Zapruder film alteration

[Gil Jesus]

I went through the Zapruder film this morning frame-by-frame in slow motion.
According to the frame numbers, there are 42 frames missing in the film.

There are no patterns indicating a problem with the camera. All the missing frames are at random intervals in the film.

Since this is the prosecution's evidence, I'm going to ask their supporters, the Lone Nutters in this newsgroup, to explain why 42 frames of this film are missing.

[Mark Ulrik]

What prosecution? What are we talking about here? Some YouTube version of the film? Link?

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

You probably can get every individual frame (of the edited film) on Robin Unger's site. Even the frames destroyed by Life exist as crappy versions from one of the "1st generation copies." You really need individual frames to analyze it properly. Watching it in slow motion and pausing is not enough. You need to be able to control it frame by frame.

[Hank Sienzant]

Gil (and many other CTs) likes to talk about the prosecution and defense as if this is a trial but when you point what’s acceptable as evidence by law (like Klein’s business records showing a rifle with the serial number of C2766 was shipped to Oswald’s PO Box, and by law, it’s presumed the post office fulfilled their obligation and delivered it to Oswald’s PO Box), they suddenly don’t want to about about it as a trial and wish to resort to their fallback of questioning everything.

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 2:58:16 PM UTC, gjjma...@gmail.com wrote:

This is the Unger photography site, an essential resource for those of us who like to look at the "wrong things."
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

Here you can get all of the Costella frames of the Zapruder film. It might be a pain to download them all, but if you want to be an expert on the Zapruder film, then you must.
https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

[Christopher Strimbu]

Tell us what the missing frames are. If you're talking about the jump in the the film where at frame 132 the motorcycles are in view, and then at 133 the limousine is in view, that's because Zapruder stopped filming. If you are not talking about that, please clarify.

Then again, this was the same person who said that every witness who identified Oswald as the man shooting Tippit was mistaken or making up tall tales, so he's not exactly the brightest bulb.

[John Corbett]

For conspiracy hobbyists, no evidence of Oswald's guilt is legitimate no matter how much of it there is. On the other hand they will accuse others of being involved in the crime on the flimsiest of excuses.

[Mark Ulrik]

Notice that even Ben Holmes, whose pet theory (despite his "lady in yellow pants" fiasco) is that the Zapruder film was somehow altered, is too disgusted with Gilly to run interference for him this time.

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

Notice that the Nutters care more about CT'er infighting than they do about the assassination.

[Steven Galbraith]

There's no record or documentation of this, e.g., ban transactions, orders, memos, communications, et cetera, because it was an "off the books black ops" conspiracy. A conspiracy that has been covered up (I thought it was off the books? Never mind) by multiple generations inside the government and outside it for more than half a century. Generations of people inside the "mainstream media" including the foreign media like the BBC have also engaged in this coverup.
There is simply no way of finding middle ground - or any ground - to discuss this event when you have people beholden to this sort of worldview. For them, the lack of evidence is, remarkably, evidence since it shows it was "black ops." So evidence of a conspiracy is evidence of a conspiracy and the absence of evidence for a conspiracy is evidence of a conspiracy. It's like reasoning with a religious sect, a cult.
Here we have someone looking at the Z film? From where? What's the source for the film? Where did he get it? There are all kinds of Zapruder films out there that have been uploaded. Who can trust what you find?
And he - unlike all of the people who've looked at the film over these years - has discovered 42 missing frames. Gawd, what a silly hobby these people have.

[Hank Sienzant]

Straw man argument. Pointing out that after 58 years the conspiracy side’s arguments haven’t coalesced around one theory establishes the vast majority of conspiracy theorists are wrong in their specific arguments. That logic should be self-evident to everyone — CT or otherwise— but somehow it escapes every CT I’ve ever pointed it out to.

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

See here the Fucktard Nutter, Hank Sienzant, displays his depravity, caring nothing about the assassination, but only about attacking "every CT'er." This is all he cares about in the confines of his own personal Nutter cell. Soon he will be consumed by his own fucktardity and senility, and will be shitting his pants and staring into eternity, a drooling vegetable, his life's work complete.

[Hank Sienzant]

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:40:48 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:29:24 PM UTC, Hank Sienzant wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:38:12 AM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:37:01 AM UTC, Mark Ulrik wrote:
> > > > lørdag den 15. januar 2022 kl. 18.37.32 UTC+1 skrev Hank Sienzant:
> > > > > On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:27:23 AM UTC-5, Mark Ulrik wrote:
> > > > > > lørdag den 15. januar 2022 kl. 15.58.16 UTC+1 skrev gjjma...@gmail.com:
> > > > > > > I went through the Zapruder film this morning frame-by-frame in slow motion.
> > > > > > > According to the frame numbers, there are 42 frames missing in the film.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are no patterns indicating a problem with the camera. All the missing frames are at random intervals in the film.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since this is the prosecution's evidence, I'm going to ask their supporters, the Lone Nutters in this newsgroup, to explain why 42 frames of this film are missing.
> > > > > > What prosecution? What are we talking about here? Some YouTube version of the film? Link?
> > > > > Gil (and many other CTs) likes to talk about the prosecution and defense as if this is a trial but when you point what’s acceptable as evidence by law (like Klein’s business records showing a rifle with the serial number of C2766 was shipped to Oswald’s PO Box, and by law, it’s presumed the post office fulfilled their obligation and delivered it to Oswald’s PO Box), they suddenly don’t want to about about it as a trial and wish to resort to their fallback of questioning everything.
> > > > Notice that even Ben Holmes, whose pet theory (despite his "lady in yellow pants" fiasco) is that the Zapruder film was somehow altered, is too disgusted with Gilly to run interference for him this time.
> > > Notice that the Nutters care more about CT'er infighting than they do about the assassination.
> > Straw man argument. Pointing out that after 58 years the conspiracy side’s arguments haven’t coalesced around one theory establishes the vast majority of conspiracy theorists are wrong in their specific arguments. That logic should be self-evident to everyone — CT or otherwise— but somehow it escapes every CT I’ve ever pointed it out to.
> See here the Fucktard Nutter,

Ad hominem logical fallacy.

> Hank Sienzant,

Unlike Ben, at least you know how to spell my name.


> displays his depravity,

Ad hominem logical fallacy.

> caring nothing about the assassination,

Poisoning the well logical fallacy.

> but only about attacking "every CT'er."

Straw man argument logical fallacy.

> This is all he cares about

False dichotomy logical fallacy.

> in the confines of his own personal Nutter cell.

Poisoning the well logical fallacy.

> Soon he will be consumed by his own fucktardity

Ad hominem logical fallacy.


> and senility,

Begged question logical fallacy.

> and will be shitting his pants and staring into eternity, a drooling vegetable,

Appeal to ridicule logical fallacy.

> his life's work complete.

Begged question logical fallacy.

Why can’t Sky Throne argue without logical fallacies?

We know the answer to that.

[David Healy]

Gawd love ya' ........ lmdao!

[David Healy]

if you insist on being the chief cheerleader for the christo-fascist supporting Warren Commission supporting-touting, LHO dit-it-all-by-his-lonesom crowd, at LEAST put some fucking underwear on... you don't have to shave it appears old age took care of that embarrassing issue... and the pom-poms have to go...

[Ben Holmes]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:29:23 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

> Pointing out that after 58 years the conspiracy side’s arguments
> haven’t coalesced around one theory establishes the vast majority of
> conspiracy theorists are wrong in their specific arguments. That logic
> should be self-evident to everyone — CT or otherwise— but somehow it
> escapes every CT I’ve ever pointed it out to.

It "escapes" us because it's a nonsensical argument. A simple example
will suffice... explain to us what happened with O.J. Simpson
murdering two people. Be sure to go into the SAME detail that you see
critics doing routinely.

Then let's compare *YOUR* scenario with another troll on this forum.
If they don't match perfectly, you lose.

And even *YOU* don't believe everything that the WCR said.

[Ben Holmes]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 08:52:38 -0800 (PST), Hank Sienzant
<hsie...@aol.com> wrote:

>> Hank Sienzant,
>
>Unlike Ben, at least you know how to spell my name.

Unlike *you*, I know quite well how to spell my name. But everytime a
believer decides to change the spelling, or call me something else,
they get the SAME treatment.

What's unfair about that, Huckster?

[Ben Holmes]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:24:18 -0800 (PST), Christopher Strimbu
<christoph...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 9:58:16 AM UTC-5, gjjma...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I went through the Zapruder film this morning frame-by-frame in slow motion.
>> According to the frame numbers, there are 42 frames missing in the film.
>>
>> There are no patterns indicating a problem with the camera. All the missing frames are at random intervals in the film.
>>
>> Since this is the prosecution's evidence, I'm going to ask their supporters, the Lone Nutters in this newsgroup, to explain why 42 frames of this film are missing.
>
> Tell us what the missing frames are. If you're talking about the
> jump in the the film where at frame 132 the motorcycles are in view,
> and then at 133 the limousine is in view, that's because Zapruder
> stopped filming.

This is, of course, a logical fallacy.

One that Huckster won't point out. Huckster spots logical fallacies
in a flash from critics, but turns blind when it's him, or a fellow
believer...

That tells you all you need to know about this case.

>If you are not talking about that, please clarify.
>
> Then again, this was the same person who said that every witness who
> identified Oswald as the man shooting Tippit was mistaken or making up
> tall tales, so he's not exactly the brightest bulb.

And *another* logical fallacy.

[Mark Ulrik]

Welcome back, Yellow Pants!

Say, why didn't you help your amigo Gilly solve the mystery of the 42 missing Zapruder film frames? That OP of his was a real screamer, wasn't it? Almost as embarrassing as your Lady in Yellow Pants fiasco. Remember that one? I'm sure you do, Yellow Pants.

Could it be because he's is a fellow traveller?

That would make you quite the hypocrite, wouldn't it?

[Chuck Schuyler]

Ah, the Lady in Yellow Pants. Perhaps the most epic takedown ever at alt.conspiracy.jfk. Nice work by you and others, Mark.

It remains, to this day, the ONLY topic that Ben doesn't refresh for another discussion.

[Ben Holmes]

LFD.