SHAME ON YOU, MARTIN: JUDYTH PANS YOU BIG TIME
SecretServiceguy
http://judythvarybaker.spaces.msn.com/
Especially the following:
<Quote on>
Now an Unauthorized Version of my book has been published --without
my permissio --which has typos, missing photos,and other flaws. But it
is a big book, and Harrison Edward Livingstone and Martin Shackelford
published it despite my objections, believing it needed to get out to
the people now, not later. I am unhappy about the book's having been
published behind my back, but I do not sue people unless it is a last
resort. Eventually the authorized version will be
available--hopefully before my death.
<Quote off>
.John
Grizzlie Antagonist
La donna è mobile ("Woman is fickle") - Giuseppe Verdi's "Rigoletto"
Dan
Martin
I will make this comment on what he copied:
1) Judyth was provided with a complete printed copy of Harry
Livingstone's edit of the book.
2) She and I spent several weeks, chapter by chapter, making corrections.
3) The recently published book is the Judyth-corrected edition.
4) Judyth is the book's copyright-holder, and the author for purposes of
royalties.
5) If this is someone's idea of "unauthorized" I'm a bit confused.
6) Later, when it was too late, she wanted to add 30 additional pages
and make other changes after the book had been "locked in" and couldn't
be changed except at considerable expense. This may be part of what she
means by "unauthorized."
Martin
Grizzlie Antagonist
knowledge or authorization".
And Judyth ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH. Do you HEAR ME, Martin Shackelford?
Judyth never lies! Judyth never lies! Judyth never lies! Judyth ALWAYS
TELLS THE TRUTH! Do you HEAR ME? Do you HEAR ME?
And what's more, I'll bet that those FIFTY CUSTOMERS that you were so
proud of, to say nothing of that ONE LIBRARY and that on-line retailer,
paid $49.99 for an FULLY AUTHORIZED EDITION OF THE TRUE STORY -- without
ANY typos, missing photos,or other flaw and that wasn't published WITHOUT
the permission or knowledge of the main player!
They SURE didn't pay good money for some hodgepodge quilt of UNAUTHORIZED
biography taken out of context and lacking 30 missing pages of crucial
information. Boy, you just better hope that Judyth isn't the ONLY ONE who
never sues people, except as a "last resort".
Well, fortunately TRUTH-SEEKERS out there won't have to put up with this
much longer because Judyth has apparently found a publisher and a
researcher who will TREAT HER RIGHT, and then the AUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY
will be published "hopefully before <her> death" and then NEXT time, the
truth-seekers can pay good money for the REAL truth and not that
watered-down version being sold by Trafford right now that certain other
people are responsible for.
Dr. Chad Zimmerman
"unauthorized" when dealing with a recently published book is:
'There is stuff in there that shouldn't be in there, so please buy it'
Did you note how she seems so bitter and angry, then promotes the book?
I've never seen such a thing in my life.
Chad
"Martin" <msh...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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Barb Junkkarinen
<doc...@netzero.net> wrote:
>Perhaps I can simplify it for you. The conventional use of the word
>"unauthorized" when dealing with a recently published book is:
>
>'There is stuff in there that shouldn't be in there, so please buy it'
>
>Did you note how she seems so bitter and angry, then promotes the book?
>
>I've never seen such a thing in my life.
Ain't that the truth. You couldn't even write a script like this ...
no one would believe it!
Barb :-)
Dr. Chad Zimmerman
Chad
"Barb Junkkarinen" <barbRE...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Barb Junkkarinen
<doc...@netzero.net> wrote:
>Perhaps it is foreshadowing for the future owners of the book..?
Hmmmm....
Barb :-)
Michael O'Dell
or a really big gotcha!, she can claim that wasn't part of her story and
someone else put it in there.
Michael
"Dr. Chad Zimmerman" <doc...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Barb Junkkarinen
wrote:
>Or it leaves her an out. When people find more problems with the story,
>or a really big gotcha!, she can claim that wasn't part of her story and
>someone else put it in there.
More like .... "I wanted to change/explain/add to/whatever that but
they didn't let me, so here's the real deal now".... of course if she
thinks for one nanosecond that anyone is going to believe that at this
point, she's really not as bright as touted. :-)
Barb :-)
Martin Shackelford
Everything in the book is also in those files. No one added anything,
except for a clearly marked editor's note which I added to clarify a
point. There are also introductions and an afterword, also clearly
marked. I also added nothing the the End Notes, except for a
newly-discovered detail about the men who visited Silvia Odio--and that
was discussed with Judyth.
Martin
Grizzlie Antagonist
> On 27 Jul 2006 00:49:01 -0400, "Michael O'Dell" <ode...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Or it leaves her an out. When people find more problems with the story,
> >or a really big gotcha!, she can claim that wasn't part of her story and
> >someone else put it in there.
>
> More like .... "I wanted to change/explain/add to/whatever that but
> they didn't let me, so here's the real deal now".... of course if she
> thinks for one nanosecond that anyone is going to believe that at this
> point, she's really not as bright as touted. :-)
>
> Barb :-)
> >
> >Michael
On her msn website, she claims to be responsible for "medical
inventions to ease suffering of young and elderly patients"
1) Does she actually have patents on such inventions and can she
actually show that she does?; and 2) Why not inventions to ease the
suffering of middle-aged patients? Shackelford can probably use
something like that right now.
Like the website says, contact her for free ideas if you can finance
their development.
Barb Junkkarinen
<lloydso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Barb Junkkarinen wrote:
>> On 27 Jul 2006 00:49:01 -0400, "Michael O'Dell" <ode...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Or it leaves her an out. When people find more problems with the story,
>> >or a really big gotcha!, she can claim that wasn't part of her story and
>> >someone else put it in there.
>>
>> More like .... "I wanted to change/explain/add to/whatever that but
>> they didn't let me, so here's the real deal now".... of course if she
>> thinks for one nanosecond that anyone is going to believe that at this
>> point, she's really not as bright as touted. :-)
>>
>> Barb :-)
>> >
>> >Michael
>
>http://judythvarybaker.spaces.msn.com/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c01_memberprofiletile=showdefault&_c=MemberProfileTile
>
>On her msn website, she claims to be responsible for "medical
>inventions to ease suffering of young and elderly patients"
>
>
>1) Does she actually have patents on such inventions and can she
>actually show that she does?;
Id she did, I'm sure we would have heard about it in big print.
>and 2) Why not inventions to ease the
>suffering of middle-aged patients? Shackelford can probably use
>something like that right now.
Me too.<g>
>
>Like the website says, contact her for free ideas if you can finance
>their development.
Oh yeah.
In her book, she claims she was developing a blood sedimentation test
to detect cancer activity ... and later says she did it.
I want to ask Martin about that one .... surely Judyth will be willing
to enlighten us on the specifics of this test she developed.
Barb :-)
Martin Shackelford
Martin
Spence
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Martin,
I find your point 5 below interesting:
QUOTE ON:
5) If this is someone's idea of "unauthorized" I'm a bit confused.
QUOTE OFF.
This is now the second time in a week to ten days that you've publicly
debunked your primary witness, Baker. In that same timespan Baker has now
debunked your authority to tell her story.
I doubt any student of the Kennedy assassination will take Baker's account
seriously anymore, after the events of the last week or so. I certainly
wouldn't.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
Dr. Chad Zimmerman
<bbc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> you're joking, I see this on the newsstands and on Access Hollywood
> daily. Let alone the internet.
Really, there are lots of celebrities or others that write books, start
selling them (generating royalties), answer questions about the book....
then create a cheap website to claim that the book is unauthorized?
I must've missed those issues.
Chad
>
> Don
>
> Dr. Chad Zimmerman wrote:...
JLeyd...@aol.com
and Livingstone went behind her back on this whole publications thing.
That's a diplomatic way of calling your a couple of sneaks. She also noted
that the book "was published without my permission, knowledge or
authorization" (see quote in "profile" section of her blog.) I recall
that you made similar ugly accusations against Peter Cox and had to recant
on line. But the question now is what about the book. Judyth says it's
"unauthorized" and she's "unhappy" with it. Promises that an authorized
version will be available "soon" (profile section again). Accordingly, it
seems the ethical thing to do would be to stop sales until Judyth's
version is available. This is a $49.99 item, after all, and Trafford says
on it's website that books are "NOT sold on a refundable or returnable
basis." Do the right thing.
JGL
JLeyd...@aol.com
behind her back, she's in effect calling you a couple of "sneaks."
Well, as long as you can live with it.
JGL
Barb Junkkarinen
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>It's never dull in this project, I must say.
>
>Martin
Said with a sigh ... or with a chuckle? I really am sorry it's you in
the middle of all this, Martin. And then you get broadsided
(blindsided?) from where one would think you least expected it.
Barb :-)
Barb Junkkarinen
>You're side stepping the central issue here, Shackelford. Judyth said you
>and Livingstone went behind her back on this whole publications thing.
>That's a diplomatic way of calling your a couple of sneaks. She also noted
>that the book "was published without my permission, knowledge or
>authorization" (see quote in "profile" section of her blog.) I recall
>that you made similar ugly accusations against Peter Cox and had to recant
>on line. But the question now is what about the book. Judyth says it's
>"unauthorized" and she's "unhappy" with it. Promises that an authorized
>version will be available "soon" (profile section again). Accordingly, it
>seems the ethical thing to do would be to stop sales until Judyth's
>version is available. This is a $49.99 item, after all, and Trafford says
>on it's website that books are "NOT sold on a refundable or returnable
>basis." Do the right thing.
Which would be to send all those who've purchased this book a copy of
the "authorized" tome when it is avaliable at no charge.
In the mean time, is Judyth going to be recanting her charges against
Martin and Livingstone? Martin says she went thru the book and
finalized it. Now she basically accuses them of stealing it from her.
Martin has explained ... and he's good at that because he's been
explaining and making excuses for Judyth for years. When's she going
to pull up her big girl pants and face the mess she's made herself?
Lord knows she knows how to blog. Does she know integrity?
Barb :-)
Grizzlie Antagonist
> On 27 Jul 2006 17:05:42 -0400, Martin Shackelford
> <msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >It's never dull in this project, I must say.
> >
> >Martin
>
> Said with a sigh ... or with a chuckle? I really am sorry it's you in
> the middle of all this, Martin. And then you get broadsided
> (blindsided?) from where one would think you least expected it.
>
> Barb :-)
Don't you think that your sympathy would be better founded if he would
acknowledge having been blindsided?
He's saying that nothing has happened.
pame...@mindspring.com
missing that Judyth wanted to have added; especially in the second volume,
which is much shorter than the first.
However, if there is much of the cake-eating you suggest, I would say that
could create an issue of credibility imo.
Pamela
pame...@mindspring.com
Judyth's control. She says she believes it was done in the best interests
of getting the book to the public, but it still hurt.
Per Martin, Judyth wanted more changes made after printing was 'locked
in'. Apparently, she did not have a voice at that point and was unable to
stop the printing process. All the legalities of the book have apparently
been taken out of her control too.
Pamela
On 27 Jul 2006 17:18:19 -0400, "JLeyd...@aol.com"
<JLeyd...@aol.com> wrote:
Barb Junkkarinen
<lloydso...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Will be interesting to see if he still maintains that pro-Judyth
defense at all costs after the latest addition to her blog .... yikes.
Actually, Martin always has been one of the good guys ... and I've
always been sorry (and more than a tad surprised) that he got caught
up in this.
What can I say...I'm a softie.
For his own sake, at this point, I hope he does extricate himself from
this mess. Talk about a meltdown.
Barb :-)
>
Barb Junkkarinen
>From my limited understanding, it seems that the book was taken from
>Judyth's control. She says she believes it was done in the best interests
>of getting the book to the public, but it still hurt.
>
>Per Martin, Judyth wanted more changes made after printing was 'locked
>in'. Apparently, she did not have a voice at that point and was unable to
>stop the printing process. All the legalities of the book have apparently
>been taken out of her control too.
I think what Judyth didn't have ... nor did anyone else, was the $$$
to reopen that lock for changes. But who knows ... after that, there
would very likely have been more she wanted to change...and then more
to add .... would she ever be satisfied, especially when it's out and
people are immediately finding errors and problems... and the next
thing you know, after it's been on sale for a few weeks .... she's
saying she didn't even know it had been published, isn't getting any
royalties, she had never approved it to be printedetc...just how
credible IS all that? Not very, imo.
Judyth paints herself as the victim ... again ... always has ... even
in explanation/excuse for her blog saying the server went down and she
couldn't make changes , get permissions from people, etc. Yeah right
... you do all those things before you make it go live.
Barb :-)
Martin
about"--the book, with anyone who has read it. Beyond that, I'm not
going to send Judyth questions on other matters. There's a comment
section on her website--use it if you wish, but don't expect me to act
as your intermediary.
Leyden, as usual, is full of worthless suggestions, and even Barb chimes
in with him--she's in bad company. There will be no free copies, nor
likely any other version of the book in the foreseeable future.
As for Pamela's comments, at some point a book is ALWAYS "taken from"
the author's control--first by an editor, and then when it is sent to
press. Once it is sent off to be printed, it is too late to suddenly
decide there need to be more changes. That doesn't make it
"unauthorized." What we're dealing with here is some differences in
definition--the basic facts aren't in dispute. As for "all legalities of
the book have apparently taken out of her control too," I have no idea
what this means. She remains the legal author, remains the copyright
owner, remains the person to whom royalties will go after expenses are
paid. Not sure what "legalities" Pamela is talking about.
As for "the money to re-open the lock," once a book is sent off to the
printer, the author can't suddenly decide "I think I want to make some
more changes." It's too late at that point. It isn't a matter of
money--though had it been, there wasn't any. AFTER publication, changes
can be made by the printer at a rate of $55 per hour, with no real
control over how many hours it will take.
NONE of us knew the exact date the book would come out--it in fact came
out a bit ahead of when we expected it. I learned FROM JUDYTH that the
book was available. Harry did also.
As for not getting any royalties, there are no royalties until expenses
are covered. Even had there been no expenses, royalties are determined
by the quarter, so there hasn't even been time for a royalty statement.
The book has been actually available (thanks to the three-week hiatus)
for less than a month. The comment that she "isn't getting any
royalties" is meaningless. When there are royalties to be paid, she will
receive them.
Martin
Martin Shackelford
Oswald and the JFK case. I'm not here to satisfy idle curiosity about
other matters.
Martin
Martin Shackelford
I am satisfied with the people who are seriously studying the book.
I don't pay much attention to "newsgroup commentators."
Martin
Martin Shackelford
by an editor, and then when it is sent to press. Once it is sent off to
be printed, it is too late to suddenly decide there need to be more
changes. That doesn't make it "unauthorized." What we're dealing with
here is some differences in definition--the basic facts aren't in
dispute. As for "all legalities of the book have apparently taken out of
her control too," I have no idea what this means. She remains the legal
author, remains the copyright owner, remains the person to whom
royalties will go after expenses are paid. Not sure what "legalities"
Pamela is talking about.
Martin
Martin Shackelford
Martin
Barb Junkkarinen
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>I'm here to talk about the JFK case, and about Judyth as it relates to
>Oswald and the JFK case. I'm not here to satisfy idle curiosity about
>other matters.
>
>Martin
The test I mentioned is not "idle curiosity about other matters" ...
it is a claim she makes in her book that goes toward this big
supported scientist role that catapulted her into the whole scenario
in NO.
If ya didn't want her to have to discuss the claim, ya shouldn't have
let her make it in the book.
So, just exactly what sort of "blood sedimentation" test did she
develop to indicate cancer activity?
Should be very simple for her to answer.
Barb :-)
Barb Junkkarinen
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>You aren't exactly the typical student of the JFK assassination.
>I am satisfied with the people who are seriously studying the book.
>I don't pay much attention to "newsgroup commentators."
>
>Martin
Maybe you should have been paying attention to some things all along,
Martin.
pame...@mindspring.com
see it, she has had no voice in any of the legal aspects of it. She
has signed nothing, and has been involved in nothing. What and when
Judyth would receive something from the book is not determined by her.
So how should this be characterized?
Pamela
On 28 Jul 2006 10:49:23 -0400, Martin Shackelford
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
Grizzlie Antagonist
If she claimed to have flapped her arms and flown to the moon, your
readers might question that and might also naturally find themselves
questioning whether there was any truth to the story that she tells
about New Orleans 1963.
And if she claims to have been responsible for a number of medical
inventions that she really isn't responsible for, that also reflects on
her credibility.
Frans Lupschen
And I haven't forgotten who you are Martin, and your statement that I am
here solety to make trouble is FALSE, look at this Martin and others these
are Judyth's words, and what she thinks concerning her BOOK! (Shorten in
message):
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Dear Frans and Angie:
I am still having problems with Mr. Livingstone and have tried hard
to get my book back from his hands. Today will be the day when this
will happen, so now I am able to contact you. Before this, I
didn't want Mr. Livingstone or anyone else to know how to reach me
because he tried to sue me, he has threatened me, and he called the
police on you.
I have tried to explain to you before that the cab driver refused
to stay. I have been ill and without my diplomas and other things
that you still have, I was unable to get rehired after the summer,
so I could not stay on in Great britain.
I have returned to America to deal with Harry Livingstone and get
my book back.
Meanwhile, in the fall I will be working fulltime and at that time
can send you money to get some of my things back. I will pay you
extra money for your trouble, too.
***snip 2***
But I do not call police and do things like that. yes, I run, I
have saved my life and helped people by leaving so their lives
could return to normal. Mr. Livingstone was harassing you and
called the police at least twice on you. He said he was going to
hsve a raid on your house. I had a very sick dog and things became
impossible.
I woukld inform Livingstone
that I was gone and we left on unhappy terms so he would never
bother you again. I always thought I'd have a chance to explain
things to you and how i felt i was getting you off the hook.
***snip 3***
. Knowing that Livingstone might call the police on you
and then Angie might have a problem seeing her sons again, this was
also a concern.
When I got to England I learned that Livingstone decided to sue me.
he wsas trying to find out where i was to deliver papers to take my
book away and say it was his. I made it impossible for him to
locate me, but this meant I could only communicate with Wim and
others through emails just once that I never used again.
This account is different.
I have established it because Harry Livingstone can't get into it,
or anybody else. It can be private between just you and me. I will
also let Wim use this with us, if you agree.
However, I want to stress that I have had a hard time also with my
health problems, and have finally had to return to the US to get
some medical treatment. This has taken up most of my time and
strength. Suzi got her operation as well and has just recovered.
She had sixteen ounces of stones in her bladder, poor dog! A whole
pile of them you couldn't hold it all in your hand!
*** snip 4***
I hope to get the evidence book back soon and in September can send
you money to ship it and the sciencew fiction stories, dad's voice
on tape, grandma's painting, and my diploimas, which I need. My
dissertation, that can come later.
In the meantime, please ask me any questions on your mind and let
us see if we can get things straightened out. Mr. Livingstone has
been stalking me, threatening me, and in general making life
HEL(L() (... his initials are HEL!
I am hoping both of you are OK. I have not told anybody except
Howard and Syd about you, not a soul. I had to tell my sister
Lynda, I will be staying at her house for a few weeks and then
moving on to stay with Josiah, and then wiht my daughter, and then
will start working at a college teaching English.
When I have saved enough money, by Christmas, I can come back to
see you.
I have worked on the screenplay and now have 70 minutes. It will be
copyrighted , the book got copuyrighted at last and is now safe
from Livingstone.
This email address is secure so nobody can trace you or I speaking
to each other. if you do not know about hushmail, now is your
chance to try it for anytime you want to have an untraceable and
encrypted messaging arrangement.
I believe this email adress is secure and Livingstone or his
attorney and Bob Vernon and his attorney cannot trace me through
it.
Please talk to me and tell me how you are. I'm sorry I had to wait
so long, but I have had other problems, not the least my own poor
health, to deal with. Livingstone gave me twenty-four hours to
respond to his latest demand to hand over the final chapter, which
I have refused to do, or he will sue me. Well, he has to find me! I
refused to hand it over because he refused to allow me to see what
editing he had done on the book! I refused to allow him to publish
the book unless I could see the final edit. This he refused to do.
So he is sueing me.
I have a lawyer working for me for free because Livingstone was so
rude to him!
I do not want this madman to bother you. After all this time, he
thinks we are no longer in contact, so I believe it is now safe and
that no policre will bother you. If you like, I will send the email
messaage where he told me to call the police on you. That's all he
ever thinks about. He's been harrassing me for months and I believe
he now has forgotten about you and you are now safe from him. Had I
stayed with you, the police would have been there more than once by
now giving you problems and embarrassing you.
The day I left he said he was calling them in and I wrote back and
said I was leavoing IMMEDIATELY so it would do no good. I then
went to Haarlem and hid out there and got Suzie help.
I will send the vet money but need his address. i will pay that
bill off in Septembetr when I get my first paycheck, don;t worry, i
will make sure to do that.
Take care of yourselves and I hope the summer heat is not too much
for you there with those fans to help/
Best wishes,
Judyth
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***end snips***
> There isn't much here to respond to, so I won't waste anyone's time.
>
> At one point, she mistakenly thought the copyright was in Harry
> Livingstone's name. That wasn't true. It was always in her name. An error
> on the Trafford site listed Harry as the book's author. As soon as we
> learned of it, the error was corrected. When confusion like this occurred,
> there was sometimes strong language on both sides.
>
> I know about ALL of the various stages of the manuscript, from the letters
> to her son, to the first manuscript. to the version with Howard, to the
> expanded manuscript, to the edited manuscript.
>
> There is a lot of muddled language and thinking in the rest of Frans'
> message. I haven't forgotten who he is--I know that very well. He is here
> solely to make trouble--and it's a waste of time.
And Martin, mistakes, I don't think so, Judy got forced, I am sending this
in this newsgroup so they know the truth NOT to build some trouble as you
said, proof it!
> Martin
Frans Lupschen
"Martin" <msh...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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Frans Lupschen
Martin.
Don't twist my words; don't even try, you said already to much regarding my
wife
Angie, so do I make myself clear enough?
Ohh and the messages are on his way to Files, this for your notification.
Frans
"Martin" <msh...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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JLeyd...@aol.com
it didn't apply, according to Judyth. She says it was "my book;
Shackelford's/Livingstone's way." Never would have happened if she could
have sold her book to a real publisher, not this cobbled-together
arrangement you devised. Let this be a lesson to all potential authors
out there. Be careful who you get involved with.
JGL
tims...@gmail.com
Hi Martin,
Well, I'll take that a back-handed compliment I guess. Not too sure what
you mean.
I hope those seriously studying Baker's book are aware that her account of
the Trade Mart leafletting has been thoroughly debunked, including by a
primary witness who was actually there. Still, if they are serious JFK
students the deficiencies in her account should be obvious to them.
As far as "newsgroup commentators" go, I note that a post from this very
newsgroup was used to explain the Cancun contradiction in Baker's book, so
it seems that Baker's project may pay attention to "newsgroup
commentators" if it suits the purposes of the project. Other times not, I
guess.
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
pame...@mindspring.com
>TOP POST
>
>Hi Martin,
>
>Well, I'll take that a back-handed compliment I guess. Not too sure what
>you mean.
>
>I hope those seriously studying Baker's book are aware that her account of
>the Trade Mart leafletting has been thoroughly debunked, including by a
>primary witness who was actually there.
I disagree. Dean Andrews didn't id the third girl at the time; that
was much later. In addition, nobody bothered to contact any of these
people to verify that they were the girls in the photograph. As far
as I am concerned, that door is still open.
And you include Rush as a 'primary witness', which is true of LHO, who
was identified to him, but not the women, about whom I don't think he
has expressed any knowledge.
> Still, if they are serious JFK
>students the deficiencies in her account should be obvious to them.
[...]
I still say the photo is intriguing. :-)
Pamela
Martin
never allowed her to see his final edit, though in a previous message
Frans mentioned that she had received it during the time she was staying
in their home.
The tone of her messages to Frans may have something to do with the fact
that she was still trying to recover her property from him.
Martin