Shaw and the UFO's
Leo Sgouros
--
The King has note of all they intend
By interception which they dream not of
-William Shakespeare
Richard Vizzutti
<lsgo...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
I may of missed the original post. Was Shaw promoting UFOs. If so, this is
a strong clue that someone else that is never talked about here was
involved in the assassination. Someone want to fill me in. -Rick-
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>Meganet777 wrote:
>
>> huh ?
>
>You dont KNOW?
>about the UFO connection?
>
>
>where ya been, girly-mon?
>I wanna
>PUMP
>you up.
>
>Hey, I am waiting for 400 installments of "Clay Shaws laundry
>inventory".
>its coming I fear.
Not to worry. I am not talking about aliens. I onlty wish that they do
exist so I can snap one of their little necks and sell to the highest
media offer. :-)
Larry Hancock
I'm with Rick....where did the Shaw and UFO's think come in?,
maybe we get another chance to talk about Chrisman...?
-- Larry
Martin Shackelford
invasion when snapping his neck isn't well-received by his colleagues?
Martin
Richard Vizzutti wrote:
--
Martin Shackelford
"You're going to find that many of the truths we
cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
"You must unlearn what you have learned." --Yoda
Meganet777
Thin Lizzy
Dreitzes
>From: ri...@aisl.bc.ca (Richard Vizzutti)
>Date: 2/2/99 11:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <rick-02029...@dial116.aisl.bc.ca>
>
>In article <Kgyt2.5145$md2....@newse2.tampabay.rr.com>, "Leo Sgouros"
><lsgo...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Something ther, I swer.
>>
>>--
>>The King has note of all they intend
>>By interception which they dream not of
>>-William Shakespeare
>
>I may of missed the original post. Was Shaw promoting UFOs. If so, this is
>a strong clue that someone else that is never talked about here was
>
>--
>"Don't deny the facts. Just admit that you don't accept them."
>
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Project Paperclip and the Kennedy Assassination
by Alex Constantine
After the fall of Berlin, the Allies launched Operation Lusty to gather
scientific papers, blueprints and experimental models hidden away in abandoned
mines, ancient castles, caves and buried vaults throughout occupied Europe. In
his review of Nazi technology, Colonel Donald Putt, assistant commanding
officer for the Allied Technical Information Service (soon to serve in
Operation Paperclip with a promotion to Lt. General), stated in July 1946 that
fleeing German scientists had left behind, at Peenemunde, Wiener Neustadt (home
of the famed Nazi "Foo Fighters") and elsewhere, prototypical marvels of future
air warfare.
After the occupation of Germany, Colonel Putt toured the once-bustling R&D
complex at
Volkenrode. Journalist Tom Bower reported in 1987 that Putt was "amazed."
Strolling though the laboratories, the colonel "realized he was in the midst of
[the] most magnificent and lavish research facility ever constructed. The sheer
abundance and extravagance of the instruments, subsidiary tools and testing
equipment were awe-inspiring."
Theodore von Karmen, an American scientific adviser to the Air Force, was
struck by the overwhelming evidence of German technical superiority. He was one
of a small circle of military officials who, Bower reports, "forged the wartime
marriage between the military and the scientists." Von Karmen found employment
after the war at CalTech, where he worked closely with Jack Parsons, the head
of the Agape Lodge of the Ordo Templis Orientis (OTO), the occult lodge in
Pasadena frequented by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. A publicity release
from
Kelly Air Force Base touts Karman and Putt as originators of "a program to
bring hundreds of
Germany's best scientists and technicians to the United States." Putt was a
"founding father" of the Air Force Scientific and Technical Intelligence
Division. He was the postwar deputy commanding general for intelligence in the
Air Technical Service. In 1995, he was inducted into the Air Intelligence
Agency's "Hall of Honor."
Many were briefed on aspects of the Nazi exodus, but two men knew all. The
debriefing of Kammler and Speer took place in a pocket of history sealed and
stricken from the record by the Pentagon. The fumigators converged on the
moment. There survives no record that officials of the U.S. mission ever spoke
to Herr Kammler - the man who built Auschwitz and Nordhousen- or even sought
him out, an impossible oversight.
Four entirely different accounts of have been given of his disappearance on
April 17, 1945.
Transcripts of the interrogation of Albert Speer by Allied official s are
stored at the British Public Record Office. Their release has been denied until
the year 2020, ignoring the standard 30-year policy. A microfilm copy of the
interrogation of Albert Speer is filed at the U.S. National Archives. Speer
stubbornly denied knowledge of the Holocaust at Nuremberg, but a number of
scholars have rejected his disavowals, including Matthias Schmidt in Albert
Speer: The End of a Myth (1984), and Gitta Sereny in Albert Speer: His Battle
with Truth (1995). He was denied a
position in the postwar West German government because he was considered
tainted. Speer's memoirs briefly mention the development of flying saucers. The
books were best-sellers and made him millions.
The confiscation of German scientific files and prototypes was the chore of
Allied "T-Forces," OSS and military operatives assisted by "Paperclip"
personnel, playing escort to the Nazi romance with bloodshed.
An Octopus's Garden
Top Gun pilots chased a UFO across Europe to within five miles of the English
coast, it was
claimed yesterday.
A Belgium F16 Fighter locked onto the craft, but it swerved and vanished after
accelerating from 230 mph to 1,700 mph in half a second. More than 13,000
people in three countries reported seeing the UFO in 1990. Now author Derick
Sheffield is claiming a cover-up by the Ministry of Defence.
- The Sun (UK)
4th September 1995
On numerous occasions, I was hypnotized to think that the helicopters I was
forced to ride in were UFO's. - Kathleen S., Abductee
Among the first of the technical hunters and gatherers was Major Clay Shaw,
OSS, the spy who went on to become general manager of New Orlean's
International Trade Mart, an import-export concern with a clutch of European
war criminals on its board of directors. He was the wartime aide de camp to
General Charles Thrasher. After the war, Shaw rose to deputy chief of staff at
a
detainment camp for Nazi POWs. In The Kennedy Conspiracy, Paris Flammonde
describes a fateful meeting:
Von Braun first met Clay Shaw in 1945 when he, Walter Dornberger [soon to
become the
chairman of Bell Helicopter] and about 150 other Nazi rocket scientists
abandoned Peneemunde and traveled south to join the American forces in Germany
close to the French border. The Nazis were brought to the Deputy Chief of
Staff's headquarters where major Clay Shaw maintained their relationship over
the years through their mutual connection with the Defense Industrial
Security Command, or D.I.S.C., an operational arm of the counterespionage
division of the FBI.
Shaw was arrested and tried for complicity in the murder of John Kennedy,
acquitted on March 1, 1969 by a grand jury. When Shaw learned he was a suspect
in the Garrison investigation, he immediately phoned one Fred Lee Crisman, a
veteran of Operation Paperclip and a covert contract "security" specialist for
aerospace firms. In 1947, Shaw's contact supposedly found "metal slag"
fragments dropped by a UFO over Maurey Island off Tacoma, Washington. Crisman
claimed to have given the fragments to two G-2 officers from Wright-Patterson
Air Force Base (a Paperclip stronghold overseen by General Twining), witnesses
of the overflight. Their plane crashed three days later, killing them both. The
ensuing investigation determined that the plane had been "sabotaged." Ever the
good soldier, Crisman steered speculation over motive to the slag.
Anthony Kimery, a publisher and former organized crime inves tigator in
Washington, D.C., thinks Crisman "knew a lot more about the aircraft
[witnesses] saw than he admitted - aircraft some intelligence sources believe
were hybrids of those designed early that decade by Nazi engineers who were
brought to the U.S. under Project Paperclip."
Another link to Dallas was the UFO found by Guy Banister, the FBI
"counter-terrorist" for
Division Five who lurked at 544 Camp Street, a fierce anti-communist alleged in
conspiracy lore to have run Lee Harvey Oswald through a self-implicating
obstacle course on the edge of the John Kennedy assassination. In 1947,
Banister reported the discovery of a "flying disk" in Twin Falls, Idaho,
according to a July 11, 1947 Associated Press report. The saucer measured about
30.5-inches across, and "appeared to have been turned out by a machine,"
possibly a prototype. Suspects in the Kennedy assassination somehow had a knack
for stumbling onto the disks.
It is a comment on the UFO-mind-control-intelligence connection that the
counterterrorist unit of the FBI already tied to Shaw and Crisman, Division
Five, also employed Guy Banister - and has
been largely responsible for the development of a form of remote brain
manipulation known as Ultrasonic Intra-Cerebral Control.
For my Oswald series featuring the research of John Armstrong, please see:
gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us:70/11/SIGS/JFK/Only/JA/DR
For my article, "Who Speaks for Clay Shaw?" please see:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shaw1.htm
Richard Vizzutti
earth bovine slop. He is very cool in some areas of research and very
deceptive in others. -Rick-
Larry Hancock
Thanks Dave...looks like familiar material. I'd love
to have something concrete to tie Shaw and Chrisman
together before 1964. We've done alot of looking and
some far better folks than I have been at it for a long
time without finding it so far.
On the other hand Chrisman did apply for work with the
AEC at Roswell after Maury Island so that's something
at least...just no Shaw.
-- Larry
Howpl
Col. Corso's book that came out last year - The Day After Roswell - was, as he
claims, head of Army tecnology research, an investigator for Sen. Russell, and
close pals with Hoover.These are undisputable facts, I believe. He was also
reputed to be instrumental in securing the services of Nazi scientists for the
US.
The book is an eye-opener, whether a true confession (in which case our
government has, via Corso, confessed to a conspiracy to suppress our knowlege
of UFOs), or, as I'm sure most of this group believe, sheer disinformation OR a
way for an 82-year-old man to leave some money behind for his family.
How is that Jim Marrs gets off so easily for writing Alien Agenda? This is
true believer stuff.
As for myself, I refuse to state a position on the grounds that it might
humiliate me. I guess I'm an agnostic, but the data is endless and fascinating
-- and you might be surprised by how similar the JFK and UFO debates have
developed.
-Howard
Dreitzes
>Date: 2/4/99 4:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Dave Reitzes responds:
No comment on that last remark.
CTs don't want to discredit other CTs whose work they find valuable.
"Crossfire* is a popular and reasonably respected book, so Marrs' UFO book --
like Paris Flammonde's -- gets ignored, and no one but David Lifton ever made
fun of Sylvia Meagher for her large collection of UFO books. Flammonde and
Meagher's JFK-related books are level-headed in most respects, however, where
Marrs indulges in a great deal of speculation and relies in many cases on
secondary sources, making him a riper target for attack. When *Alien Agenda*
came out, I grimaced and was glad I didn't especially value *Crossfire* as an
assassination reference. When I read a review in a NY weekly paper debunking a
number of Marrs' claims in *Alien Agenda,* I grimaced again and let it go. The
mainstream media generally won't pay a conspiracy author much attention, and
JFK CTs probably tend to be either too credulous or too embarrassed to
criticize.
My bias in the UFO debate should be evident from the above. I don't have much
to say on the subject, as I certainly don't doubt the possibility of life
elsewhere in this vast universe of ours; I just think that any civilization
advanced enough to travel the millions of light years it would take to reach us
-- not to mention invade our radar-enmeshed airspace undetected -- would have
better things to do than leave crop circles and harass country folk.
I also think that people who complain about non-existent conspiracies make the
rest of us look silly. Which -- while I acknowledge the relative nature of "the
rest of us" -- is one of my main beefs with Jim Garrison and his devotees.
Dave
Richard Vizzutti
it to make it non creditable. Jim points out some of the truth in the
start of the book then seems to drift into the alien disinformation vacum?
I am so sick of hearing about these lone nut aliens. (They're here for the
beer!) -Rick-
In article <19990204163528...@ng97.aol.com>, ho...@aol.com
(Howpl) wrote:
>fyi -
>
>Col. Corso's book that came out last year - The Day After Roswell - was, as he
>claims, head of Army tecnology research, an investigator for Sen. Russell, and
>close pals with Hoover.These are undisputable facts, I believe. He was also
>reputed to be instrumental in securing the services of Nazi scientists for the
>US.
>
>The book is an eye-opener, whether a true confession (in which case our
>government has, via Corso, confessed to a conspiracy to suppress our knowlege
>of UFOs), or, as I'm sure most of this group believe, sheer disinformation OR a
>way for an 82-year-old man to leave some money behind for his family.
>
>How is that Jim Marrs gets off so easily for writing Alien Agenda? This is
>true believer stuff.
>
>As for myself, I refuse to state a position on the grounds that it might
>humiliate me. I guess I'm an agnostic, but the data is endless and fascinating
>-- and you might be surprised by how similar the JFK and UFO debates have
>developed.
>
>-Howard
>
>
--
K.B.
wrote:
Several years ago, TRUE magazine had an interesting article written by
a fellow whom had been the head of "Project Bluebook". He beleived in
UFO's also.
"...and the cynic was the most futile of cowards, merely confessing the
inadequacy of his former ideals." John Cunningham
-Keith Bruner-
Tony Pitman
> huh ?
Unfortunately Found Out
James Crary
in a small object like a key to disappear here in Pittsburgh and
materialize at Berkeley within milli-seconds. With such art slowly
reaching the public domain, is there any wonder dreams of distant space
travel seem more real? While I have only verified this experiment
through one outside source, I have reason to believe it an accurate
story. While I certainly do not believe in UFO's and grimaced when I
saw Jim Marrs' book "Alien Agenda" I am the type to wonder why the
U.S.S. Iowa and the Oklahoma Federal Building were bombed on the same
day. Probably because I'm an Uninformed Foolish Ogre.
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Richard Vizzutti
dea...@webtv.net (James Crary) wrote:
Real advanced technology has been hidden from us and kept by the military
for decades. Any new technology that does not conform to the production
and and sale of oil disappears pronto.Oil represents a min. of 400
trillion dollars a year in profits world wide. This is why plastic was
allowed to become part of our society. It is petroleum based.
Teleportation does not represent the consumption of more oil so therefore
it will remain hidden from us. On the Discovery channel, it indicated that
teleportation was just around the corner and that there was a major
experiment about to take place. Nothing was ever mentioned again. If
public science was so very close to making it a reality, then you can bet
that the military has had it for many years.
Jim Marrs knows as well as I do that UFO's (electro-saucers) have a well
documented history of an earthly origin.Why he adds the alien disinfo
material in his book is beyond me. I like and respect Jim very much, but
the alien disinfo is pure fiction.Roswell is too is another culture
awareness manipulation. It was a bungled hoax covered up by another hoax.I
live right near and Air Force base and see a lot of the training flights
for these electro-saucers at night. Nobody in my town thinks they are from
outer space. We haven't fallen prey to the false culture experience
created by the media.
There is a direct plan of usage for these saucers. I wrote an article
giving a brief historical history of them and what will be done with them.
I will send it to anyone that asks. I won't be holding my breath though.
Most people on these NGs are not here to learn or to share information.
They just want to hear themselves argue. Note too that there is a very
good UFO link on my JFK website.And if one day you should ever come a
cross a so called real alien, poke it with a long sharp stick for me.
-Rick-
James Crary
Marrs wanted the last laugh on the culturalization that associated the
JFK research with UFOs for ages.
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Richard Vizzutti
<a...@southern.co.nz> wrote:
>But why cant there be alien beings visiting here?
I was a pro visititationist for many years and was a very deticated
researcher. I have talked to a few well known witnesses in my day. After
20 years of research, I found that there was no proof at all. A lot of
nice stories but...
>I can see you guy are not betting men.
>The odds against us being the only planet with life
>are ginormous and the odds against us being the most
>intelligent, technically advanced are almost as great.
>If we have teleportation why cant they?
Hey I like that! But still there is no proof. Just all these lone space
alien stories.
>They fact that we dont know something doesn't
>mean it doesn't exist.
Everything in reality leves it's mark some how.
>Another thing I recall is that , years ago a man here
>in N.Z. managed to get a car to run on water.
>Whether he managed to extract the hydrogen and
>run it on that or what, I dont know.
>The story made it onto national TV and all and then
>the whole thing just suddenly was gone.
>Oil Companies?
Yah. Remember the 100 mpg Charb for one. The media did everything it could
to make it appear to be a hoax.There was a man who ran his car all over
town from a Tesla coil on the roof of his house that sent the eletricity
out like radio waves. Ford bought the guy out and shelved all his
technology. It's in the archives. I also have heard of many people that
have come forward with a new form of energy and have dropped dead. Joseph
Newman is a man that proved to NASA that his free energy machine put out
far far more energy that what was put in. Check out his website.
Government hates his guts, but he is far too visable.
Technology is like teeth. Natives have very good teeth. In Fiji the people
use a certain stick of wood on their teeth. This wood not only cleans the
teeth, but reverses gum disease! Ah but soon the Crest tooth past company
goes over and says, Dummy up you stupid natives! You need to brush your
teeth with a tooth brush and Crest tooth paste. Only with our product will
you heathens obtain healthy teeth and gums!
This is what are entire system of education does to us. It teaches us that
there is no form of energy outside of fossil fuels, and that us brainless
cattle need to buy Rockefeller's oil in order to exist as a society. This
is why they teach Einstein in school and not Tesla's proven physics.
Gee. I wonder why people don't talk about Rockefeller's involvement in
the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Too much tooth paste I guess.
>I dont know.
>
>Tony
Tony Pitman
I can see you guy are not betting men.
The odds against us being the only planet with life
are ginormous and the odds against us being the most
intelligent, technically advanced are almost as great.
If we have teleportation why cant they?
They fact that we dont know something doesn't
mean it doesn't exist.
Another thing I recall is that , years ago a man here
in N.Z. managed to get a car to run on water.
Whether he managed to extract the hydrogen and
run it on that or what, I dont know.
The story made it onto national TV and all and then
the whole thing just suddenly was gone.
Oil Companies? I dont know.
Tony
ko...@my-dejanews.com
>
> But why cant there be alien beings visiting here?
> I can see you guy are not betting men.
> The odds against us being the only planet with life
> are ginormous and the odds against us being the most
> intelligent, technically advanced are almost as great.
> If we have teleportation why cant they?
> They fact that we dont know something doesn't
> mean it doesn't exist.
> Another thing I recall is that , years ago a man here
> in N.Z. managed to get a car to run on water.
> Whether he managed to extract the hydrogen and
> run it on that or what, I dont know.
> The story made it onto national TV and all and then
> the whole thing just suddenly was gone.
> Oil Companies? I dont know.
>
> Tony
Yea I remember a show I think it was narrated by Lenard Nemoy
(however you spell it) about a guy who made a car run on a clean
burning water based fuel. Vapor was mostly all just water
vapor clean enough to safetly breath.
I think he said it would only take about 1/2 hour to convert a regular gas
engine to burn his fuel. All this and never heard about it ever
again.
Nothing will change until it is too late and the greed
of the wealthy has destroyed our enviroment and our
childrens future. Our weather is already going wacky, cancer and
desease increasing, trees dying in low lands, frog population
way down, water sucks in many areas, etc.
Keep pumping the fossil fuels, pesticides, herbacides, dumping,
and crap in our food, as long as the billions of dollars flow
they don't care.
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awareness. Just a thought.
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Richard Vizzutti
dea...@webtv.net (James Crary) wrote:
Did you know that the Nazi's were the first environmentalists. -Rick-
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Then comes a vindictive Irish man that becomes President and starts to
push the elite around and begins overthrowing their power blocks. Gee. I
wonder who killed Kennedy? For a lot of researchers it is more important
which window was he shot from and how many rounds were fired. We are
cattle being led by the elites.
You mentioned cancer. Do we all honestly think that after all the billions
of dollars put into research that there still is no cure and that it's
still a deep mystery. Year after year we hear the words, We're getting
close to a cure. I have heard many times of cures discovered then suddenly
they have their funding cut off. Yep no more Rockefeller Foundation
dollars coming in. Disease is what keeps the Rockefeller dominated
pharmaceutical companies making massive profits and wealth. Also these
good ole boys never pay taxes. Only us cattle do. The whole debt created
money system is unconstitutional. Kennedy tried to put a stop to it but...
Now there is some gov. flunky that is reading this and labelling me as a
domestic anti-government terrorist. Kennedy was a threat to the
establishment and had to be killed. All upiddy cows go to the glue
factory. Many will find my words silly, but these are the same people that
think Y2K is just an accident. Geesh! -Rick-
Martin Shackelford
It's just silly to say that the Nazis were the first
environmentalists. What about the environmentalists of the late 1800s who
began the movement to create the national park system, a movement aided
later by Theodore Roosevelt? Before that, there was Henry David Thoreau,
among others.
Martin
Richard Vizzutti wrote:
> In article <23873-36...@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> dea...@webtv.net (James Crary) wrote:
>
> > I understand that Al Gore has a reputation for environmental
> >awareness. Just a thought.
> >
> >Construction Site: www.inergy.com/crary
>
> Did you know that the Nazi's were the first environmentalists. -Rick-
>
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<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>Rick:
>
> It's just silly to say that the Nazis were the first
>environmentalists. What about the environmentalists of the late 1800s who
>began the movement to create the national park system, a movement aided
>later by Theodore Roosevelt? Before that, there was Henry David Thoreau,
>among others.
>
>Martin
Yah I said that wrong. Never the less they were very much into earth
awareness. The New Age movement of today is merely an extention of their
occult doctrines.
Now that I have your ear..I just read some where that the CIA fashioned
it's society structure of the SS. Have you any info on that? -Rick-
James Crary
opposed the applause that other persons in Earth First voiced concerning
Aids. To be fair.
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environmentalists Nazi's. Bucky Fuller was a humanist. But you do have
a point. I used to have clippings regarding Earth First and their
applause for the Aids virus.
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Martin Shackelford
planet as a whole. Not an easy question to answer.
Martin
James Crary wrote:
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the inhabitants) is a crime and should be treated as such.
---James
The debate was over whether humans were a good thing or a bad thing for
the planet as a whole. Not an easy question to answer.
Martin
I suspect we'll know for sure in a hundred years or so.
---James
Richard Vizzutti
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>The debate was over whether humans were a good thing or a bad thing for the
>planet as a whole. Not an easy question to answer.
>
>Martin
Posner is bad for the planet and must go. :-) -Rick-
>James Crary wrote:
>
>> Footnote: There were people who seemed to be in Earth First who
>> opposed the applause that other persons in Earth First voiced concerning
>> Aids. To be fair.
>>
>> Construction Site: www.inergy.com/crary
>
>--
>Martin Shackelford
>
>"You're going to find that many of the truths we
> cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
> -Obi-Wan Kenobi
>
>"You must unlearn what you have learned." --Yoda
--
Richard Vizzutti
dea...@webtv.net (James Crary) wrote:
Most (not all) eviromentalists want to see a massive reduction of the
world's population through any means. The U.N. id calling for a reduction
of 2 billion people to start. People are hurting Mother Nature so humans
must die. We had a guy here that wanted to blow up our local paper mill.
He was not too interested in human life. All he cared about was Mother
earth Godess Gaya (sp?) Charles Harrelson carried a card that had the
letters ZPG on it. When asked about the meaning, he said it was short for
Zero Population Growth. -Rick-
James Crary
injecting the blood?" Will Zell Broome, 1982, Poconos area cafe. Zell
was a mouse cage assembler at the Jackson Labs in 1988 when the Mt.
Desert Island Society for Human Ecology or their satellites were
conducting pre-meditated Aids-related experimentation with intended
mandatory testing outcome. Proof of this experimentation was printed at
Carnegie Mellon. A postcard from Zell's own hand. I have long wished
that I could say I am unsure of what I really heard in that cafe. My
life would sure be simpler today.
Martin Shackelford
In Harrelson's case, given the fact that he was a hired killer, he
probably carried the card as a joke.
Martin
Richard Vizzutti wrote:
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Richard Vizzutti
<msh...@concentric.net> wrote:
>Rick:
>
> In Harrelson's case, given the fact that he was a hired killer, he
>probably carried the card as a joke.
>
>Martin
Somehow I never got the feeling that Harrelson had any sense of humor at all.
"Do you believe in coincidences Mr. Garrison?" -Rick-
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"Don't deny the facts. Just admit that you don't accept them."
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K.B.
wrote:
>In article <79m3qs$d9l$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, ko...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
Its one thing to think with your brain, its another thing to think
with your "knowledge". Regards.
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"...and the cynic was the most futile of cowards, merely confessing the
Richard Vizzutti
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>Its one thing to think with your brain, its another thing to think
>with your "knowledge". Regards.
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And what do you do when it's all documented. I know. Deny it all. Denial
is the the No.1 industry. -Rick-
Vincent Runza
>You mentioned cancer. Do we all honestly think that after all the billions
>of dollars put into research that there still is no cure and that it's
>still a deep mystery. Year after year we hear the words, We're getting
>close to a cure. I have heard many times of cures discovered then suddenly
>they have their funding cut off.
Dear Richard,
Given that you may be scientifically challenged and somewhat innumerate,
let me respond to this point. Billions for research does not equal cure -
look at the common cold. As for 'discovered cures', many do show initial
promise - until the cancer comes back. In other words, yes, cancer is still
a deep mystery. Why cells decide to become immortal and proliferate is,
indeed, mysterious.
As for 'everything is a plot by the Powers That Be', why not try to
become one of them? Unless, of course, you think it might cause cancer.
Best wishes,
Vince, the power mad typist
dli...@earthlink.net
"and no one but David Lifton ever made
fun of Sylvia Meagher for her large collection of UFO books."
This is nonsense. Show me where I ever did any such thing.
DSL