we now resume your irregularly scheduled propaganda...
art guerrilla
fellow kampers -
after the shock of it all, after the
horror of a nightmare come true,
after the personal tradgedies of
thousands upon thousands, after
empathizing with the awful, heart-
rending losses of so many families,
after the anger, and sadness, and
regret, and fear...
...after we have buried the dead,
tended the injured, comforted the
living, and thanked the rescuers...
after all those necessary actions,
(and much more to be done),
let's try to be careful; let's try to
be fair, let's try to be more gentle...
let's try not to become xenophobic :
a fearful mob yelling fell war cries,
snarling and snapping in rage at
any convenient target within reach...
let's try not to be an unthinking mass
of angry tribe, uulating a dread chorus
of primitive bloodlust...
let's try not to suffer 'our' (sic) leaders
pandering to us with naked vengeance
dressed up with self-righteous bombast...
let's try not to tell ourselves we *have
to* become monsters in order to hunt
down and kill monsters...
let's try to comprehensively assess how
this situation has arisen over time, not just
the result of one fanatic's whim...
let's try to honestly analyze how the
policies, actions, and clandestive activities
of *OUR* country, contribute to the
conditions and viability of other countries
and peoples...
finally, let us try to enact humane, moral
policies -both domestic and foreign- which
benefit the world and humankind,
not oppress them more, not restrict
their rights, not wantonly kill...
the answers are not to be found in more
erosion of civil rights and personal freedoms;
the answers aren't with more repressive,
powerful governments intruding more, arming
more, militarizing more; the answers will
not be with those who want to exclude,
who want to kill and destroy, who willingly
give up legal and natural rights for an
illusory sense of security...
no, the good answers are both simpler and
more complex than that...
...simpler, in that a system which is based
on beneficial relationships among countries
for the betterment of both it's peoples (ie
the little peeps, obviously, we presently have
relationships among countries which benefit
the big peeps at the top of the food chain
quite nicely; that's precisely the problem),
with mutual trust, with mutual respect for
sovereignty, with progressive, humane
agendas...
...complex, in that we don't live in that
world where such a series of events
driven by the better human instincts
can be effected...
...we live in a world where the dominant
meme impressed upon OUR VERY
SOULS, is that dogless kapitalism is
the ONLY way this planet should -or
could- operate 'fairly'...
...unless/until we throw off *those*
chains, 'they' will never be free,
and we will never be free...
ann archy
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=keith=
digde...@aol.comoc.loa says...
group?
Take care
=keith=
--
When People Fear The Government There's Tyranny; When the Government
Fears the People There's Democracy
art guerrilla
keith haunted -
>How many times do I have to tell you to not talk sense on this news
>group?
oops, did eye forget to put the big
boolean 'not' in front of that post ? ? ?
hee hee hee
ann not archy
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Magic Bullet
art guerrilla <digde...@aol.comoc.loa> wrote in message
news:20010917092908...@mb-fx.aol.com...
How can you say that? Kapitalism is
precisely the one with dog on it's side.
http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200105152.shtml
Or is it a case of your Bush just needing a damn
good Weading?
> the ONLY way this planet should -or
> could- operate 'fairly'...
Speaking of "fair" which is synonymous
with "just"... as in "justice"...
Geoffrey Robertson was interviewed on TV
here last night. He may not be well known in the
US, but is a lawyer and human rights campaigner
based in the UK, and is the author of several
books including "The Struggle for Global
Justice". There are few more knowledgeable
or eloquent on the subject of global politics.
To summarise his comments on last week
(at least insofar as I understood them):
it was not an act of war, but it was far more
than a terrorist attack: it was a crime against
humanity, and that is how it should be dealt with.
Under International law, whatever force
necessary can be employed to bring the
suspects to justice AND to gather the evidence.
The appropriate court is the one which was
set up for just such crimes: The Hague. He
also pointed out the unfortunate situation of
the Right in the US failing to support the
International Court on the grounds that it
infringed upon US Sovereignty. This leaves
only two choices... an act of war in
retaliation... or bringing the suspects to
the US courts where a fair trial would be
all but impossible...
greg
O.H. LEE
digde...@aol.comoc.loa (art guerrilla) wrote:
>
>fellow kampers -
>
>after the shock of it all, after the
>horror of a nightmare come true,
>after the personal tradgedies of
>thousands upon thousands, after
>empathizing with the awful, heart-
>rending losses of so many families,
>after the anger, and sadness, and
>regret, and fear...
>
>on beneficial relationships among countries
>for the betterment of both it's peoples (ie
>the little peeps, obviously, we presently have
>relationships among countries which benefit
>the big peeps at the top of the food chain
>quite nicely; that's precisely the problem),
>with mutual trust, with mutual respect for
>sovereignty, with progressive, humane
>agendas...
>
>world where such a series of events
>driven by the better human instincts
>can be effected...
>
>meme impressed upon OUR VERY
>SOULS, is that dogless kapitalism is
>the ONLY way this planet should -or
>could- operate 'fairly'...
>
>chains, 'they' will never be free,
>and we will never be free...
>
>ann archy
>
>eof
>
Some worthy sentiments expressed Art, but I would not ignore the religious
fanaticism part of the equation when it comes to those countries. Were we
to ignore them, would they embrace socialism? I think not. Were we to ignore
them, would the wealth of their respective countries be more evenly distributed?
I think not. Were we to ignore them, would women become more than third or
fourth class citizens? I think not. The ingrained ways of life in those countries
evolved as they did pretty much independently of our influence, although
more recent history has seen far more in the way of American attempts at
influencing those nations.
O.H. LEE
O.H. LEE (ga...@aol.com)
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PapaKochenbrot
>From: digde...@aol.comoc.loa (art guerrilla)
>Date: 9/17/01 6:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010917092908...@mb-fx.aol.com>
A good post..... Ann Archy... Too bad few will recognize it as a good post.
The cry for blood in this "great, civilized," nation is drowning out common
sense....
Walt
art guerrilla
OH uh-oh'ed -
>Some worthy sentiments expressed Art,
...if eye see any further than others, it is
only because eye stand on the shoulders
of the midgets preceding me...
hee hee hee
>but I would not ignore the religious
>fanaticism part of the equation when it comes to those countries.
not saying we should 'ignore' anything,
much less whatever role religious
fanaticism plays in motivating terrorist
acts...
my points had to do with controlling *OUR*
actions, restraining *OUR* baser instincts,
maintaining *OUR* equanimity...
we can NOT kontrol (nor should we) the
thoughts and acts of others; we *can*
(presumably) exercise self-control as a
people and a state...
>Were we
>to ignore them, would they embrace socialism? I think not.
eye have said nothing of 'ignoring' others,
especially those who perpetrate terrorist
acts against civilians, etc, eye am just
saying that evil done by others does not
excuse us to do evil in seeking vengeance
...
>Were we to ignore
>them, would the wealth of their respective countries be more evenly
>distributed?
um, for the last time, reminding *us* to
pay attention to *OUR* actions and not
act in a terrorist manner, is *not* to ignore
the 'evildoers'; NOR had eye commented
one way or the other about their respective
political systems and klass structures...
...saying that others have faults, is not to
cure our own faults, it merely distracts us
from them...
(besides, seeing as how the biggest, best,
greatest ever incarnation of dog almighty
kapitalism, exhibits some of the most
egregious symptoms of klass division and
inequitable distribution of wealth, eye am
not about to chase that minnow while
there are bigger fish to fry...)
>I think not. Were we to ignore them, would women become more than third or
>fourth class citizens? I think not.
when eye talk about tending to our own
knitting, that is *NOT* to say that we then
turn a blind eye to 'them' (whoever 'them'
is today), nor that we shouldn't
communicate with them, nor think about
them, nor decry their repressions of civil
liberties (um, glass houses, anyone ? ? ?),
nor stand up for the natural rights and
moral decency to be applied to all citizens
of this planet, in all countries, at all times,
for all time...
>The ingrained ways of life in those
>countries
>evolved as they did pretty much independently of our influence,
? ? ?
...that afghanistan has a certain, um, shall
we say, lifestyle, due to it's geography,
climate, history, proximate states, etc, is
not to be disputed...
...that china, france, virtually any state has
a history and culture that rose or fell
prior to and/or independent of any ewe ess
influence is a sophistry...
...the more important question is, in
modern history, more specifically in the
20th century as amerika attained super
duperpower status, have we or have we
not interfered, infiltrated, kontrolled,
guided, funded, overthrown, handpicked,
influenced, directed, ordered, bribed,
blackmailed, threatened, embargoed,
fought, terrorized, assassinated, and
otherwise made trouble in an ENDLESS
series of overt and covert actions against
'sovereign' (sic) states ? ? ?
>although
>more recent history has seen far more in the way of American attempts at
>influencing those nations.
thanks for agreeing with me...
hee hee hee
ann hidden-history archy
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