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Ben Holmes

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Feb 6, 2023, 5:20:35 PM2/6/23
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>All right you group of nuts, as all of you know I get no end of
>amusement looking into the deranged minds of conspiracy kooks. Here
>is another chance for you to explain something from your demented
>viewpoint.


You know you're dealing with a moron when he begins with logical
fallacies...


>Why was the secret service agent cleaning out the back of the
>limousine at Parkland hospital in full view of camermen and
>eyewitnesses?


Because they'd never face prison time for destroying evidence.


> Personally, I see this an innocent act to remove the
>gore and mayhem caused by LHO's two bullets that struck the President
>before the limousine could be photographed close up.


This is, of course, nearly a textbook description of the destruction
of evidence in a murder case.

And Steve doesn't even blink when he posts such nonsense.


> How do you group of nuts explain this event?


It's obvious.


>I have some follow-up comments after a few of the mental patients have
>their moment in the spotlight.


This, of course, is the wack job who pretended he was teaching a
college course on the JFK assassination...

But doesn't understand the preservation of evidence at a murder scene.

Ben Holmes

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Feb 20, 2023, 12:00:18 PM2/20/23
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Bump.

Gil Jesus

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Feb 22, 2023, 5:53:37 AM2/22/23
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Ask FIFI where we can see those pictures and videos of the SS men cleaning out the limo at Parkland Hospital.
Because pictures of the limo in the White House garage show the "gore and mayhem" to still be there in the back seat.
Teaching a college course on the assassination, indeed. LOL.

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/ce353.jpg
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/limo_blood.jpg




Sky Throne 19efppp

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Feb 22, 2023, 7:34:45 AM2/22/23
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This photo and its caption is probably the source for the belief that the Secret Service cleaned up the backseat gore. Maybe its from the Trask book. https://postimg.cc/5QtnWJpZ

Mark Ulrik

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Feb 22, 2023, 8:22:45 AM2/22/23
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Yeah, probably taken from POTP, but in any event a pretty well-known Stoughton photo. Ben will be heartbroken to discover that his LOL'ing fellow traveller Gil was oblivious to it.

Gil Jesus

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Feb 22, 2023, 9:44:26 AM2/22/23
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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:34:45 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> This photo and its caption is probably the source for the belief that the Secret Service cleaned up the backseat gore. Maybe its from the Trask book. https://postimg.cc/5QtnWJpZ

How do you know that bucket wasn't used to hold the bolts to put the top together ?
You see someone in that picture with a sponge or rag ?

The car wasn't cleaned. Photos from the garage prove that.

Gil Jesus

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Feb 22, 2023, 9:45:27 AM2/22/23
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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:22:45 AM UTC-5, Mark Ulrik wrote:
> onsdag den 22. februar 2023 kl. 13.34.45 UTC+1 skrev Sky Throne 19efppp:

>Ben will be heartbroken to discover that his LOL'ing fellow traveller Gil was oblivious to it.

Tell your CIA buddies I've forgotten more about this case than you'll ever know.

Sky Throne 19efppp

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Feb 22, 2023, 9:48:29 AM2/22/23
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I never said the car was cleaned.

Ben Holmes

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Feb 22, 2023, 10:07:03 AM2/22/23
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The car wasn't cleaned *enough*. It could have not been touched at
all, or it may have started and not finished. But the evidence is
quite extensive that it was the cleaning of the limo that the bucket
was for:

****************************************************************
1) "The Way We Were-1963: The Year Kennedy Was Shot" by Robert MacNeil
(1988, Carrol & Graf), p. 197: "The president's car was there
[Parkland Hospital], still at the point where it had pulled up, and
they had taken the president out into that emergency entrance...I
remember that the Secret Service men were then STARTING TO MOP UP THE
BACK SEAT OF THE BIG LINCOLN THE PRESIDENT WAS PUT IN, and a few
minutes later they started putting the fabric top on it. And when I
went over to look at it a little closer, one of the agents waved me
aside and said, 'You can't look.' Later, of course, it seemed ironic
that this wall of protection went up when it of course could do no
good...";

2) 21 H 226---Parkland Hospital Orderly Joe L. Richards: asked to get
a bucket of water; he complied;

3) 21 H 217---Nurse Shirley Randall: was asked if she "would get
someone to come and wash the blood out of the car." She said that she
would, but was so nervous and excited she forgot about it;

4) "Time" Magazine, 11/29/63, p. 24---reporter Hugh Sidey: "A guard
was set up around the Lincoln as Secret Service men got a pail of
water and tried to wash the blood from the car.";

5) ABC, 11/22/63---reporter Don Gardner: "Outside the hospital, blood
had to be wiped from the limousine";

6) "New York Times", 11/23/63, p. 2---reporter Tom Wicker: "...the
police were guarding the Presidential car closely. A bucket of water
stood by the car, suggesting that the back seat had been scrubbed
out.";

7) "The Day Kennedy Was Shot" by Jim Bishop, p. 352 [1992 edition]:
"...the Secret Service detail was sorry that hospital orderlies had
sponged it [the limousine] out.";

8) "The Death of a President" by William Manchester, p. 180n [1988
edition]: "An inaccurate [?] story reported that they washed out the
back seat with a bucket of water. Actually, this was contemplated.";

9) 18 H 731-732---SS Agent Sam Kinney; 18 H 763-764---SS Agent George
Hickey: the two agents who put on the bubbletop---with the assistance
of a DPD motorcycle officer---at Parkland: they are pictured in the
infamous photos/films of the bucket beside the limousine: "JFK
Assassination File" by DPD Chief Jesse Curry, p. 36 (see also p. 34:
same photo, different angle in UPI's "Four Days", p. 25); Texas News
newsreel ("Kennedy In Texas" video); WFAA/ ABC video 11/22/63; Cooper/
Sturges film; for the bucket still photo:
http://www.primenet.com/~pamelam/jfk.html [inc. photo of rear seat of
limo at White House Garage 11/22/63]
http://www.historyplace.com/kennedy/jfkpix/hospthp.jpg


Vince Palamara :-)
****************************************************************

Obviously, Vince went a little to far with some of these - some aren't
nearly as valuable evidence as others, but the evidence CLEARLY shows
the intent of the S.S. immediately after the assassination.

I agree that if it was started, it didn't succeed - but it's hard to
tell what is no longer there...

P.S. When Chickenshit first saw this information, he suggested that
the S.S. was concerned with flies...

Bud

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Feb 22, 2023, 10:51:48 AM2/22/23
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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:07:03 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 06:44:24 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
> <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:34:45 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> >> This photo and its caption is probably the source for the belief that the Secret Service cleaned up the backseat gore. Maybe its from the Trask book. https://postimg.cc/5QtnWJpZ
> >
> >How do you know that bucket wasn't used to hold the bolts to put the top together ?
> >You see someone in that picture with a sponge or rag ?
> >
> >The car wasn't cleaned. Photos from the garage prove that.
> The car wasn't cleaned *enough*. It could have not been touched at
> all, or it may have started and not finished. But the evidence is
> quite extensive that it was the cleaning of the limo that the bucket
> was for:

Thwart the gawkers. But they realized putting the bubble top on would do the same thing.
Probably in jest, but that is still better then your idea that it was done to tamper with evidence.

Mark Ulrik

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Feb 22, 2023, 2:30:13 PM2/22/23
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They ask me if I believe arrests are imminent. What shouldI I tell them?

Ben Holmes

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Feb 22, 2023, 2:34:03 PM2/22/23
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 07:51:47 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:07:03 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 06:44:24 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
>> <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:34:45 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
>>>> This photo and its caption is probably the source for the belief that the Secret Service cleaned up the backseat gore. Maybe its from the Trask book. https://postimg.cc/5QtnWJpZ
>>>
>>>How do you know that bucket wasn't used to hold the bolts to put the top together ?
>>>You see someone in that picture with a sponge or rag ?
>>>
>>>The car wasn't cleaned. Photos from the garage prove that.
>> The car wasn't cleaned *enough*. It could have not been touched at
>> all, or it may have started and not finished. But the evidence is
>> quite extensive that it was the cleaning of the limo that the bucket
>> was for:
>
> Thwart the gawkers. But they realized putting the bubble top on would do the same thing.


Speculation is the believer's best friend.
Mine is supported by the evidence. You'rs isn't.

You lose.

Bud

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Feb 22, 2023, 3:33:39 PM2/22/23
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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 07:51:47 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:07:03 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 06:44:24 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
> >> <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:34:45 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> >>>> This photo and its caption is probably the source for the belief that the Secret Service cleaned up the backseat gore. Maybe its from the Trask book. https://postimg.cc/5QtnWJpZ
> >>>
> >>>How do you know that bucket wasn't used to hold the bolts to put the top together ?
> >>>You see someone in that picture with a sponge or rag ?
> >>>
> >>>The car wasn't cleaned. Photos from the garage prove that.
> >> The car wasn't cleaned *enough*. It could have not been touched at
> >> all, or it may have started and not finished. But the evidence is
> >> quite extensive that it was the cleaning of the limo that the bucket
> >> was for:
> >
> > Thwart the gawkers. But they realized putting the bubble top on would do the same thing.
> Speculation is the believer's best friend.

You speculate that was designed to harm investigation. At least my speculation makes sense.
You`re doesn`t make sense. In what why did the cleaning hamper the investigation? What investigator said that information needed for the investigation was lost?

> You lose.

Bud

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Feb 22, 2023, 4:07:45 PM2/22/23
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On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 5:20:35 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >All right you group of nuts, as all of you know I get no end of
> >amusement looking into the deranged minds of conspiracy kooks. Here
> >is another chance for you to explain something from your demented
> >viewpoint.
>
>
> You know you're dealing with a moron when he begins with logical
> fallacies...
>
>
> >Why was the secret service agent cleaning out the back of the
> >limousine at Parkland hospital in full view of camermen and
> >eyewitnesses?
>
>
> Because they'd never face prison time for destroying evidence.

Wrong, The correct answer is that they didn`t hide their actions because they knew they weren`t criminal.

> > Personally, I see this an innocent act to remove the
> >gore and mayhem caused by LHO's two bullets that struck the President
> >before the limousine could be photographed close up.
>
>
> This is, of course, nearly a textbook description of the destruction
> of evidence in a murder case.
>
> And Steve doesn't even blink when he posts such nonsense.

This is a conspiracy hobbyist dismissing the truth so he can speculate possibilities many times more fantastic.

> > How do you group of nuts explain this event?
>
>
> It's obvious.

But as usual you are too cowardly to spell out your idea.

> >I have some follow-up comments after a few of the mental patients have
> >their moment in the spotlight.
>
>
> This, of course, is the wack job who pretended he was teaching a
> college course on the JFK assassination...
>
> But doesn't understand the preservation of evidence at a murder scene.

What of evidential value was destroyed?

Bud

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Feb 22, 2023, 4:30:47 PM2/22/23
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<snicker> Nice logo!

Ben Holmes

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Mar 8, 2023, 9:04:08 AM3/8/23
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:33:38 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 07:51:47 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:07:03 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 06:44:24 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
>>>> <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:34:45 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
>>>>>> This photo and its caption is probably the source for the belief that the Secret Service cleaned up the backseat gore. Maybe its from the Trask book. https://postimg.cc/5QtnWJpZ
>>>>>
>>>>>How do you know that bucket wasn't used to hold the bolts to put the top together ?
>>>>>You see someone in that picture with a sponge or rag ?
>>>>>
>>>>>The car wasn't cleaned. Photos from the garage prove that.
>>>> The car wasn't cleaned *enough*. It could have not been touched at
>>>> all, or it may have started and not finished. But the evidence is
>>>> quite extensive that it was the cleaning of the limo that the bucket
>>>> was for:
>>>
>>> Thwart the gawkers. But they realized putting the bubble top on would do the same thing.
>>
>> Speculation is the believer's best friend.
>
> You speculate...


None needed.
Only to a moron.


> In what why did the cleaning hamper the investigation? What
> investigator said that information needed for the investigation was
> lost?

I've oft noted that when believers get flustered, their grammar goes
downhill.

I wrote the answer to your two questions down on a piece of paper. I
then erased it. You can respond to it anytime you want.


>> You lose.

Ben Holmes

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Mar 8, 2023, 9:05:44 AM3/8/23
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 13:07:44 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

>On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 5:20:35?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>All right you group of nuts, as all of you know I get no end of
>>>amusement looking into the deranged minds of conspiracy kooks. Here
>>>is another chance for you to explain something from your demented
>>>viewpoint.
>>
>>
>> You know you're dealing with a moron when he begins with logical
>> fallacies...
>>
>>
>>>Why was the secret service agent cleaning out the back of the
>>>limousine at Parkland hospital in full view of camermen and
>>>eyewitnesses?
>>
>>
>> Because they'd never face prison time for destroying evidence.
>
> Wrong, The correct answer is that they didn`t hide their actions
> because they knew they weren`t criminal.


Only a moron like Chickenshit is willing to clam that cleaning up the
scene of a murder isn't criminal.

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/tampering-with-evidence.html


Watch folks, as Chickenshit refuses to cite for his lie.


>>> Personally, I see this an innocent act to remove the
>>>gore and mayhem caused by LHO's two bullets that struck the President
>>>before the limousine could be photographed close up.
>>
>> This is, of course, nearly a textbook description of the destruction
>> of evidence in a murder case.
>>
>> And Steve doesn't even blink when he posts such nonsense.

Logical fallacy deleted.

>>> How do you group of nuts explain this event?
>>
>> It's obvious.
>
> But as usual you are too cowardly to spell out your idea.


I already did - above. Too stupid to read?


>>>I have some follow-up comments after a few of the mental patients have
>>>their moment in the spotlight.
>>
>> This, of course, is the wack job who pretended he was teaching a
>> college course on the JFK assassination...
>>
>> But doesn't understand the preservation of evidence at a murder scene.
>
> What of evidential value was destroyed?

I wrote down the answer on a piece of paper... then I erased it. Good
luck responding to it!

Bud

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Mar 8, 2023, 8:27:25 PM3/8/23
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On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:05:44 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 13:07:44 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
> wrote:
> >On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 5:20:35?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>All right you group of nuts, as all of you know I get no end of
> >>>amusement looking into the deranged minds of conspiracy kooks. Here
> >>>is another chance for you to explain something from your demented
> >>>viewpoint.
> >>
> >>
> >> You know you're dealing with a moron when he begins with logical
> >> fallacies...
> >>
> >>
> >>>Why was the secret service agent cleaning out the back of the
> >>>limousine at Parkland hospital in full view of camermen and
> >>>eyewitnesses?
> >>
> >>
> >> Because they'd never face prison time for destroying evidence.
> >
> > Wrong, The correct answer is that they didn`t hide their actions
> > because they knew they weren`t criminal.
> Only a moron like Chickenshit is willing to clam that cleaning up the
> scene of a murder isn't criminal.
>
> https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/tampering-with-evidence.html

Begged and circular. You haven`t shown a criminal intent to tamper with evidence and you haven`t shown that the investigation was hampered in any way by the cleaning that was done.

> Watch folks, as Chickenshit refuses to cite for his lie.

Yet it is still the correct answer. The criminality exists only in your imagination, not in the real world.

> >>> Personally, I see this an innocent act to remove the
> >>>gore and mayhem caused by LHO's two bullets that struck the President
> >>>before the limousine could be photographed close up.
> >>
> >> This is, of course, nearly a textbook description of the destruction
> >> of evidence in a murder case.
> >>
> >> And Steve doesn't even blink when he posts such nonsense.
> Logical fallacy deleted.

This is what Ben removed because it caused him to tinkle in his panties...

"This is a conspiracy hobbyist dismissing the truth so he can speculate possibilities many times more fantastic."

Ben hates the truth.

> >>> How do you group of nuts explain this event?
> >>
> >> It's obvious.
> >
> > But as usual you are too cowardly to spell out your idea.
> I already did - above. Too stupid to read?

Are you too cowardly to spell out your ideas?

How did the cleaning hinder the investigation?

> >>>I have some follow-up comments after a few of the mental patients have
> >>>their moment in the spotlight.
> >>
> >> This, of course, is the wack job who pretended he was teaching a
> >> college course on the JFK assassination...
> >>
> >> But doesn't understand the preservation of evidence at a murder scene.
> >
> > What of evidential value was destroyed?
> I wrote down the answer on a piece of paper... then I erased it. Good
> luck responding to it!

Just *saying* that there was something of evidential value that was lost is just as good as showing it, even better to a conspiracy hobbyist.

I don`t remember anyone involved in the investigation who thought the cleaning of the limo hindered the investigation, just something crackpots on the internet dream up.


Bud

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Mar 8, 2023, 8:33:29 PM3/8/23
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On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:04:08 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:33:38 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 07:51:47 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:07:03 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 06:44:24 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
> >>>> <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:34:45 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> >>>>>> This photo and its caption is probably the source for the belief that the Secret Service cleaned up the backseat gore. Maybe its from the Trask book. https://postimg.cc/5QtnWJpZ
> >>>>>
> >>>>>How do you know that bucket wasn't used to hold the bolts to put the top together ?
> >>>>>You see someone in that picture with a sponge or rag ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The car wasn't cleaned. Photos from the garage prove that.
> >>>> The car wasn't cleaned *enough*. It could have not been touched at
> >>>> all, or it may have started and not finished. But the evidence is
> >>>> quite extensive that it was the cleaning of the limo that the bucket
> >>>> was for:
> >>>
> >>> Thwart the gawkers. But they realized putting the bubble top on would do the same thing.
> >>
> >> Speculation is the believer's best friend.
> >
> > You speculate...
>
>
> None needed.

Yet you do anyway.

You speculate that the cleaning was done to do harm to the investigation.
Make sense of it then. They are taking a great risk to accomplish what?

> > In what why did the cleaning hamper the investigation? What
> > investigator said that information needed for the investigation was
> > lost?
> I've oft noted that when believers get flustered, their grammar goes
> downhill.
>
> I wrote the answer to your two questions down on a piece of paper. I
> then erased it. You can respond to it anytime you want.

Looks like neither of us knows what could possibly be worth the risk. Which is why the idea doesn`t make sense.

>
> >> You lose.

Hank Sienzant

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Mar 9, 2023, 2:21:49 PM3/9/23
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On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:05:44 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 13:07:44 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
> wrote:
> >On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 5:20:35?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>All right you group of nuts, as all of you know I get no end of
> >>>amusement looking into the deranged minds of conspiracy kooks. Here
> >>>is another chance for you to explain something from your demented
> >>>viewpoint.
> >>
> >>
> >> You know you're dealing with a moron when he begins with logical
> >> fallacies...
> >>
> >>
> >>>Why was the secret service agent cleaning out the back of the
> >>>limousine at Parkland hospital in full view of camermen and
> >>>eyewitnesses?
> >>
> >>
> >> Because they'd never face prison time for destroying evidence.
> >
> > Wrong, The correct answer is that they didn`t hide their actions
> > because they knew they weren`t criminal.
> Only a moron like Chickenshit is willing to clam that cleaning up the
> scene of a murder isn't criminal.

Begged Question LOGICAL FALLACY.

Show that in 1963 blood spatter was considered evidence. There was no doubt whose blood it was in the back seat of the limo, was there? It was JFK’s.

If you can’t establish that blood spatter was considered evidence in 1963, then your argument that cleaning the limo of the blood is criminal destruction of evidence falls apart.

Ben is like the snowflake that wants to judge Lincoln by today’s extreme leftist standards, rather than by standards of Lincoln’s time.



>
> https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/tampering-with-evidence.html
>
>
> Watch folks, as Chickenshit refuses to cite for his lie.
> >>> Personally, I see this an innocent act to remove the
> >>>gore and mayhem caused by LHO's two bullets that struck the President
> >>>before the limousine could be photographed close up.
> >>
> >> This is, of course, nearly a textbook description of the destruction
> >> of evidence in a murder case.

What evidence was destroyed that was considered evidence in 1963?

Sky Throne 19efppp

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Oh, isn't that cute! Hank is a right wing moral relativist! No wonder he loves murderers!

Ben Holmes

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Mar 9, 2023, 2:51:50 PM3/9/23
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 11:21:48 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:05:44?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 13:07:44 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 5:20:35?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>All right you group of nuts, as all of you know I get no end of
>>>>>amusement looking into the deranged minds of conspiracy kooks. Here
>>>>>is another chance for you to explain something from your demented
>>>>>viewpoint.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know you're dealing with a moron when he begins with logical
>>>> fallacies...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Why was the secret service agent cleaning out the back of the
>>>>>limousine at Parkland hospital in full view of camermen and
>>>>>eyewitnesses?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because they'd never face prison time for destroying evidence.
>>>
>>> Wrong, The correct answer is that they didn`t hide their actions
>>> because they knew they weren`t criminal.
>>
>> Only a moron like Chickenshit is willing to clam that cleaning up the
>> scene of a murder isn't criminal.
>
>Begged Question LOGICAL FALLACY.


Looks like I was wrong. Chickenshit isn't the only moron...

Hank Sienzant

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Mar 9, 2023, 3:01:53 PM3/9/23
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Poisoning the well LOGICAL FALLACY.
Straw man argument LOGICAL FALLACY.
Ad hominem LOGICAL FALLACY.


> No wonder he loves murderers!

Poisoning the well LOGICAL FALLACY.
Straw man argument LOGICAL FALLACY.
Ad hominem LOGICAL FALLACY.

Note that Sky Thrones avoids the points entire, and taking a page from Ben’s book, resorts solely yo logical fallacies.

Hank Sienzant

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Ben resorts to deleting my argument, doesn’t attempt to rebut it or acknowledge it in any fashion, and calls me names. This is what Ben apparently considers as “having the evidence on his side”.

Ben Holmes

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Mar 9, 2023, 4:09:29 PM3/9/23
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 12:04:20 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<hsie...@aol.com> wrote:
>Ben ...

Not about me, Huckster. It's about you and Chickenshit's inability to
publicly acknowledge the same truth that ordinary people have no
trouble with.

Bud

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Mar 9, 2023, 4:28:04 PM3/9/23
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Ordinary people think you are a crackpot.

Hank Sienzant

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Mar 10, 2023, 6:02:33 PM3/10/23
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You’re the one avoiding the points made and deleting almost everything I write.

What I wrote, and you avoided:
Ben resorts to deleting my argument, doesn’t attempt to rebut it or acknowledge it in any fashion, and calls me names. This is what Ben apparently considers as “having the evidence on his side”.

That was after you deleted my points challenging you to document that blood spatter was considered evidence in 1963. You deleted that as well.


> It's about you and Chickenshit's inability to
> publicly acknowledge the same truth that ordinary people have no
> trouble with.

Begged Question LOGICAL FALLACY.

Show that there was destruction of evidence by wiping up any of the blood. You can start by citing a criminology book from 1963 or prior that discusses the importance of preserving blood spatter evidence, or even *mentioning blood spatter.

If it wasn’t recognized as evidence in 1963, there can’t be any crime committed for 5he supposed destruction of evidence.

Ball in your court, awaiting your evidence.

Or you can ignore your responsibility to support your assertions and just call me more names.


Ben Holmes

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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:02:31 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<hsie...@aol.com> wrote:
>You’re the one ...

Asking the questions that prove your cowardice.

Yes.

Ben Holmes

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On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:33:28 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:04:08?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 12:33:38 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 2:34:03 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 07:51:47 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:07:03 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 06:44:24 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
>>>>>> <gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:34:45 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
>>>>>>>> This photo and its caption is probably the source for the belief that the Secret Service cleaned up the backseat gore. Maybe its from the Trask book. https://postimg.cc/5QtnWJpZ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How do you know that bucket wasn't used to hold the bolts to put the top together ?
>>>>>>>You see someone in that picture with a sponge or rag ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The car wasn't cleaned. Photos from the garage prove that.
>>>>>> The car wasn't cleaned *enough*. It could have not been touched at
>>>>>> all, or it may have started and not finished. But the evidence is
>>>>>> quite extensive that it was the cleaning of the limo that the bucket
>>>>>> was for:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thwart the gawkers. But they realized putting the bubble top on would do the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> Speculation is the believer's best friend.
>>>
>>> You speculate...
>>
>> None needed.

Logical fallacy deleted.
Chickenshit proves himself a moron...


>>> In what why did the cleaning hamper the investigation? What
>>> investigator said that information needed for the investigation was
>>> lost?
>> I've oft noted that when believers get flustered, their grammar goes
>> downhill.
>>
>> I wrote the answer to your two questions down on a piece of paper. I
>> then erased it. You can respond to it anytime you want.
>
> Looks like...


You just got spanked!


>>>> You lose.

Ben Holmes

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 13:28:03 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:
If you had any honesty & courage, you'd be willing to put this to a
poll, and stand by the results.

But you don't.

Ben Holmes

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On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:27:23 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:05:44?AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 13:07:44 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 5:20:35?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:49:00 -0700 (PDT), Steve <sahi...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>All right you group of nuts, as all of you know I get no end of
>>>>>amusement looking into the deranged minds of conspiracy kooks. Here
>>>>>is another chance for you to explain something from your demented
>>>>>viewpoint.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know you're dealing with a moron when he begins with logical
>>>> fallacies...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Why was the secret service agent cleaning out the back of the
>>>>>limousine at Parkland hospital in full view of camermen and
>>>>>eyewitnesses?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because they'd never face prison time for destroying evidence.
>>>
>>> Wrong, The correct answer is that they didn`t hide their actions
>>> because they knew they weren`t criminal.
>> Only a moron like Chickenshit is willing to clam that cleaning up the
>> scene of a murder isn't criminal.
>>
>> https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/tampering-with-evidence.html
>
> Begged and circular.


I cited, you ran.


>> Watch folks, as Chickenshit refuses to cite for his lie.


Another perfect prediction!


>>>>> Personally, I see this an innocent act to remove the
>>>>>gore and mayhem caused by LHO's two bullets that struck the President
>>>>>before the limousine could be photographed close up.
>>>>
>>>> This is, of course, nearly a textbook description of the destruction
>>>> of evidence in a murder case.
>>>>
>>>> And Steve doesn't even blink when he posts such nonsense.
>> Logical fallacy deleted.
>>
>>>>> How do you group of nuts explain this event?
>>>>
>>>> It's obvious.
>>>
>>> But as usual you are too cowardly to spell out your idea.
>> I already did - above. Too stupid to read?

Logical fallacy deleted.

>>>>>I have some follow-up comments after a few of the mental patients have
>>>>>their moment in the spotlight.
>>>>
>>>> This, of course, is the wack job who pretended he was teaching a
>>>> college course on the JFK assassination...
>>>>
>>>> But doesn't understand the preservation of evidence at a murder scene.
>>>
>>> What of evidential value was destroyed?
>> I wrote down the answer on a piece of paper... then I erased it. Good
>> luck responding to it!
>
> Just *saying*...

That you just got spanked.
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