It's either that--or believe that Tague was one heck of a quick liar.
Because Tague, within literally MINUTES of the shooting, said this to
Dallas Deputy Sheriff Buddy Walthers:

"I recall something sting me on the face while I was standing
down there." [WC Testimony of James T. Tague; at 7 H 553.]

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0281a.htm

And Tague's story about telling Walthers about being struck in the
face is confirmed by Walthers:

"He [Tague] said, "Are you looking to see where some bullets may
have struck?" And I said, "Yes." He says..."something struck me on the
face."" [WC Testimony of Eddy (Buddy) Walthers; at 7 H 546.]

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0277b.htm

Plus: there was a "fresh" mark (with lead on it) on the curb near
Tague's position on Main Street, which is corroborating evidence for
Tague's "I was stung" story.

Whether or not Tague had "blood" or a "cut" on his face is largely
irrelevant. Who cares? The fact he was hit in the face by something
during the shooting is the most important thing.

And Tague was stung on the RIGHT cheek, btw, which means that the
photo of Tague showing a mark on his LEFT cheek is not related to his
11/22/63 cheek injury at all.

I'm not positive, but I think Tague might even say he was stung on his
"RIGHT CHEEK" during his April 21, 2005, interview on Black Op Radio,
here:

PART 1:
http://www.BlackOpRadio.com/black217a.ram

PART 2:
http://www.BlackOpRadio.com/black217b.ram

EDIT -- See Tague's own e-mails to Mike Williams, linked below.
(Thanks, Mike. And thanks to Jim Tague too.)

http://www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,2444.msg45090.html#msg45090

http://www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,2444.msg45102.html#msg45102

James Tague, btw, was born in the small town of Plainfield, Indiana.
And Plainfield is just 7 miles from where I'm typing this message
right now. Small world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tague

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JAMES TAGUE -- THE "THIRD VICTIM" IN DEALEY PLAZA:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/085b004c446bdc6e
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f65550908d2ae06f
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/73523c55a639c5a1

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May 12, 2010, 3:18:50 PM5/12/10

On May 11, 1:55 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

again, no advertising shithead....

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May 12, 2010, 3:19:46 PM5/12/10

On May 12, 11:55 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:

can't have a conversation with yourself, moron! Too much KFC?

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http://www.JFKAssassinationForum.com/index.php/topic,2486.0.html

Robert Harris said this at The Education Forum on 4/19/2010:

"For years, WC critics have doubted the legitimacy of
CE-399. .... Its relatively undamaged condition suggest that it
wounded no-one."

Bob Harris, like all conspiracy theorists, either totally ignores or
is unaware of Dr. Martin Fackler's ballistics tests in 1992, which had
Fackler firing a Carcano bullet just like CE399 into the wrist of a
human cadaver at the reduced muzzle velocity of 1100fps (which was
probably even a little faster than CE399 was travelling when it struck
John Connally's wrist in Dealey Plaza).

And what did Fackler's test bullet look like after it struck that
human wrist bone at 1100 feet per second?

Take a look:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/MISCELLANEOUS%20JFK-RELATED%20PHOTOS/FacklerSBTTestBullet.jpg?t=1274014582

"The bullet actually made a slightly greater hole than the one
in Governor Connally's wrist. That's because the experiment bullet was
actually going a little faster than the 900 feet [per second] that
CE399 was travelling. The test bullet was non-deformed. It was not
flattened in the least and had nowhere near the damage of CE399." --
Dr. Martin Fackler; August 10, 1992, during Fackler's testimony at the
American Bar Association's mock trial of Lee Harvey Oswald

And since we know that John Connally's wrist bone was the hardest
object that Bullet CE399 struck during its path through both Kennedy's
and Connally's bodies, it's fairly obvious (when looking at the
Fackler test bullet) that the current condition of CE399 in the
National Archives today is not in any way unusual or "impossible", as
most conspiracy theorists want to believe, after doing the damage it
did to the two victims in Dealey Plaza.

>>> "Did the Fackler test use a tumbling bullet?" <<<

I'm not positive, but I assume Fackler's bullet was NOT tumbling when
it struck the human wrist bone. And that's because other tests with MC/
WCC bullets indicate that that type of bullet will not tumble or yaw
until it hits something.

But, actually, the fact that Fackler's bullet was probably not
tumbling makes the non-deformed nature of that test bullet even MORE
impressive -- because it shows that even when a Carcano bullet strikes
a hard bone head-on at 1100fps, the nose of that bullet still won't be
deformed.

What's not to like about that Fackler test? Everything about it
buttresses the likelihood that CE399 could most certainly have done
what both the Warren Commission and HSCA said CE399 did do on
11/22/63.

>>> "There is no indication that this projectile had tumbled enough to be significant." <<<

That's not true at all, Mike [Williams]. CE399 was most certainly
tumbling like an acrobat on steroids by the time it hit John
Connally's wrist. That's obvious by the fact that the bullet left
metal/lead fragments inside Connally's wrist. Therefore, it had to
have hit Connally's wrist BACKWARD, with the bottom of the bullet
hitting the wrist.

And since Fackler's test simulated ONLY Connally's wrist injury, it's
a fair question to ask: Was Fackler's bullet tumbling?

And I just simply don't know if Fackler's bullet was tumbling or not.
But, as I mentioned earlier, in my opinion, the bullet's condition
after striking the cadaver's wrist is even MORE impressive if the test
bullet had NOT tumbled into the wrist bone.

>>> "The fact that the bullet [CE399] can be linked to Oswald's gun makes it look all the more like a plant." <<<

Only in the oddball world of conspiracy nuts could a statement like
the above be made.

This case is filled with a bunch of "C2766 Carcano" evidence -- e.g.,
shells, fragments in the car, and the rifle itself being hidden behind
boxes on the same floor of the TSBD from where shots were being fired
at the President.

And yet Miles Scull thinks that since CE399 can be linked to Oswald's
C2766 rifle too (in ADDITION to all of the stuff previously mentioned
above), this indicates that CE399 is a "plant".

In other words -- According to Miles Scull: Corroborating evidence
indicates "planted" evidence.

But in the real world, corroborating evidence makes it much more
likely that CE399 was NOT a "plant", because CE399 blends in with all
of that OTHER ballistics evidence tied to Oswald's gun.

Or is ALL of it "planted", Miles?

And if not, then why was there any need to plant CE399, since all of
that OTHER STUFF would be linking the proverbial "patsy" to the crime
anyway? (Particularly the items that many CTers think were planted by
the conspirators on the sixth floor of the Book Depository--the rifle
itself and the three shells from Rifle C2766 in the Sniper's Nest.)

Why in the world wouldn't the RIFLE ITSELF and the THREE SHELLS be
more than enough to link Patsy Oswald to the crime?

Were the plotters just overactive? Or just plain reckless?

>>> "The point needs to be made from two perspectives. Non-tumbling, the nose of the [Fackler test] bullet would have had a much greater impact percentage than a tumbling bullet. Simply because the brunt of the impact would have been taken on a much smaller area. So if the bullet tested was tumbling, it proves the point DVP is making. If the bullet is not tumbling, it proves his point to a higher degree. This is a 'win win' for the test." <<<

I agree.

>>> "Rubbish. You apparently cannot read." <<<

Miles Scull is being an idiot, as usual.

Your silly contention, Miles, is, in fact, that CORROBORATING EVIDENCE
equals PLANTED EVIDENCE.

That's exactly what you are saying, in a nutshell. And it's just plain
dumb.

If the "plotters" already had the rifle and the shells in the TSBD,
there simply would be no need whatsoever to add still more stuff to
the "planted" pile. And if you believe that superfluity was necessary,
you're crazy.

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