CARCANO 91/38 Rifle DISASSEMBLY and REASSEMBLY

[Raymond]

CARCANO 91/38 Rifle DISASSEMBLY and REASSEMBLY
Photos and Instructions by R. Ted Jeo

http://207.36.233.89/carcano9138/rifledisassembly/index.asp

[Walt]

The above link shows the steps needed to disassemle and re-assemble a
Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano.
Please review the instructions and imagine Lee Oswald performing the
disassembly in the Paines garage that early morning. Then imagine Lee
placing the twelve separate parts in a brown paper bag ( very water
absorbant) that was too small to conceal the stock of the rifle, and
walking a couple of blocks in the rain to Frazier's house. Then
imagine Lee taking the bag of parts from the back seat of Frazier's 53
Chevy, and placing the bag at right shoulder arms and marching off in
the rain like a soldier on parade.

The goofy LNer's believe that Lee Oswald cupped the bag of rifle
PIECES in his right hand and march off to the TSBD. The fact that they
believe such garbage demonstrates quite clearly that they are gutless.
arrogant, idiots.

Now review the instructions for re-assembling the rifle, and imagine
Lee Oswald performing this task just minutes before the murder of
President Kennedy. If he had been the assassin he would have been
under tremedous stress to get the rifle re-assembled and ready for
action while looking over his shoulder to be sure nobody was
approaching the area.
Then imagine him firing that rifle with better than world class
accuracy without ever checking to see if the rifle was zeroed in.

If you can imagine Oswald performing these actions, and believe he
really performed them, then you are in dire need of a psychiatrist.

[bigdog]

On Dec 30, 10:01 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On Dec 28, 10:11 pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > CARCANO 91/38 Rifle DISASSEMBLY and REASSEMBLY
> > Photos and Instructions by R. Ted Jeo
>
> >http://207.36.233.89/carcano9138/rifledisassembly/index.asp
>
> The above link shows the steps needed to disassemle and re-assemble a
> Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano.
> Please review the instructions and imagine Lee Oswald performing the
> disassembly in the Paines garage that early morning.  Then imagine Lee
> placing the twelve separate parts in a brown paper bag ( very water
> absorbant) that was too small to conceal the stock of the rifle, and
> walking a couple of blocks in the rain to Frazier's house.  Then
> imagine Lee taking the bag of parts from the back seat of Frazier's 53
> Chevy, and placing the bag at right shoulder arms and marching off in
> the rain like a soldier on parade.
>

The rain that mornng was intermittent in the Dallas/Ft, Worth area.
JFK gave a speech outdoors that same morning in front of his Ft. Worth
hotel and neither he nor the crowd had umbrellas up. Just another
example of a retard trying to make something out of nothing.

> The goofy LNer's believe that  Lee Oswald cupped the bag of rifle
> PIECES in his right hand and march off to the TSBD.

That's what his palm print at the bottom of the bag indicates, as well
as Frazier's testimony he carried the bag cupped in his right hand.

> The fact that they
> believe such garbage demonstrates quite clearly that they are gutless.
> arrogant, idiots.
>

The fact that you would make such a statement demonstrates quite
clearly you are incapable of rational thought.

> Now review the instructions for re-assembling the rifle, and imagine
> Lee Oswald performing this task just minutes before the murder of
> President Kennedy.

Why would you assume he had to do it in minutes. Everyone broke for
lunch at noon and Givens returned only briefly to fetch his
cigarettes.

> If he had been the assassin he would have been
> under tremedous stress to get the rifle re-assembled and ready for
> action while looking over his shoulder to be sure nobody was
> approaching the area.

He was in a concealed area. He wouldn't have to look over his
shoulder. If anyone showed up, he would hear them coming before they
saw him. Just another example of a retard trying to make Oswald's task
much more difficult than it was.

> Then imagine him firing that rifle with better than world class
> accuracy without ever checking to see if the rifle was zeroed in.
>

Better than world class accuracy??? Are you out of your fucking
mind??? Never mind. That's a stupid question with an obvious answer.
He hit his target twice with three shots and the two shots that found
the target were spaced about a foot apart. All the shots were at
ranges 88 yards or less. That kind of "world class" shooting gets you
the booby prize at your local turkey shoot. World class shooters often
compete at ranges over 1000 yards. At the range Oswald fired at, world
class shooters could shoot clusters the size of a 50 cent piece. Our
local SWAT team trains by shooting golf balls at 100 yards. That's
what world class shooters are capable of.

> If you can imagine Oswald performing these actions, and believe he
> really performed them, then you are in dire need of a psychiatrist.

If you can't imagine a former Marine performing these tasks, you are a
fucking brain dead retard. But that's Waltards for you.

[Walt]

On Dec 30, 9:01 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On Dec 28, 10:11 pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > CARCANO 91/38 Rifle DISASSEMBLY and REASSEMBLY
> > Photos and Instructions by R. Ted Jeo
>
> >http://207.36.233.89/carcano9138/rifledisassembly/index.asp
>
> The above link shows the steps needed to disassemle and re-assemble a
> Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano.
> Please review the instructions and imagine Lee Oswald performing the
> disassembly in the Paines garage that early morning.  Then imagine Lee
> placing the twelve separate parts in a brown paper bag ( very water
> absorbant) that was too small to conceal the stock of the rifle, and
> walking a couple of blocks in the rain to Frazier's house.

Correction:......That I should have said SEVENTEEN pieces in that damp
paper bag....IF IF the clip and four cartridges
are included in the fantasy tale.

[Walt]

On Dec 30, 10:05 am, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 30, 10:01 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 28, 10:11 pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > CARCANO 91/38 Rifle DISASSEMBLY and REASSEMBLY
> > > Photos and Instructions by R. Ted Jeo
>
> > >http://207.36.233.89/carcano9138/rifledisassembly/index.asp
>
> > The above link shows the steps needed to disassemle and re-assemble a
> > Model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcano.
> > Please review the instructions and imagine Lee Oswald performing the
> > disassembly in the Paines garage that early morning.  Then imagine Lee
> > placing the twelve separate parts in a brown paper bag ( very water
> > absorbant) that was too small to conceal the stock of the rifle, and
> > walking a couple of blocks in the rain to Frazier's house.  Then
> > imagine Lee taking the bag of parts from the back seat of Frazier's 53
> > Chevy, and placing the bag at right shoulder arms and marching off in
> > the rain like a soldier on parade.

The little cur wrote:

"The rain that mornng was intermittent in the Dallas/Ft, Worth area.
JFK gave a speech outdoors that same morning in front of his Ft.
Worth
hotel and neither he nor the crowd had umbrellas up. Just another
example of a retard trying to make something out of nothing. "

Hey little cur....Your desperation is showihg..... It's irrelavant
where the rain was sporatic...The fact is it was a damp and rainy
morning...PERIOD. Do you know what happens to brown paper when it
become damp? Brown paper is like an ink blotter and absorbs moisture
like a sponge. Soooo....IF? Lee Oswald had carried heavy metal rifle
parts with sharp edges in a brown paper bag that rainy morning they
probably would have torn the bag and fell out. At the very least the
heavy metal patrs would have left impressions in the damp bag. The
FBI found NO scuffs or impressions from a rifle, in the bag the DPD
imagined had been used as a gun case.

> The goofy LNer's believe that Lee Oswald cupped the bag of rifle
> PIECES in his right hand and march off to the TSBD.


That's what his palm print at the bottom of the bag indicates, as
well
as Frazier's testimony he carried the bag cupped in his right hand.

Yer right cur, Frazier DID say that Lee carried the damp paper bag
cupped in his right hand and tucked into his armpit.
You being the idiot that you are have argued that Lee carried the limp
paper bag containing the PIECES of a rifle on his shoulder like a
soldier on parade. You argument is ridiculous because a paper bag of
rifle PIECES could not be carried like an assembled rifle.

> The fact that they
> believe such garbage demonstrates quite clearly that they are gutless.
> arrogant, idiots.


The fact that you would make such a statement demonstrates quite
clearly you are incapable of rational thought.


> Now review the instructions for re-assembling the rifle, and imagine
> Lee Oswald performing this task just minutes before the murder of
> President Kennedy.


Why would you assume he had to do it in minutes. Everyone broke for
lunch at noon and Givens returned only briefly to fetch his
cigarettes.


> If he had been the assassin he would have been
> under tremedous stress to get the rifle re-assembled and ready for
> action while looking over his shoulder to be sure nobody was
> approaching the area.


He was in a concealed area. He wouldn't have to look over his
shoulder.

You're an irrational idiot!... Imagine a killer planning to shoot
the President of the US and imagine how nervous that person would
be!! If you believe he wouldn't have been aware of every little
creak and groan of the wind blowing through that old building then
you're even goofier that I think you are.

If anyone showed up, he would hear them coming before they
saw him. Just another example of a retard trying to make Oswald's
task
much more difficult than it was.


> Then imagine him firing that rifle with better than world class
> accuracy without ever checking to see if the rifle was zeroed in.


Better than world class accuracy??? Are you out of your fucking
mind??? Never mind. That's a stupid question with an obvious answer.
He hit his target twice with three shots and the two shots that found
the target were spaced about a foot apart. All the shots were at
ranges 88 yards or less. That kind of "world class" shooting gets you
the booby prize at your local turkey shoot. World class shooters
often
compete at ranges over 1000 yards. At the range Oswald fired at,
world
class shooters could shoot clusters the size of a 50 cent piece. Our
local SWAT team trains by shooting golf balls at 100 yards. That's
what world class shooters are capable of.

The POINT my dear little cur, IS..... Anybody who knows the
FUNDAMENTALS of marksmanship, knows that a rifle has to be test fired
after it has been taken apart and put back together. There's no way
in hell a shooter can know where the bullets are striking if he
doesn't test fire the rifle after re-assembly. If The Warren
Commission's THEORY was valid Oswald would have had to know where his
first shot struck to know what he'd have to do to make the following
shots hit where he wanted them to hit. AND he'd have had to make all
mental adjustments in a split second. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS??

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[Raymond]

Mr. Ball.
Do you remember any conversation on the way in about anything?
Mr. Frazier.
Yes, sir; I asked him did he have fun playing with them babies and he
chuckled and said he did. And so that morning I said just a few
minutes after we started you know it was a cloudy day and it started
misting and rain and by the time we got out on the Freeway I said, you
know, how those trucks throw that grime on the windshield and finally
it was getting pretty thick on there with spots of rain, and I turned
on the windshield wiper and you know how grime spatters your
windshield and I said. "I wish it would rain or just quit altogether,
I wish it would do something to clear off the windshield," and the
drops stared getting larger so eventually it cleaned off the
windshield and by the time I got down to Dallas there I just turned
off the windshield.
Just a few clouds, and rained a little bit to get out of it. But other
than that just saying the weather was messy, that is about all.
Mr. Ball.
Was it foggy?
Mr. Frazier.
No, sir; not in too particular. I say in other words, just old cloudy,
dull looking day and like I say fine mist of rain and after we got a
little bit further we got into larger drops.
Mr. Ball.
Was there anything said about the President coming to Dallas that
day?
Mr. Frazier.
No, sir; it wasn't.

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[bigdog]

Apparently you don't know the definition of intermittent or sporadic.
What that means is it wasn't a steady rain. It was off and on. Which
means if it wasn't raining at the time Oswald walked to Frazier's
house, he wouldn't get wet, nor would the bag. JFK didn't get wet.
Oswald didn't get wet. The bag didn't get wet. If it had been raining
when Oswald made the short walk, I'm sure he would have found
something to cover the bag with. Give him credit for being a little
smarter than you are. Check that. A lot smarter.

> Do you know what happens to brown paper when it
> become damp?  Brown paper is like an ink blotter and absorbs moisture
> like a sponge.  Soooo....IF? Lee Oswald had carried heavy metal rifle
> parts with sharp edges in a brown paper bag that rainy morning they
> probably would have torn the bag and fell out.  At the very least the
> heavy metal patrs would have left impressions in the damp bag.  The
> FBI found NO scuffs or impressions from a rifle, in the bag the DPD
> imagined had been used as a gun case.
>

That's because it didn't get wet because it wasn't raining when Oswald
went outside with it, dumbass.

> > The goofy LNer's believe that  Lee Oswald cupped the bag of rifle
> > PIECES in his right hand and march off to the TSBD.
>
> That's what his palm print at the bottom of the bag indicates, as
> well
> as Frazier's testimony he carried the bag cupped in his right hand.
>
> Yer right cur, Frazier DID say that Lee carried the damp paper bag
> cupped in his right hand and tucked into his armpit.

Frazier didn't say he carried a damp paper bag. That was your dumbass
contribution.

> You being the idiot that you are have argued that Lee carried the limp
> paper bag containing the PIECES of a rifle on his shoulder like a
> soldier on parade.  You argument is ridiculous because a paper bag of
> rifle PIECES could not be carried like an assembled rifle.
>

Limp paper bag? Just when I think you couldn't get any dumber....

> >  The fact that they
> > believe such garbage demonstrates quite clearly that they are gutless.
> > arrogant, idiots.
>
> The fact that you would make such a statement demonstrates quite
> clearly you are incapable of rational thought.
>
> > Now review the instructions for re-assembling the rifle, and imagine
> > Lee Oswald performing this task just minutes before the murder of
> > President Kennedy.
>
> Why would you assume he had to do it in minutes. Everyone broke for
> lunch at noon and Givens returned only briefly to fetch his
> cigarettes.
>
> > If he had been the assassin he would have been
> > under tremedous stress to get the rifle re-assembled and ready for
> > action while looking over his shoulder to be sure nobody was
> > approaching the area.
>
> He was in a concealed area. He wouldn't have to look over his
> shoulder.
>
> You're an irrational idiot!...   Imagine a killer planning to shoot
> the President of the US and imagine how nervous that person would
> be!!   If you believe he wouldn't have been aware of every little
> creak and groan of the wind blowing through that old building then
> you're even goofier that I think you are.
>

I don't know what Oswald's mental state was immediately prior to the
assassination but that hardly means he was incapapble of doing a
simple task like reassembling his rifle. I'm guessing Booth, Guiteau,
and Czolgosz were nervous too but that didn't stop them from killing
presidents.

So you are backing off your assertion that the shooting was world
class. We are making some progress. Yes if you wanted the rifle to
fire with pinpoint precision, as would be required in competitive
shooting, you would need to resight the rifle. If you are just trying
to shoot a man sized target at short range, close enough is good
enough. Having a sight a few inches off at the range Oswald was firing
would not cause him to miss his target. There is no reason Oswald
needed to adjust his aiming point. He may or may not have known why
his first shot missed. The next two shots were much easier because his
target was moving almost directly down his line of fire and he could
assume a more natural kneeling posture than he could have for the
steep first shot. He would have seen he scored a hit with his second
shot by the way JFK reacted. As a Marine he would have been trained to
fire at center of mass and JFK's reaction probably told him he wasn't
far from that. We can't assume he was aiming the third shot at the
head. he could have been aiming at center of mass and missed high,
striking JFK in the head.

Once again, you try to make Oswald's task much more difficult than it
actually was. The shots were easy and close enough was good enough.

[Walt]

Ha,ha,ha,ha.hee,hee,hee..... Hey, little cur, Yer exposing your
ignorance.

Having a sight a few inches off at the range Oswald was firing
> would not cause him to miss his target. There is no reason Oswald
> needed to adjust his aiming point. He may or may not have known why
> his first shot missed.

How the hell would any shooter know how to adjust his aiming point if
he didn't know where the first bullet struck???

The next two shots were much easier because his
> target was moving almost directly down his line of fire and he could
> assume a more natural kneeling posture than he could have for the
> steep first shot. He would have seen he scored a hit with his second
> shot by the way JFK reacted. As a Marine he would have been trained to
> fire at center of mass and JFK's reaction probably told him he wasn't
> far from that. We can't assume he was aiming the third shot at the
> head. he could have been aiming at center of mass and missed high,
> striking JFK in the head.

Ha,ha,ha, hee,hee,hee...ROTFLMAO!!.... I love it when a moron
demonstrates his stupidity

>
> Once again, you try to make Oswald's task much more difficult than it

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[bigdog]

He wouldn't need to, Waltards. Just keep aiming at center of mass and
if your rifle is a few inches off, BFD. You still score a devastating
hit on your target. If I aimed at your heart and missed by two inches,
you'd still be fucked. Your argument that the shots were fired with
great precision or that they even needed to be fired with great
precision is pure horseshit.

> The next two shots were much easier because his
>
> > target was moving almost directly down his line of fire and he could
> > assume a more natural kneeling posture than he could have for the
> > steep first shot. He would have seen he scored a hit with his second
> > shot by the way JFK reacted. As a Marine he would have been trained to
> > fire at center of mass and JFK's reaction probably told him he wasn't
> > far from that. We can't assume he was aiming the third shot at the
> > head. he could have been aiming at center of mass and missed high,
> > striking JFK in the head.
>
> Ha,ha,ha, hee,hee,hee...ROTFLMAO!!....  I love it when a moron
> demonstrates his stupidity
>

I love it when Waltards accuses others of stupidity, but is incapable
of articulating why what they have said is stupid.

[Walt]

An intelligent person wouldn't need another person to tell him that
it's not literally "raining cats and dogs". An intelligent person
would know that the statement is absurd, and stupid. Only a moron
would need someone to explain it to him.

[bigdog]

Waltards, you're entire argument rests on it raining during the brief
time Oswald was outdoors with the package. You have nothing to
indicate that was the case. All you know is it rained at some time
that morning but you have nothing to indicate it was raining during
the brief times when Oswald was waiting outside for Frazier or during
his short walk from the car to the TSBD. We know it wasn't raining in
Ft. Worth at the time JFK was giving his speech which would have been
only shortly after the two times Oswald was outside with his package.
This is just one more of the example of you trying to invent problems
for Oswald that simply didn't exist. The bottom line is, Oswald wasn't
as stupid as you are. Not by a long shot.

[Walt]

If you'd get your head out of your ass, you "might" understand that
the weather that morning was one of those dark overcast days with
sporadic rain showers, light mist, and fog.

If Lee had been carring a dissassembled rifle in that brown paper bag
the heavy metal parts would have definitely left scars inside that
bag. The FBI found NOTHING that would indicate a rifle had ever been
in that imaginary "gun case" that the DPD thought had been used to
carry the rifle into the building.

Lee Oswald told them that he had seen the rifle and two others in Mr
Truly's office in the TSBD on wednesday November 20 ....... It wasn't
carried into the building that morning.

[bigdog]

What that pea sized brain of yours seems incapable of understanding is
that it doesn't matter what the weather was at other times of the
morning. It only matters what the weather was in those few minutes
Oswald was carrying his brown paper bag outside. You cannot establish
that it was raining, misting, or there was a fog in those few minutes
the bag would have been exposed to the elements. You just made it up
to try to make it seem it was impossible for Oswald to have done what
the evidence tells us he did. You are failing miserably in your
efforts.

> If Lee had been carring a dissassembled rifle in that brown paper bag
> the heavy metal parts would have definitely left scars inside that
> bag.

Can you document that, or did you just make it up. That's a rhetorical
question. Everyone knows the answer to that.

> The FBI found NOTHING that would indicate a rifle had ever been
> in that imaginary "gun case" that the DPD thought had been used to
> carry the rifle into the building.
>

No, to be able to determine there was rifle in it, one has to be able
to add 2 + 2. I realize higher mathematics is not your forte.

> Lee Oswald told them that he had seen the rifle and two others in Mr
> Truly's office in the TSBD on wednesday November 20 .......  It wasn't
> carried into the building that morning.

Why would you believe what Oswald said when he was caught in so many
lies? That's a rhetorical question too. Everyone knows the answer to
that as well. You believe that because you are Waltards.

[Raymond]

Mr. Eisenberg.
And it is--looking at those notes and as you remember now-- this is
the bag?
Mr. Stombaugh.
This is the bag.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Now, this bag has an area of very light-brown color, and the greater
portion of the area is a quite dark-brownish color. What was the color
when you originally received it?
Mr. Stombaugh.
When I originally received this it was a light-brown color.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Which is at one end of the bag?
Mr. Stombaugh.
One end of the bag.
Mr. Eisenberg.
The tape is also two colors, one a lightish brown and the other a
darkish brown. What color was the tape when you received it?
Mr. Stombaugh.
The tape also was light brown.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Could you turn the bag over? Was it the color that shows as a lighter
yellowish-type of brown?
Mr. Stombaugh.
Yes; a yellow-brown shade.
Mr. Eisenberg.
When did you receive it, by the way, Mr. Stombaugh?
Mr. Stombaugh.
This was received on November 23, 7:30 a.m, 1963.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Did you form any opinions as you examined it, concerning the
construction of the bag?
Mr. Stombaugh.
When I looked at the bag and examined it, it struck me as being a
homemade bag such as I could make. Occasionally I will have a need for
something like this at home. Therefore, I will take some brown paper
and a strip of tape home with me. Then when I get home I will fold the
tape fold the paper rather--in the shape I need--and to seal it up I
will tear strips of the sealing tape from the little piece I have.
Here we find that this tape has been torn at several places, such as
one would do in an instance like that. Due to these torn edges, I was
under the impression, from looking at the bag, that it was a homemade
bag which someone had made at home and they did not have a tape
dispenser which machine-cuts tape. Therefore, they had to tear it,
which they did--or cut it, of course with a knife. And this is the
case where pieces of tape were torn.
Mr. Eisenberg.
You were pointing to various torn edges as you testified, is that
correct?
Mr. Stombaugh.
Yes; that is correct.
Mr. Eisenberg.
How many, if any, square-cut edges did you notice?


Mr. Eisenberg.
Did you find any cotton fibers on the outside of the bag at all, Mr.
Stombaugh, white or colored?
Mr. Stombaugh.
There were white cotton fibers on the outside but I was using a pair
of white cotton gloves, so these would be of no value. White cotton is
the most common thing we have in the way of textiles, and therefore it
just doesn't have sufficient individual characteristics to be of value
for comparison and identification purposes. It is for this reason that
we use gloves of this material.
Mr. Eisenberg.
And those fibers may have come from your white cotton gloves?
Mr. Stombaugh.
Yes; they could very easily have come from my gloves from handling the
object with a pair of gloves on.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Did you proceed to examine the inside of the paper bag to see if there
were any foreign objects?
Mr. Stombaugh.
Yes; I did.
Mr. Eisenberg.
What were your conclusions?

Cont'd
http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol4/page75.php

[Walt]

> Cont'dhttp://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol4/page75.php

>
> > > Lee Oswald told them that he had seen the rifle and two others in Mr
> > > Truly's office in the TSBD on wednesday November 20 .......  It wasn't
> > > carried into the building that morning.
>
> > Why would you believe what Oswald said when he was caught in so many
> > lies?

You've got your head in your ass and standing on your head....The
authorities were telling the lies....Oswald said he saw the rifle and
two others in Mr Truly's office at lunchtime on Wednesday November 20.
The cops allowed a fellow clansman get away with a lie by denying that
the Mannlicher Carcano was one of the rifles that Oswald saw.....Truly
said that the rifles belonged to Mr Campbell and he had taken them
home. The cops never bothered to follow up and investigate Truly's
claim. They accepted his word and ignored Lee oswald.

[bigdog]

On Dec 31, 7:36 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> You've got your head in your ass and standing on your head....The
> authorities were telling the lies....Oswald said he saw the rifle and
> two others in Mr Truly's office at lunchtime on Wednesday November 20.
> The cops allowed a fellow clansman get away with a lie by denying that
> the Mannlicher Carcano was one of the rifles that Oswald saw.....Truly
> said that the rifles belonged to Mr Campbell and he had taken them
> home.  The cops never bothered to follow up and investigate Truly's
> claim.  They accepted his word and ignored Lee oswald.
>

Right, Waltards. Truly somehow came into possession of the MC that
Oswald ordered from Klein's the previous March, managed to put
Oswald's palm print on it, and even guessed which shirt Oswald was
going to wear the next day so he could plant the correct fibers on the
butt plate. Amazing the stupid things you will convince yourself of.

[Walt]

On Dec 31, 7:15 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 31, 7:36 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > You've got your head in your ass and standing on your head....The
> > authorities were telling the lies....Oswald said he saw the rifle and
> > two others in Mr Truly's office at lunchtime on Wednesday November 20.
> > The cops allowed a fellow clansman get away with a lie by denying that
> > the Mannlicher Carcano was one of the rifles that Oswald saw.....Truly
> > said that the rifles belonged to Mr Campbell and he had taken them
> > home.  The cops never bothered to follow up and investigate Truly's
> > claim.  They accepted his word and ignored Lee oswald.
>
> Right, Waltards. Truly somehow came into possession of the MC that
> Oswald ordered from Klein's the previous March

Prove that the MC found in the TSBD is the same rifle that Klein's
sent to Oswald's PO box.

There is NO proof .....In fact , the TSBD rifle appears to be a
different rifle. We've already discussed the differences.

managed to put Oswald's palm print on it,

The rifle DID NOT have Oswald's palm print on it..... That's a lie
that was created by J.E Hoover and the TSBD.

and even guessed which shirt Oswald was going to wear the next day so
he could plant the correct fibers on the
butt plate.

The fibers found on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt
Oswald was wearing when he was taken into custody, They DID NOT match
the shirt he was wearing at the TSBD at noon.

[bigdog]

On Dec 31, 9:59 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
> On Dec 31, 7:15 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 31, 7:36 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > You've got your head in your ass and standing on your head....The
> > > authorities were telling the lies....Oswald said he saw the rifle and
> > > two others in Mr Truly's office at lunchtime on Wednesday November 20.
> > > The cops allowed a fellow clansman get away with a lie by denying that
> > > the Mannlicher Carcano was one of the rifles that Oswald saw.....Truly
> > > said that the rifles belonged to Mr Campbell and he had taken them
> > > home.  The cops never bothered to follow up and investigate Truly's
> > > claim.  They accepted his word and ignored Lee oswald.
>
> > Right, Waltards. Truly somehow came into possession of the MC that
> > Oswald ordered from Klein's the previous March
>
> Prove that the MC found in the TSBD is the same rifle that Klein's
> sent to Oswald's PO box.
>

Serial number C2766, dumbass.

> There is NO proof .....In fact , the TSBD rifle appears to be a
> different rifle.  We've already discussed the differences.
>

Yes, you've already displayed your foolishness on that issue..

> managed to put  Oswald's palm print on it,
>
> The rifle DID NOT have Oswald's palm print on it..... That's a lie
> that was created by J.E Hoover and the TSBD.
>

Every piece of evidence which incriminates your hero, you dismiss by
saying it's a lie. The truth is that you are as big a liar as Oswald
was.

>  and even guessed which shirt Oswald was going to wear the next day so
> he could plant the correct fibers on the
>  butt plate.
>
> The fibers found on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt
> Oswald was wearing when he was taken into custody, They DID NOT match
> the shirt he was wearing at the TSBD at noon.
>

What an amazing coincidence Oswald would switch to the one shirt in
his closet that would match the fibers on the butt plate of the rifle.
What an amazing coincidence that he would switch to a shirt with a
hole in the elbow in the same place as the shirt Mary Bledsoe saw him
wearing on Cecil McWatters bus. Only a retard would believe such
things.

[Raymond]

Warren Caster
District Manager of the Southwestern Publishing Co
Birthdate: June 15, 1918

Warren Caster was the manager of a book publishing enterprise located
on the TSBD's second-floor. He brought there two guns he had just
bought, on November 20, 1963, two days before the Kennedy
assassination.

There was a .22 Remington rifle he intended to offer to his son for
Christmas, and a 30-06 Mauser for his personal use. Warren Caster
showed these weapons to Roy Truly, the Texas School Book Depository
director, and to a small number of the building's employees, among
whom was Lee Harvey Oswald, according to Caster's memories.

On November 22, he did not witness the JFK assassination. He was then
out of Dallas for business purpose.

[Raymond]

TESTIMONY OF WARREN CASTER
BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository
Building?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. When?
Mr. CASTER. I believe it was on Wednesday, November 20, during the
noon hour.
Mr. BALL. Whose guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. They were my guns.
Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they?
Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the
other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser.
Mr. BALL. Who owned them?
Mr. CASTER. I had just purchased them during the noon hour that day.
Mr. BALL. Well, tell us about it---what were the circumstances of the
purchase?
Mr. CASTER. Well, I left the Depository during the noon hour and had
lunch and, while out for the lunch hour, I stopped by Sanger-Harris
sporting goods department to look for a rifle for my son's birthday---
I beg your pardon, Christmas present--son's Christmas present, and
while I was there I purchased the single-shot .22--single shot--and at
the same time was looking at some deer rifles. I had, oh, for several
years been thinking about buying a deer rifle and they happened to
have one that I liked and I purchased the .30-06 while I was there.
Mr. BALL. And did they box them up?
Mr. CASTER. They were in cartons; yes.
Mr. BALL. And then you went back to work, I guess?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I picked both rifles up in cartons just like they
were, this was during the noon hour, and as I entered the Texas School
Book Depository Building on my way up to the buying office, I stopped
by Mr. Truly's office, and while I was there we examined the two
rifles that I had purchased.
Mr. BALL. Did you take them out of the carton?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. Who was there besides you and Mr. Truly?
Mr. CASTER. Well, I'm not really sure who was there. I think you were
there, Bill, and Mr. Shelley was there---and Mr. Roy Truly. The only
people that I know about, in any event, were there; there were workers
there at the time, but I'm not quite sure how many. I couldn't even
tell you their names. I don't know the Texas School Book Depository
workers there in the shipping department
Mr. BALL. In that office, though, Truly's office, how many were
there?
Mr. CASTER. We weren't in Mr. Truly's immediate office, we were just
there over the counter.
Mr. BALL. In the warehouse?
Mr. CASTER. We were there in the hall--just right there over the
counter in front of the warehouse; that's right.
Mr. BALL. And did you take the guns out of the carton?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did. They were removed from the carton.
Mr. BALL. Did you handle them?
Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.
Mr. BALL. Did anybody else handle the guns?
Mr. CASTER. Mr. Truly handled them and I'm not sure whether Mr.
Shelley had the guns in his hands or not; I'm not positive.
Mr. BALL. How long a time were you there with the guns, and by time,
just estimate it.
Mr. CASTER Well, it couldn't have been more than to minutes.
Mr. BALL. What did you do with the guns after that?
Mr. CASTER. I put them back in the carton and carried them up to my
office. Mr. BALL. And what did you do with them after that?
Mr. CASTER. I left at the end of the working day, oh, around 4 o'clock
and took the guns in the cartons and carried them and put them in my
car and carried them home.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever have them back in the Texas School Book
Depository Building thereafter?
Mr. CASTER. They have never been back to the Texas School Book
Depository Building since then.
Mr. BALL. Where were those guns on November 22, 1963?
Mr. CASTER. The guns were in my home, 3338 Merrell Road.
Mr. BALL. I think that's all. This will be written up and you will be
asked to come in and it will be submitted to you for signature and you
can correct it if you wish.
Mr. CASTER. That's all right.
Mr. BALL. Any corrections you make, make them in pen and ink and
initial it and sign it. I want to thank you very much for giving this
testimony.
Mr. CASTER. I thank you very much.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/caster.htm

[bigdog]

How times have changed. In almost every workplace today, you would be
fired on the spot for bring any kind of firearm onto the premises.

[Walt]

On Dec 31 2011, 10:50 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 31, 9:59 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 31, 7:15 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 31, 7:36 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > > You've got your head in your ass and standing on your head....The
> > > > authorities were telling the lies....Oswald said he saw the rifle and
> > > > two others in Mr Truly's office at lunchtime on Wednesday November 20.
> > > > The cops allowed a fellow clansman get away with a lie by denying that
> > > > the Mannlicher Carcano was one of the rifles that Oswald saw.....Truly
> > > > said that the rifles belonged to Mr Campbell and he had taken them
> > > > home.  The cops never bothered to follow up and investigate Truly's
> > > > claim.  They accepted his word and ignored Lee oswald.
>
> > > Right, Waltards. Truly somehow came into possession of the MC that
> > > Oswald ordered from Klein's the previous March
>
> > Prove that the MC found in the TSBD is the same rifle that Klein's
> > sent to Oswald's PO box.
>
> Serial number C2766, dumbass.

Duh!... It's a very simple process to put the number C 2766 on any
Carcano..... All you have to do is change the barrel and stamp the new
barrel with the numbr C2766. The Fbi testified that the barrel on
the TSBD had been changed. The CIA had a warehouse full of Mannlicher
Carcanos and repair parts for them, which the had bought for the Cuban
exiles.

>
> > There is NO proof .....In fact , the TSBD rifle appears to be a
> > different rifle.  We've already discussed the differences.
>
> Yes, you've already displayed your foolishness on that issue..
>
> > managed to put  Oswald's palm print on it,
>
> > The rifle DID NOT have Oswald's palm print on it..... That's a lie
> > that was created by J.E Hoover and the TSBD.
>
> Every piece of evidence which incriminates your hero, you dismiss by
> saying it's a lie. The truth is that you are as big a liar as Oswald
> was.

Duh you're to damned dumb and gutless to get your head out of your ass
and SEE. I've posted proof that the so called "palm print" was nothing
but an unidentifiable smudge that Lt Day had lifted from the foregrip
of the rifle immediately after the rifle was found hidden BENEATH
heavy boxes of books in the TSBD. Tom Alyea witnessed Day lift the
smudge which the DPD and Hoover changed to a identifiable palm print
for the gullible public. If you simply pull your head out of your ass
and LOOK at the so called "palm print" you should be able to SEE that
the print was lifted off a WOODEN surface..... AND it you've got the
IQ of a gbat you should be able to comprehend that a cylinder ( gun
barrel) the size of a AA penlight battery is tpp small to hold a man's
palm print.

>
> >  and even guessed which shirt Oswald was going to wear the next day so
> > he could plant the correct fibers on the
> >  butt plate.
>
> > The fibers found on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt
> > Oswald was wearing when he was taken into custody, They DID NOT match
> > the shirt he was wearing at the TSBD at noon.
>
> What an amazing coincidence Oswald would switch to the one shirt in
> his closet that would match the fibers on the butt plate of the rifle.

DUH!.... Learn the FACTS ya stupid bastard!.... The FBI testified that
the fibers matched the fibers of the gray shirt that
Oswald was wearing when he was taken into custody. The shirt was NOT
in Oswald's closet...it was on his back!

> What an amazing coincidence that he would switch to a shirt with a
> hole in the elbow in the same place as the shirt Mary Bledsoe saw him
> wearing on Cecil McWatters bus.

Get you head out of your ass and SEE that there is NO HOLE in the
elbow of the shirt Oswald is wearing after his arrest.


Duh!....The DPD took Oswald's ARREST shirt from him The DPD had the
rifle they had found HIDDEN BENEATH heavy boxes of books and the shirt
in their possession and sent both items to the FBI for examination.

[Walt]

That's the official story......According to Hosty, and Capt Fritz's
hand written notes, Lee Oswald told the police that he'd seen the;
Quote..."rifle and two others, day before yesterday, in Mr Truly's
office" ...unquote.

[bigdog]

On Jan 1, 10:14 am, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > On November 22, he did not witness the JFK assassination. He was then
> > out of Dallas for business purpose.
>
> That's the official story......According to Hosty, and Capt Fritz's
> hand written notes, Lee Oswald told the police that he'd seen the;
> Quote..."rifle and two others, day before yesterday, in Mr Truly's
> office" ...unquote.

In Waltards universe of the retarded, Oswald was telling the truth and
everybody else was lying. Everybody in the country ganged up to make
him look like he was guilty. Even his wife.

[bigdog]

You haven't proved anything except that you are one of the dumbest
creatures that has ever walked upright. (I assume you walk upright. Do
your knuckles scrape the ground?).

> Tom Alyea witnessed Day lift the
> smudge which the DPD and Hoover changed to a identifiable palm print
> for the gullible public.

You incredibly clueless fuck. Nobody changed anything. You can't deal
with the evidence so you make up this bullshit that everybody who
handled the evidence was out to frame poor little Lee Harvey Oswald.
If he were alive today, even he would be laughing at your stupidity.

> If you simply pull your head out of your ass
> and LOOK at the so called "palm print" you should be able to SEE that
> the print was lifted off a WOODEN surface.....

No it wasn't, dumbfuck. The lifted print had the same irregularities
as the barrel of the rifle, proving it came from the barrel, not
foregrip. You think you know what you are talking about when in fact,
you are simply talking out your ass, which is understandable since it
seems to be your more intelligent end.

> AND it you've got the
> IQ of a gbat you should be able to comprehend that a cylinder ( gun
> barrel) the size of a AA penlight battery is tpp small to hold a man's
> palm print.
>

Attaboy, retard. Keep displaying your stupidity.

>
>
> > >  and even guessed which shirt Oswald was going to wear the next day so
> > > he could plant the correct fibers on the
> > >  butt plate.
>
> > > The fibers found on the butt plate of the rifle matched the shirt
> > > Oswald was wearing when he was taken into custody, They DID NOT match
> > > the shirt he was wearing at the TSBD at noon.
>
> > What an amazing coincidence Oswald would switch to the one shirt in
> > his closet that would match the fibers on the butt plate of the rifle.
>
> DUH!.... Learn the FACTS ya stupid bastard!.... The FBI testified that
> the fibers matched the fibers of the gray shirt that
> Oswald was wearing when he was taken into custody. The shirt was NOT
> in Oswald's closet...it was on his back!
>

Well if that wasn't the shirt he was wearing at the TSBD, where do you
think he got it from. I realize I'm asking you a lot when I ask you to
think.

> > What an amazing coincidence that he would switch to a shirt with a
> > hole in the elbow in the same place as the shirt Mary Bledsoe saw him
> > wearing on Cecil McWatters bus.
>
> Get you head out of your ass and SEE that there is NO HOLE in the
> elbow of the shirt Oswald is wearing after his arrest.
>

Do you ever get tired of making statements that are completely wrong?
Of course you don't. You're a retard.

> Duh!....The DPD took Oswald's ARREST shirt from him    The DPD had the
> rifle they had found HIDDEN BENEATH heavy boxes of books and the shirt
> in their possession and sent both items to the FBI for examination.
>

Of course they did. That's how the FBI figured out the fibers on the
rifle matched the shirt.

[Walt]

HEAR YE.....HEAR YE!.....The little cur has just admitted that he's a
dumb bastard.

I've been trying to get the stupid bastard to understand that the FBI
matched the fibers of Oswald's A-R-R-E-S-T
shirt to the fibers found on the butt plate of the rifle. The dumb
bastard just admitted that the FBI did NOT match the fibers to the
shirt that Lee Oswald was wearing at the time of the shooting.

Walt wrote:...."The DPD took Oswald's ARREST shirt from him The DPD

had the rifle they had found HIDDEN BENEATH heavy boxes of books and
the shirt in their possession and sent both items to the FBI for
examination.

The little cur replied....." Of course they did. That's how the FBI

figured out the fibers on the rifle matched the shirt."

- Hide quoted text -
>

> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[bigdog]

On Jan 1, 6:41 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > Of course they did. That's how the FBI figured out the fibers on the
> > rifle matched the shirt.
>
> HEAR YE.....HEAR YE!.....The little cur has just admitted that he's a
> dumb bastard.
>
> I've been trying to get the stupid bastard to understand that the FBI
> matched the fibers of Oswald's A-R-R-E-S-T
> shirt to the fibers found on the butt plate of the rifle.  The dumb
> bastard just admitted that the FBI did NOT match the fibers to the
> shirt that Lee Oswald was wearing at the time of the shooting.
>

Other than you, who else in this world is stupid enough to think
Oswald changed shirts between the time the shots were fired and the
time he was arrested. There was only one shirt, Waltards. The shirt
Oswald was arrested in was the same one he was wearing when Mary
Bledsoe saw him on the bus and the same one he was wearing when he
fired the shots that killed JFK. I mean this with all sincerity when I
say I have never come across a stupider fuck in my entire life.

> Walt wrote:...."The DPD took Oswald's ARREST shirt from him    The DPD
>
> had the rifle they had found HIDDEN BENEATH heavy boxes of books and
> the shirt in their possession and sent both items to the FBI for
> examination.
>
> The little cur replied....." Of course they did. That's how the FBI
> figured out the fibers on the rifle matched the shirt."

I wish I could draw pictures for you but this is the best I can do.

shirt FBI received = shirt Oswald was arrested in = shirt Mary Bledsoe
saw him wearing when arrested = shirt Oswald was wearing when he
killed JFK = shirt that deposited the fibers on the rifle. Only a
retard like Waltards would look at all that and think that equals two
shirts.

[Walt]

On Jan 1, 7:06 pm, bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 1, 6:41 pm, Walt <papakochenb...@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> > > Of course they did. That's how the FBI figured out the fibers on the
> > > rifle matched the shirt.
>
> > HEAR YE.....HEAR YE!.....The little cur has just admitted that he's a
> > dumb bastard.
>
> > I've been trying to get the stupid bastard to understand that the FBI
> > matched the fibers of Oswald's A-R-R-E-S-T
> > shirt to the fibers found on the butt plate of the rifle.  The dumb
> > bastard just admitted that the FBI did NOT match the fibers to the
> > shirt that Lee Oswald was wearing at the time of the shooting.
>
> Other than you, who else in this world is stupid enough to think
> Oswald changed shirts between the time the shots were fired and the
> time he was arrested.

If you'd get your head out of your ass and open your eyes and LOOK at
the colored photos of Oswald being placed in a police car in front of
the Texas theater ( see page 154 of The search for LHO ) Even a moron
could see that Oswald's arrest shirt was GRAY. ( composed of grey-
black, dark blue, and orange yellow fibers) And while you've got your
head out of your ass look at an uncropped copy of Bill Winfrey's photo
of Oswald holding up his hand cuff hands to reporters. He shirt sleeve
is stretched tight against his elbow and there is NO HOLE in the
arrest shirt. Proof that he left the BROWN shirt with the hole in the
elbow in his room at 1026 N Beckley.

[bigdog]

You are a fucking joke, and a stupid one at that. The shirt Oswald was
wearing when arrested was a light brown (or tan if you want to call it
that) shirt. It was not gray. Only a stupid fucking moron could
convince himself of that as you have demonstrated. You're pathetic.
Even the other retards think so.

[Walt]

If you actually looked at the color photo on page 154 of TSFLHO and
think that Oswald's arrest shirt is tan, then you're either color
blind or a liar..... I know that you're a liar but you could be color
blind too.

Only a stupid fucking moron could
> convince himself of that as you have demonstrated. You're pathetic.

> Even the other retards think so.- Hide quoted text -

[bigdog]

Did he change back to the brown shirt when he appeared before the news
media? You're fucking clueless.

[Walt]

He appearred before the media in a BROWN shirt??? Show me a color
photo taken after his arrest that shows Lee Oswald in a BROWN shirt.
There is a color photo of him BEFORE his arrest that shows him wearing
the brown shirt.
( see page 68 of TKOAP )

[bigdog]

The shirt color has alternately been described as tan, brown, reddish
brown, rust colored, etc. That's in the eye of the beholder. What is
clear is that it was not a gray shirt as you keep insisting. That is
quite clear in this photo taken as Oswald was being led away from the
Texas Theater:

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&rlz=1I7ADFA_enUS457&biw=1280&bih=542&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=E4c6QV3ECXx8fM:&imgrefurl=http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/07/paul-l-bentley-detective-who-arrested_23.html&docid=6ZRagbfx3czYKM&imgurl=http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/images/news/bentley-lho.jpg&w=480&h=360&ei=6lEDT4KVEMvy2gWKhOSWAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=405&sig=104058193473459650913&page=2&tbnh=150&tbnw=210&start=11&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:11&tx=136&ty=107

Yes, Oswald's white t-shirt which is in shadow does appear to be gray
in the photo, but the shirt that is draped over his right shoulder has
a distinct reddish-brown tint ans is definitely not gray. This is the
shirt Oswald was wearing at the press confernece, on the bus, and when
he shot and killed JFK. It is the shirt that the FBI matched to the
fibers on Oswald's Carcano, and it is the shirt that is in evidence at
the National Archives. This alternate gray shirt you keep claiming is
a figment of you imagination. It is something you have completely
fabricated.