October 4th - The Two Oswalds And Their Movements
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it's contents.....the most controversial part is 'the script' about
the conspiracy talk at the Carousel between Ruby and Oswald. That
little bone of contention was purportedly on October 4, 1963.
October 4 (Friday) - LEE Oswald in Alice, Texas
During the noon hour of October 4 LEE Oswald arrived at the Hill
Machinery Company in Alice, Texas and applied for a job. He filled
out an application and spoke with mechanics Leo Sepulveda and M.E.
Pope, who remembered the man gave his name as "Oswald" and listed his
Marine Corps service on his employment application. Pope described
Oswald as 30 years old, 5-foot-8, about 150 lbs, and recalled that his
wife waited for him in an old Plymouth or Chevrolet sedan. After the
assassination both Sepulveda and Pope sad the man accused of
assassinating President Kennedy was the same man they saw in Alice,
Texas on October 4. But HARVEY Oswald was in Dallas.
At 1:30 pm LEE Oswald returned to the KOPY radio statin and spoke with
Station Manager Sonny Steward and Traffic Manager Robert Janca.
Stewart recalled that Oswald arrived in an old model 1953 or 1954 car
and was unshaven, wore blue jeans, a sweatshirt, and said he ***just
arrived from Mexico.*** Oswald explained that he saw the radio
station's sign from his car while driving north on highway 281 and
decided to stop and inquire about a job, but did not say where he was
living. Stewart remembered that during the interview Oswald's wife
remained in the car with a 2-year old child. He told Oswald that his
wife was welcome to wait inside the station, but Oswald said that his
wife was unable to speak English.
After learning that KOPY had no positions available for a radio
announcer, Oswald did not bother to fill out an application. Before
leaving Oswald asked Stewart and Janca if there were any other radio
stations in the area where he might find work. The two men suggested
that he inquire at radio station KBOP in Pleasanton, Texas and at
another station in Sinton, Texas. Oswald and his family left KOPY and
were last seen driving north on highway 281 toward Pleasanton.
Following the assassination Stewart and Janca saw photographs of Lee
HARVEY Oswald and notified the FBI. They told agents the man in the
photograph was identical with the man who talked to them and applied
for a job at KOPY on October 4.
LEE Oswald and his "family" drove 80 miles north to Pleasanton, Texas
and telephoned KBOP radio. Oswald spoke with Mrs. Ben Parker and said
that he was looking for a job. She asked him to drive to the station
and visit with her husband, Dr. Ben Parker.
Dr. Parker did not know how Oswald arrived at his station or if he was
accompanied by anyone. He met with Oswald and described him as 5'7"
or 5'8" tall, in his mid-20's, with sandy hair and a rather dirty
appearance. When Parker told Oswald he had no employment for a radio
announcer, he got into his car and drove off. After leaving
Pleasanton, LEE Oswald drove north to Dallas, a distance of over 300
miles.
Both the FBI and WC were aware that "Lee Harvey Oswald' could not have
been in both Alice, Texas and Dallas, Texas on October 3rd and 4th at
the same time. Chief Justice Earl Warrent held up publication of the
Warren Report until the FBI completed their "investiagation" of the
incident in Alice, Texas, becase of potentially damaging political
issues. Alice was the home of poliical boss George Berham Parr and
the scene of the infamous "Box 13" scandal in 1948 where ballot box
manipulations gave 39-year old Lyndon Johnson a victory in the U.S.
Senate by 87 votes (out of 900,000 ballots). Any connection betwen
the accused assassin of President Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson's
political backyard would have been far more serious than the "Box 13"
scandal.
October 4 (Friday) - LEE Oswald arrives in Dallas
During the evening of October 4 LEE Oswald arrived in Dallas and drove
to the Carousel Club on Commerce Street about 10:00 pm. Oswald began
talking with Jack Ruby while Dallas Attorney Carroll Erskine Jarnagin
was talking to a showgirl named "Robin Hood" (real name Shirley
Mauldin) at an adjoining table. Jarnagin began listeing to the
conversation between the two men and heard the man he later identified
as Oswald say, "I just got in from New Orlean." Ruby replied, "I
noticed ***you hadn't been around in two or three weeks..."***
The WC says that (HARVEY) Oswald never knew Jack Ruby and was at Ruth
Paine's home in Irving, Texas during the evening of October 4. But
the Commission never realized that it was LEE Oswald who met with Ruby
on Octover 4, and had worked with Ruby throughout the summer and fall
of 1963.
When Ruby said, "I noticed you hadn't been around in two or three
weeks," he was talking to LEE Oswald, who was also seen by Cliff
Shasteen and Leonard Hutchison in September. HARVEY Oswald had not
been in Dallas for ***six months,*** since April 24, 1963, and never
met Ruby.
After listening casually to the conversation Jarnagin realized they
were talking about assassinationg the Governor of Texas, and then
began listening intently to their conversation. After the
assassination Jarnagin saw (HARVEY) Oswald's picture in the newspapers
and on television and recognized him as the man talking with Ruby at
the Carousel Club.
On December 3, 1963 Jarnagin prepared a lengthy statement detailing
the conversation he overheard between Ruby and Oswald on the evening
of October 4 and submitted it to the FBI. Jarnagin, like so many
other people, never realized that he mistakenly identified the accused
assassin (HARVEY Oswald) as the man he saw talking to Ruby (LEE
Oswald).
Wally Weston was the master of ceremonies at the Carousel and a good
friend of Ruby's Approximately 3 weeks before the assassination
Weston was on stage when a young man walked up and said, "I think
you're a Communist." Weston jumped off the stage and hit the man.
Ruby grabbed the man and said, "I told you never to come in here,"
and threw him out of the club. Drummer Billy Willis, wh witnessed the
confrontation, talked to Weston after the assassination and said,
"Wally, the best thing to do is stay out of it. Just keep your mouth
shut."
Karen "Little Lynn" Bennett Carlin and Kathy Kay worked at the
Carousel and saw LEE Oswald at the club on several occasions. Beverly
Oliver, who in 1963 worked as a singer for the Colony Club, visited
the Carousel on numerous occasions. She remembered having coffee with
Ruby when he introduced her to Oswald and said, "I'd like you to mee
my friend, LEE Oswald, who works for the CIA."
"Pixie Lynn" (real name Helen Kay Smith), who also worked at the
Carousel , told the Dallas Police that she saw Ruby and Oswald
together on several occassions.
LEE Oswald in Irving.
In the fall of 1963 barber and Irving City councilman Cliff Shasteen
saw LEE Oswald at several Irving locations including Williamsburg's
Drug Store and Hutchison's Grocery. Leonard Hutchiston owned a
grocery store across the street from Shasteen's barbershop and said
that Oswald visited his store twice a week beginning in August or
September (while HARVEY and Marina were still in New Orleans).
Hutchison told the WC, "I came back from out of the country trip in
September; so it (Oswald's visits to his store) wold have had to have
started in late September...I'm not there very often on Saturday
morning because I work Saturday nights...Sunday morning is very quiet,
sir. I think I'd have recognized him on Sunday."
By eliminating Saturdays and Sundays, Leonard Hutchison determined
that Oswald visited his store during the ***weekdays.*** He said, "I
open at 7:00 o'clock in the morning and I would say it was between
7:20 and 7:45 am becasue it was-it (Oswalds' visits) just ***got to be
routine***....what I remember so vividly is that it was milk (a gallon
glass jug with a handle) and cinnamon rolls early in the morning."
Only LEE Oswald could have ***routinely*** visited Hutchison's store
during weekdays in October, between 7:20 and 7:45 am, because HARVEY
was living in Oak Cliff.
Hutchison described Oswald as 21 or 22 years old, 155 to 160 lbs,
shabbily dressed, with ***dark brown hair*** (Shasteen described
Oswald's hair as black) that was ***always cut and neatly combed***
(Harvey's hair was medium brown and shaggy). Hutchison said that
Oswald's trips to his grocery store averaged about *once every three
days.*
October 4 (Friday) - HARVEY Oswald in Dallas
On October 4, while LEE Oswald was looking for work in Alice, Texas,
HARVEY Oswald checked out of the YMCA and began looking for work in
Dallas. He visited the JOBCO Employment Agency at 612 Adolphus Tower,
where he filled out an application and was interviewed by Ray Randuk.
Oswald told Randuk he was a former Marine, listed George DeMorenshildt
as is best friend, and said he did not have a car.
The same day, in response to a newspaper advertisement, Oswald,
applied for a job with Padgett Printing Corporation at 7903 Mohawk
Drive. He was interviewed by the plant manager, Frank Gangl, who
remembered Oswald was well dressed, neat, and made a favorable
impression on the plant foreman. During the interview Gangl learned
that Oswald had worked for JCS and called his friend, Robert Stovall,
for a reference. Stovall told Gangl that Oswald had not gotten along
well with co-workers and had not adapted himself to the assigned
work. Gangl later telephoned Oswald at the Paine's home and told him
they had hired someone else with better qualifications.
Later in the afternoon HARVEY Oswald telephoned Marina and said that
Mrs. Paine could pick him up and drive him to Irving. Marina said
that Mrs. Paine had just given blood at Parkland Hospital and was
unable to contact her. Oswald then hitchhiked to Irving and arrived
late afternoon with a medium sized valise that cntained his clean and
dirty clothes.
When Mrs. Paine returned home Oswald told her that he had been
looking for work in Houston but was unable to find a job, and also
said that he had been in Dallas ***for a few days.*** According to
Mrs. Paine (HARVEY) Oswald spent the night of October 4th, 5th, and
6th at her home in Irving.
On October 4, 1963 with LEE Oswald in Dallas and HARVEY Oswald in
Irving, Texas, the "mystery man" was photographed outside of the
Soviet Embassy for the second time. The Mexico City station
identified this man as "Lee Harvey Oswald."
CJ
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