TOM ROSSLEY SAID:
>>> "[Buell Wesley] Frazier testified that Lovelady was "SITTING on the steps of the doorway"." <<<
DAVID VON PEIN SAID:
Rossley actually thinks that Billy Lovelady would have been SITTING on
the steps at exactly 12:30 PM when JFK drove by the TSBD Building.
Which would mean that he would have likely had his view blocked (or
substantially so) by the other people who were STANDING in front of
Maybe Lovelady (and others) WERE "sitting" on the steps at some point
PRIOR to 12:30. But at 12:30, Lovelady was standing on the steps. And
the Altgens photo proves it.
BTW, I just now looked through Wesley Frazier's Warren Commission
testimony and his Clay Shaw Trial testimony, and there is no reference
at all to Frazier saying that Lovelady was "sitting" on the steps. In
fact, there's testimony to the contrary, with Frazier specifically
using the word "standing" in his Shaw Trial testimony when referring
"Right down in front of me at the bottom of the steps my foreman
Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady were standing there." -- Buell Wesley
In case some people might not realize this fact, I'll point it out:
Warren Commission Exhibit No. 369 (which is a picture of James
Altgens' photograph showing Doorway Man) was actually marked with TWO
different arrows pointing toward Lovelady (aka Doorway Man).
CE369 was first marked with an arrow by Buell Wesley Frazier on March
11, 1964, at 2 H 242:
And that same exhibit was then marked with another arrow by Billy
Lovelady himself on April 7, 1964 (at 6 H 338):
When looking at the picture of CE369 (linked below), I cannot see the
second arrow that was drawn in. I see only one dark arrow to the left
(west) of Lovelady. But the testimony is very clear -- TWO arrows were
drawn on CE369, the first one by Wesley Frazier when the exhibit was
first introduced into evidence by the Warren Commission on March 11th;
and a second arrow marked on the same picture by Billy Lovelady on
Now, from the testimony, it's a bit unclear as to which witness
(Frazier or Lovelady) drew in the dark arrow that is easily visible in
CE369. But that visible arrow might very well have been drawn by
Frazier and not Lovelady. But I'm not entirely sure of that.
But Joseph Ball's instructions to Lovelady might give a clue. Ball
said this to Lovelady:
"Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are. .... Draw
an arrow down to that; do it in the dark. You got an arrow in the dark
and one in the white pointing toward you."
So, via the above testimony, it's possible that Lovelady's arrow is
"in the dark" and cannot be easily seen.
I suppose this confusion about who drew the dark arrow pointing to
Doorway Man in CE369 will spark some additional controversy concerning
the true identity of the man in the TSBD doorway, with some conspiracy
theorists possibly wanting to now claim that Billy Lovelady didn't
really mark CE369 at all with an arrow in 1964.
But it's quite clear to me from the Warren Commission records that
BOTH Wesley Frazier AND Billy Lovelady drew separate arrows pointing
to the SAME PERSON (Doorway Man) in Commission Exhibit No. 369.
And, of course, as I've pointed out in previous posts, there's also
Wes Frazier's testimony at the 1986 mock trial in London, where
Frazier identified Doorway Man as Lovelady.