources devoted to covering up the truth have always outpaced
> individual efforts to expose it.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
We are forever astounded at the ignorance that most people have,
regarding the Kennedy assassination. Take the ignorance which surrounds
Jim Garrison. Jim Garrison was a corrupt, New Orleans DA who gave the
Mafia free reign in New Orleans. His tactic was very simple. By busting
low level criminals, Jim Garrison gave the Marcello Mafia network the
opportunity to dominate the rackets. At the same time, the punks that he
put behind bars, created the impression that he was an aggressive,
competent, law enforcement official. A former G-man, Jim Garrison was
forever loyal to tactics that J. Edgar Hoover practised on the national
level. Like Jim Garrison, J. Edgar Hoover was a Mafia asset -they both
used the Mafia to suit their own, peculiar interests. Hoover used the
Mafia to target liberals or Communists -he did not distinguish the
difference, and Garrison always followed the track that Hoover laid.
In the late sixties, since Kennedy assassination critics chipped away at
the absurdity of the "single bullet theory" to the point where two out
of three Americans did not believe that Oswald had acted alone, Jim
Garrison hogged all the attention by claiming that he knew exactly who
killed Kennedy. He claimed that he was about to expose every last
detail, down to every last assassin who was involved in the case. At the
same time, Jim Garrison "put the squeeze" on every single witness who
knew Oswald. Put the squeeze means that he treated witnesses the way
Starr treated Susan McDougal -tell the truth and I'll prosecute you for
perjury, lie and receive a get out of jail free card. Garrison was
obviously determined to oblitherate every trace of evidence which proved
that Oswald was a phony defector, and any relevant eyewitness who could
not be controlled through the manipulation of the legal system, was
murdered. Garrison's ruthlessness, power and obsession is perhaps
manifested by the fact David Ferrie conveniently died while he was under
his protective custody. David Ferrie was violently anti-Communist, and
if Oswald was indeed a Communist, Ferrie was the sort who would strangle
him with his bear hands.
If one carefully studies the abuse of power that Jim Garrison exercised,
it is not possible to avoid the conclusion that he was a brilliant
disinformation agent who manipulated Kennedy assassination evidence. And
he did it, not because he wanted to expose the truth, but because the
astoundig frivolity of Warren Report conclusions were exposed. If you
want to get to the bottom of a huge fraud, timing is everything:
sara...@my-deja.com
DAERON <sta...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> sandr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > the resources devoted to covering up the truth have always outpaced
> > individual efforts to expose it.
>
> assets have far greater resources to do their obstructive nastywork
than
> theorists have to get the bottom line truth. Hell, we're still waiting
> for all the files to be released (many are under wraps until 2017).
>
> But that Garrison is part of this network, or had any major role to
> play, is a serious claim that requires serious corroboration. Up to
now,
> we've not seen it.
> "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save
> the few who are rich."
>
> - John Fitzgerald Kennedy, from his Inaugural speech, January 20,
1961.
>
sandr...@my-deja.com
DAERON <sta...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> sandr...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > If the Kennedy assassination is a mystery, it is merely because
> > the resources devoted to covering up the truth have always outpaced
> > individual efforts to expose it.
>
> Of course, b/c black operatives, psy ops-info warriors, and disinfo
> assets have far greater resources to do their obstructive nastywork
than
> theorists have to get the bottom line truth. Hell, we're still waiting
> for all the files to be released (many are under wraps until 2017).
>
> But that Garrison is part of this network, or had any major role to
> play, is a serious claim that requires serious corroboration. Up to
now,
> we've not seen it.
> --
> "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save
> the few who are rich."
>
> - John Fitzgerald Kennedy, from his Inaugural speech, January 20,
1961.
>
>
Kennedy assassination. Take the ignorance which surrounds Jim Garrison.
Mafia free reign in New Orleans. His tactic was very simple. By busting
network the opportunity to dominate the rackets. At the same time, the
punks that he put behind bars, created the impression that he was an
aggressive, competent, law enforcement official. A former G-man, Jim
Garrison was forever loyal to tactics that J. Edgar Hoover practised on
asset -they both used the Mafia to suit their own, peculiar interests.
Hoover used the Mafia to target liberals or Communists -he did not
distinguish the difference, and Garrison always followed the track that
Hoover laid.
By the late 1960's, Kennedy assassination critics had successfully
chipped chipped away at the absurdity of the "single bullet theory" to
the point where two out of three Americans did not believe that Oswald
had acted alone. Elevating the meaning of "if you can't beat them, join
them" to the height of absurdity, Jim Garrison burst upon the trail of
the assassination critics with the bold assertion that he knew exactly
who had murdered John F. Kennedy, and that it was only a matter of days
before he exposed the entire plot -down to naming every single assassin.
While Jim Garrison hogged all the attention of the media circus that he
deliberately created, he simultaneously "put the squeeze" on witnesses
who knew Oswald. In essence, he treated every Kennedy assassination
witness the way that Ken Starr treated witnesses like Susan McDougal -
tell the truth and I'll prosecute you for perjury, give me what I want
and receive a 'get out of jail free' card. In particular, Garrison
targeted witnesses who were in a position to expose the obvious fact
that Lee Harvey Oswald was not a Communist, and the only rationale
behind the fact that he had evidently defected to the Soviet Union was
that Oswald sought the sort of adventure that his fictional hero, James
Bond, scored in the movies. But this was not the movies, it was the
Cold War, and the effort to save the world, was waged in the shadows -
do not expect a textbook biography of Lee Harvey Oswald or anybody else
who engaged the battle to destroy Communism. Their lives have to be
reconstructed, the way a historian uncovers the unrecorded past -one
painstaking piece at a time.
Jim Garrison was a real piece of work -he makes Ken Starr look like a
boyscout. Jim Garrison used the Grand Jury to harass and intimidate
Oswald's acquaintances while witnesses who could not be controlled
through the manipulation of the legal system, were murdered. Garrison's
ruthlessness, power and obsession is perhaps manifested by the fact
David Ferrie conveniently died while he was under his protective
custody. Oswald and Ferrie were long time acquaintances who embraced
the shadowy world of every James Bond wanabe. But unlike Oswald who was
relatively mild mannered, David Ferrie was violently anti-Communist,
and if Oswald was indeed a Communist, as Hoover's propaganda machine
determined, Ferrie was the sort who would strangle him with his bear
hands.
If one carefully studies the abuse of power that Jim Garrison
exercised, it is not possible to avoid the conclusion that he was a
brilliant disinformation agent who manipulated Kennedy assassination
evidence. And he did it, not because he wanted to expose the truth, but
because the astoundig frivolity of Warren Report conclusions were
exposed. If you want to get to the bottom of a huge fraud, timing is
everything:
For anyone who is interested in getting to the bottom of this massive
fraud, John F. Kennedy was murdered because he planned to pull out of
the Vietnam war by 1965, and the Godfather of the plot to kill him was
the tightnit group: Lyndon Johnson, McGeorge Bundy, Dean Rusk, and
Robert McNamara, and they all exploited the power of their respective
offices to cover up the truth. J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon and
his Watergate machine and the Mafia were lower level, cover up
co-conspirators. The actual assassins were probably imported French
Mafia -the best and the brightest did not leave anything to chance,
and foreign assassins who were ushered in and out of the country were
untraceable. These are the only people who had the obsession, the means
and the opportunity, to murder the President of the united States, and
to cover it up.
sandr...@my-deja.com
Marylin Monroe was under lockstep surveillance. She hung around
a diverse crowd that included un-Americans like Arthur Miller, and
she could not even fart without blowing air in J. Edgar Hoover's
ear. Hoover used the Mafia to spy on Communists and Marylin Monroe's
entire house was bugged -audio and video. Incidentally, the guy who
bugged her house died in prison, to keep the rumor that her murder
was recorded, out of the realm f absolute proof. In retrospect
however, given all we know about her obvious, proveable murder
[even the first cop on the scene claims that she was murdered, this
is no fuzzy verdict] every act of cover up is a further piece of
evidence. In the final analysis, J. Edgar Hoover and his Mafia
cohorts are directly responsible for the murder of Marylin Monroe.
Motive:
Marylin Monroe also hung around with the likes of Johnny Roselli,
who was angry at Kennedys for giving the Mafia a hard time and who
bragged about "friends in high places" who were going to knock
Kennedy off. These assassination rumors invariably disturbed
Marylin Monroe, but her frantic attempt to warn the Kennedys, was
obviously thwarted. If there is one consistent element to the
Kennedy assassination it is this: anybody who knew too much was
murdered to keep the truth as obscure as possible. Johnny Roselli
certainly knew too much. In the late 1960's, Roselli cooperated
with the authorities to promote the stupid claim that Castro was
responsible for the Kennedy assassination. Roselli was too deep,
inside the cover up, and he had to be taken care of, before
his role was uncovered.
BACKGROUNDER:
witnesses like Susan McDougal -tell the truth and I'll prosecute
you for perjury, give me what I want and receive a 'get out of jail
free' card. In particular, Garrison targeted witnesses who were in
a position to expose the obvious fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was not
a Communist, and the only rationale behind the fact that he had
evidently defected to the Soviet Union was that Oswald sought the
sort of adventure that his fictional hero, James Bond, scored in the
movies. But this was not the movies, it was the Cold War, and
the effort to save the world, was waged in the shadows -do not expect
a textbook biography of Lee Harvey Oswald or anybody else who engaged
the battle to destroy Communism. Their lives have to be
reconstructed, the way a historian uncovers the unrecorded past
-one painstaking piece at a time.
Jim Garrison was a real piece of work -he makes Ken Starr look like
a boyscout. Jim Garrison used the Grand Jury to harass and intimidate
Oswald's acquaintances while witnesses who could not be controlled
through the manipulation of the legal system, were murdered.
Garrison's ruthlessness, power and obsession is perhaps manifested
by the fact David Ferrie conveniently died while he was under his
protective custody. Oswald and Ferrie were long time acquaintances
who embraced the shadowy world of every James Bond wannabe. But
unlike Oswald who was relatively mild mannered, David Ferrie was
violently anti-Communist, and if Oswald was indeed a Communist, as
Hoover's propaganda machine determined, Ferrie was the sort who
would strangle Oswald with his bear hands. Unfortunately for Ferrie,
reports that he had Oswald's library card in his possession placed
the spotlight where Garrison did not want it, so Ferrie conveniently
committed "suicide".
If one carefully studies the abuse of power that Jim Garrison
exercised, it is not possible to avoid the conclusion that he
was a brilliant disinformation agent who manipulated Kennedy
assassination evidence. And he did it, not because he wanted to
expose the truth, but because the astoundig frivolity of Warren
Report conclusions were exposed. If you want to get to the bottom
of a huge fraud, timing is everything.
For anyone who is interested in getting to the bottom of this
massive fraud, John F. Kennedy was murdered because he planned to
pull out of the Vietnam war by 1965, and the Godfather of the plot
to kill him was the tight knit group: Lyndon Johnson, McGeorge Bundy,
Dean Rusk, and Robert McNamara, and they all exploited the power of
their respective offices to cover up the truth. J. Edgar Hoover,
Richard Nixon and his Watergate machine and the Mafia were lower
level, cover up co-conspirators. The actual assassins were probably
imported French Mafia -the best and the brightest did not leave
anything to chance, and foreign assassins who were ushered in and
out of the country were untraceable. These are the only people who
had the obsession, the means and the opportunity, to murder the
President of the united States, and to cover it up. There is
absolutely no other conceivable possibility. In essence, you can
add detail, but you cannot subtract known facts -they have been
"explained away" far too long, to seriously entertain another denial.
If this sounds confusing, understand this. The Kennedy assassination
controversy has been dominated by cover up artists. If you haven't
spent 20 years uncovering the truth, you should be confused. But rest
assured that every single word in this e-mail, is verifiable, and
every single denial is shrouded in secrecy, deceipt and outright
fraud. This is the simple, unvarnished, indisputable truth.
sara...@my-deja.com
sandr...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> a real clue is to study the abuse of power that Jim Garrison
exercised.
> If you do that, it will become absolutely clear that
> he was a coconspirator of the Kennedy asassination cover up.
> Jim Garrison lived by the precept that the best way to conceal the
> truth is to control it, and he did an incredible job. Like somebody
> who claims that such and such was murdered but points the finger
> at somebody who was clearly not responsible, Jim Garrison was an
>
> http://welcome.to/thenews
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
Why doesn't George Bush tell us what he knows about Oswald?
He was also a Bay of Pigs veteran. By the way, what does he think
about the Kennedy disappearance? Talk to the media George.
sara...@my-deja.com
sandr...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
> a real clue is to study the abuse of power that Jim Garrison
exercised.
> If you do that, it will become absolutely clear that
> he was a coconspirator of the Kennedy asassination cover up.
> Jim Garrison lived by the precept that the best way to conceal the
> truth is to control it, and he did an incredible job. Like somebody
> who claims that such and such was murdered but points the finger
> at somebody who was clearly not responsible, Jim Garrison was an
> unrivalled fraud artist:
>
> http://welcome.to/thenews
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
Why doesn't George Bush tell us what he knows about Oswald?
He was also a Bay of Pigs veteran. By the way, what does he think
about the Kennedy disappearance? Talk to the media George.
Even your friend Scaife talked to the media.
David B Henschel
>In article <7maa9v$unt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> sandr...@my-deja.com
>Why doesn't George Bush tell us what he knows about Oswald?
>He was also a Bay of Pigs veteran. By the way, what does he think
>about the Kennedy disappearance? Talk to the media George.
How can you do something to a plane when it's grounded in New
Jersey so that it flies well from New Jersey to Massachusetts and
*then* goes down without you in it?
Or was Carolyn Bessette Kennedy involved in a plot against her
husband and sister? For that matter, something about Michael
Kennedy's death on the ski slope could be fishy. Sonny Bono?
Dave Reitzes
I don't know why the posters below used this particular subject header, but
nevertheless, it seems like a good opportunity to remind lurkers and newcomers
alike about some excellent resources on Jim Garrison and the New Orleans
connection to the assassination.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/garrison.htm
rogermi...@my-deja.com
rogermi...@my-deja.com
s2db...@atlas.vcu.edu (David B Henschel) wrote:
> sara...@my-deja.com writes:
>
> >In article <7maa9v$unt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > sandr...@my-deja.com
>
> >Why doesn't George Bush tell us what he knows about Oswald?
>
> >He was also a Bay of Pigs veteran. By the way, what does he think
> >about the Kennedy disappearance? Talk to the media George.
>
> How can you do something to a plane when it's grounded in New
> Jersey so that it flies well from New Jersey to Massachusetts and
> *then* goes down without you in it?
>
> Or was Carolyn Bessette Kennedy involved in a plot against her
> husband and sister? For that matter, something about Michael
> Kennedy's death on the ski slope could be fishy. Sonny Bono?
>
Are you one of the private investigators that the Bushs hire to cover
their tails?
rogermi...@my-deja.com
rogermi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <19990719040430...@ng-cm1.aol.com>,
> drei...@aol.com (Dave Reitzes) wrote:
> > >Subject: Re: Jim Garrison: Kennedy assassination cover up artist
> >
> > I don't know why the posters below used this particular subject
> header, but
> > nevertheless, it seems like a good opportunity to remind lurkers and
> newcomers
> > alike about some excellent resources on Jim Garrison and the New
> Orleans
> > connection to the assassination.
> >
> > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/garrison.htm
> >
> > >From: s2db...@atlas.vcu.edu (David B Henschel)
> > >Date: Sun, 18 July 1999 08:07 PM EDT
> > >Message-id: <7mtq8k$3a...@atlas.vcu.edu>
> > >
> > >
> > >>In article <7maa9v$unt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > >> sandr...@my-deja.com
> > >
> > >>Why doesn't George Bush tell us what he knows about Oswald?
> > >
> > >>He was also a Bay of Pigs veteran. By the way, what does he think
> > >>about the Kennedy disappearance? Talk to the media George.
> > >
> > >How can you do something to a plane when it's grounded in New
> > >Jersey so that it flies well from New Jersey to Massachusetts and
> > >*then* goes down without you in it?
> > >
> > >Or was Carolyn Bessette Kennedy involved in a plot against her
> > >husband and sister? For that matter, something about Michael
> > >Kennedy's death on the ski slope could be fishy. Sonny Bono?
> >
> >
>
why don't you stop selling your bullshit in this newsgroup McCadams,
stick to your moderated propaganda newsgroup. Jim Garrison was a
fraud, and if you are just a co-conspirator in the continuing
Kennedy assassination cover up, you should be prosecuted:
keep your Garrison bullshit to yourself, if it wasn't for fraud artists
like yourself and Garrison, JFK JR. would still be alive today.
The crown prince is dead, and it is people like you, who have his blood
on their hands.
sara...@my-deja.com
as long as assassins are not prosecuted, there will be assassinations.
now this page, which exposes assassins
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/search/poetry.html
has been loading extremely slow for the past three days. does anybody
know why?
rogermi...@my-deja.com
George Bush's former Solicitor General spent over four years
trying to put a bullet in Bill Clinton's head. Now excuse us
we don't think that taking five minutes to have your rogue CIA
agents create a little accident, is too far fetched. George Bush
thinks that his son is going to be the next President. If that's
true, John, John would have been 42 years old, after Bush's first
term, and all he had to do was say yes, to make sure that Bush
didn't get a second term. But now, Bush will have to give the entire
nation a lobotomy, before another Bush steps into the WhiteHouse.
You don't fuck with a Kennedy that the WORLD WILL NREVER FORGET.
And this bullshit that he wanted to be Senator from New York is just
more political bullshit.
rogermi...@my-deja.com
sara...@my-deja.com
and runs out of gas just before landing.
sara...@my-deja.com
rogermi...@my-deja.com
>
> >In article <7maa9v$unt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > sandr...@my-deja.com
>
> >Why doesn't George Bush tell us what he knows about Oswald?
>
> >He was also a Bay of Pigs veteran. By the way, what does he think
> >about the Kennedy disappearance? Talk to the media George.
>
> How can you do something to a plane when it's grounded in New
> Jersey so that it flies well from New Jersey to Massachusetts and
> *then* goes down without you in it?
>
> Or was Carolyn Bessette Kennedy involved in a plot against her
> husband and sister? For that matter, something about Michael
> Kennedy's death on the ski slope could be fishy. Sonny Bono?
>
Like Father, Like Son
John F. Kennedy Jr. was the only political asset in America who was
intelligent and sophisticated enough to rise above party politics. In
life, he was untouchable. Yet as soon as he died, right wing mouthpiece
William Saffire attributed his death to "bad judgment". The media rumor
mill predictably called him reckless. After all, he was his father's
son, wasn't he? Indeed, he was. Only a bullet could stop the father,
and only a staged accident, could stop the son. The Kennedys were men
of unchallengeable will. In the case of the father, he could single-
handedly stop the Vietnam war, and in the case of the son, the
Presidency was his for the asking. Now that he is not around to set the
record straight, political partisans plant words in his mouth, and use
his dead body as a platform to score political points. The widely
circulated rumor that Kennedy's ambition to become a candidate for the
US Senate was thwarted by Hillary Rodham Clinton, reflects the
partisan, political cheapshots that are lobbied about, at the expense
of a mute, John F. Kennedy Jr. Chris Matthews likes to promote the
claim that if Kennedy ran against Hillary, it would have been a
landslide, even though there was never any intention. While partisans
lobby baloney, the truth of the matter is that John F. Kennedy Jr.
terrified them. He terrified them because if media darling George W.
Bush Jr., won the election in 2000, John F. Kennedy Jr. would have been
42 in 2004, and all he had to do was walk into the Bush Presidency.
Kennedy did not challenge Hillary Rodham Clinton. Kennedy challenged
George Bush.
rogermi...@my-deja.com
sara...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <19990719040430...@ng-cm1.aol.com>,
> drei...@aol.com (Dave Reitzes) wrote:
> > >Subject: Re: Jim Garrison: Kennedy assassination cover up artist
> >
> > I don't know why the posters below used this particular subject
> header, but
> > nevertheless, it seems like a good opportunity to remind lurkers and
> newcomers
> > alike about some excellent resources on Jim Garrison and the New
> Orleans
> > connection to the assassination.
> >
> > http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/garrison.htm
> >
> > >From: s2db...@atlas.vcu.edu (David B Henschel)
> > >Date: Sun, 18 July 1999 08:07 PM EDT
> > >Message-id: <7mtq8k$3a...@atlas.vcu.edu>
> > >
> > >
> > >>In article <7maa9v$unt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > >> sandr...@my-deja.com
> > >
> > >>Why doesn't George Bush tell us what he knows about Oswald?
> > >
> > >>He was also a Bay of Pigs veteran. By the way, what does he think
> > >>about the Kennedy disappearance? Talk to the media George.
> > >
> > >How can you do something to a plane when it's grounded in New
> > >Jersey so that it flies well from New Jersey to Massachusetts and
> > >*then* goes down without you in it?
> > >
> > >Or was Carolyn Bessette Kennedy involved in a plot against her
> > >husband and sister? For that matter, something about Michael
> > >Kennedy's death on the ski slope could be fishy. Sonny Bono?
> >
> >
> and runs out of gas just before landing.
>
He routinely dismisses known facts about the John F. Kennedy
assassination. For example, despite every effort to discredit her,
there is absolutely no question about the fact that Cheramie had
foreknowledge about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and if
John McAdams is a moron or a cover up artist who is trying to
keep the truth buried, he should be prosecuted and convicted for
covering up the truth about the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
It is cover up artists like McCadams who ultimately have the blood
of JFK JR.'s blood on their hands. Now if he is simply a moron, we
apologize, but let people know so that they can swallow the appropriate
grain of salt. Beware of McAdams, many people who know anything about
the Kennedy assassination, have brought it to our attention that he is
simply seeking to keep the truth buried.
rogermi...@my-deja.com
thanks for posting this:
The moderators at alt.assassination.jfk refused to post
-so much for the truth. I guess I insulted their darling.
Dave Reitzes
despite every effort to discredit her,
>> there is absolutely no question about the fact that Cheramie had
>> foreknowledge about the assassination of John F. Kennedy,
Rose Cheramie never claimed to have any specific information on the
assassination.
Dr. Victor Weiss told the HSCA that "on Monday, November 25, 1963, he was asked
by another physician, Dr. Bowers, to see a patient who had been committed
November 20 or 21. Dr. Bowers allegedly told Weiss that the patient, Rose
Cheramie, had stated before the assassination that President Kennedy was going
to be killed. Weiss questioned Cheramie about her statements. She told him she
had worked for Jack Ruby. She did not have any specific details of a particular
assassination plot against Kennedy, but had stated the 'word in the underworld'
was that Kennedy would be assassinated" (HSCA Contact Report, July 5, 1978, Bob
Buras, with Dr. Victor Weiss [JFK Document No. 009699]).
Incredibly, the HSCA never spoke to Dr. Bowers, never seems to have made any
attempt to contact him at all, and never so much as even learned his first
name!
Dr. Victor Weiss, then, becomes an even more crucial witness. Weiss told the
HSCA that this Dr. Bowers informed him after the assassination that Cheramie
had made statements about the President's death prior to the events in Dallas.
But documents in Jim Garrison's file on Cheramie tell a different story. A
March 13, 1967, interview informs us that Weiss was unable to recall whether
these alleged statements of Cheramie's had been made before or after the
assassination (Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, March 13, 1967).
In 1967, Weiss COULD NOT CORROBORATE that Cheramie had predicted the
assassination.
"Francis Fruge, a lieutenant with the Louisiana State Police in 1963, was the
police officer who first came to Cheramie's assistance on November 20, 1963,
had her committed to the State Hospital, and later released her into his
custody following the assassination to investigate her allegations (HSCA
Contact Report, April 7, 1978, Bob Buras, with Francis Louis Fruge, p. 1 [JFK
Document No. 014141]). As such, he provided an account further detailing her
allegations and the official response to her allegations (HSCA report).
"Fruge was deposed by the committee on April 18, 1978. He told the committee he
was called on November 20, 1963 by an administrator at a private hospital in
Eunice, La. that a female accident victim had been taken there for treatment.
She had been treated for minor abrasions, and although she appeared to be under
the influence of drugs, since she had "no financial basis," she was to be
released. Fruge did what he normally did in such instances. As the woman
required no further medical attention, he put her in a jail cell to sober up.
This arrangement did not last long. The woman began to display severe symptoms
of withdrawal. Fruge said he called a doctor, who sedated Cheramie and Fruge
transported Cheramie to the State hospital in Jackson, La. (Ibid.).
"Fruge said that during the '1 to 2 hour' ride to Jackson, he asked Cheramie
some 'routine' questions. Fruge told the committee: 'She related to me that she
was coming from Florida to Dallas with women who were Italians or resembled
Italians. They had stopped at this lounge . . . and they'd had a few drinks and
had gotten into an argument or something. The manager of the lounge threw her
out and she got on the road and hitchhiked to catch a ride, and this is when
she got hit by a vehicle (Ibid.).
"Fruge said the lounge was a house of prostitution called the Silver Slipper.
Fruge asked Cheramie what she was going to do in Dallas: 'She said she was
going to, number one, pick up some money, pick up her baby, and to kill
Kennedy.' Fruge claimed during these intervals that Cheramie related the story
she appeared to be quite lucid. Fruge had Cheramie admitted to the hospital
late on November 20" (Ibid.).
"On November 22, when he heard the President had been assassinated, Fruge said
he immediately called the hospital and told them not to release Cheramie until
he had spoken to her. The hospital administrators assented but said Fruge would
have to wait until the following Monday before Cheramie would be well enough to
speak to anyone. Fruge waited. Under questioning, Cheramie told Fruge that the
two men traveling with her from Miami were going to Dallas to kill the
President. For her part, Cheramie was to obtain $8,000 from an unidentified
source in Dallas and proceed to Houston with the two men to complete a drug
deal. Cheramie was also supposed to pick up her little boy from friends who had
been looking after him (Ibid.).
"Cheramie further supplied detailed accounts of the arrangement for the drug
transaction in Houston. She said reservations had been made at the Rice Hotel
in Houston. The trio was to meet a seaman who was bringing in 8 kilos of heroin
to Galveston by boat. Cheramie had the name of the seaman and the boat he was
arriving on. Once the deal was completed, the trio would proceed to Mexico
(Ibid.).
"Fruge told the committee that he repeated Cheramie's story to his supervisors
and asked for instructions. He was told to follow up on it. Fruge promptly took
Cheramie into custody-as indicated in hospital records-and set out to check her
story (Ibid.; East Louisiana State hospital, Jackson, La., records for Melba
Christine Marcades AKA Rose Cheramie [JFK Document No. 006097]).
He contacted the chief customs agent in Galveston who reportedly verified the
scheduled docking of the boat and the name of the seaman. Fruge believed the
customs agent was also able to verify the name of the man in Dallas who was
holding Cheramie's son. Fruge recalled that the customs agent had tailed the
seaman as he disembarked from the boat, but then lost the man's trail. Customs
closed the case (HSCA Deposition of Francis Louis Fruge, April 18, 1978, p.20
[JFK Document No. 014570]).
Fruge had also hoped to corroborate other statements made by Cheramie. During a
flight from Houston, according to Fruge, Cheramie noticed a newspaper with
headlines indicating investigators had not been able to establish a
relationship between Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald. Cheramie laughed at the
headline, Fruge said. Cheramie told him she had worked for Ruby, of "Pinky," as
she knew him, at his night club in Dallas and claimed Ruby and Oswald "had been
shacking up for years. (Ibid. Note: Fruge also indicated the Club was called
the "Pink Door," although Ruby is not known to have ever had a club by this
name. See also, Louisiana State Police Memo., April 4, 1967, from Lt. Francis
Fruge, Parish of St. Landry, in JFK Document No. 013520). Fruge said he called
Capt. Will Fritz of the Dallas Police Department with this information. Fritz
answered, he wasn't interested. Fritz and the Louisiana State Police dropped
the investigation into the matter (Ibid.).
Todd Vaughan writes about "a 4 April 67 memorandum to Garrison that Lt. Fruge
wrote dealing with Fruge's investigation into Cheramie's death. In that memo
Fruge relates what Cheramie told him directly on the plane en route to Houston,
post Ruby shooting Oswald, about Oswald and Ruby knowing each other, being 'bed
partners,' etc. Fruge says NOTHING about her saying ANYTHING to him about
ANYTHING before the assassination" (Todd Vaughan, Newsgroup post of March 9,
1999).
"But here is the linchpin: Fruge closes the memo with 'Other statements made by
subject, relative to your inquiry, are hear-say, but are available, upon your
request'" (Ibid.).
"That sentence is crucial, for if Cheramie had actually 'predicted' the
assassination on the 20th of November in front of Fruge, he would NEVER have
written that 'other statements' by her were 'hear-say'" (Ibid.).
Considering that it was already Jim Garrison's theory was that the
assassination of John F. Kennedy was a "homosexual thrill-killing," as he told
more than one journalist, Fruge's report should be viewed with some skepticism.
"During the course of the New Orleans DA's investigation Fruge was able to
pursue leads in the Cheramie case that he had not checked out in the original
investigation. Although there appeared to be different versions as to how
Cheramie ended up by the side of the road, and the number and identity of her
companions, Fruge attempted to corroborate the version she had given him. Fruge
spoke with the owner of the Silver Slipper Lounge. The bar owner, a Mr. Mac
Manual since deceased, told Fruge that Cheramie had come in with two men who
the owner knew as pimps engaged in the business of hauling prostitutes in from
Florida. When Cheramie became intoxicated and rowdy, one of the men 'slapped
her around' and threw her outside (Op.cit.; see also HSCA Contact Report, April
7, 1978, Bob Buras, with Francis Louis Fruge, [JFK Document No. 0141414]).
"Fruge claims that he showed the owner of the bar a 'stack' of photographs and
mug shots to identify. According to Fruge the barowner chose the photos of a
Cuban exile, Sergio Arcacha Smith, and another Cuban Fruge believed to be named
Osanto" (Ibid.).
The Committee had a field day linking Arcacha to Dave Ferrie and Carlos
Marcello. However, simply put, the identification is false. Sergio Arcacha
Smith was an anti-Castro activist with the support of the Justice Department.
He was not a pimp or a narcotics smuggler. He left New Orleans in October 1962,
and moved to Miami. From there he moved to Houston in January 1963, and took a
job as an air conditioning salesman in March 1963 (David Blackburst, Newsgroup
post of November 22, 1997).
". . . Arcacha Smith, however, denied any knowledge of Cheramie and her
allegations. Other avenues of corroboration of Fruge's identification of
Cheramie's traveling companion as Sergio Arcacha Smith and further
substantiation of Cheramie's allegations remained elusive" (Op.cit.).
In other words, there was no corroborating evidence that Arcacha ever met Rose
Cheramie. From all that is known about Arcacha, it is nearly impossible to
believe he would. Since NODA had no cause to consider Arcacha a suspect, the
mere use of Arcacha's photo for identification purposes would have been
questioned by any court.
"US Customs was unable to locate documents and reports related to its
involvement in the Cheramie investigation although such involvement was not
denied. Nor could customs officials locate those agents named by Fruge as
having participated in the original investigation, as they had since left the
employ of the agency" (See Staff Memo., Rose Cheramie File, contact with Dennis
Cronin, US Customs [JFK Document No. 013520]).
In other words, there was not a shred of paper to corroborate Fruge's story
about a Customs investigation of Rose Cheramie.
"Since the FBI had never been notified by the Louisiana State Police and US
Customs of their interest in Cheramie, the FBI file did not have any reference
to the Cheramie allegations of November 1963" (See FBI file no. 166-1604 for
Melba Christine Marcades, Vol. 1 of 1 [JFK Document No. 012979]).
Again, there is no evidence to support Fruge's claims.
"FBI files did give reference to the investigation of a tip from Melba
Mercades, actually Rose Cheramie, in Ardmore, Okla. that she was en route to
Dallas to deliver $2,600 worth of heroin to a man in Oak Cliff, Tex. She was
then to proceed to Galveston, Tex., to pick up a load of narcotics from a
seaman on board a ship destined for Galveston in the next few days. She gave
'detailed descriptions as to individuals, names, places, and amounts
distributed.' Investigations were conducted by narcotics bureaus in Oklahoma
and Texas and her information was found to be "erroneous in all respects"
(Ibid.).
In other words, Cheramie tried to present herself as a narcotics informant, and
failed miserably, because her information was completely false.
"A similar tale was told in 1965: FBI agents investigated a tip from Rozella
Clinkscales, alias Melba Marcades, alias Rose Cheramie. Like the stories told
in 1963, Cheramie-Clinkscales claimed individuals associated with the syndicate
were running prostitution rings in several southern cities such as Houston and
Galveston, Tex., Oklahoma City, Okla. and Montgomery, Ala. by transporting
hookers, including Cheramie-Clinkscales, from town to town. Furthermore, she
claimed she had information about a heroin deal operating from a New Orleans
ship. A call to the Coast Guard verified an ongoing narcotics investigation of
the ship. Other allegations made by Cheramie-Clinkscales could not be verified.
Further investigation into Cheramie-Clinkscales revealed she had apparently
previously furnished the FBI false information concerning her involvement in
prostitution and narcotics matters and that she had been confined to a mental
institution in Norman, Okla. on three occasions. FBI agents decided to pursue
the case no further. The FBI indicated agents did not know of the death of
their informant on September 4, 1965, occurring just 1 month after she had
contacted the FBI. Louisiana State Police investigating Cheramie's fatal
accident also apparently did not know of the FBI's interest in her" (FBI
166-1604-1, November 23, 1965).
Once again, Cheramie tried to furnish information to the FBI. It turned out to
be valid but useless in one respect and unverifiable otherwise.
Now, this strikes me as a little odd. How come Cheramie kept trying to become
an informant with all this useless information, and never once opened her mouth
about the one bit of VALUABLE knowledge she's supposed to have possessed?
Was it too "dangerous"? How come she would eagerly volunteer this "dangerous
knowledge" to Fruge, his unidentified partner, this Dr. Bowers, Dr. Weiss, and
anyone else who would listen to her that weekend, but never again to another
soul, even when she had two years in which to do so? Was she too "terrified" to
speak? If so, why wasn't she the least bit terrified in 1963?
"In his report to Garrison, Fruge also stated that back in November 1963, when
Cheramie had been in police custody, she had volunteered "that she once worked
for Jack Ruby as a stripper, which was verified" (Lt. Francis Fruge, Statement
to Jim Garrison, April 4, 1967; Mills, "Rambling Rose").
Verified how, and by whom? Where's the evidence? Again, there's nothing to
support Fruge except Fruge's word. And Patricia Lambert has given us several
reasons to question Fruge's word (*False Witness,* 323 fn.), even if his
handling of the Cheramie matter wasn't suspicious enough. He seems to have
misled the HSCA about when he began work on Garrison's investigation, he helped
Garrison obscure the origin of the Clinton story by omitting mention of
investigator Anne Hundley Dischler and instead referring the Committee to
Andrew Sciambra, Dischler's replacement on the Clinton investigation, and he
claimed that prospective Clinton witness Andrew Dunn had been "one of the most
believable" of the Clinton witnesses, when in 1967, he'd argued against using
Dunn because of his alcoholism. (Dunn's statement to the DA's office is linked
to my Clinton article at [http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/clinton1.htm].)
Now a few words about Cheramie:
"According to the clinical notes, the deputy accompanying Cheramie said the
patient had been 'picked up on [the] side of [the] road and had been given
something by the coroner.' The coroner in Eunice was contacted by doctors at
the hospital and he told them Cheramie had been coherent when he spoke with her
at 10:30 p.m., November 20, but he did administer a sedative. He further
indicated that Cheramie was a 9-year mainlining heroin addict, whose last
injection had been around 2 p.m., November 20. The doctors noted that
Cheramie's condition upon initial examination indicated heroin withdrawal and
clinical shock (Ibid.).
"Relevant to Cheramie's credibility was an assessment of her mental state. From
November 22 to November 24, Cheramie required close attention and medication"
(Ibid.).
Todd Vaughan has a different perspective: "Not only did Cheramie do time in the
mental ward of the Louisiana State Hospital (several times, including the
weekend of the assassination) she was a car thief, an arsonist, a drunk, a
junkie, a prostitute, a vagrant, and apparently a drug dealer of sorts. She was
also convicted of resisting arrest, aiding soliers to escape, larceny, and
charged with being 'criminally insane'" (Todd Vaughan, Newsgroup post of March
3, 1999).
"On November 25 she was transferred to the ward. On November 27 she was
released to Louisiana State Police Lieutenant Fruge (Op.cit.).
"The hospital records gave no reference as to alleged statements made by
Cheramie or why she was released to Lieutenant Fruge on November 27, 1963.
These records do indicate Cheramie had been hospitalized for alcoholism and
narcotics addiction on other occasions, including commitment to the same
hospital in March 1961 by the criminal court of New Orleans. During this stay,
the woman was diagnosed as '. . . without psychosis. However, because of her
previous record of drug addiction she may have a mild integrative and pleasure
defect.' Her record would show she has "intervals of very good behavior" but at
other times she "presents episodically psychopathic behavior" indicative in her
history of drug and alcohol abuse, prostitution, arrest on numerous, if minor,
charges (Ibid.).
In her short life, Cheramie was arrested over 50 times in ten states for
charges including juvenile delinquency, vagrancy, drunk and disorderly
behavior, larceny, auto theft, possession of narcotics, driving under the
influence of narcotics, driving while intoxicated, prostitution, and arson. She
used over 30 different names, and claimed at least six different dates of
birth. In 1947, she tried to slash her wrists and was "believed to be insane."
She later tried unsuccessfully to become a criminal informant, and provided the
FBI with false information on at least one occasion. She was ruled "criminally
insane" in 1961. She was institutionalized several times, with "psychotic"
behavior noted.
That's the Garrison gang's star witness.
One bit of misinformation that seems to be floating around concerns Cheramie's
death. Chris Mills writes that Cheramie's death certificate mentions a
"punctate stellate wound." Bob Vernon has made the same claim on this
newsgroup. But the death certificate says no such thing. Mills' source is J.
Gary Shaw, "Case Closed" or Posner's Pompous & Presumptuous Postulations,"
available on-line at:
http://roswell.fortunecity.com/angelic/96/pcissu5.htm
Shaw does not name a source.
I'm waiting to hear from NARA about obtaining all they have on Rose Cheramie.
It looks like Garrison conned us yet again.
Sidenote:
On March 17, 1967, an informant named Tom Williams told an odd story to the New
Orleans DA's office about a Jackson, Louisiana, resident named Gladys Fletcher
Palmer. According to Williams, Palmer's ex-husband Matt. Nephew of Henry Earl
Palmer, said his ex-wife had been employed by Jack Ruby in Dallas, and that two
weeks before the assassination, she had arrived in Jackson, driving a black
Lincoln Continental, then checked into the State Hospital for treatment of
alcoholism. Two hours before John F. Kennedy was killed, Gladys Palmer was
alleged to have stated, "This is the day of the president's assassination"
(Claude B. Slaton, "Further Feliciana Research," The Truth Is Redacted Website
[http://www.redacted.com/jcooper.htm]).
Claude Slaton investigated the story recently, and could find no substantiation
for the claims about working for Jack Ruby or predicting the assassination
(Ibid.).
The black Lincoln Continental seems to mirror the black Cadillac of Oswald's
alleged visit to Clinton, while the story of Mrs. Palmer seems strangely
reminiscent of Rose Cheramie, who is alleged to have spoken of the upcoming
assassination while experiencing symptoms of narcotics withdrawal in the
hospital.
Dave Reitzes
Check out the resources on Garrison at:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/garrison.htm
rogermi...@my-deja.com
bobwh...@my-deja.com
drei...@aol.com (Dave Reitzes) wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Jim Garrison: Kennedy assassination cover up artist
>
header, but
> nevertheless, it seems like a good opportunity to remind lurkers and
newcomers
> alike about some excellent resources on Jim Garrison and the New
Orleans
> connection to the assassination.
>
> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/garrison.htm
>
> >From: s2db...@atlas.vcu.edu (David B Henschel)
> >Date: Sun, 18 July 1999 08:07 PM EDT
> >Message-id: <7mtq8k$3a...@atlas.vcu.edu>
> >
> >sara...@my-deja.com writes:
> >
> >>In article <7maa9v$unt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> >> sandr...@my-deja.com
> >
> >>Why doesn't George Bush tell us what he knows about Oswald?
> >
> >>He was also a Bay of Pigs veteran. By the way, what does he think
> >>about the Kennedy disappearance? Talk to the media George.
> >
> >How can you do something to a plane when it's grounded in New
> >Jersey so that it flies well from New Jersey to Massachusetts and
> >*then* goes down without you in it?
> >
> >Or was Carolyn Bessette Kennedy involved in a plot against her
> >husband and sister? For that matter, something about Michael
> >Kennedy's death on the ski slope could be fishy. Sonny Bono?
>
artist, please do not try to convince people that you are a Kennedy
assassination expert.
to be sure, given your obvious lack of knowledge, this should incite
your absurd "I don't know" claim. For somebody who seeks to dominate
the Kennedy assassination newsgroups, you certainly do not know very
much. Here it goes Sherlock:
the first conspiracy theory to surfacre is that JFK Jr. had
an accident -hm, let's see now, he ran out of gas before he
reached Martha's Vineyard, and we are not even supposed to
consider the obvious sabotage that leads to such a condition.
Now that's what you call a conspiracy theory. The truth is
much simpler.
http://www.angelfire.com/tn/daybreak/crime.html
rogermi...@my-deja.com
nice picture
http://www.angelfire.com/va/spresly/marylin.html
David B Henschel
>In article <7mkvmb$jar$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> sandr...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Update:
>>
>> Marylin Monroe was under lockstep surveillance. She hung around
>> a diverse crowd that included un-Americans like Arthur Miller, and
>> she could not even fart without blowing air in J. Edgar Hoover's
>> ear. Hoover used the Mafia to spy on Communists and Marylin Monroe's
>> entire house was bugged -audio and video.
Would you cite your source for the video part? My name is in
Donald Wolfe's 1998 book "The Assassination of Marilyn (please
spell her name right) Monroe." I helped Mr. Wolfe with research,
but he never turned up anything about video. Audio, yes.
>> Incidentally, the guy who
>> bugged her house died in prison, to keep the rumor that her murder
>> was recorded, out of the realm f absolute proof.
No, Bernard Spindel died in 1971 after being released from
prison. That he had bugged Marilyn's house was no secret during
his lifetime. The New York Times reported in 1966 that New York
district attorney Frank Hogan ordered a raid on Spindel's upstate
New York house. The piece mentioned Marilyn's name as being
connected to the stuff they were confiscating, but in a dry boring
New York Times way that stuck in few people's minds in 1966. No
one would have murdered Spindel, especially if they took his tapes
five years before his death. But he had given copies to people
he wouldn't name.
>> In retrospect
>> however, given all we know about her obvious, proveable murder
>> [even the first cop on the scene claims that she was murdered, this
>> is no fuzzy verdict]
That cop, Jack Clemmons, comes across as a hero in Donald Wolfe's
aforementioned book. But Anthony Summers doubts his credibility
in the comprehensive 1985 book "Goddess." Summers points out
that Clemmons was a member of "Fi Po," a group of firefighters
and police who tried to identify communists in the California
State Senate and the U.S. Congress.
Clemmons even helped a writer named Frank Capell try to smear
Bobby Kennedy while the latter ran for his New York senate seat
in 1964. Capell was a major source for Clemmons' book "The
Strange Death of Marilyn Monroe," which says an international
communist plot killed Marilyn.
You can read more about how Clemmons allied with Capell in the
paperback edition of "Goddess." Ignore the hardback edition
unless you want a good look at the handwritten letter Jean
Kennedy Smith sent to Marilyn saying "Understand that you and
Bobby are the new item." Jean wrote it on the stationery of
the old Kennedy compound in Palm Beach.
>> every act of cover up is a further piece of
>> evidence. In the final analysis, J. Edgar Hoover and his Mafia
>> cohorts are directly responsible for the murder of Marylin Monroe.
That contradicts both "Goddess" and "The Assassination of Marilyn
Monroe." The only book that supports it is the one by Jimmy
Hoffa's "foster son" Chuck O'Brien. The 1975 memoirs of Hoffa
contains an afterword by someone who claims Hoffa ended his
friendship with O'Brien circa 1971 and the O'Brien may have
helped kill Hoffa. And that O'Brien lies about many things.
>> Motive:
>>
>> Marylin Monroe also hung around with the likes of Johnny Roselli,
>> who was angry at Kennedys for giving the Mafia a hard time and who
>> bragged about "friends in high places" who were going to knock
>> Kennedy off. These assassination rumors invariably disturbed
>> Marylin Monroe, but her frantic attempt to warn the Kennedys, was
>> obviously thwarted.
Your source that she did that? Several books say she shot her
mouth off about the Kennedys firing J. Edgar Hoover, a testing of
the hydrogen bomb that Bobby witnessed and the federal
government's anti-trust suit against the MCA entertainment
company. I've never seen a citation about Marilyn having prior
knowledge of the assassination that happened more than a year
after her death.
>> If there is one consistent element to the
>> Kennedy assassination it is this: anybody who knew too much was
>> murdered to keep the truth as obscure as possible.
Or did some of them just get threats, like Richard Giesbrecht.
He died in 1990, certainly not by murder.