RING AND I D
tomnln
What do you make of Oswald wearing his Marine Corps Ring and, his
Marine Corps I D Bracelet right up to the time of his arrest?
"Bud" <sirs...@fast.net> wrote in message
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>
> lazu...@webtv.net wrote:
>> Bud blurted out a booboo:
>>
>> "...a known political fanatic took his rifle to work."
>>
>> A "known political fanatic"?!!! Known by who? Certainly not the FBI,
>> since he was not one of the 10,000 extremists on their watch-list.
>
> I knew that was an open shot when I made the point. But, you are
> merging two separate concepts, as if they must be the same. Oz`s
> extreme political viewpoints were known, and he started expressing them
> at age 16, if not before. He had a long history of expousing political
> viewpoints, he was on radio programs expressing them, he "defected", he
> subscribed to extremist literature, he expressed extreme political
> views to numerous people. That he was a political extremist is known,
> but ignored by kooks, in order to pretend there is some mystery behind
> his actions.
> Another funny thing is that the kooks who criticise the the
> authorities for their lack of suspicion about Oz, are still not
> themselves suspicious of Oz post-assassination.
>
>> Could
>> it be because he was an FBI informant, do you suppose?
>
> You`d think that would make him a more suspicious person to you
> kooks, more likely to be the assassin instead of less.
>
>> Anyway, he was
>> not considered a danger to society by any authorities.
>
> Do you suppose that assesment changed after he killed Kennedy?
>
>> So why don't you
>> freeze your fast tongue and give your teeth a sleigh ride.
>
> Do you feel that you have in some way done harm to the idea that Oz
> was a known
> political fanatic? Do you think he was he keeping his political
> viewpoints to himself, and they were only revealed when his papers were
> found?
>
Bud
tomnln wrote:
> Bud;
> What do you make of Oswald wearing his Marine Corps Ring and, his
> Marine Corps I D Bracelet right up to the time of his arrest?
I make of it that he derived some benefit from wearing them. But,
what do you mean by "right up to", can you show pictures of him wearing
them in Russia? Does he have them on in the BY photos?
In any case, here is what he wrote to his brother Robert from
Russia...
"In the event of war, I would kill any ["any" is underlined] American
who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
American."
I guess that included his fellow Marines, and even ex-servicemen,
like Kennedy.
Heres the entire letter (if the link works), a good read to gather
insight into our hero...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/letter2.htm
Walt
Bud wrote:
> tomnln wrote:
> > Bud;
> > What do you make of Oswald wearing his Marine Corps Ring and, his
> > Marine Corps I D Bracelet right up to the time of his arrest?
>
> I make of it that he derived some benefit from wearing them. But,
> what do you mean by "right up to", can you show pictures of him wearing
> them in Russia? Does he have them on in the BY photos?
The ring is visible in photos that were taken in Russia.
The ring is visible in only ONE ( CE 399) of the BY photos
> In any case, here is what he wrote to his brother Robert from
> Russia...
>
> "In the event of war, I would kill any ["any" is underlined] American
> who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
> American."
Hey Dud.....If you were a spy in a foriegn country, and you wanted to
convince the government on which you were spying that you were a
bonifide defector... Would you write....Hey Robert I'm actually here as
a spy, so don't believe what you read in the papers.
Or would you write something like ----"In the event of war, I would
kill any American
who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
American."
Oswald knew his mail would be opened....So he wrote that for the
benefit of the KGB.
Walt
David VP
399 doubles as a B.Y. photo exhibit now too, in addition to the
stretcher bullet?
Plus: What do the ring and bracelet mean in the long run anyway?
Answer -- Nothing.
Is Walt (per chance) attempting to make something out of....NOTHING??
(As per the kook norm.)
Why of course he is.
After all -- that's the main occupation of a CT-Kook. Right?
tomnln
Doesn't sound like a genuine Commie to me.
"Bud" <sirs...@fast.net> wrote in message
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Walt
David VP wrote:
> >>> "The ring is visible in only ONE (CE 133A) of the BY photos..."
>
Thank you for pointing out that I used the wrong CE number . As you
can see I have corrected it ...... Sorry if I created some confusion.
Bud
Walt wrote:
> Bud wrote:
> > tomnln wrote:
> > > Bud;
> > > What do you make of Oswald wearing his Marine Corps Ring and, his
> > > Marine Corps I D Bracelet right up to the time of his arrest?
> >
> > I make of it that he derived some benefit from wearing them. But,
> > what do you mean by "right up to", can you show pictures of him wearing
> > them in Russia? Does he have them on in the BY photos?
>
> The ring is visible in photos that were taken in Russia.
Yah? Which ones?
> The ring is visible in only ONE ( CE 399) of the BY photos
> > In any case, here is what he wrote to his brother Robert from
> > Russia...
> >
> > "In the event of war, I would kill any ["any" is underlined] American
> > who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
> > American."
>
> Hey Dud.....If you were a spy in a foriegn country, and you wanted to
> convince the government on which you were spying that you were a
> bonifide defector... Would you write....Hey Robert I'm actually here as
> a spy, so don't believe what you read in the papers.
Ahh, nothing is as it seems. Good thing you kooks are so durn
clever.
> Or would you write something like ----"In the event of war, I would
> kill any American
> who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
> American."
>
> Oswald knew his mail would be opened....So he wrote that for the
> benefit of the KGB.
In what meaningful way have you ruled out that these were his true
feelings at the time?
Bud
tomnln wrote:
> Oswald wore those items when he was arrested.
>
> Doesn't sound like a genuine Commie to me.
And you aren`t one to latch on to an individual piece of information
as "this is all I gotta know", while ignoreing mounds of conflicting
information, are you?
Walt
>>>Bud wrote:
>>Walt wrote:
>>> "In the event of war, I would kill any ["any" is underlined] American
> > > who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
> > > American."
> >
> > Hey Dud.....If you were a spy in a foriegn country, and you wanted to
> > convince the government on which you were spying that you were a
> > bonifide defector... Would you write....Hey Robert I'm actually here as
> > a spy, so don't believe what you read in the papers.
>
>>> Ahh, nothing is as it seems. Good thing you kooks are so durn
>>> clever.
>
> > Or would you write something like ----"In the event of war, I would
> > kill any American
> > who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
> > American."
Hey Dud.... While you're reading yer bible ( The Warren Report) perhaps
you can find the letter that Lee Oswald wrote on board the SS Masdam on
his way home from Russia. In that letter Lee wrote:... "As for the
$............I was supposed to receive for this mission, I refuse it."
Lee was being debriefed aboard the ship after completing his assignment
in Russia.
>From the tone of the letter it's obvious that he's angry with the
government agent doing the debriefing. Apparently the agent accused
Oswald of violating some agreement about dealing with the Russians, and
Lee was pissed off.
Lee left the amount that he was supposed to be paid for his mission
inside the Iron curtain blank, for his own reasons, but it's obvious
that he was working for the U.S. Government when he was in Russia.
Walt
Walt
David VP wrote:
> >>> "The ring is visible in only ONE (CE 133A) of the BY photos..."
>
> 399 doubles as a B.Y. photo exhibit now too, in addition to the
> stretcher bullet?
>
> Plus: What do the ring and bracelet mean in the long run anyway?
>
> Answer -- Nothing.
Perhaps.......But it does seem strange that a "turncoat traitor" would
continue to wear his Marine Corps ring while engaging in anti-American
activities. ( "defecting" to the Soviet Union, Publicly voicing
support for Fidel Castro in N.O....ect)
Walt
Bud
Walt wrote:
> >>>Bud wrote:
> >>Walt wrote:
>
> >>> "In the event of war, I would kill any ["any" is underlined] American
> > > > who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
> > > > American."
> > >
> > > Hey Dud.....If you were a spy in a foriegn country, and you wanted to
> > > convince the government on which you were spying that you were a
> > > bonifide defector... Would you write....Hey Robert I'm actually here as
> > > a spy, so don't believe what you read in the papers.
> >
> >>> Ahh, nothing is as it seems. Good thing you kooks are so durn
> >>> clever.
> >
> > > Or would you write something like ----"In the event of war, I would
> > > kill any American
> > > who put a uniform on in defense of the American Government - any
> > > American."
>
> Hey Dud.... While you're reading yer bible ( The Warren Report) perhaps
> you can find the letter that Lee Oswald wrote on board the SS Masdam on
> his way home from Russia. In that letter Lee wrote:... "As for the
> $............I was supposed to receive for this mission, I refuse it."
It`s the SS Maasdam. And the note didn`t say "mission", did it,
Walt? You seem willing to disregard the words Oz did write, and eager
to add words he didn`t. Are you so desparate to see your beloved Patsy
exonerated that are willing to lie on his behalf? The fact is that Oz
was in contact with many souces in the months leading up to his
departure from Russia, trying to arrange for loans. He wrote the
International Rescue Committee twice, once asking for $800, and another
time $1000. His mother suggested he try to raise money by means of a
newspaper appeal, but he rejected the idea. He finally ended up getting
a promisary note from the US Embassy for $435.71. This note could have
been in regards to any of these activities. It also could be Oz was
going to refuse his wages from his job in the USSR.
> Lee was being debriefed aboard the ship after completing his assignment
> in Russia.
What was the name of the person who debriefed him?
> >From the tone of the letter it's obvious that he's angry with the
> government agent doing the debriefing. Apparently the agent accused
> Oswald of violating some agreement about dealing with the Russians, and
> Lee was pissed off.
Hmm, a kook reading things into sketchy information, I`ve never seen
that before.
> Lee left the amount that he was supposed to be paid for his mission
> inside the Iron curtain blank, for his own reasons, but it's obvious
> that he was working for the U.S. Government when he was in Russia.
This is the natural result when a kook attempts to fill in the
blanks. Is this what the WC should have returned?
> Walt
Walt
GET this straight asshole...... Oswald was not my "beloved Patsy" I
don't think I would have even liked the guy, because he had many of the
traits of a LNer. But I know a grave miscarriage of justice happened
and Oswald was made a scapegoat....It's as simple as that. And let's
get something else straight....I don't lie about this case.
Walt
aeffects
Dudster's a researcher Walt, he's not a litigator -- his favorite habit
is calling historical figures both good and bad, "beloved", a last
vestiage for the Lone Neuter. Not one word of his banter would survive
in a court of law...
Bud
Sure he is.
> I
> don't think I would have even liked the guy, because he had many of the
> traits of a LNer. But I know a grave miscarriage of justice happened
> and Oswald was made a scapegoat....It's as simple as that. And let's
> get something else straight....I don't lie about this case.
You just did. Did that letter you quoted include the word
"mission"?
Bud
Yet immortalized on usenet.
Walt
there was also a blank where I put the word "mission". In that
letter Lee wrote:... "As for the
it."
I chose the word "mission" because that's what Oswald was doing in
Russia. He was on a mission on behalf of the United States government.
Perhaps you would choose another word like,"assignment"---"job"
---"endeavor"---"gig"--"errand ".... I chose mission because it is the
most descriptive word for Oswald's trip to Russia.
Walt
Bud
No, I reminded you that you read a word in there that isn`t there.
This isn`t the first time this was pointed out to you on this issue.
But, like with Brennan`s ID, you will tell the same lies over and over.
> In that
> letter Lee wrote:... "As for the
> $............I was supposed to receive for this............., I refuse
> it."
>
> I chose the word "mission" because that's what Oswald was doing in
> Russia. He was on a mission on behalf of the United States government.
<snicker> The letter is proof of the mission, and the mission is
proof of the word not in the letter.
> Perhaps you would choose another word like,"assignment"---"job"
> ---"endeavor"---"gig"--"errand ".... I chose mission because it is the
> most descriptive word for Oswald's trip to Russia.
How about this... Oz wrote the International Refuge Committee twice,
once asking for $800, and another time asking for $1,000. When they
took too long to respond, Oz was forced to go hat in hand to the US
Embassy, and request a loan in order to make travel arrangements (which
they eventually gave him, to the sum of 435.71). This would explain why
the money amount is left blank in that letter, because he didn`t know
which amount he would receive word from the IRC about. When they took
too long, he was was probably angry about having to turn to the US
Embassy, and wrote this harsh response telling the IRC he didn`t want
their *loan* (the missing word) any more. Granted, my version has no
mystery debriefers and double agent spys, but can actually be supported
with facts.
> Walt
Walt
Lets fill in the blank spaces with you words Dud.....
Lee wrote:. "As for the ..$1,000..I was supposed to receive for
this..."loan".., I refuse it."
Now I'll fill the blanks with my words....As for the ..$25,000..I was
supposed to receive for this.."mission".., I refuse it."
When the surroundings ( aboard the SS Maasdam) and tone of the letter
is considered Your version doesn't make a lick of sense.... He had
already recieved funds for travel so why would he give a tinkers damn
about tellin the IRC to stuff their money.
You really don't have a much of a talent when it comes to critical
thinking do you, Dud?
Walt
>
>
> > Walt
Bud
Yah, he had already received money for travel, which put him in a
position to refuse the IRC loan. He likely would have preferred the LRC
loan, but their foot dragging forced him to go crawling to the US
Embassy. And his anger at the IRC for putting him in that position led
to his haughty "refusal".
> You really don't have a much of a talent when it comes to critical
> thinking do you, Dud?
You mean I didn`t imagine debriefers and missions and stuff like
that? No, there was no reason to.
>
> Walt
>
> >
> >
> > > Walt