David Ferrie was an innocent man
Dreitzes
Ferrie, but it is to the conspiracy theorists' shame that we cannot admit when
we've made a mistake a misjudged someone. We have misjudged David Ferrie for
some thirty-three years. Even many of us wise enough to see through Jim
Garrison's fraudulent "case" against Clay Shaw still consider Ferrie a viable
suspect, despite the utter absence of evidence against him.
We talk of a "mysterious death," when that death was justifiably ruled a
natural one by autopsy pathologist Ronald Welsh and coroner Nicholas Chetta.
The autopsy report refutes all sinister claims, new and old, made by Jim
Garrison and his followers.
We talk of a "suspicious" trip to Houston beginning some nine hours after the
assassination, when practically every minute of that trip had been picked clean
by investigators over three decades ago. Jim Garrison was still harping on this
trip twenty years after both his staff and the FBI pored over phone records
from stops Ferrie made along the way, interviewed witnesses who Ferrie had come
into contact with, grilled Ferrie and the two men with whom he took the trip.
Investigators have continued to question the same evidence turned up and
interview the same witnesses. What have we come up with? Nothing.
Did Dave Ferrie know Oswald? We know he did in 1955. What about later? We have
a handful of eyewitness reports from people of questionable credibility. I
don't dismiss them outright, but they prove little. Even if Ferrie did know
Oswald in 1963, there's no evidence whatsoever that this relationship would
have continued past September. That should severely limit Ferrie's potential as
a suspect.
The greatest injustice of all is that which Jim Garrison did to David Ferrie's
character. Garrison's claims about Ferrie largely originated with Jack Martin.
Who was Jack Martin?
A. J. Weberman (www.weberman.com) has done an extraordinary amount of research
on the New Orleans cast of characters. He writes:
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The first arrest of Edward Suggs took place in on October 24, 1944, in Fort
Smith, Arkansas. The charge was "inv. susp." On January 11, 1945, he was
arrested for carrying a pistol in Fort Worth, Texas and on December 12, 1946,
he was fingerprinted for "Special Police, Los Angeles, California." On December
31, 1947, Edward Suggs was arrested for disturbing the peace in San Diego,
California, and on May 17, 1949, Edward Suggs was arrested for "P/c bond" in
Dallas, Texas. On May 14, 1952, Edward Suggs was arrested for unlawful flight
to avoid prosecution for the crime of murder in Houston, Texas. On May 16,
1952, he was charged with murder in Houston, Texas. The charges were dropped.
On January 27, 1953, he was a witness in Houston, Texas. On May 2, 1953, Suggs
was picked-up in Los Angeles on a warrant that had been issued because of the
murder charge in Texas. He was released when the L.A.P.D. discovered he was no
longer wanted in Texas. On March 10, 1954, Edward Suggs was finger printed in
Galveston for vagrancy and drunk. The FBI: "Our files also disclose that in
January 1957, we received information from a local store in New Orleans that
Suggs had become involved in an altercation with a woman he claimed to be his
wife in the store and, as a result, was ejected from the store. Suggs exhibited
identification to store authorities and claimed to be an FBI agent. We
instituted inquiries in this matter at that time to locate Suggs and determined
that he was in a psychiatric ward Charity Hospital New Orleans as a of January
17, 1957. His psychiatrist informed our agents that Suggs was suffering from a
character disorder and indicated an interview of Suggs by the Bureau at that
time might prolong his hospitalization." Another FBI document reported that
Suggs was a patient in a psychiatric ward in 1956 through 1957. [FBI
62-109060-4539] The FBI interviewed Edward Suggs in 1960 about impersonating an
FBI agent.
In the early 1960's David Ferrie stated: "I consider Mr. Suggs mentally,
emotionally unstable. He has been in Charity Hospital with psychiatric bouts of
one kind or another. I know him as a man who is commonly spoken of as an
ambivalent. He plays both sides of the street. Most of his conversation is
spent telling you how he wants to torpedo somebody . . ."
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
It was Suggs, aka Jack Martin, who started all of the rumors about Oswald and
Ferrie, including the claim that Oswald had been arrested with David Ferrie's
library card. Weberman writes:
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
On November 23, 1963, Edward Suggs was visited by bail bondsman Hardy W. Davis.
Edward Suggs told Hardy Davis he had seen a photograph of David Ferrie holding
a rifle similar to OSWALD'S and that David Ferrie had once discussed a short
story plot which involved the shooting of the President of the United States.
The FBI: "Hardy Davis advised that they discussed remarks made by Ferrie to the
effect that he would like to kill several Deputy Sheriffs and the
Superintendent of the New Orleans Police Department, whom Ferrie believed had
been persecuting him and caused him to be arrested for homosexual crimes."
Edward Suggs told Hardy Davis that a television program had reported that the
library card of David Ferrie had been found in the possession of OSWALD on his
arrest in Dallas. When Hardy Davis heard this he called G. Wray Gill, an
employer of David Ferrie. "While talking to Gill, Hardy Davis advised he heard
that Ferrie had received Cuban literature in Gill's office, and Gill confirmed
this in conversation to Davis. Davis stated he did not know when the literature
was received, or what the nature of the literature was, which was mailed to
Gill's office." Edward Suggs said that Hardy Davis remarked he heard David
Ferrie had received literature from the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which had
been mailed to the offices of G. Wray. [FBI NO 89-69-341] Edward Suggs later
told the FBI: "Suggs does not believe this to be true, as a Ferrie was
connected with anti-Castro group that operated in New Orleans before the Bay of
Pigs invasion. Suggs states he is acquainted with the leaders of anti-Castro
group, and is well aware of Ferrie's connection with them."
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
What on Earth would Oswald be doing with Dave Ferrie's library card anyway? If
Oswald was set up by Ferrie -- as many suggest -- would Ferrie let his "patsy"
run around with his library card on November 22, 1963?
Weberman has catalogued the kaleidoscopic variety of allegations made by Jack
Martin involving Ferrie.
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
On November 23, 1963, Edward Suggs called New Orleans Assistant District
Attorney Herman Kohlman and said that in 1955 OSWALD and David Ferrie were in
the Civil Air Patrol together and both were members of the Fair Play for Cuba
Committee in 1963. Edward Suggs told Major Presley J. Trosclair of the New
Orleans Police Dept. the same story.
On Monday, November 25, 1963, Edward Suggs went to FBI S.A. Regis Kennedy with
the story:
"Edward Suggs, 1311 North Prieur Street, New Orleans, Louisiana, advised that
he was listening to a television program on WWL-TV reported the life of LEE
HARVEY OSWALD and reporting various interviews with people in New Orleans that
were acquainted with OSWALD. Suggs stated that one of the people interviewed
whose name he not know, aged early 20's, wearing horned-rim glasses, recalled
that OSWALD had been active in the Civil Air Patrol with David Ferrie. [This
fits the physical and biographical descriptions of Edward Voebel, who attended
a few CAP meetings with Oswald and was interviewed on TV shortly after the
assassination.] Suggs stated that when he heard this he flipped."
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I used to believe that some of Jack Martin's earliest stories about Ferrie
knowing Oswald were true. Statements like the above should have changed my
mind. If Martin had first-hand knowledge of an Ferrie-Oswald relationship, he
would hardly have needed to make the connection through Oswald and Ferrie's
Civil Air Patrol service.
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Suggs advised that in his occupation as a private investigator he had an
occasion to develop considerable information about Ferrie and reported it to
one Richard E. Roby, Special Agent, Investigative Division, Office of
Compliance and Security, Federal Aviation Agency, Washington, D.C. who must
have a big file on Ferrie as a they conducted a complete investigation of his
activities in New Orleans several years ago. Suggs advised that he called
WWL-TV Station and furnished the station with background information about
Ferrie, particularly his homosexual tendencies and that the fact he formerly
operated the Civil Air Patrol. He also told them that Ferrie was an amateur
hypnotist and may have hypnotized OSWALD and planted a post-hypnotic suggestion
that he kill the President."
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Martin's report was widely publicized later. In all probability, it is the
basis for a similar allegation made by Richard Case Nagell. Nagell convinced
author Dick Russell that he possessed much first-hand knowledge of the
assassination and Lee Harvey Oswald. None of it has been substantiated. It is
also very likely the source of the rumor that blossomed into the slim volume
called *Were We Controlled?* written by one "Lincoln Lawrence," believed by
some to be radio broadcaster Art Ford. This book claimed that a radio receiver
had been planted in Oswald's head during a hospitalization in the Soviet Union;
this receiver was supposedly used to deliver messages to Oswald, which would
trigger post-hypnotic suggestions.
There appear to have been exactly two people over the years who've taken this
book seriously: Marguerite Oswald and Dick Russell. Russell suggests that, as
far-fetched as the book's premise is, it may serve as some slight corroboration
for Nagell's claim about David Ferrie "programming" Oswald to assassinate the
President. Russell doesn't consider that all these rumors could have originated
in the exact same place: the feverish imagination of Edward Suggs, aka Jack S.
Martin. Russell doesn't take into account that, while David Ferrie's friends
recall Ferrie's interest in hypnotism, none recall meeting Lee Harvey Oswald.
(Of course Perry Russo is an exception, as is Raymond Broshears, who claims to
have had sex with a "Leon Oswald" who may or may not have been Lee Harvey
Oswald. It is not to Russell's credit that he accepts these stories,
particularly Russo's. Russell seems to go out of his way in *The Man Who Knew
Too Much* to avoid criticizing Jim Garrison. It's not hard to imagine why.)
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Suggs stated that he has visited in the home of David Ferrie and he saw a
group of photographs of various Civil Air Patrol cadet groups and in this group
he is sure he saw several years ago a photograph of LEE OSWALD as a member of
one of the classes. He stated he did not recall the group that OSWALD was in or
any other details . . ."
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
So the sum total of Martin's knowledge would seem to be that Ferrie once knew
Oswald through the CAP, something he's apparently inventing evidence (the
non-existent photographs) to support. (Ferrie didn't have any such photographs;
he even went around to former CAP associates to see if any such photos
existed.)
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Suggs advised that he was really suspicious of Ferrie's activities when he
received a report from W. Hardy Davis, a New Orleans Bail Bondsman, who told
him that G. Wray Gill, New Orleans attorney and employer of Ferrie had called
him to locate Ferrie who lives down the street from him and at the same time
had denied to the TV station that Ferrie was an employee of Gill's office.
Davis furnished Suggs information that Ferrie had left town for Texas on Friday
evening, November 22, 1963, which information he also made available to Mr.
Kohlman."
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
So Martin didn't even have first-hand knowledge about Ferrie leaving town that
evening; he got the information from Hardy Davis.
Jack Martin spread a great deal of lies, delusions and speculation about
Ferrie, such as the following, which continues directly from the above report.
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Suggs stated that Ferrie is a completely disreputable person, a notorious sex
deviate with a brilliant mind being highly trained in mathematics, sciences,
several foreign languages including Latin, modern Greek and ancient Greek.
Suggs advised that Ferrie had been education in a seminary and subsequently
expelled from the Catholic Church and he, Suggs, suspected him of being capable
of committing any type of crime. Suggs stated that he felt that Ferrie's
possible association with OSWALD should be the subject of close examination as
a he personally believed that he could be implicated in the killing of
President Kennedy." Marina Oswald was questioned about a "Mr. Farry" after the
assassination. [Lardner Wash. Post 4.2.67]
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Jack Martin had once worked with Dave Ferrie and held a grudge against him for
various offenses which most likely originated in his imagination, like
practically everything else he said. He blamed Ferrie for prejudicing Guy
Banister against him, when Banister knew Martin very well and was quite capable
of mistrusting Martin for plenty of reasons of his own.
It is Jack Martin who began the character assassination of Dave Ferrie, which
Jim Garrison eagerly picked up and disseminated.
Weberman write:
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ferrie . . . said he first met Suggs in the Fall of 1961 and "since that time
Suggs has attempted to insert himself in his [Ferrie's] personal affairs . . .
He stated that Suggs began visiting him at the office of Attorney G. Wray Gill
and that Mr. Gill did not want Mr. Suggs hanging around his office. Ferrie
claimed that in June 1963 he put Suggs out of Mr. Gill's office in an
undiplomatic manner, and that since that time Suggs has bedeviled him in every
possible manner . . ."
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Gus Russo writes:
(quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
David Ferrie has long been portrayed on paper and in film as an American
grotesque: a raving hater of President Kennedy, who threatened to kill the
President. He was said to be angry at JFK for failing to help the Cuban exiles
restore liberty to their land. It seems certain he made a celebrated statement
after the Bay of Pigs fiasco on which much of the portrait has been based. That
incident occurred in July 1961, when Ferrie was addressing the New Orleans
chapter of the Order of World Wars. Ferrie became so critical of Kennedy's
handling of the Bay of Pigs invasion that he was asked to discontinue his
remarks. But that was almost certainly taken out of context and misinterpreted.
A devout Catholic (who was, for a time, a seminarian), Ferrie voted for Kennedy
in 1960 and was "elated" when he defeated Richard Nixon for the presidency that
year. "Things are going to turn for the better now that a Catholic has been
elected," a good friend would remember Ferrie saying. Another friend
elaborated, "After all, he was an Irish Catholic too. He was an enthusiastic
supporter [of Kennedy]. Dave was a spokesman for the Kennedys . To him, the
idea of a Catholic president was mind-boggling, He thought Kennedy was
fabulous" (Russo, *Live By the Sword,* 144).
(end quote) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Who's pushed the idea of Ferrie as a rabid right-winger, a Kennedy-hater, a
potential murderer? Two people first and foremost: Jim Garrison, who got his
information almost solely from Jack Martin (and Martin's friend and future
roommate David F. Lewis) and G. Robert Blakey, who needed a Mob "connection"
close to Oswald; Ferrie, an employee of Carlos Marcello's lawyer, G. Wray Gill,
fit the bill.
Researchers love to cite the HSCA on the Clinton witnesses' credibility. Who
was responsible for bestowing this mantle of credence on the Clinton folks? G.
Robert Blakey and his co-author on both the HSCA Final Report and Blakey's own
book, *The Plot to Kill the President* (since reissued as *Fatal Hour*),
Richard Billings.
Who was Richard Billings? Billing had been a reporter for *LIFE* covering the
Garrison investigation. When *LIFE* made the decision that Garrison's
investigation was disreputable and they would no longer cover it, Billings went
kicking and screaming. Later in 1968, Billings tried several times to contact
Garrison, but Garrison was stung by *LIFE's* loss of confidence in him and
blamed Billings at least in part.
Of all the journalists who were close to the Garrison investigation in its
early stage, only Billings maintained a low profile following the release of
Oliver Stone's *JFK,* refraining from the sort of criticism that others like
George Lardner and James Phelan renewed upon Garrison. See Patricia Lambert's
*False Witness* and Tom Bethell's diary at John McAdams' Kennedy Assassination
Home Page for more about Richard Billings and Jim Garrison.
So the two men responsible for bestowing credibility upon the Clinton witnesses
were a longtime Garrison loyalist and G. Robert Blakey, who needed a
Ferrie-Oswald connection to bolster his Mob-did-it theory. Yet these same two
men are rightly criticized by conspiracy theorists and lone-nutters alike for
distorting the HSCA's work in their Final Report and Blakey's own book on the
case. This is just one of many examples of CTs citing a source they would
normally avoid like the plague, simply because it suits their agenda -- just as
it fit the agendas of G. Robert Blakey, Richard Billings and Jim Garrison to
portray David Ferrie as a demented, rabidly anti-Kennedy fanatic.
It's time to cut Dave Ferrie loose, folks. We goofed. We believed the ravings
of Jack Martin, the groundless insinuations of Jim Garrison, and the biased and
selfish claims of Robert Blakey and Richard Billings. There has never been the
tiniest shred of evidence against David Ferrie, and we disgrace ourselves by
clinging to fantasies about trips to Houston, library cards and "mysterious
deaths."
David Ferrie was an innocent man. Let him rest in peace.
DR
LMcdan1313
Shaw paid for Oswald's boat ticket to Russia and Ferrie knew all about Oswald's
activities for the Gov. The CIA admitted in 1975 Shaw was an employee
Martin Shackelford
and Shaw together.
At one time, photos of a 1949 radio station benefit were thought to show Shaw,
Ferrie, and some said even Oswald.
Shaw does appear in the photos, but "Ferrie" is a radio station employee, and
"Oswald" is older than Oswald was at the time (10).
Martin
--
Martin Shackelford
"You're going to find that many of the truths we
cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
"You must unlearn what you have learned." --Yoda
Dreitzes
>From: lmcda...@aol.com (LMcdan1313)
>Date: 4/29/99 7:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <19990429193441...@ng-cb1.aol.com>
>
>Bullshit, there are photos of Oswald and Ferrie together as well as Clay
>Shaw.
You are mistaken. The photos in question were taken in 1949 at a benefit party
for New Orleans' WDSU radio station. The man believed by some to be David
Ferrie has been positively identified as WDSU employee Robert Brannon, who died
in 1962. Jim Garrison knew that the man was Brannon; he had copies of the
photos in his files with Brannon's name written on them, and was questioning
people about them as early as March 1967. The so-called "Oswald" figure does
not even remotely resemble Oswald in decent first-generation prints; see Gus
Russo's *Live By the Sword* for an example. BTW, in 1949, Oswald would have
been ten years old.
Neither Shaw nor Ferrie can be connected to the assassination, so the photos
you mention wouldn't prove much even if they were authentic. If you disagree
with any of the above, kindly explain why and cite primary source material to
support your claims.
>Shaw paid for Oswald's boat ticket to Russia
Could you cite your source, please? There's no factual basis for this
assertion. Are you basing it perhaps on the fact that Oswald bought his boat
ticket at a travel agency located in one of the many International Trade Mart
offices? That strikes me as quite a leap of logic.
And since neither Oswald nor Shaw can be linked to Ferrie with any certainty,
you seem to be drifting a bit off-topic. You were going to explain why we
should be suspicious of David Ferrie, were you not?
If by chance you should have any evidence linking Clay Shaw to any criminal
activity, there are dozens of Garrison fans who would love to hear from you
about it. Please cite primary sources to support your claims.
and Ferrie knew all about
>Oswald's
>activities for the Gov.
Ferrie denied knowing anything about Oswald; no one's ever proved him wrong,
though we now know the two of them met on one or two, possibly three occasions
in 1955. There is no credible evidence for a 1963 relationship between the two,
certainly not in the last months of Oswald's life, when he was not in contact
with anyone in New Orleans.
What activities of Oswald's would you be talking about anyway? Cite your
sources please.
>The CIA admitted in 1975 Shaw was an employee>
I'm afraid you're batting zero today, friend. The CIA acknowledged that Clay
Shaw was a contact from 1949 to 1956, passing along routine trade-related
information from his ITM experiences, just like thousands of other
international businessmen. He did not work for the CIA and the HSCA determined
that he was never paid a dime for the information he supplied. We now have
copies of the reports generated by the information Shaw provided. You can
obtain copies at the National Archives. They discuss international trade.
And since Shaw did not know Ferrie and Shaw cannot be connected to the
assassination of John F. Kennedy, you would seem to be on extremely shaky
ground in your entire approach to this discussion. I could have sworn we were
talking about David Ferrie. No?
If it is Shaw you are interested in, however, I'd be happy to talk about him.
I'd like to hear anything you can offer about why a New Orleans DA would have
attempted to railroad an innocent man the way he did. Before you respond,
however, I recommend a reading of my post, "Who Speaks for Clay Shaw?" or
Patricia Lambert's new book, *False Witness,* as you seem to be getting your
information thus far from some highly questionable sources.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shaw1.htm
Dave Reitzes
Atlasrecrd
Dave,
Despite what you write, there is no question Ferrie was an avid Kennedy hater.
Anyone that flew missions for the exiles and worked for Marcello was bound to
be such. Characterising someone that was tossed from the missionary for
sodomising
young boys (and enjoyed the company of organised crime bosses) as an angel is a
joke.
As far as Ferrie's public attack on Kennedy -"He ought to be shot", Russo's
statement
that "this was probably taken out of context" is pathetic Posnerian apologist
drivel, as is the rest of his brown-nosed tome. Ferrie's remarks were
perjoritive and left little room for reinterpretation. Deal with it.
Dreitzes
>Date: 4/30/99 12:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <19990430003420...@ng-fa1.aol.com>
>
>
> Dave,
> Despite what you write, there is no question Ferrie was an avid Kennedy
>hater.
Please cite your sources, Matt. I'm not going to take your word for it.
>Anyone that flew missions for the exiles and worked for Marcello was bound to
>be such.
If you say so . . .
Characterising someone that was tossed from the missionary for
>sodomising
>young boys (and enjoyed the company of organised crime bosses) as an angel is
>a
>joke.
When did I call him an angel? Aren't you being a little reactionary?
>As far as Ferrie's public attack on Kennedy -"He ought to be shot", Russo's
>statement
>that "this was probably taken out of context" is pathetic Posnerian apologist
>drivel, as is the rest of his brown-nosed tome. Ferrie's remarks were
>perjoritive and left little room for reinterpretation. Deal with it.
I'm going to believe Ferrie's friends and acquaintances before I'm going to
believe you. Deal with it.
Matt, stop beating around the bush. Do you or do you not believe David Ferrie
was an assassination conspirator? If so, what's your reasoning? If not, why do
you cling to Big Jim's mythology?
DR
AnthonyMarsh
>
> Bullshit, there are photos of Oswald and Ferrie together as well as Clay Shaw.
> activities for the Gov. The CIA admitted in 1975 Shaw was an employee
Not exactly. No proof of a direct link between Shaw and Oswald. The link
is Ferrie. There are many different types of relationships to the CIA
which do not involve employment. Clay Shaw was an asset, a contact, not
an employee.
--
Anthony Marsh
The Puzzle Palace http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh
Dreitzes
>
>LMcdan1313 wrote:
>>
>> Bullshit, there are photos of Oswald and Ferrie together as well as Clay
>Shaw.
>> Shaw paid for Oswald's boat ticket to Russia and Ferrie knew all about
>Oswald's
>> activities for the Gov. The CIA admitted in 1975 Shaw was an employee
>
>Not exactly. No proof of a direct link between Shaw and Oswald. The link
>is Ferrie.
Please elaborate, Anthony. What was the nature of this link, what was its
significance and how did it manifest itself on 11-22-63?
Atlasrecrd
>Matt, stop beating around the bush. Do you or do you not believe David >Ferrie
was an assassination conspirator?
Do I think Ferrie planned the assassination? No.
Do I think Ferrie knew Oswald? Without a doubt, yes. Not just from CAP,
but from Oswald's activities in NO in summer '63. That is why I believe
Banister also must have at least had cognizance of Oswald; Banister lived to
keep tabs on people pulling the stunts Oswald was doing.
I think it is *possible* that Ferrie was used to help create the legend of
LHO. I also think Ferrie surely would have gotten wind that people in the exile
community were talking of killing JFK to help their cause. I doubt that he knew
LHO was to be fingered as the assassin. His behavior after the assassination
-frantic searches for pictures of Oswald and he together- indicate someone who
was surprised by the day's events.
What I object to is painting this person as anything but a right-wing,
commie-hating Kennedy disliker. Why? Because I believe he and his likeminded
ilk created the enviroment that allowed such an assassination to occur.
Dreitzes
>Message-id: <19990430010432...@ng-fa1.aol.com>
Ferrie was anti-Communist, but he was not a right-winger. That's a Garrison
myth to which you seem a little attached. I've shown you precisely where that
myth arose. I cited the sources. Now it's your turn. If Garrison characterized
Ferrie accurately, please demonstrate this to be so; cite sources.
David Ferrie voted for John F. Kennedy in 1960, was thrilled to have a Catholic
president, and was considered by those who knew him to be quite pro-Kennedy.
The only black mark on Kennedy's record as far as Ferrie was concerned was the
Bay of Pigs. The remarks Ferrie is believed to have made about JFK were made in
July 1961. As far as his friends and acquaintances recall, whatever hostility
there was dissipated before long. Ferrie particularly approved of JFK's stance
on civil rights. He was not a racist like many of Banister's cronies. In fact,
Ferrie wasn't even a Banister crony; he and Banister helped each other out with
a few things because of their mutual association with Carlos Marcello's
lawyers.
Meanwhile, all the talk in the world about Banister and Ferrie knowing Oswald
doesn't change the fact that there's not a shred of evidence tying either
Ferrie or Banister to the assassination.
Do you disagree? If so, why? Please cite sources.
DR
Tony Pitman
<pip...@mailcity.com> wrote:
>
>
>Dreitzes wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ferrie was anti-Communist, but he was not a right-winger. That's a Garrison
>> myth to which you seem a little attached.
>
>That's also something that is so deep that a lot of our friends up here on this
>newsgroup will simply never understand it--they being so devoted to ideological
>concepts of "black" and "white" and "right" and "left."
I'm not surprised. That's like saying his left hand didn't know what
his right hand was doing because he was a right handed southpaw who
was cross eyed.
Mind you he was a very strange individual.
So was his mate, that pillar of society Clay Shaw, with his blood
stained whips and chains.
Tony
Tony
Dreitzes
You're inching closer and closer to hate speech, Tony. Should I be surprised?
Or is that where Garrison lies ultimately lead?
DR