"Eat, drink, and be vaccinated...."

[donald willis]

"For tomorrow..."

[Bud]

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 8:42:26 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
> "For tomorrow..."

Not sure where you are going with this, but there was a few things about COVID recently I saw. One was this morning when the number one news story on my AOL mail was some anti-vax televangelist died of COVID. Funny how it isn`t newsworthy when someone who is vaccinated dies of COVID but seen as highly significant when an anti-vaxer does.

The other was this story on the Amish. Seems, they might have herd immunity (hard to tell since they don`t go for the testing). The story is interesting, they don`t much vax and they don`t much mask, the virus ran through their community and killed who it killed and ran it`s course. They have a ritual where they all drink wine from the same cup, so when one got it they pretty much all got it. Apparently they didn`t go to the hospitals much because the hospitals weren`t allowing visitors, so they`d rather die at home among loved ones than die alone in a hospital.

https://youtu.be/O1DgWYdukZU

[Chuck Schuyler]

I know Norway "moved on" from the virus. No mask mandates (feel free to wear one if you choose), venues are fully open, no quarantines for new arrivals to the country, etc. Norwegian authorities are telling their citizens that if you feel sick, stay home like you would do if you have a cold or a flu. Obviously if you're elderly or have co-morbidities, consult with a doctor. They don't want the otherwise healthy 35 year old or 12 year old clogging up emergency rooms and freaking out because they tested positive for CV19. That's the way it should be handled.

John Lennon once quipped about war, and I think Vietnam in particular, "The war is over. If you want it."

I checked stats in Minnesota not too long ago. NO DEATHS from CV-19 between the ages of 5-19, which is the school age population. NO DEATHS, yet school districts here were closed for a year and the kids are now required to wear masks all day. A Minnesota child has a better chance of being stampeded to death by a moose on an ice flow in Lake Superior than dying of CV-19.

COVID 19 is over. If you want it.

[healyd...@gmail.com]

you're vaccinated, lmfao!

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

Norway is a bunch of commies. Capitalism demands universal vaccinations. Pfizer hath spoken it! Bill Gates, too. It's all about the bottom line. The herd shall be vaccinated.

[Chuck Schuyler]

Capitalism? Funny. The authoritarian New Fascism Left corporatists are demanding universal vaccinations or being banned from public life.

From the tenor of your posts, those are the people YOU vote for and support.

The Democrats have become what they once accused the Right of.

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

And you praise the socialist Nordic countries! Why? Because the capitalists who won the game demand that their human resource get vaccinated! That's worth a LOL!

[Chuck Schuyler]

The "Nordic" countries are not socialist. You've been listening to the MSM and Bernie Sanders too long:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/27/nordic-countries-not-socialist-denmark-norway-sweden-centrist/

Norway ranks 28th on the world freedom index. The USA ranks 20th. Denmark and Iceland are the 10th and 11th most capitalist countries in the world. Finland comes in at 17th, Sweden at 21st.




>Why? Because the capitalists

No, Corporatists and the Fascist Left, i.e. your buddies. Biden, Soros, the Tech Giants, BLM, etc.

>who won the game demand that their human resource get vaccinated! That's worth a LOL!

Indeed. Read up on the difference between capitalism and corporatism and socialism.

Your tyranny will be resisted. Time to open up the country and declare CV19 over. No vax mandates, no mask mandates, fully open the schools, and let's move on.

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

I don't know about you specifically, but your kind are the ones who call the Nordic countries "socialist," which is why I said it. They have more elements of socialism than does the US is all I mean. Your "corporatists" are to capitalism what Stalin is to "communism." Neither fits the ideological ideal, but both are nonetheless the result of the ideology. Capitalism produces your "corporatists." That's why capitalism needs to be regulated, as the Nordic countries do better than the United States.

[Gil Jesus]

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 8:42:26 PM UTC-5, donald willis wrote:
> "For tomorrow..."

The vaccines aren't vaccines at all. Not by the traditional measure. They don't prevent you from getting the virus and they don't prevent you from spreading the virus. Remember when all the talk was about people DYING from the virus ? Now all the talk is about cases. Look at the stats. If you get COVID, you have a 99.98 % chance of survival. That's by dividing the number of deaths by the number of cases and subtracting it from 100. Now we have the "midterm" variant called OMICRON which if you rearrange the letters spells MORONIC. That's what this all is. The virus is real. The vaccine is a joke. Anybody who takes it takes a risk, over 19,000 people have already died from it, more than half of all the deaths from vaccines since 1990. Go to the VAERS website and look it up. Not only are there serious side effects, including death for some people, this is still an experimental vaccine, they still don't know what the long term effects are going to be. And it only lasts 6 months. Will these continual boosters ruin one's immune system ? They don't know.
That's a lot of risk for a virus that you're almost guaranteed to survive. IMO.

The only ones who get immunity from all this are the drug companies.

[Bud]

Yah, I was one of those hoodwinked into getting the vaccine. I was pretty ambivalent about getting it, but the MSM got into my consciousness with their lies, playing up the danger from variant that was around about 5 months ago (Delta?), saying that people who get vaccinated rarely if ever have symptoms bad enough to require hospitalization, that the vaccine was 95% percent effective protection, ect. Turns out this was just more lying from the people who are supposed to be providing us with useable information.

Seems CNN`s media critic Brian Stelter fired his housekeeper because she refuse to be vaccinated. If he and his wife are vaccinated, what do they care? They are saying that people can carry and spread the virus even if they are vaccinated.

And Germany is going off the cliff with their COVID response, as Australia already has.

https://youtu.be/750ASXEo4X8

[Gil Jesus]

Bud, in Greece they're fining anyone over 60 who hasn't been vaccinated $144 / month.
my question to all these rabid vaxers is this :

If YOUR vaccine doesn't protect you, what makes you think mine will ?

It's insane.

[Bud]

In Australia they implemented interment camps for the unvaxed.

https://youtu.be/mGFdWcJU7-0

They used the Port Arthur massacre as an excuse to grab everyone`s guns, and now they can be as authoritarian as they want to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

> my question to all these rabid vaxers is this :
>
> If YOUR vaccine doesn't protect you, what makes you think mine will ?
>
> It's insane.

Seems more about control than anything.

[Chuck Schuyler]

I'm not certain what you could infer from anything I write here that would lead you to believe I think the Nordic countries are socialist, but I emphatically believe they are capitalist democracies.

>They have more elements of socialism than does the US is all I mean.

See the article I linked to. Several of these countries are more free than we are based on a metric developed to quantify such things.

>Your "corporatists" are to capitalism what Stalin is to "communism." Neither fits the ideological ideal, but both are nonetheless the result of the ideology. Capitalism produces your "corporatists." That's why capitalism needs to be regulated, as the Nordic countries do better than the United States.

I think you have it backwards. Corporatism flows from over regulation. Make it tougher to open a business via laws and rules and regulations, etc. and you end up rewarding the bigger player at the expense of the smaller player or the new idea in the marketplace. Walmart doesn't care if taxes are higher or if the entryway to open a new retail outlet is tougher due to regulations. They have the attorneys and lobbyists to make sure their turf is protected. If a new social media company gains traction, Fakebook or Twaddle will cough up a billion dollars and buy it out or collude with each other to keep it from growing. Look at what happened with Parler last year. Capitalism is an antidote to corporatism.

Good, new ideas EVENTUALLY win out, but corporatism does everything it can to keep capitalism from flourishing.

[Chuck Schuyler]

How are you so smart about this stuff but so dumb about the JFK assassination?

[John Corbett]

Here are my feelings on Covid vaccinations.

Getting vaccinated is the best protection against developing a life threatening illness.

The vaccine won't stop you from getting the virus, it just makes it unlikely you will develop serious complications.

The vaccine isn't 100% effective but it is very close. Underlying health issues can reduce the
efficacy of the vaccine.

The numbers don't lie. Most of the deaths this past year have been among the unvaccinated. Very few vaccinated people have died from the disease. In my home state of Ohio, they estimate that 99% of the deaths since June have been among the unvaccinated.

I am against vaccine mandates. While I believe getting vaccinated is the sensible thing to do, I don't think the government has any business forcing people to get vaccinated. Since both the unvaccinated and the vaccinated can transmit the disease, not getting vaccinated
does not put other people at a greater risk of contracting the virus. The role of government is to protect its citizens from others, not from themselves.

I am fully vaccinated. I got my first two doses last spring. I got my booster shot last month. If they recommend another booster in 6 months, I will get that too. If someone chooses not to, that's of no concern to me.

[Chuck Schuyler]

I survived CV19 i early 2020. Had a bad bout with it. I received a single J&J shot in late June of this year, no side effects, not even a tingle in my arm from the needle. I'm 60 and slender, no underlying health problems that I know of. I don't drink or smoke and I'm not on any medications for anything. I MAY consider a booster shot someday, but I don't really feel the need for one. Like you, I feel this "flu" shot should be a personal choice. Younger people are at essentially zero risk. I'm baffled as to why the "experts" want to lock down economies and mandate a vaccination. It's crazy.

It's time to move on. This will be with us forever and morph into a manageable illness, just like the flu. I see young, presumably healthy people driving alone in their car with a paper mask on. This is insane, and the response to this has been the greatest public health debacle in in history. People are frightened for their lives who are at a very low risk of even having a moderate case of CV19.

[John Corbett]

I check most of the high risk boxes. I'm 70. Overweight. Diabetic. Male. I was super cautious before the vaccines became available. I wore a mask everywhere except the golf course. When I finished shopping, I would hit the hand sanitizer. I didn't eat at any restaurants, not even fast food. The vaccine gave me a chance to relax a little. Once I gave it the ten days or whatever to take full effect, I quit wearing a mask except in places where it was required which is most health clinics. The only side effect I experienced from the booster was a little tightness in my shoulder for a few days. I will continue to follow recommended best practices as long as the statistics indicate that is the best course of action. I really don't care if others do. If they want to play Russian roulette with their health, that's their business.
I just shake my head and wonder why people are so pigheaded about this or why politics seems to be driving people's choices. When Trump was in the White House, it was the Democrats saying they wouldn't get vaccinated and now that Biden is in charge, it seems to be those on the right who are more prone to resist taking the jab. The sad thing is so many people made a really bad choice and once they got Covid, it was too late to get a do over.
A lot of people lay dying wishing they hadn't resisted getting vaccinated and hundreds of thousands of them have died. I have no doubt that if everyone who could have been vaccinated had taken the jab, most of the ones who died would still be alive.

[Bud]

Is this true?

https://youtu.be/xGJAH2QvMtE

[John Corbett]

You can believe these dubious sources if you like. The CDC numbers show you are more
likely to get Covid-19 if you are unvaccinated and much more likely to die from it.

https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/cdc-publishes-rates-covid-19-cases-deaths-vaccine-brand

I know. These figures are put out by "they". The same "they" that was behind the assassination of JFK and framed Oswald for it. "They" are diabolical and want as many
people to die from the disease as possible.

[Chuck Schuyler]

Small sample size so far, but half of the new people testing positive for the CV19 variant omicron in England are fully vaccinated:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/omicron-uk-england-cases-vaccinated-b1969545.html

The "vaccine" shouldn't be called a vaccine; it's a shot that at best lessens the severity of the illness, and it's good for two months to perhaps a year.

Oh, so far no reported deaths from omicron. CV19 is hopefully mutating and getting weaker.