Aguilar's Anti-Catholic Prejudice
John Mcadams
In article <4js41c$b...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> bd11...@ix.netcom.com
(None) writes:
>In <lpeaseDo...@netcom.com> lpe...@netcom.com (Lisa Pease) writes:
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>>From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 3/24/96, quote On:
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>>Last fall, participants in an assassination discussion group
>complained
>>to the Roman Catholic university about McAdams' profane references to
>>them on computer bulletin boards. Gary Aguilar, a San Francisco surgeon,
>>said he contacted MU after McAdams asked him to respond to charges that
>>he had used drugs. Aguilar vehemently denies using drugs.
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>>"He's extremely mean-spirited," Aguilar said. "What academic purpose can
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>>be served by calling people these names? I find it peculiar in the
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>>extreme that a professor at Marquette University, a Catholic institution,
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>>would do this."
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Aguilar of course failed to tell the JOURNAL-SENTINEL reporter that I
asked him to respond to charges that where all over the e-mail circuit,
and that I expressed extreme skepticism about the changes in my post to him.
What is more striking is that Aguilar would play the "Catholic card" with
the JOURNAL-SENTINEL reporter. Aguilar's views on Catholicism are not
secret -- except to the JOURNAL-SENTINEL.
On the Compuserve Politics Forum, Aguilar posted the following two messages:
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#: 357713 S7/JFK Debate
21-May-95 14:39:46
Sb: #Klotz and Christics, #9
Fm: Gary L. Aguilar 73653,2623
To: John C. Klotz 73562,2604 (X)
Dear John,
As a young whelp being whipped into shape by rabid anticommunist Catholic
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parents, I often heard the expression, "liberation thelogy" bellowed like
the war cry of mastadons calling across a primeval gorge. Nothing was more
insidious and invidious than that dangerous view. Conjoining the forces of
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the CIA with the Catholic church in places like Guatemala, El Salvador,
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Chile, etc, it has become the unofficial American policy to root out not
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only democratically elected leaders such as Allende and Arbenez, but also
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to act as the Catholic church's shock troops to root out heresy in support
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of the pope's infallible whim. Presumably what the Catholic church lacks
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is more of the priests described by former Argentine murderers -the
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priests who consoled the murderers upon returning with guilty consciences
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from flights in which they threw out into the sea their drugged political
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opponents, some of whom were teenagers. Or perhaps they need more of the
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kind of prelates who supported the severe civil penalties exacted against
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Galileo for his heretical notion that the Church's geocentric universe was
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in error. No the church has shown only cowardice lately. Why even current
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popes are cowards - John Paul II retracted the chruch's 17th-century
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denunciation of Galileo. How could the church have abandoned the
considered wisdom of the ages, after forcing Gal's retraction 300+ years
ago, and only now caving-in to the forces of godless modernism. Only
cynics will believe it was an outrage for an organization to wait 300+
years to right a wrong. After all, only idiots, like Copernicus, believe
the earth is not the center of God's universe.
As an example of the kind of dangerous apostasy in the world today it was
noted in "The Economist" (4/29/95) that, "to argue, as the pope does, that
all chruch teaching - known collectively as the 'ordinary magisterium' -
requires absolute aceptance seems absurd given the extent to which parts
of the magisterium have changed over time. Once, the roman Catholic chruch
banned artistic images of Christ, prohibited the payment of interest,
allowed priests to marry and expected inquisitors to torture.(apparently
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they still do in Guatemala and Argentina. Thank god some good christian
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soldiers put those commie jesuits and nuns out of their misery!)... A 1907
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encyclical condemning "modernism' is now regarding as an embarrassment at
best." "Thus, for John Paul to say in the late 20th century that a
judgment must be "definitively held" cannot make it so..."
It is endless fascinating, isn't it?
Gary
There is 1 Reply.
#: 358091 S7/JFK Debate
22-May-95 03:04:18
Sb: #357812-Klotz and Christics, #9
Fm: Gary L. Aguilar 73653,2623
To: John C. Klotz 73562,2604 (X)
My dearest John,
You wrote eloquently and sincerely and, having met you briefly, I trust
your good faith. I, too, was raised Catholic, educated Catholic, and while
I am not Catholic now for reasons having to do with epistemology, quantum
mechanics and theology, I have the warmest kindred spirit with Catholics
of "your stripe". I mean no harm toward sincerely held belief, of whatever
fashion.
You anticipated my thoughts on the hideous history of "The Church" in
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secreting Nazi's away from their proper accounting at Neuremberg for WW II
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atrocities, as belabored in John Loftus and Mark AArons' "The Unholy
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Trinity", and "The Secret War Against the Jews". And "The Church's"
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abominable behavior with respect to Galileo puts me off to this day.
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The "liberation theologists" in Central and So. America have gotten a bum
rap, IMHO. I'm a paid-up, Cato Institute-member libertarian, and am no foe
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of Capitalism, as anyone who has played tennis on my private court, or who
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has swum in my idyllic, private pool/spa will attest. Nonetheless, the
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"socialist" ideals of the "liberation theologists" are no different than
the standard "socialist" practices in places like Sweden, Norway or
England, IMHO. The idea is that plutocrats, like the Central and South
American ones supported with drawn bayonets by the good 'ole US of A,
should not be allowed to murder peasants at will -=as they apparently are
with American "consultative" help. What a revolutionary idea!!!
Lets face the fact that we've toppled governments that were far more
democratic than the resultant one's we later supported - in Guatemala and
Chile, and perhaps in other places as well. We've sent, according to the
copious citations I have at my fingertips, 'AGENTS' to subvert the 'will'
of the people, only to defend the will of our multinational companies'
boards of trustees (ITT International, for example, in Chile). Perhaps if
we did so with no bloodshed, it'd be "O.K." But we don't. An estimated
140,000 in Guatemala alone have been massacred, and by people for whom
we've played patsy. And countless others in other Central and South
American countries.
The Catholic idealists you describe have usually never known the pleasures
of money ("won" from successful real estate investing) the way I have,
they've just known the sorrow of man's inhumanity to man. For their
protest they've been raped and murdered by men sometimes on the US
payroll, as in the cases of Gramajo and Alpirez in Guatemala, and our
"clients" in El Salvador. The ideals of these Catholics are pure, I
expect. The cynical rapacity of America's complicity in aiding and
abbeting their rapes and murders is the enemy, IMHO.
With no intent to harm I remain,
Very sincerely yours,
Gary
PS You may occasionally find I am a tad mordant with others on this
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bulletin board, but only with those whose good faith I distrust.
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Now, finally, some e-mail I got from Aguilar recently. I *think* he
intended to post this publicly. If not, this was harrassing e-mail.
The context: I was sarcastically describing Lisa Pease' attack on Deb
Conway for posting on alt.conspiracy.jfk.moderated.
At that point, Gerry jumped in.
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>From gar...@ix.netcom.com Sat Feb 24 03:20 CST 1996
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:20:25 -0800
Message-Id: <1996022409...@ix12.ix.netcom.com>
From: gar...@ix.netcom.com (Gary Aguilar)
Subject: Re: Vogue/Oswald
To: jmca...@earth.execpc.com (John Mcadams)
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John writes, inter alia, (see below):
>>She goes on a "list" if she doesn't take orders from Lisa Pease, since
for Lisa (and others like her) this isn't a political issue. It's not
an historical debate. It's a religious crusade. And one doesn't accept
the existence of heretics. One banishes heretics. One silences heretics.
.John<<
Is it not just too obvious that Professor McAdams teaches at a
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**Catholic** university?
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Would one be right assuming, given McAdams' obvious reverence for
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dispellers of 'heretics', and his duty to promote ethical behavior at a
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religiouis university, that the Marquette professor is a moral object
lesson to the principled and the youth?
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So the Gary Aguilar who spews venon at the mere mention of the Catholic
Church wil, when it serves his purpose, intone piously about a "Catholic
University."
.John