David Josephs And Prayer Man

[Scrum Drum]

Josephs posted on the Education Forum:



" Carolyn Arnold, if you believe her, puts Oswald near the front door around 12:15 possibly later as I believe she said the FBI move her "12:25" statement to 12:15... and while we simply cannot use the images we have to ID the man at the west end of the landing during the assassination, Oswald is a very good candidate imo as both Lovelady and this person are seen together. They've called him Prayerman... "



Dyslexic Dave offers another one of his mis-spelled incoherent jumbles that he is aware will never receive the scrutiny they deserve because of the criminal bias of the crooked moderator James Gordon...Josephs offers an outright lie as his main argument when he misquotes Carolyn Arnold...Josephs is fully aware that Carolyn Arnold insisted to Earl Golz that she told FBI she saw Oswald eating his lunch alone in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room at 12:25...What dishonest Dave is doing is employing the Greg Parker method of research where you spin and misquote in order to lead things in the direction you want...This totally dishonest research method is welcomed by the assholes who call themselves moderators at the Education Forum...Anyone who challenges it is banned for life for manners violations...Josephs tells a second lie in the above paragraph...Skilled analysis of Davidson's enhancement shows Sarah Stanton's clearly visible face on Prayer Man...David Josephs is a crook and he is making a falsely-spun argument while avoiding the evidence that disproves it...The imagery is more than clear enough to show that Stanton is not seen to Frazier's left in Altgens or Z257 Wiegman...The intellectual criminal James Gordon is preventing me from asking Josephs this question directly on the Forum...



" Your scenario fits in perfectly with our contention that the FBI manufactured/altered/removed evidence for the sole purpose of getting Oswald convicted... nicely done. Thing is, most the evidence puts him down on the lowest floors as 12:30 rolls around... and no one sees anyone looking like him at all on the 6th floor in those last 15 minutes... so while plausible, it is not supported by the evidence of the conspiracy. "




Oswald has already been proven to be in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...




" This is the image of the man in the west corner of the landing and some composite work I did, since to me the stance and general outline suggests to me it may actually be Oswald... I added detail on the right with an image that just so happened to put Oswald in relatively the same position... Any evidence that anyone said this was Oswald would be dismissed since he HAD to be in the 6th floor window... no other option. "




Josephs actually gets away with pasting images of Oswald's face on to Prayer Man and he calls it "research"...He ignores the FACT that I have proven Prayer Man only comes up to the 5 foot 4 level on Frazier and that 5 foot 4 was Sarah Stanton's exact height..."General outline"???...Anyone who is skilled enough to be qualified will confirm that Prayer Man shows Sarah Stanton's obese forearm, hips, and hand...You can see a uniform-colored dress from shoulder to knee on Prayer Man and she is holding her purse up in front of her with both hands...Josephs then offers the dishonest strawman that the only opposition to Prayer Man being Oswald is Lone Nutters placing him on the 6th Floor...Because the crook and coward James Gordon keeps me from responding to Josephs none of the idiots on the Education Forum ask Josephs to show Stanton to Frazier's left in Altgens and Z257 Wiegman...Because of Gordon's criminal moderation only falsely-spun offerings like Josephs' are allowed...Only dumbed-down booby research is allowed on the Forum and all others are banned...Gil, Parker, and Josephs hide perfectly in the shadow of Gordon's censorship...These criminals are getting away with ignoring my discovery from Wanda Daniel...They are bigger conspiracy evidence deniers that the Lone Nutters and a perfect example of what Jimmy Dore calls "Shit-Libs"...

[Scrum Drum]

On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:20:30 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:




Josephs is over on the Education Forum raining down with righteous damnation on the heads of the Lone Nutters but then right in the middle of it he pulls a Gil Jesus and posts that Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the Lobby and that it was evidence that Prayer Man was Oswald...Josephs has no problem giving hell to those who post wrong information but then he himself flagrantly ignores the real CT evidence for Carolyn Arnold and promotes the bullshit of Greg Parker...Josephs is so dishonest that he recognizes Carolyn Arnold's 12:25 time for that sighting because he can bend it towards Oswald being near the front steps at the time of Prayer Man...

No one on the ball-less Education Forum stands up and challenges Josephs by pointing-out that Earl Golz confronted Carolyn Arnold on that alleged sighting and she adamantly insisted that she said "12:25 in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room"...The dishonest Josephs is aware of this so he says "If you believe Carolyn Arnold" (as if her truthfulness were in doubt)...This is a prime example of how the Prayer Man hijackers brought the Prayer Man theory in to being...They simply cherry-picked and misquoted, like Josephs does here, and banned anyone who pointed-out the dishonest absurdity of their offerings...David Josephs is a petty jerk and dishonest asshole because, like Gil, he cottons on to the clique and helps them snub out my discovery of Sarah Stanton hearing Oswald say he intended to go back in to that very "Break Room" that Carolyn Arnold corroborated...These are dirty school yard boys and not gentlemen researchers...Josephs is pulling that cheap dishonest move all so he can promote Greg Parker's bullshit above the real evidence and not admit he fell for a bogus theory...Josephs takes full advantage of that dirty censorship to not admit that he is quoting an FBI lie and criminal alteration of evidence by the conspirators all so he can indulge his own stupidity...That's right, this is the same righteous asshole who excoriates Lone Nutters but then turns around himself and uses one of their worst lies to bail out his own dumb ego because he's too proud to admit I proved Prayer Man was Stanton...Weak minds stick together...Sometimes to the point of even aligning with their enemies in order to maintain their control...The CT community needs to get its act together and weed out petty fools like Josephs...It needs to acknowledge that Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the Lunch Room eating lunch alone at 12:25 and that Sarah Stanton heard Oswald directly say he intended to go back in to that Lunch Room...It is outrageous that I would discover what is the most important evidence in 45 years and people who call themselves the CT community would organize around ignoring it and do so for the sake of supporting the charlatan disinformationists Bart Kamp and Greg Parker...

[Scrum Drum]

On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 11:26:09 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 1:20:30 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
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What I've written in this thread is backed by incredibly important new evidence...


You can see that the clique at the Education Forum uses my being censored for the purpose of ignoring that incredibly important new discovery...


David Josephs and Gil talk a mean talk but they stay silent and exploit the exact same censorship they criticize when it comes to owning up to this evidence...Josephs is quite capable of coming over here and defending his Prayer Man bullshit but he won't because he knows his stuff requires the protection of Gordon's censorship and information ignoring...You can't get away with straight-facedly quoting FBI's lies without it...

[Gil Jesus]

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:03:16 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> David Josephs and Gil talk a mean talk but they stay silent and exploit the exact same censorship they criticize when it comes to owning up to this evidence...Josephs is quite capable of coming over here and >defending his Prayer Man bullshit but he won't because he knows his stuff requires the protection of Gordon's censorship and information ignoring...You can't get away with straight-facedly quoting FBI's lies without >it...

You say you believe Hosty when he says that Oswald said he was in the 2nd floor lunchroom.
Do you also believe him when he writes in his notes that Oswald said he went out "to watch the P. Parade" ?
Yes or no.

[Ben Holmes]

How DARE you!?

Asking a believer to take a stance!!! :)

[Scrum Drum]

That's stupid Gil and we've already gone over this several times...Your reducing it to this ridiculous binary is just your way of getting around having to answer my nuanced detective work...I've already explained to you that Captain Fritz also placed Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room in plain words and even backed it up with a confirmation that Oswald said he usually worked on the 1st Floor but was on the 2nd Floor that day...I also explained to you in detail that we have a whole series of witnesses who all placed Oswald in or near the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and even named them...They were Sarah Stanton, Carolyn Arnold, Truly & Baker, Dougherty, Mrs Reid, and Buell Frazier...ALL the witnesses placed Oswald in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...NONE placed him on the 1st Floor...


I have repeatedly explained to you that Fritz and Bookhout's notes both start at the Lunch Room Encounter...Fritz made this clear when he provided the detail "When Officer Came In"...Fritz established the time when Oswald was getting the Coke in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room as being when Baker encountered him...Hosty's notes also start 90 seconds after the shots at the Lunch Room Encounter when he writes "He went to 2nd Floor to get Coca Cola to eat with lunch"...We know this because both Fritz's and Hosty's notes then take Oswald down to the 1st Floor to eat lunch...Both Fritz's and Hosty's notes both take Oswald out front after that...The reason for this is because Fritz and Hosty both witnessed the same interrogation...There is a damning commonality between Fritz, Bookhout's, and Hosty's notes...None of them contain any mention of them asking Oswald where he was during the assassination...The reason for that is because all three sets of notes clumsily removed that part of the interrogation...Only Fritz gave it away when he told the Commission that Oswald said he was eating his lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination...It took 30 years but eventually Hosty came forth with the same admission because he witnessed it right along side Fritz...Gil displays poor detective skills because he fails to consider that for his version to be right would require Oswald to be getting his Coke while there were still other people up in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room as well as witnesses like Dougherty on the 1st Floor if he ate his lunch down there...For Gil's version to be correct would mean Oswald was down on the 1st Floor when Carolyn Arnold saw him eating lunch in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room at 12:25...Gil is a poor detective because he misses the fact that Hosty doesn't mention which Lunch Room to Nigel Turner because he knows it was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room and he would perjure himself...And let's not forget honest Gil here never answered the citation he called for from me of Wanda Daniel's interview...Wanda told me that Sarah heard Oswald say he was going back in to the Break Room...That "Break Room" was the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...The clique could pursue Miss Daniel but won't because they know what she'll tell them...


Gil thinks that idiotic strawman he offers above will get him out of answering for the vast preponderance of evidence that all shows Oswald was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the shots...Even a 1st year student would see that Hosty with-held his admission for 30 years because it was the incriminating one...Any current JFK researcher would see that the proper place for Hosty's saying Oswald told them he was in the Lunch Room during the assassination is BEFORE "He went to 2nd Floor to get a Coca Cola to eat with Lunch"...This is proven to be correct because the exact same gap exists in the same place in Fritz's and Bookhout's notes...Gil is just as aware as I am that the only reason we are even talking about this is because Bart Kamp is desperate to force everything towards Prayer Man being Oswald no matter how many better interpretations he has to ignore...No...What Gil does is ask an aggressive question in order to get out of answering the better argument...It is GIL who should be answering why Hosty is saying Oswald told him he was in the Lunch Room during the assassination if "Went Out To Watch Presidential Parade" means Oswald was Prayer Man?...Gil is not being honest here and I have more than proven the "Out Front" parts of the interrogation notes were all 4 or 5 minutes after the shots...And all three sets of notes all start at the Lunch Room Encounter 90 seconds after the shots because all three removed Oswald telling them he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the shots...Go to Fritz, Bookhout's, and Hosty's notes and you will see a conspicuous hole where Oswald told them he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the shots...

[Gil Jesus]

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:07:34 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 3:33:17 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
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> > You say you believe Hosty when he says that Oswald said he was in the 2nd floor lunchroom.
> > Do you also believe him when he writes in his notes that Oswald said he went out "to watch the P. Parade" ?
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> That's stupid Gil and we've already gone over this several times...Your reducing it to this ridiculous binary is just your way of getting around having to answer my nuanced detective work...

You're not answering the question, yes or no.
And may we see the link to your "nuanced detective work" ?

[Scrum Drum]

Gil complains about Lone Nutters running from his evidence but then turns around and does the exact same thing himself in front of highly-supported important evidence that tells the true CT tale...Gil is safe with the double standard hypocrites on the Education Forum because he trolls the right people and defends the clique...

This process is all part of the gas-lighting you get from cheap hacks who are over their heads in criminal detection...Gil is in public denial of all the witnesses who saw or placed Oswald in or near the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...He ignores the logic and trolls for links but it is quite obvious lying Gil is avoiding it because he's aware of its legitimacy which means lying Gil has no respect for his readers and intends to offer them knowingly false material just like the Lone Nutters and Parker...

The Fritz, Bookhout, and Hosty notes all start at the Lunch Room Encounter exactly because all three sloppily removed Oswald telling them he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination right before it...The part about going outside to watch the Presidential Parade references a time period that is 4 or 5 minutes after the shots...Gil arrogantly refuses to answer why Hosty would say Oswald was in the Lunch Room if "Went outside to watch Presidential Parade" meant Oswald was Prayer Man?...Gil refuses to answer the subtle evidence of why Hosty didn't mention which floor that Lunch Room was on?...Gil is trying to escape evidence by asking rather unintelligent evasive questions...He's asking for citations and links he has already been given or is already aware of their sources...The link is Fritz's Commission testimony where he said Oswald was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination and even confirmed it by saying Oswald said he usually worked on the 1st Floor but was on the 2nd Floor that day...There's a fine difference between someone who sincerely asks for links in order to understand evidence and someone who asks for links in order to avoid it...

Gil hides behind that pathetic strawman because he's very aware he can't honestly deal with this evidence or answer it directly...He's not a gentleman researcher...The current JFK internet research community lacks the necessary Peer Review that would stop cheap hacks like Gil from getting away with this sort of dishonest conduct...