JFK Assassination Forum Archives -- Misc. Topics Of Interest (Part 124)
David Von Pein
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WLW-RADIO:
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/wlw-radio-11-22-63.html
"FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER" (1964 DOCUMENTARY FILM):
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/four-days-in-november.html
OLIVER STONE'S "NATIONAL PRESS CLUB" SPEECH (JANUARY 15, 1992):
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/oliver-stone-speech-january-15-1992.html
MORE OLIVER STONE:
http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2010/01/oliver-stone-says-us-is-still-in-denial.html
DAVID BELIN OF THE WARREN COMMISSION BASHES OLIVER STONE'S "EVIL"
MOVIE AT THE "NATIONAL PRESS CLUB" (MARCH 26, 1992):
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/david-belin-march-1992.html
2002 INTERVIEW WITH BUELL WESLEY FRAZIER:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/browse?event=178017
1998 INTERVIEW WITH ANNA K. NELSON OF THE ARRB:
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/anna-nelson-of-arrb-october-1998.html
"GRASSY KNOLL":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bbc4b2c2581f87ec
ARLEN SPECTER IN MAY 1992:
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/arlen-specter-may-1992.html
OSWALD, RUBY, AND THE FPCC:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2d9b4c369c3e334f
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3faca9da6a590c0d
GERALD FORD AND COMMISSION EXHIBIT 903:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1685.msg25431.html#msg25431
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1685.msg25439.html#msg25439
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1685.msg25443.html#msg25443
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1685.msg25523.html#msg25523
FRANK McGEE AND WALTER CRONKITE:
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/frank-mcgee-and-walter-cronkite.html
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/45a4de0ea5d6a47e
1963 SECRET SERVICE RECONSTRUCTION FILM:
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/1963-secret-service-film.html
JAMES DiEUGENIO:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c618a3438d9ea232
PRESIDENT KENNEDY IN NEW YORK CITY (MAY 20, 1962):
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/jfk-speech-new-york-city-may-1962.html
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David Von Pein
http://www.Ruth-Paine.blogspot.com
>>> "Dave, Over the weekend, I spent some time reading your section about Ruth Paine. Very thorough. Although CTers love to portray her [as] a sinister and shadowy figure who was somehow guiding Oswald's hand (perhaps brainwashing him with her folk music?), your portrayal of her is much more accurate. She was highly intelligent, very candid, a woman of great faith and high moral standards, and painfully honest in her statements. That candor and honesty probably cost her the friendship that she had developed with Marina, acording to Priscilla Johnson McMillan. .... Your blog [linked above] referenced the book "Ruth Paine's Garage" [sic] by Thomas Mallon, so I assume you've read it. I thought it was an excellent book, although somewhat overly sentimental. I would have liked more information about the physical layout of the actual garage. Since the "Oswald was Innocent" CTers claim that his rifle was stolen from the Paine's garage in a Watergate-like burglary and later placed in the TSBD building by others, I have spent a great deal of time researching that aspect of the case. What I discovered was that the garage had one of those old hinge-type doors that opened upward and outward from the bottom. Since Mrs. Paine normally parked in the driveway close to the garage door, it would have been difficult for burglars to enter through the front of the garage. The only other access was through the kitchen. However, I did come across a photograph showing Ruth Paine holding her young son Christopher in front of the garage, circa 1963. The garage door is open, and you can clearly see that there is a row of windows along the outer wall. This might have made a burglary somewhat easier, although still highly improbable." <<<
Hi,
Good observations. Thanks for sharing them with me.
I've never read "Mrs. Paine's Garage", but I still felt that the book
was worth mentioning in my Ruth Paine blog, since it's a rare book all
about the Paines and that famous garage where Oswald kept his rifle.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0156027550
BTW, the author of that book, Thomas Mallon, was one of the first
people to review Vincent Bugliosi's masterpiece, "Reclaiming History",
in 2007. Mallon's positive review of Bugliosi's book made the
conspiracists turn on him like a pack of wolves. So, naturally, they
also tried to trash his own book, "Garage".
In January 2002, Mallon made a public appearance to promote his new
book. C-Span covered the event. Here's the video of it, which you
might like to see:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/168562-1
I definitely know about the picture you mentioned, with Ruth standing
in front of her garage. It's this photo (which I saved in my computer
files some time ago):
The Paine garage is also viewable in David Wolper's 1964 film "Four
Days In November", which is the best movie or documentary ever made
about the JFK assassination, IMO. Here's my blog all about the movie
(if you're interested):
http://www.Four-Days-In-November.blogspot.com
And you can click the following link for quick access to the whole
film (in 12 parts). The Paine house and garage are shown in Part 2:
http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/four-days-in-november.html
Thanks for writing.
David V.P.
David Von Pein
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/a21e9493653433ef
>>> "Dr. Robert Karnei, who viewed and assisted with the autopsy, told the ARRB he clearly remembered that a photo was taken showing a probe inserted into the body. No such photo is to be found in the autopsy photos in evidence." <<<
How could there possibly be a photograph of something that never
happened in the first place (i.e., a picture of a probe IN THE BODY of
John F. Kennedy)?
Quoting Dr. Boswell:
"We probed this hole which was in his neck with all sorts of
probes and everything, and it was such a small hole, basically, and
the muscles were so big and strong and had closed the hole and you
COULDN'T GET A FINGER OR A PROBE THROUGH IT." [DVP's emphasis.] -- Dr.
J. Thornton Boswell; February 26, 1996; Page 75 of Dr. Boswell's ARRB
deposition
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/medical_testimony/Boswell_2-26-96/html/Boswell_0039a.htm
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But even if a photo DID exist that showed a "probe" somewhere in the
picture -- so what?
Dr. Boswell stated in his 1996 ARRB deposition that President
Kennedy's upper-back wound WAS, indeed, probed with "all sorts of
probes", but the probes would not go through the body due to JFK's
muscles having "closed".
So we know that some type of "probe" was utilized by the autopsists at
JFK's autopsy on the night of November 22, 1963. Dr. Boswell certainly
wasn't hiding that fact during the ARRB excerpt I cited above.
Is it the contention of certain conspiracy theorists (and possibly
John Canal too) that a picture was taken during the autopsy that
supposedly depicts a probe going ALL THE WAY THROUGH John F. Kennedy's
body?
But, since we know from the various testimony sessions of autopsy
doctors Boswell and Humes that no such "all the way through the body"
probing was done at JFK's autopsy, then (obviously) no such photograph
like that could exist in the first place.
And I'm trying to figure out why photographer John Stringer would have
wanted to take a picture of a probe that had been placed only a small
distance into JFK's upper-back wound (with the probe obviously not
going very far into the body, per Dr. Boswell's ARRB testimony)?
What purpose would a "partial probe" photograph have served in the
overall documentation of JFK's autopsy? I can think of no good reason
for Stringer to have taken a photo of that nature at all. A photo like
that would have served about the same purpose as taking a picture of
Dr. Humes inserting his finger into JFK's back wound.
In other words, such "partial probe" photography would be essentially
worthless and useless, IMO.
aeffects
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/th...
>
> >>> "Dr. Robert Karnei, who viewed and assisted with the autopsy, told the ARRB he clearly remembered that a photo was taken showing a probe inserted into the body. No such photo is to be found in the autopsy photos in evidence." <<<
>
> How could there possibly be a photograph of something that never
> happened in the first place (i.e., a picture of a probe IN THE BODY of
> John F. Kennedy)?
>
> Quoting Dr. Boswell:
>
> "We probed this hole which was in his neck with all sorts of
> probes and everything, and it was such a small hole, basically, and
> the muscles were so big and strong and had closed the hole and you
> COULDN'T GET A FINGER OR A PROBE THROUGH IT." [DVP's emphasis.] -- Dr.
> J. Thornton Boswell; February 26, 1996; Page 75 of Dr. Boswell's ARRB
> deposition
>
ROTFLMFAO!
Holy Smokes Batman, now the troll is a comedian
David Von Pein
>>> "I have also read that Oswald's favorite show at the time he lived at 1026 N. Beckley was 'The Fugitive'." <<<
Really? I'd never heard that before. But, if that's true, then I have
something in common with Lee Harvey, because David Janssen's "The
Fugitive" has been my favorite TV drama show for many years:
http://www.The--Fugitive.blogspot.com
(Should I add a section about Oswald to my above blog, ya think?) ;)
FYI -- The episode of "The Fugitive" that is regarded as being the
best in the whole series by many fans is the episode that
(coincidentally) aired on 11/26/63, the day after JFK's funeral.
I think it would have been nice if Dr. Richard Kimble would have
visited Dallas during his four-year flight from the law. And since he
was forced to take menial, low-paying jobs while he was on the lam,
maybe he could have gotten a job at the Book Depository (taking Lee
Oswald's place as one of Roy Truly's order fillers).
Kimble then falls hopelessly in love with Vickie Adams and they live
happily ever after (until Lt. Gerard recaptures Kimble one day in the
Domino Room).
:--)
More Fugitive Fun (with a JFK tie-in....sort of):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ac5f458669ddec72
David Von Pein
http://www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,1760.msg26785.html#msg26785
>>> "Humes was obviously wrong, David, and the evidence proves it. Boswell explained under oath, how they deliberately hid the BOH damage, when the photos were being taken. Read the article, David and stop making such ridiculous arguments." <<<
LOL. Bob Harris thinks the OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT is a "ridiculous
argument".
You conspiracy quacks just don't know when to quit, do you?
Your sickening "I've Decided To Ignore All Of The Official Evidence"
arrogance is exceeded only by the size of your kook gene.
>>> "Yes David, that is exactly what it [the autopsy report] was [i.e., a "ridiculous argument"]. Humes lied about the size of the large defect, to avoid admitting that it went into the BOH and Boswell admitted under oath that the autopsists deliberately covered up damage that extended all the way into the occiput." <<<
Nobody "lied" about anything here, Bob. And Boswell most certainly did
not admit under oath that the autopsy doctors "deliberately covered up
damage" with respect to the wounds in President Kennedy's head. That's
your interpretation of Dr. Boswell's 1996 ARRB testimony, which is
(IMO) not conclusive at all. It's convoluted and unclear in many
places.
But one thing that is a certainty regarding Dr. Boswell's ARRB
deposition -- he never once talks about there being a SECOND bullet
having struck the head of JFK. That just simply is not in the record
at all. Which is only natural, of course, since Dr. Boswell has known
from Day 1 on 11/22/63 that ONLY ONE BULLET hit President Kennedy in
the head.
But, naturally, conspiracy kooks like Robert Harris think they can
rewrite history by making up pure fantasies about the President being
hit in the head by a second bullet in Dealey Plaza.
Harris and Aesop have a lot in common.
>>> "The autopsy report was written with an agenda to hide evidence of damage to the back of the President's head, for the obvious purpose of making it appear that all the shots came from the rear." <<<
Which means that the autopsy doctors must have faked all of the
autopsy photos and X-rays too. Because lacking that kind of additional
fraud involving the photographs and X-rays, the little game that Bob
Harris thinks the Bethesda doctors were playing prior to 1996, which
is a game that has all three of the autopsy physicians (Humes,
Boswell, and Finck) pretending for years that there was NO BIG HOLE in
the back of JFK's head, was sure to collapse pretty quickly.
Why was it bound to collapse?
Because the autopsy photos and X-rays that are in existence today
confirm the fact that there was NO LARGE HOLE IN THE BACK OF PRESIDENT
KENNEDY'S HEAD:
I've discussed this ridiculous "BOH" stuff with John Canal several
times in the past, and his arguments are just as dead-wrong as the
ones purported by Robert Harris. Not to mention the fact that such
theories regarding JFK's head wounds are totally unprovable and just
downright silly and illogical from various points-of-view, as
discussed at the links provided at the bottom of the post linked
below.
But I've learned over a period of time that it's simply impossible to
instill logic and common sense into the brains of individuals who have
no capacity for absorbing such ordinary human traits when it comes to
discussing the topic of the assassination of President John F.
Kennedy.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/676aed490cb9f69c
David Von Pein
http://www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,1763.msg26871.html#msg26871
>>> "I was looking at the Muchmore film and as the headshot occurs, you see a man in front of the limo in front of the knoll quickly look behind him like the shot frightened him. His reaction is like it went right past his ear." <<<
The man in question in Marie Muchmore's film was standing on the
Grassy Knoll steps and was turning quickly to his left as he began to
run up the steps.
Question: If this "turning man" (below) had heard a shot coming from
behind him, would he have wanted to start running TOWARD the general
location where the gunman was located?
Also take note of the man who performs his little "sideways dance" on
the step he's standing on (at the exact instant when "turning man" is
starting to dash up the steps). The man doing the "dance" on the steps
will crack you up if you stare at this toggling image long enough. I
believe the man who is standing as still as a statue is Emmett Hudson,
the Dealey Plaza groundskeeper:
David Von Pein
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/278fe47e9c57065a
Good stuff, yeuhd.
But I thought the Sniper's Nest was discovered at 1:12 PM, not 1:06.
And the rifle was discovered exactly 10 minutes later, at 1:22.
That's not a big difference (obviously), but the 1:12 time is stuck in
my mind.
Also:
To augment your analysis above,
I'm wondering if part of the delay in finding Oswald's shooting perch/
lair/nest was due to the fact that the police were still of the
opinion that the gunman might very well still be inside the building
when it was sealed off at 12:37 PM.
Therefore, the police were undoubtedly proceeding through the building
at a very cautious and deliberate pace AFTER the building was sealed
off (vs. barreling, full steam, from floor to floor during the time
period after 12:37 PM).
For confirmation of what I just said (via the video linked below), we
can turn to a civilian witness who was on hand in the Book Depository--
WFAA-TV cameraman Tom Alyea.
Alyea literally accompanied the police, practically step-by-step,
during the floor-by-floor search of the Depository Building that day
(because Alyea and Kent Biffle were, in a sense, trapped in the
building after getting inside just before the sealing off of the
TSBD).
Now, why on Earth the police didn't tell Alyea to just stay put on the
first floor (and hence, out of the police department's hair)....or why
the cops didn't simply open the front door for two seconds and escort
Alyea and Biffle out of this now-restricted building known as the
Texas School Book Depository is something that I will never understand
at all.
But, anyway, Alyea and Biffle were allowed to stay in the building
(apparently for hours) after they got locked inside, with Alyea even
being permitted to film all kinds of activity on the sixth floor (aka:
the crime scene).
Alyea is featured in the following video from November 1993, with Tom
providing quite a bit of information about his actions right after the
assassination. And according to Mr. Alyea, the police were certainly
thinking in the first several minutes after the assassination that
they might have the shooter (or shooters) trapped inside the building.
So I'm thinking that that situation would account for at least a
portion of the delay in finding the location of Oswald's Sniper's Nest
on the sixth floor.
The video starts at the point where Alyea is introduced by Hugh
Aynesworth. And as a footnote here, if Aynesworth could have kept his
mouth shut and let Alyea talk uninterrupted for a few minutes longer,
we would have been treated to lots more interesting information from
Tom, but Hugh wouldn't even let Alyea get to the point in his story
where he filmed the rifle being discovered on the sixth floor. I'm
sorry to say it (since I like Mr. Aynesworth very much), but Hugh was
not a very good moderator during this segment of the 1993 program he
was hosting here. But, anyway, we get to hear at least a portion of
Tom Alyea's story:
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/ID/121449&start=4167&end=7200
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The complete 2-hour video:
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/ID/121449
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David Von Pein
http://www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,1852.msg28647.html#msg28647
>>> "Dale Myers is an IDIOT. When the state or federal government tries a case they have to convince twelve jurors their version is the truth to win a conviction. This statement all by itself proves he's an idiot and a minion for the goons: "The TRUTH doesn't require anyone's belief." -- Dale Myers" <<<
Where is Mr. Myers wrong?
His "truth" statement is a fact (and a "truth" unto itself), because
the truth IS still going to be the truth, even if zero people believe
it.
E.G.,
The sun is hot, whether anyone believes it's hot or not.
And:
Lee Oswald shot JFK and J.D. Tippit, whether anyone believes he did or
not.
A person's beliefs don't alter reality--or "truth". And that was the
point Dale Myers was making when he said what he said about "truth".
Perhaps Rob Racy missed that point.
aeffects
perhaps Dale Myers will make his Zapruder film LIGHTWAVE project files
available to the research community...? I think NOT
On Feb 26, 9:05 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,1852.msg28647.ht...
>
> >>> "Dale Myers is an IDIOT. When the state or federal government tries a case they have to convince twelve jurors their version is the truth to win a conviction. This statement all by itself proves he's an idiot and a minion for the goons: "The TRUTH doesn't require anyone's belief." -- Dale Myers" <<<
>
> Where is Mr. Myers wrong?
>
> His "truth" statement is a fact (and a "truth" unto itself), because
> the truth IS still going to be the truth, even if zero people believe
> it.
the TRUTH, the weight of supporting the Warren Commission Report (the
unsupportable) appears to be weighing on Mr. Von Pein. A conspiracy
murdered the president of the United States
<snip the remaining lone nut lunacy>
David Von Pein
Subject: The Latest Attacks On Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History"
Date: 2/27/2010 3:34:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: David Von Pein
To: Rosemary Newton (Vincent Bugliosi's secretary)
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Hi Rosemary,
I thought Vince Bugliosi might like to know that another author has
written a book attacking "Reclaiming History". It's a book of about
500 pages that was published in December 2009 by Rodger Remington, who
is an author I don't think Vince is aware of (because his name is not
in the index of "Reclaiming History", nor in the "RH" bibliography).
Remington is an older gentleman, and has actually written four books
on the JFK case, dating back to about 2000, with his latest work being
titled "BITING THE ELEPHANT: THE WARREN REPORT" (put out by Trafford
Publishing Co.).
I've heard it through the grapevine (Jim DiEugenio to be precise [via
this radio program: http://BlackOpRadio.com/black463b.ram]) that in
that book, which I myself have not read, Remington attempts to knock
down all of Vince's "53 pieces of evidence" against Oswald.
And, naturally, the kook named DiEugenio thinks that Remington has
done an outstanding job of discrediting virtually all of those 53
items that Vince lays out in "Reclaiming History".
So, I just thought Vince might want to get that book to see what kind
of horse manure is being slung by this fellow Remington. And Remington
must be pretty high on some kind of fumes in order to be able to
totally ignore--or distort--Vincent's ironclad case against Oswald.
Of course, Mr. DiEugenio likes to mangle the evidence too, as we all
know. And DiEugenio now has NINE sections to his own anti-Bugliosi
review of "RH". All nine parts of DiEugenio's crap can be found here,
by the way:
http://ctka.net/2008/bugliosi_review.html
I've done a lot of debunking of some of DiEugenio's anti-VB nonsense,
right here (I add to this collection of links regularly as well):
http://groups.google.com/group/Reclaiming-History/browse_thread/thread/863ee417ecb1633f
And here is the link to Remington's "Elephant" book:
http://Amazon.com/dp/1426917481
Also:
If Mr. Bugliosi ever feels compelled to write a response to some of
his critics regarding the JFK case, and would like to post his remarks
on the Internet, I (of course) would be more than happy to post such a
response in his name on my own websites (blogs) and on the JFK forums
that I routinely visit.
Not that any amount of common sense or logic (or evidence!) will ever
sway the conspiracy kooks, but if Vince ever feels he wants to get
some thoughts off his chest by writing up some kind of a response to
people like DiEugenio or this Remington fellow or Jim Fetzer (who
hates Vincent's book with a passion as well) or Bob Groden, et al, I
will always be ready and willing to post his comments online--and at
every JFK forum I have access to.
Thanks.
Best wishes always,
David Von Pein
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Subject: Re: The Latest Attacks On Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming
History"
Date: 2/27/2010 5:03:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Rosemary Newton
To: David Von Pein
--------------------------
Hi Dave,
Once again, I am enlightened (as I'm sure Vince will be). We should
all question that Booth assassinated Lincoln, Guiteau assassinated
Garfield, and Czolgosz assassinated McKinley. And, of course, that
Oswald assassinated Kennedy. All these silly books written on famous
assassinations should be burned and new ones like "Biting the
Elephant" taught in schools so that future generations will know the
truth. History should be accurate, right? Let's all go into the light
and get our logical, thinking heads out of the sand (or is it into the
sand?).
Regards, Rosemary
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Subject: DiEugenio
Date: 2/27/2010 6:34:32 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Rosemary Newton
To: David Von Pein
--------------------------
Hi Dave,
Vince just faxed me the following: "Tell David Von Pein that he can
quote me as saying: "I thought Jim DiEugenio was a serious person."
Regards, Rosemary
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Subject: Re: DiEugenio
Date: 2/27/2010 7:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: David Von Pein
To: Rosemary Newton
--------------------------
Thank you, Rosemary and Vince.
I will.
David V.P.
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aeffects
<snip the lone nut troll's bullshit)
do you ever get tired making up posts from "Rosemary and Vince" ? You
should be ashamed troll! Trying to cash in on an established author's
work.... Who do you think your kidding shithead?
David Von Pein
I'll be sure to remind Rosemary (again) that she doesn't exist. She
always gets a kick out of hearing that one.
aeffects
> I'll be sure to remind Rosemary (again) that she doesn't exist. She
> always gets a kick out of hearing that one.
just another wetdream of yours, son.... you really do have to grow up!
Robert Morrow
Jim DiEugenio is a fabulous JFK researcher. He may or may not agree
with my contentions that Lyndon Johnson, the CIA and George Herbert
Walker Bush murdered John Kennedy but that is ok.
Vincent Bugliosi, however, ... it must be really sad to spend so much
time and effort and come up completely wrong on the JFK assassination,
which, of course, was an "inside job" - a murder of JFK by members of
his own government in conjuction with the powerful shadow government.
This Rodger Remington is making some fabulous contributions, no doubt
- I have ordered a book of his and I will get to see for myself the
quality of his work!
Robert Morrow Austin, TX 512-306-1510
PS Who is this David Von Pein kook anyhow? Is that his real name?
David Von Pein
>>> "Who is this David Von Pein kook anyhow?" <<<
Just someone who knows better than to think that JFK was killed by
LBJ, the CIA, and GHWB.
Who's the kook again, Mr. Morrow?
aeffects
you got chicken to fry, moron.... get busy
timstter
Hey Dave, aka aeffects, is it true that the editor of your piece on
<snicker> Z film alteration is also a 9/11 conspiracy believer and
thinks that Judyth Vary Baker is *the real deal*?
ROTFLMFAO!
Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*