Greg Parker Damages Kennedy Research

[Scrum Drum]

My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...

The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

[Scrum Drum]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 10:22:04 AM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:



Parker's trolls are currently doing their Lone Nutter duty under Parker's oversight and are taking down a real JFK hero Fletcher Prouty...Parker's troll farm and its members are acting exactly like COINTELPRO in their hazing and harassing of main conspiracy sources...


Which brings us around to Jim DiEugenio and his periodic support of Parker and his destructive troll farm...This is the place where Jim always stays the quietest and never explains his support for endorsing what is probably the worst threat to JFK research to ever come around...Jim's failure to explain his support of some of the biggest trolls out there and their attacking important conspiracy figures is exactly what ended up getting me banned 8 years ago...And that dishonest bastard Jim D is totally silent when Parker's trolls are going after Prouty with a cheap character assassination campaign...

[robert johnson]

You left out the fact that you are the worst delusional troll of the pack.
Cinque even thinks you are nuts, now that's really something.
You are a malignant bag of puss when it comes to Kennedy and Hendrix research.
No one likes you and think you are a full blown retard.
Yet that seems to totally elude you.

[Jobe willhut]

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[Jobe willhut]

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[Jobe willhut]

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:03:08 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:

Suck ....................

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[Jobe willhut]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...
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> The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

Chin..chin..and suck deeply (always remember chin chin tuck) and now with the backwards ponytail car wash head motion and swallow.....

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[Jobe willhut]

chin..chin..suck..always remember.

Hey do you like the smell of Brut deodarant or are you more of a lemon verbena type and all while you suckle on...

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[Jobe willhut]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...
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> The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

Hey car wash boy..(snapping my fingers)..put on double wax okay? One for the car and the other while you honeysuckle on ............

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[Jobe willhut]

[Jobe willhut]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...
>
> The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

You're kind of a "simple" son of a bitch aren't you?

Allow me to make pigtails out of your sotten, Sanibel Gold toking, car wash locks with interlocking handles on each side so as to get better "english on the ball" while you gorge yourself on.....


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[Scrum Drum]

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 10:56:52 PM UTC-4, Jobe willhut wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:

You can see ROKC's contribution to JFK research in Jobe's trolling input...


It is amazing how stupid and embarrassing the internet JFK research world is that it still takes their Prayer Man claim seriously...

[Greg Parker]

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 12:22:04 AM UTC+10, Scrum Drum wrote:
> My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...
>
> The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

G'day, Scrummy, I am def devo by what you say. I haven't been sledged so bad since sitting on 87 for the Whykikamookau Y-Fronts under 10s and facing that fucker "Skinny" Stromboli, the Womberal Wombats own King of Spin. You're not related to "Skinny" by any chance?

Anyhow me ol' China Plate, I freely admit haven't reached your dizzy heights of combining the WC lone nut playbook with a b-grade sci-fi spy schlock-fest to create what should be dubbed the Doppler-Ganger Effect Syndrome or Sarah's Fishcake: My Bold Plan to Get a Piece of That Pie!

I have no malice for you, cob, despite your zen sandals, and your young nubile trunk accessories.

Wotcha say we just bury the hatchet, uh? Smoke the ol' peace pipe Go on a tear through Florida Keys. Let one of the sheilas out of your basement on Thanksgiving just as a sign of good will. Burn a bra. Ban the bomb. Take the fucking Kool Aid.... and mix it with Gramps home made hooch. Read the Anarchists Cook Book to a kindergarten class. Send an apology to the Susquehanna Hat Company for the damage done to its good rep. Join the Pirate Party, but refuse to lose a leg or wear a patch. If we turn slowly, and just go step by step, we got this.

[John Corbett]

You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.

[robert johnson]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:08:12 PM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote:
> You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.

Not nearly as funny as lone nutters who keep running away when evidence is thrown at them
Now THAT isn't just funny, it is hilarious.
Gluttons for punishment and they keep on coming back.

[robert johnson]

And Brian Doyle is a cross dressing LNer, he is so retarded he does not even realize he belongs to your delusional little gang.

[Jobe willhut]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:

> My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...
>
> The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

SUCK ON....................


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[Jobe willhut]

How's my dick taste Brian? Salty or Sweaty?

Suck on.............

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[Jobe willhut]

My contribution to JFK research is keep absolutely crazy ass motherfuckers like you OFF of the internet entirely so you can't infect the communoity already thatn you have by being banned at 7, count them 7, JFK research sites.

So fuck off you little bitch ass punkass motherfucker before I beat your ass with a knotted plow line boy.

[Jobe willhut]

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[Steven Galbraith]

Sorry, the evidence for what? That it was the CIA? Or the FBI? Or rich Texas oilmen? Or the Pentagon? Anti-Castro Cubans? The mob? Wall Street bankers? The Mossad? Birchers? What evidence are we running away from again? You folks are projecting your grievances with someone or something onto this event and using it to go after them. And you want us to babysit you and correct you in your game. After 60 years of this you folks can't agree on anything other than there was a conspiracy. Look at the infighting. It's like two religious sects fighting over the interpretation of religious texts.
The idea that the US government - with all of its bureaucracy and layers (this is a federal government not a parliamentary one) and divisions - could do something like what you folks claim is utterly preposterous. And the media - the same one that exposed the CIA's abuses and other crimes - covered it up too? Impossible. No, that's not argument from absurdity it's a fact. A Hitler, a Stalin couldn't do what you people argue happened. But in a federal system like the US it could?
Really, at this point I'd suggest another hobby; maybe butterfly collecting. It'd get you people out of the house.

[Greg Parker]

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:08:12 PM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote:
> > > You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.
> > Not nearly as funny as lone nutters who keep running away when evidence is thrown at them
> > Now THAT isn't just funny, it is hilarious.
> > Gluttons for punishment and they keep on coming back.
> Sorry, the evidence for what? That it was the CIA? Or the FBI? Or rich Texas oilmen? Or the Pentagon? Anti-Castro Cubans? The mob? Wall Street bankers? The Mossad? Birchers? What evidence are we running away from again?

More straw men. Evidence of Oswald's innocence.

Let's try this.

Explain to me how Oswald could see Junior Jarman and Shorty Norman re-renter through the loading dock if he himself was on the 6th floor?

From Bookhout's solo report
"Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."

It is not possible to "walk through" the domino room. There is only one door in and out and why would anyone "walk hrough" it anyway? What Oswald obviously said was that he saw them walk through the area. They themselves stated they re-entered via the back loading dock - itself visible through the domino room window. But as we will see, Norman possibly did eat his lunch in the domoni room while Oswald was also there ding the same.

Fritz and Kelley tried to quash Oswald's alibi by lying about it and claiming Oswald said he had lunch with both of them. Fritz simply asked Jarman if he had lunch with Oswald - he denied it - job done - the alibi made up by Fritz is now defeated.

But Harold Norman testified that he ate lunch in the domino room and that someone else was in there at the time, but gosh darn, couldn't recall who it was.

Mr. BALL. You got your lunch and did you eat your lunch?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I ate my lunch.
Mr. BALL. Where were you when you ate your lunch?
Mr. NORMAN. In the domino room, as I recall.
Mr. BALL. Who was with you at that time?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the domino room, with me.
Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there?
Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning.
Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys usually come in to play.
Mr. BALL. You usually play dominoes during the noon hour?
Mr. NORMAN. Noon hour and the break period.
Mr. BALL. After you ate your lunch, what did you do?
Mr. NORMAN. I got with James Jarman, he and I got together on the first floor.

Do you think maybe any commission interested in the facts might have asked Jarman a coupla more questions about who was in there, given they knew Oswald claimed he ate there?

I dunno, maybe they could have asked for example if the other person was a whitey, or a black fella? That mighta narrowed down the possibilities doncha think? It sure wasn't Jarman, acording to Norman himself.

Maybe you'lll go with Oswald being psychic in being able to correctly name/identify the ONLY two employees to go out to watch the parade but RE-ENTER the building (at 12:25) PRIOR to the motorcade? The time is stamped by a police radio message they heard on the way back in.

I have tested this numerous times with random people with no interest in the case, just asking if in the circumstances outlined, would they consider this a valid and verified alibi. The answer in every case is, "yes".

I'll go further and state that only someone with a bias against Oswald, or is irrevocably tied to pimping the government case, is going to even attempt to justify denying the validity of this alibi.

Good luck! And please - do not veer into conspiracy theories or try and move the goal posts or use any other LN nonsense tactic.

[robert johnson]

I bet you he will just do just that!

[Gil Jesus]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 8:41:15 PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> The idea that the US government - with all of its bureaucracy and layers (this is a federal government not a parliamentary one) and divisions - could do something like what you folks claim is utterly preposterous. And > the media - the same one that exposed the CIA's abuses and other crimes - covered it up too? Impossible. No, that's not argument from absurdity it's a fact.

Of course the US government would NEVER cover anything up.
And the media would NEVER support a government coverup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G68i8-ZztcM

The media didn't expose anything the CIA did. That was the Church Committee.

How did the media support the coverup's lies over the years ?
Here's your answer professor:
https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/media-lies.mp4

Sounds like you don't have a grasp on historical events.

[John Corbett]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:34:33 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:08:12 PM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote:
> > > > You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.
> > > Not nearly as funny as lone nutters who keep running away when evidence is thrown at them
> > > Now THAT isn't just funny, it is hilarious.
> > > Gluttons for punishment and they keep on coming back.
> > Sorry, the evidence for what? That it was the CIA? Or the FBI? Or rich Texas oilmen? Or the Pentagon? Anti-Castro Cubans? The mob? Wall Street bankers? The Mossad? Birchers? What evidence are we running away from again?
> More straw men. Evidence of Oswald's innocence.
>
> Let's try this.
>
> Explain to me how Oswald could see Junior Jarman and Shorty Norman re-renter through the loading dock if he himself was on the 6th floor?

He couldn't. He didn't.

>
> From Bookhout's solo report
> "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."
>
> It is not possible to "walk through" the domino room. There is only one door in and out and why would anyone "walk hrough" it anyway? What Oswald obviously said was that he saw them walk through the area. They themselves stated they re-entered via the back loading dock - itself visible through the domino room window. But as we will see, Norman possibly did eat his lunch in the domoni room while Oswald was also there ding the same.

None of this establishes Oswald was in the domino room at the time of the shooting which is
what is required to give Oswald an alibi.

>
> Fritz and Kelley tried to quash Oswald's alibi by lying about it and claiming Oswald said he had lunch with both of them. Fritz simply asked Jarman if he had lunch with Oswald - he denied it - job done - the alibi made up by Fritz is now defeated.
>
> But Harold Norman testified that he ate lunch in the domino room and that someone else was in there at the time, but gosh darn, couldn't recall who it was.

So Oswald doesn't have a verifiable alibi.

>
> Mr. BALL. You got your lunch and did you eat your lunch?
> Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I ate my lunch.
> Mr. BALL. Where were you when you ate your lunch?
> Mr. NORMAN. In the domino room, as I recall.
> Mr. BALL. Who was with you at that time?
> Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the domino room, with me.
> Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there?
> Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning.
> Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning?
> Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys usually come in to play.
> Mr. BALL. You usually play dominoes during the noon hour?
> Mr. NORMAN. Noon hour and the break period.
> Mr. BALL. After you ate your lunch, what did you do?
> Mr. NORMAN. I got with James Jarman, he and I got together on the first floor.
>
> Do you think maybe any commission interested in the facts might have asked Jarman a coupla more questions about who was in there, given they knew Oswald claimed he ate there?

Norman already said he couldn't remember who he saw.

>
> I dunno, maybe they could have asked for example if the other person was a whitey, or a black fella? That mighta narrowed down the possibilities doncha think? It sure wasn't Jarman, acording to Norman himself.
>
> Maybe you'lll go with Oswald being psychic in being able to correctly name/identify the ONLY two employees to go out to watch the parade but RE-ENTER the building (at 12:25) PRIOR to the motorcade? The time is stamped by a police radio message they heard on the way back in.

Or maybe Oswald knew that Norman and Jarman usually played dominoes during the lunch hour
and took an educated guess. A wealth of forensic evidence that puts Oswald in the sniper's nest
during the shooting, outweighs Oswald's story. How could Oswald have been eating his lunch
when Frazier said he didn't bring a lunch with him?

>
> I have tested this numerous times with random people with no interest in the case, just asking if in the circumstances outlined, would they consider this a valid and verified alibi. The answer in every case is, "yes".

Did you also tell them about all the forensic evidence that put Oswald in the sniper's nest and the
eyewitness who IDed him?

>
> I'll go further and state that only someone with a bias against Oswald, or is irrevocably tied to pimping the government case, is going to even attempt to justify denying the validity of this alibi.

Or maybe somebody good at weighing evidence.

>
> Good luck! And please - do not veer into conspiracy theories or try and move the goal posts or use any other LN nonsense tactic.

You don't have to worry about the LNs joining in on your never ending snipe hunt.

[John Corbett]

Of course those in power will lie and attempt to cover things up when it is in their interest to
do so. What you are lacking is evidence that they did so in this case or any reason they would
want to cover it up. You simply assume things you cannot prove because it is what you want to
believe. You have wasted decades of your life hunting the white whale and you are now so
invested in it that you can't admit even to yourself that it was a fool's errand from the start.

[Steven Galbraith]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:34:33 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:

This is a conspiracy forum/newsgroup not a "Oswald was innocent" forum/group. You view Oswald as an American Dreyfus, as an innocent man framed by the evil Nazi prosecutor Wade and his sidekick Fritz and caught up in the unjust American criminal justice system. This is your white whale: the American justice system. Each of you conspiracists have your own white whale and you reverse engineering a conspiracy in order to find it.
Because conspiracists start with your conclusions first and find evidence for that second, you folks can't agree on just about anything. Other than there was a white whale to go after. It's why we see this vicious internal fights and name calling. To you, lone assassin believers are misguided fools and idiots; but fellow conspiracy believers who disagree with you are heretics and traitors: those are worse than the idiot nutters. So they must be destroyed.
Two more: the idea that "disinformation agents" from the CIA are here or elsewhere disrupting your hobby is absurd. It's paranoid nonsense. Second, Oswald wasn't on the steps. If he was he would have been screaming to everyone that he was. The adult Oswald was not the 12 year old Oswald. If he believed he was being mistreated he would not allow it.

[Scrum Drum]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 12:05:44 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 12:22:04 AM UTC+10, Scrum Drum wrote:

Greg Parker wrote:


> " Wotcha say we just bury the hatchet, uh? Smoke the ol' peace pipe Go on a tear through Florida Keys. Let one of the sheilas out of your basement on Thanksgiving just as a sign of good will. Burn a bra. Ban the bomb. Take the fucking Kool Aid.... and mix it with Gramps home made hooch. Read the Anarchists Cook Book to a kindergarten class. Send an apology to the Susquehanna Hat Company for the damage done to its good rep. Join the Pirate Party, but refuse to lose a leg or wear a patch. If we turn slowly, and just go step by step, we got this. "

As any serious researcher can see Greg has no respect for good research and has zero regret for the serious damage he has caused with his Prayer Man theory that originated from himself and was taken up by Sean Murphy...

The current research community has enough social media-type "researchers" that an artificial majority develops where Greg's research gains popularity and gets the advantage just by sheer mention...The community prefers long-winded bullshit artists to skilled researchers who tell them things they don't want to hear because it disallows their fanciful bullshit...

Although allowed back on the Deep Politics Forum I see an anonymous person has scored all my posts with one star giving them the lowest rating...That is actually against the DPF rules of no abusing any member - especially moderators...Since I am the person who has single-handedly refuted the Prayer Man theory against nasty opposition I deserve credit for that and respect however I get the opposite because the JFK research community is just a bunch of hypocritical mugwamps who judge not by merit or material but by friendship and cliques...The membership and oversight of internet JFK research have failed and betrayed the necessary high standard and have imposed themselves before objective research...When Mark Knight denied me re-entry to the Education Forum he said he was denying me because I was a "Shit-Poster" like Greg Parker...Knight also admitted he didn't really have any idea what my original banning was about...In that one statement Knight was showing what the present JFK research community is really about...Who is Mark Knight?...He's just some random asshole from Indiana who happens to have total power on the Education Forum...Knight gave zero mention to the fact that I was horrifically wrongfully banned because I stood up against the Prayer Man mob and took their theory down...James Gordon is a criminal and he made false excuses for my banning because he didn't want someone he openly patronized and falsely accused of site rules violation to turn around and hand the board its ass in the best presentation of evidence on the subject that handily refuted the theory...The asshole members of that forum are dirty and know how the game works over there so they went along with it because they realized Gordon was getting rid of someone who was capable of refuting their popular bullshit theory...Gordon didn't want me to show that he didn't know what he was doing so the coward turned that in to a site rules violation that he made up as he went along and banned me for life with no chance of re-instatement...Mark Knight is just a Gordon suck-up whose job it is to agree with everything Gordon does...

In any case, anyone with any intelligence can see Greg is agreeing that I have proven his Prayer Man theory is bullshit...He's just doing it in his trolling way where he doesn't have to admit it honestly or directly...Which is why he's a threat to good research who should be sequestered from serious research venues and made notorious instead of the other way around...

Those asshole moderators have way too much power and the research community is stupid and ball-less - preferring fanciful theories to hard research...They lie and say they are all about the highest evidence vetting standards but then they switch to mob rule and favoritism when they need to get out of answering for their seriously flawed claims (like Greg here)...All directly dependent on their use of cowardly banning, censorship, and gas-lighting to disappear evidence that refutes them and its source...

[Jobe willhut]

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:03:08 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 10:22:04 AM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
>
>
>
> Parker's trolls are currently doing their Lone Nutter duty under Parker's oversight and are taking down a real JFK hero Fletcher Prouty...Parker's troll farm and its members are acting exactly like COINTELPRO in their hazing and harassing of main conspiracy sources...
>
>
> Which brings us around to Jim DiEugenio and his periodic support of Parker and his destructive troll farm...This is the place where Jim always stays the quietest and never explains his support for endorsing what is probably the worst threat to JFK research to ever come around...Jim's failure to explain his support of some of the biggest trolls out there and their attacking important conspiracy figures is exactly what ended up getting me banned 8 years ago...And that dishonest bastard Jim D is totally silent when Parker's trolls are going after Prouty with a cheap character assassination campaign...

Imagine that. You're the creme de la creme of TROLLS you hapless son of a bitch.

[Jobe willhut]

Your contribution to JFK serious research amounts to the crap you scrape off the inside of a sewer pipe.

S.H.I.T.

You are the "King of Junk Science"

[Jobe willhut]

But, you're NOT a serious researcher so you have zero idea of what real research is and what it takes to obtain it.

[robert johnson]

DANG!

[John Corbett]

It's hilarious that any of you clowns think you are doing serious research. You are all on a never
ending snipe hunt. If any of you were serious researchers, you would have some progress to
show for your efforts. As it is, I keep seeing the same lame arguments being put forth now that
I was seeing when I first started discussing the assassination online over 30 years ago. My
knowledge of the assassination has improved tremendously during that time but the conspiracy
hobby seems to be stuck in neutral.

[Bud]

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:34:33 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:08:12 PM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote:
> > > > You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.
> > > Not nearly as funny as lone nutters who keep running away when evidence is thrown at them
> > > Now THAT isn't just funny, it is hilarious.
> > > Gluttons for punishment and they keep on coming back.
> > Sorry, the evidence for what? That it was the CIA? Or the FBI? Or rich Texas oilmen? Or the Pentagon? Anti-Castro Cubans? The mob? Wall Street bankers? The Mossad? Birchers? What evidence are we running away from again?
> More straw men. Evidence of Oswald's innocence.
>
> Let's try this.
>
> Explain to me how Oswald could see Junior Jarman and Shorty Norman re-renter through the loading dock if he himself was on the 6th floor?

That is as begged as it gets.

> From Bookhout's solo report
> "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."

They "possibly" came in? If you are in a room alone, how do you not know if someone comes in or not?

> It is not possible to "walk through" the domino room.

Could be just a figure of speech. It doesn`t necessarily mean going through by separate doors.

> There is only one door in and out and why would anyone "walk hrough" it anyway? What Oswald obviously said was that he saw them walk through the area.

So you throw out the parts that don`t work for your idea. The room was specified.

> They themselves stated they re-entered via the back loading dock - itself visible through the domino room window.

Is it really? And why would Oswald be standing at the window if he was eating his lunch?

> But as we will see, Norman possibly did eat his lunch in the domoni room while Oswald was also there ding the same.

Actually if you check you will find that Norman and Junior went around back because the steps were crowded. Dougherty said he went to the lunchroom to eat his lunch because he couldn`t get out because the steps were crowded. Nobody was in the lunchroom with Dougherty ate his lunch there.

> Fritz and Kelley tried to quash Oswald's alibi by lying about it and claiming Oswald said he had lunch with both of them. Fritz simply asked Jarman if he had lunch with Oswald - he denied it - job done - the alibi made up by Fritz is now defeated.
>
> But Harold Norman testified that he ate lunch in the domino room and that someone else was in there at the time, but gosh darn, couldn't recall who it was.
>
> Mr. BALL. You got your lunch and did you eat your lunch?
> Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I ate my lunch.
> Mr. BALL. Where were you when you ate your lunch?
> Mr. NORMAN. In the domino room, as I recall.
> Mr. BALL. Who was with you at that time?
> Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the domino room, with me.
> Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there?
> Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning.
> Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning?
> Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys usually come in to play.
> Mr. BALL. You usually play dominoes during the noon hour?
> Mr. NORMAN. Noon hour and the break period.
> Mr. BALL. After you ate your lunch, what did you do?
> Mr. NORMAN. I got with James Jarman, he and I got together on the first floor.
>
> Do you think maybe any commission interested in the facts might have asked Jarman a coupla more questions about who was in there, given they knew Oswald claimed he ate there?

Everyone was asked when they saw Oswald.

> I dunno, maybe they could have asked for example if the other person was a whitey, or a black fella? That mighta narrowed down the possibilities doncha think? It sure wasn't Jarman, acording to Norman himself.
>
> Maybe you'lll go with Oswald being psychic in being able to correctly name/identify the ONLY two employees to go out to watch the parade but RE-ENTER the building (at 12:25) PRIOR to the motorcade? The time is stamped by a police radio message they heard on the way back in.

Who heard it?

> I have tested this numerous times with random people with no interest in the case, just asking if in the circumstances outlined, would they consider this a valid and verified alibi. The answer in every case is, "yes".

Probably the way you portrayed it.

It fails as an alibi many ways. If those guys could have gotten to the fifth then Oswald could have gotten to the sixth in time for the motorcade. It fails because you have to knock the corners off the square peg to get it to fit in the round hole. It fails because Oswald could have seen them travel in places besides the domino room. It fails because the source says he was uncertain that he saw them at all.

> I'll go further and state that only someone with a bias against Oswald, or is irrevocably tied to pimping the government case, is going to even attempt to justify denying the validity of this alibi.

So says your confirmation bias. Perhaps only your desperation to concoct an alibi for Oswald makes you see this as such.

> Good luck! And please - do not veer into conspiracy theories or try and move the goal posts or use any other LN nonsense tactic.

Or that reasoning stuff, don`t do that.

[Bud]

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 8:49:26 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:34:33 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:08:12 PM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote:
> > > > > You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.
> > > > Not nearly as funny as lone nutters who keep running away when evidence is thrown at them
> > > > Now THAT isn't just funny, it is hilarious.
> > > > Gluttons for punishment and they keep on coming back.
> > > Sorry, the evidence for what? That it was the CIA? Or the FBI? Or rich Texas oilmen? Or the Pentagon? Anti-Castro Cubans? The mob? Wall Street bankers? The Mossad? Birchers? What evidence are we running away from again?
> > More straw men. Evidence of Oswald's innocence.
> >
> > Let's try this.
> >
> > Explain to me how Oswald could see Junior Jarman and Shorty Norman re-renter through the loading dock if he himself was on the 6th floor?
> He couldn't. He didn't.
> >
> > From Bookhout's solo report
> > "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."
> >
> > It is not possible to "walk through" the domino room. There is only one door in and out and why would anyone "walk hrough" it anyway? What Oswald obviously said was that he saw them walk through the area. They themselves stated they re-entered via the back loading dock - itself visible through the domino room window. But as we will see, Norman possibly did eat his lunch in the domoni room while Oswald was also there ding the same.
> None of this establishes Oswald was in the domino room at the time of the shooting which is
> what is required to give Oswald an alibi.

Exactly, nobody was killed when Oswald was supposedly in the domino room.

Oswald was nothing if not clever, I think it is quite possible he kept the rifle and the clip separate. If he gets caught with the rifle without the clip he can always say he saw Warren Castor with rifles so he brought it in to see if he wanted to buy it. Without the clip it is innocuous. So maybe he keeps the clip in his jacket pocket in the domino room and has to retrieve it. We really only know what he did, the mechanics and the logistics are a mystery.

Of course people outside said they saw the person the 6th floor, but it really doesn`t take a long time to go six floors.

[Greg Parker]

You need to broaden your horizons. Here. Sure. Same arguments since it started. It also depends on what you define as progress and your willingness to actually evaluate it without your certified LN vs CT WWF cap on.

But let's start with your definition of "progress" before you start kneejerking your denial of specific examples.

[John Corbett]

Progress would indicate somebody had uncovered credible evidence or made a new
compelling argument that somebody other than Oswald took part in this crime. In over 30 years
of reading allegations by conspiracy hobbyists, I have yet to see anything that could remotely be
called credible or a new argument that could be called compelling. Ocassionally somebody
will dream up a new theory that is more ridiculous than anything presented in the past. Mostly the hobby consists of polishing up old turds and presenting them as if they were new.

If you don't like my definition of progress, feel free to provide your own and tell me what progress
you think has been made using that definition.

[Greg Parker]

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 7:59:13 AM UTC+10, Bud wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:34:33 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:08:12 PM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote:
> > > > > You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.
> > > > Not nearly as funny as lone nutters who keep running away when evidence is thrown at them
> > > > Now THAT isn't just funny, it is hilarious.
> > > > Gluttons for punishment and they keep on coming back.
> > > Sorry, the evidence for what? That it was the CIA? Or the FBI? Or rich Texas oilmen? Or the Pentagon? Anti-Castro Cubans? The mob? Wall Street bankers? The Mossad? Birchers? What evidence are we running away from again?
> > More straw men. Evidence of Oswald's innocence.
> >
> > Let's try this.
> >
> > Explain to me how Oswald could see Junior Jarman and Shorty Norman re-renter through the loading dock if he himself was on the 6th floor?
> That is as begged as it gets.

Jesus H Christ, you STILL don't understand what that means!

"The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question."

This is not a PREMISE. Iis a fucking question - and a valid one with no presumptions except that you will all avoid answering it. Stop taking your fucking definitions from the John McFuckingAdams McFuckingdictionary.

> > From Bookhout's solo report
> > "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."
> They "possibly" came in? If you are in a room alone, how do you not know if someone comes in or not?
> > It is not possible to "walk through" the domino room.

> Could be just a figure of speech. It doesn`t necessarily mean going through by separate doors.

Blach blah blah.. Who the fuck walks in a door of a timy room, does a tour of it be walking the few feet that consitutes the the "through", turns and exists through the same door? Were those workers unfamikira with the layout? FFS you guys come up with some shit reasoning to avoid the fucking obvious - that they walked "through" the first floor storage area.

> > There is only one door in and out and why would anyone "walk hrough" it anyway? What Oswald obviously said was that he saw them walk through the area.
> So you throw out the parts that don`t work for your idea. The room was specified.

By Bookhout trying to summarize without personal knowledge of the layout of the area.

> > They themselves stated they re-entered via the back loading dock - itself visible through the domino room window.
> Is it really? And why would Oswald be standing at the window if he was eating his lunch?

LOL. Why do you need to stand at a window to see out of it,, Budster?

> > But as we will see, Norman possibly did eat his lunch in the domoni room while Oswald was also there ding the same.
> Actually if you check you will find that Norman and Junior went around back because the steps were crowded. Dougherty said he went to the lunchroom to eat his lunch because he couldn`t get out because the steps were crowded. Nobody was in the lunchroom with Dougherty ate his lunch there.

Dougherty ate his lunch there earlier and went back to work. He was upstairs at 12:25 when this happened.

Mr. BALL - Wait a minute---did you go to lunch?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I went back downstairs to eat lunch---yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What time?
Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, it was 12 o'clock.

> > Fritz and Kelley tried to quash Oswald's alibi by lying about it and claiming Oswald said he had lunch with both of them. Fritz simply asked Jarman if he had lunch with Oswald - he denied it - job done - the alibi made up by Fritz is now defeated.
> >
> > But Harold Norman testified that he ate lunch in the domino room and that someone else was in there at the time, but gosh darn, couldn't recall who it was.
> >
> > Mr. BALL. You got your lunch and did you eat your lunch?
> > Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I ate my lunch.
> > Mr. BALL. Where were you when you ate your lunch?
> > Mr. NORMAN. In the domino room, as I recall.
> > Mr. BALL. Who was with you at that time?
> > Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the domino room, with me.
> > Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there?
> > Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning.
> > Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning?
> > Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys usually come in to play.
> > Mr. BALL. You usually play dominoes during the noon hour?
> > Mr. NORMAN. Noon hour and the break period.
> > Mr. BALL. After you ate your lunch, what did you do?
> > Mr. NORMAN. I got with James Jarman, he and I got together on the first floor.
> >
> > Do you think maybe any commission interested in the facts might have asked Jarman a coupla more questions about who was in there, given they knew Oswald claimed he ate there?

> Everyone was asked when they saw Oswald.

Yep. And they all knew they could not report seeing him after a certain time - unless it was on the 6th floor.

> > I dunno, maybe they could have asked for example if the other person was a whitey, or a black fella? That mighta narrowed down the possibilities doncha think? It sure wasn't Jarman, acording to Norman himself.
> >
> > Maybe you'lll go with Oswald being psychic in being able to correctly name/identify the ONLY two employees to go out to watch the parade but RE-ENTER the building (at 12:25) PRIOR to the motorcade? The time is stamped by a police radio message they heard on the way back in.
> Who heard it?

Norman and Jarman.

> > I have tested this numerous times with random people with no interest in the case, just asking if in the circumstances outlined, would they consider this a valid and verified alibi. The answer in every case is, "yes".

> Probably the way you portrayed it.

Probably not. It was portrayed in the same manner as it was put here,.

>
> It fails as an alibi many ways. If those guys could have gotten to the fifth then Oswald could have gotten to the sixth in time for the motorcade.

Sure. He could have ran up, set up his sniper's and assembled the MC all in that 5 minutes. FFS - and all without being seen or heard by anyone.

> It fails because you have to knock the corners off the square peg to get it to fit in the round hole.

In what way have I done that?

It fails because Oswald could have seen them travel in places besides the domino room.

Such as?

> It fails because the source says he was uncertain that he saw them at all.

His seeming uncertainty in saying "I Think there was someone else in there because..." is belied by the reason that follows " we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning." So he is saying he thinks there was siomeone else BECAUSE whoever it was DIDN'T PLAY dominoes.

In other words, he reemembers that there WAS someone, but whoever it was, was a non-domino player.

And that does narrow it down. Only the black guys played dominos, so right away, we know this was a white guy. We have already ruled out you first guess, Dougherrty. Why don't you give it another shot?

> > I'll go further and state that only someone with a bias against Oswald, or is irrevocably tied to pimping the government case, is going to even attempt to justify denying the validity of this alibi.

> So says your confirmation bias. Perhaps only your desperation to concoct an alibi for Oswald makes you see this as such.

I see your ignorance extends to the definition of "confirmation bias"

> > Good luck! And please - do not veer into conspiracy theories or try and move the goal posts or use any other LN nonsense tactic.

> Or that reasoning stuff, don`t do that.

No - please do. I want one you assclowns to actually find any holes in the argument iof you can. Actual reasoning would also entail, admitting it if you can't.

Actual reeasoning is not redefining various phrases to suit yourself, or making denials that you are too lazy to substantiate with examples or evidence.

[Greg Parker]

Nor isit a LONE NUT forum.

If Oswald was innocent, then there almost certainly was a conspiracy to murder JFK. I'm not buying a second lone nut theory, There was certainly a conspiravy to frame Oswald.

You view Oswald as an American Dreyfus, as an innocent man framed by the evil Nazi prosecutor Wade and his sidekick Fritz and caught up in the unjust American criminal justice system. This is your white whale: the American justice system. Each of you conspiracists have your own white whale and you reverse engineering a conspiracy in order to find it.

Your passion for hyperbole is noted.

Let's look at some documented facts.

From a September 5, 1949 FBI report about Fritz: "These files contain Crime Survey Reports of the Dallas Office from November, 1946 through to April 16, 1949. In each of these reports, it is stated that Captain Fritz is the cause of much dissension in the Dallas Police Department because of his refusal to cooperate with other officers. The April 15, 1949 crime survey report on page 17states that Captain Fritz is in charge of the Dallas Police Department Rape, Homicide and Robbery Bureau, was formerly in charge of the Detectives Division, was demoted by Chief of Police Hannson and 'continues to consitute a problem in the efficient operation of the Dallas Police Department... Captain Fritz does bot cooperate with other divisions of the department nor with this Bureau. He constantly seeks publicity, and on any case, whether his department has jurisdiction or not, Fritz works independently and alone. His ability as an officer cannot be questioned. His informant coverage is excellent."
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=129778#relPageId=4&search=fritz_and%20666

This same report also says he cleared 656 of 666 caes overa 10 year period, which is the only reason Hoover doesn't question his ability. But he got those clearances by using physical and psychological torture and via his "extensive" informant coverage - the latter a problem identified in a large number of wrongful convictions - so much so that some jurisdictions no longer allow a single witness to be the sole reason for conviction.

Wade confirms all of this and adds that Fritz is hopeless at gathering evidence. HE fucking solves 98% of cases while acting alone and being a hopeless evidencellector. Go figure. This is also Wade setting up his own defense if the shit ever hit the fan. He was more than ready to throw Fritz under the bus.

Mr. RANKIN. You can tell us the rest that you said to Chief Curry and he said to you at that time, first.
Mr. WADE. I asked him how the case was coming along and, as a practical matter he didn't know. You probably have run into this, but there is really a lack of communication between the chief's office and the captain of detective's office there in Dallas.
Mr. RANKIN. You found that to be true.
Mr. WADE. For every year I have been in the office down there. And I assume you have taken their depositions. I don't know what the relations--the relations are better between Curry and Fritz than between Hanson and Fritz, who was his predecessor. But Fritz runs a kind of a one-man operation there where nobody else knows what he is doing. Even me, for instance, he is reluctant to tell me, either, but I don't mean that disparagingly. I will say Captain Fritz is about as good a man at solving a crime as I ever saw, to find out who did it but he is poorest in the getting evidence that I know, and I am more interested in getting evidence, and there is where our major conflict comes in.

Then of course there as the time in 1954 when they did in fact work together to send an innocent man to the electric chair.
https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2016/may/henry-wade-executed-innocent-man/

So you can defend them all you want, but they were pond scum.

This is your white whale: the American justice system. Each of you conspiracists have your own white whale and you reverse engineering a conspiracy in order to find it.

Your patented White Whale speech.

> Because conspiracists start with your conclusions

Do they? Do tell.

I started all over again when I concluded that the conspiricists were every bit is abad as the nutters with their bullshit. So I started again, taking EVERYTHING of the table and going through ALL of vthe evidence - not just the WC cherry-picked evidence nor the equally cherry-picked CT evidence and started reconstructed the timeline of the sole accused. If the timeline of the WC was valid, I could quit and walk away because the most likely got the right guy. Note that I am still here. The official Oswald timeline is is junk,

first and find evidence for that second, you folks can't agree on just about anything.

Not fucking here to agree with anyone - or disagree for that matter. Stop fucking lunping me in with yopur mythical coterie of CTs. The facts exist outside of your opr my control and despite who believes them and who doesn't.

> Other than there was a white whale to go after. It's why we see this vicious internal fights and name calling.

No, why we see that is because of psychological issues annd personality disorders. I give you Brian as Exhibit A.

To you, lone assassin believers are misguided fools and idiots; but fellow conspiracy believers who disagree with you are heretics and traitors: those are worse than the idiot nutters. So they must be destroyed.

You got it the wrong fucking way around - as usual. I am the heritic and traitor because I do NOT go along with any of the main theories. Nor do I believe that all LNers are misguided fools or idiots. Some are clearly in the category of having the very same issues as some CTs..

There is no other explanation for some who have spent 20 plus years on this board taunting those they diosagree. There is not even an audience to play to. If this is how they have spent even just a fraction of vtgheir spare time, it does not suggest a healthy mind. .

> Two more: the idea that "disinformation agents" from the CIA are here or elsewhere disrupting your hobby is absurd.

Don't fucking care. Why are you even saying that tome, since I have never made that fucxking claim?

I> t's paranoid nonsense. Second, Oswald wasn't on the steps. If he was he would have been screaming to everyone that he was.

@BUD. This is an ACTUAL example of begging the question.

> The adult Oswald was not the 12 year old Oswald. If he believed he was being mistreated he would not allow it.

@BUD, another ACTUAL exsample of begging the question.

To explain again, using Steve's excellent examples: begging the question is assuming your conclusion is correct in your premise premise to support the conclusion.

Other examples:

Of course the bible is divine inspiration. It says so in the bible.

When did you stop beating your wife?

And thank you for not letting me dowm, Steve, doing exactly what I said you would. Avoid answering my questuon - instead attacking me via your usual broad brish bullshit, straw man argunments and laordy lordy lordy some of the finest of fine examples of begging the question.

You will never answer the question because to answer it honrestly busts YOUR white whale and spills its rancid blubber all over the beach.

[John Corbett]

It is almost a virtual certainty that he was not. Therefore the only question is whether he had
accomplices. To date, no credible evidence of such accomplices has surfaced.

> then there almost certainly was a conspiracy to murder JFK. I'm not buying a second lone nut theory, There was certainly a conspiravy to frame Oswald.

I would agree with that statement IF Oswald was guilty but he was not so that becomes moot.

> You view Oswald as an American Dreyfus, as an innocent man framed by the evil Nazi prosecutor Wade and his sidekick Fritz and caught up in the unjust American criminal justice system. This is your white whale: the American justice system. Each of you conspiracists have your own white whale and you reverse engineering a conspiracy in order to find it.
> Your passion for hyperbole is noted.
>
> Let's look at some documented facts.
>
> From a September 5, 1949 FBI report about Fritz: "These files contain Crime Survey Reports of the Dallas Office from November, 1946 through to April 16, 1949. In each of these reports, it is stated that Captain Fritz is the cause of much dissension in the Dallas Police Department because of his refusal to cooperate with other officers. The April 15, 1949 crime survey report on page 17states that Captain Fritz is in charge of the Dallas Police Department Rape, Homicide and Robbery Bureau, was formerly in charge of the Detectives Division, was demoted by Chief of Police Hannson and 'continues to consitute a problem in the efficient operation of the Dallas Police Department... Captain Fritz does bot cooperate with other divisions of the department nor with this Bureau. He constantly seeks publicity, and on any case, whether his department has jurisdiction or not, Fritz works independently and alone. His ability as an officer cannot be questioned. His informant coverage is excellent."
> https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=129778#relPageId=4&search=fritz_and%20666

What does that have to do with the question of Oswald's guilt or innocence.

>
> This same report also says he cleared 656 of 666 caes overa 10 year period, which is the only reason Hoover doesn't question his ability. But he got those clearances by using physical and psychological torture and via his "extensive" informant coverage - the latter a problem identified in a large number of wrongful convictions - so much so that some jurisdictions no longer allow a single witness to be the sole reason for conviction.
>

That would be pertinent if Oswald had confessed but he didn't. His guilt was established mostly
by the forensic evidence which was analyzed by the FBI and for key pieces, other crime labs
examined it as well.

> Wade confirms all of this and adds that Fritz is hopeless at gathering evidence. HE fucking solves 98% of cases while acting alone and being a hopeless evidencellector. Go figure. This is also Wade setting up his own defense if the shit ever hit the fan. He was more than ready to throw Fritz under the bus.
>
> Mr. RANKIN. You can tell us the rest that you said to Chief Curry and he said to you at that time, first.
> Mr. WADE. I asked him how the case was coming along and, as a practical matter he didn't know. You probably have run into this, but there is really a lack of communication between the chief's office and the captain of detective's office there in Dallas.
> Mr. RANKIN. You found that to be true.
> Mr. WADE. For every year I have been in the office down there. And I assume you have taken their depositions. I don't know what the relations--the relations are better between Curry and Fritz than between Hanson and Fritz, who was his predecessor. But Fritz runs a kind of a one-man operation there where nobody else knows what he is doing. Even me, for instance, he is reluctant to tell me, either, but I don't mean that disparagingly. I will say Captain Fritz is about as good a man at solving a crime as I ever saw, to find out who did it but he is poorest in the getting evidence that I know, and I am more interested in getting evidence, and there is where our major conflict comes in.

Other than filing the initial murder charges against Oswald, Wade was not involved in the process.
Fritz's primary involvement was interrogating Oswald. The only think that revealed is that
Oswald lied numerous times.

>
> Then of course there as the time in 1954 when they did in fact work together to send an innocent man to the electric chair.
> https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2016/may/henry-wade-executed-innocent-man/
>

Oswald was not innocent and was not sent to the electric chair so what's your point.

> So you can defend them all you want, but they were pond scum.

Nobody needs to defend Fritz or Wade to determine Oswald was a double murderer. The
reason you guys still can't figure out what happened is that you focus on all the wrong stuff
and as Bud would say, do it incorrectly.

> This is your white whale: the American justice system. Each of you conspiracists have your own white whale and you reverse engineering a conspiracy in order to find it.
> Your patented White Whale speech.
> > Because conspiracists start with your conclusions
> Do they? Do tell.
>
> I started all over again when I concluded that the conspiricists were every bit is abad as the nutters with their bullshit. So I started again, taking EVERYTHING of the table and going through ALL of vthe evidence - not just the WC cherry-picked evidence nor the equally cherry-picked CT evidence and started reconstructed the timeline of the sole accused. If the timeline of the WC was valid, I could quit and walk away because the most likely got the right guy. Note that I am still here. The official Oswald timeline is is junk,

How so?

> first and find evidence for that second, you folks can't agree on just about anything.
> Not fucking here to agree with anyone - or disagree for that matter. Stop fucking lunping me in with yopur mythical coterie of CTs. The facts exist outside of your opr my control and despite who believes them and who doesn't.
> > Other than there was a white whale to go after. It's why we see this vicious internal fights and name calling.
> No, why we see that is because of psychological issues annd personality disorders. I give you Brian as Exhibit A.
> To you, lone assassin believers are misguided fools and idiots; but fellow conspiracy believers who disagree with you are heretics and traitors: those are worse than the idiot nutters. So they must be destroyed.
> You got it the wrong fucking way around - as usual. I am the heritic and traitor because I do NOT go along with any of the main theories. Nor do I believe that all LNers are misguided fools or idiots. Some are clearly in the category of having the very same issues as some CTs..
>
> There is no other explanation for some who have spent 20 plus years on this board taunting those they diosagree. There is not even an audience to play to. If this is how they have spent even just a fraction of vtgheir spare time, it does not suggest a healthy mind. .

Does a healthy mind spend almost six decades trying solve a crime the DPD had wrapped up
in the first 12 hours?

[David Von Pein]

Greg Parker has some very strange ideas concerning Lee Oswald and the assassination of JFK, many of which I've archived at my site (below). The "Oswald Never Rented A Room At 1026 Beckley" theory being one of Greg's most bizarre (and silly) beliefs, of course....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/search?q=Greg+Parker

[David Von Pein]

"I know I shouldn't be the least bit surprised anymore when I see Internet conspiracy fantasists travelling to the ends of the Earth digging up things to try and justify their bizarre beliefs (like their super-nutty fantasy about the second-floor Baker/Truly/Oswald encounter never occurring at all), but the level of denial about certain things relating to President Kennedy's assassination that exists within some quarters of the "JFK Conspiracy Community" on the World Wide Web has just about reached levels of unparallelled proportions in the last few years (IMO). And, frankly, it's just plain crazy." -- DVP; Jan. 29, 2017

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22960-anatomy-of-the-second-floor-lunch-room-encounter/?do=findComment&comment=342498

[Steven Galbraith]

Greg Parker comes here using aliases where he proceeds to attack Brian Doyle in the most insipid of terms. He has a website where he and his merry band of followers count the blades of grass in Dealey Plaza. For decades. Well, the equivalent of such an exercise. They stare and stare at photos, go over the statements by witnesses, and find all sort of conspiracy evidence in them. And weave these bizarre stories out of them. The conspiracists have conferences - we lone nutters have none - and meetings - we have none - and have written 700+ books on the assassination claiming all sorts of conspiracies.
But we lone assassin believers have questions about the health of our minds?

[Scrum Drum]

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 11:31:11 PM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:34:33 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:




>
> I started all over again when I concluded that the conspiricists were every bit is abad as the nutters with their bullshit. So I started again, taking EVERYTHING of the table and going through ALL of vthe evidence - not just the WC cherry-picked evidence nor the equally cherry-picked CT evidence and started reconstructed the timeline of the sole accused. If the timeline of the WC was valid, I could quit and walk away because the most likely got the right guy.

Says the guy who proposed that the Tippit shooting was the result of gang warfare on Patton Street that day...I think most credible conspiracy researchers realize by now that Greg is an attention-seeking nut with a compulsion to revise evidence according to things that only he can see upon review of the evidence...Greg still hasn't admitted that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton and that his Lumpkin as Baker claim was provably bullshit since Lumpkin didn't enter the Depository until 12:50...Credible researchers will realize that Greg's purpose is to draw Kennedy assassination evidence discussion in to the endless crazy bullshit you see here while avoiding the best germane discussion...He is a crude CT evidence iconoclast who simply lacks credibility and tries to make up for it with bullshit...His overall effect is just as disruptive as anything COINTELPRO intended and tends favor the Lone Nutters...While Greg claims he is defending credible CT research against crazy claims he does so without reflecting that he is calling Sarah Stanton Oswald and still hasn't admitted it in front of undeniable evidence...He does this by means of a censorship-controlled troll farm where anyone who presents the correct evidence is banned...

> No, why we see that is because of psychological issues annd personality disorders. I give you Brian as Exhibit A.

Greg has now reverted in to one of his self-established pseudo-psychologist roles just like he did with his Aspergers analysis of Oswald...Greg is trying to con people that he is some kind of self-taught psychologist...The same nut who has gone in and permanently disabled credible JFK evidence is now attempting to do the same with pseudo psychology that is really just cheap low grade gas-light trolling...

This thread has been hijacked away from its original intent to expose Greg Parker as a research disruption infiltrator who has taken JFK research in a bad direction...You will find that the same 95% majority of researchers that I disproved on the Prayer Man issue are the exact same group that are currently ignoring me and my very important discoveries at the word of that credibility-free bully and ignoramus James Gordon...The person with the psychological disorder here is Parker whom the internet community still takes seriously and doesn't realize is an evidence disruption troll looking for attention for his compulsion-based need to pervert the evidence in crazy directions...

[Steven Galbraith]

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 11:13:07 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:
> "I know I shouldn't be the least bit surprised anymore when I see Internet conspiracy fantasists travelling to the ends of the Earth digging up things to try and justify their bizarre beliefs (like their super-nutty fantasy about the second-floor Baker/Truly/Oswald encounter never occurring at all), but the level of denial about certain things relating to President Kennedy's assassination that exists within some quarters of the "JFK Conspiracy Community" on the World Wide Web has just about reached levels of unparallelled proportions in the last few years (IMO). And, frankly, it's just plain crazy." -- DVP; Jan. 29, 2017
>
> https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22960-anatomy-of-the-second-floor-lunch-room-encounter/?do=findComment&comment=342498

The idea that they would make up an encounter with Oswald that provides an account that *generally* exonerates him - or at least makes him seem innocent - of the shooting makes no sense on any level. He's on the second floor - not near the sixth? - he appears calm and normal - not out of breath or frightened? This is helping frame him? Why make this all up? It helps him not hurts him.
If you're scripting a story you have him found coming down the stairs in an exited/hurried state. Not this.

[Steven Galbraith]

But in order to have Oswald on the steps - the Prayerman theory - you *have* to make this Baker/Truly account faked or staged. If it's real then Oswald is not on the steps.
Doesn't matter that this faked account, this fiction, helps Oswald and therefor doesn't make any sense, it has to be destroyed anyway. Must clear Oswald. Theory first and then fit the evidence around that theory.

[Bud]

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 9:40:28 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 7:59:13 AM UTC+10, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:34:33 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:41:15 AM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:08:12 PM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote:
> > > > > > You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.
> > > > > Not nearly as funny as lone nutters who keep running away when evidence is thrown at them
> > > > > Now THAT isn't just funny, it is hilarious.
> > > > > Gluttons for punishment and they keep on coming back.
> > > > Sorry, the evidence for what? That it was the CIA? Or the FBI? Or rich Texas oilmen? Or the Pentagon? Anti-Castro Cubans? The mob? Wall Street bankers? The Mossad? Birchers? What evidence are we running away from again?
> > > More straw men. Evidence of Oswald's innocence.
> > >
> > > Let's try this.
> > >
> > > Explain to me how Oswald could see Junior Jarman and Shorty Norman re-renter through the loading dock if he himself was on the 6th floor?
> > That is as begged as it gets.
> Jesus H Christ, you STILL don't understand what that means!
>
> "The fallacy of begging the question occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. In other words, you assume without proof the stand/position, or a significant part of the stand, that is in question."
>
> This is not a PREMISE. Iis a fucking question - and a valid one with no presumptions except that you will all avoid answering it. Stop taking your fucking definitions from the John McFuckingAdams McFuckingdictionary.

It assume what you haven`t shown "...how Oswald could see Junior Jarman and Shorty Norman re-renter through the loading dock...". It is begged.

> > > From Bookhout's solo report
> > > "Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."
> > They "possibly" came in? If you are in a room alone, how do you not know if someone comes in or not?
> > > It is not possible to "walk through" the domino room.
>
> > Could be just a figure of speech. It doesn`t necessarily mean going through by separate doors.
> Blach blah blah.. Who the fuck walks in a door of a timy room,

The room was given. presumably Oswald knows how many doors the Domino Room had.

And I don`t know of any size stipulation for a room to be in order to walk through it.

> does a tour of it be walking the few feet that consitutes the the "through", turns and exists through the same door? Were those workers unfamikira with the layout? FFS you guys come up with some shit reasoning to avoid the fucking obvious - that they walked "through" the first floor storage area.

Why must it be that it is the room that is wrong and not the other information?

Fritz`s notes has "say two negr came in. One Jr. and short negr".

http://www.jfk-info.com/notes3.htm

> > > There is only one door in and out and why would anyone "walk hrough" it anyway? What Oswald obviously said was that he saw them walk through the area.
> > So you throw out the parts that don`t work for your idea. The room was specified.
> By Bookhout trying to summarize without personal knowledge of the layout of the area.

Or maybe he just put down what he heard. It is only your assumption that going through the room poses a problem for the account.

> > > They themselves stated they re-entered via the back loading dock - itself visible through the domino room window.
> > Is it really? And why would Oswald be standing at the window if he was eating his lunch?
> LOL. Why do you need to stand at a window to see out of it,, Budster?

Show that someone eating in the Domino Room would see out that window into the room (in fact, show the door had a window).

The floorplan...

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/58031/58031-h/images/i_p148.jpg

In fact it appears to me that the Domino room had a solid door, no glass.

See photos of the Domino Room starting at 7:51 to 9:15 in this youtube video...

https://youtu.be/n-KJXvKaX9A

Of course the door may have been left open all the time.

> > > But as we will see, Norman possibly did eat his lunch in the domoni room while Oswald was also there ding the same.
> > Actually if you check you will find that Norman and Junior went around back because the steps were crowded. Dougherty said he went to the lunchroom to eat his lunch because he couldn`t get out because the steps were crowded. Nobody was in the lunchroom with Dougherty ate his lunch there.
> Dougherty ate his lunch there earlier and went back to work. He was upstairs at 12:25 when this happened.

I haven`t seen it established they came in at 12:25.

> Mr. BALL - Wait a minute---did you go to lunch?
> Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I went back downstairs to eat lunch---yes, sir.
> Mr. BALL - What time?
> Mr. DOUGHERTY - Oh, it was 12 o'clock.
> > > Fritz and Kelley tried to quash Oswald's alibi by lying about it and claiming Oswald said he had lunch with both of them. Fritz simply asked Jarman if he had lunch with Oswald - he denied it - job done - the alibi made up by Fritz is now defeated.
> > >
> > > But Harold Norman testified that he ate lunch in the domino room and that someone else was in there at the time, but gosh darn, couldn't recall who it was.
> > >
> > > Mr. BALL. You got your lunch and did you eat your lunch?
> > > Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I ate my lunch.
> > > Mr. BALL. Where were you when you ate your lunch?
> > > Mr. NORMAN. In the domino room, as I recall.
> > > Mr. BALL. Who was with you at that time?
> > > Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the domino room, with me.
> > > Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there?
> > > Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning.
> > > Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning?
> > > Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys usually come in to play.
> > > Mr. BALL. You usually play dominoes during the noon hour?
> > > Mr. NORMAN. Noon hour and the break period.
> > > Mr. BALL. After you ate your lunch, what did you do?
> > > Mr. NORMAN. I got with James Jarman, he and I got together on the first floor.
> > >
> > > Do you think maybe any commission interested in the facts might have asked Jarman a coupla more questions about who was in there, given they knew Oswald claimed he ate there?
>
> > Everyone was asked when they saw Oswald.
> Yep. And they all knew they could not report seeing him after a certain time - unless it was on the 6th floor.

Again, you assume what you haven`t shown, that they weren`t just giving Oswald sightings honestly and to the best of their ability.

> > > I dunno, maybe they could have asked for example if the other person was a whitey, or a black fella? That mighta narrowed down the possibilities doncha think? It sure wasn't Jarman, acording to Norman himself.
> > >
> > > Maybe you'lll go with Oswald being psychic in being able to correctly name/identify the ONLY two employees to go out to watch the parade but RE-ENTER the building (at 12:25) PRIOR to the motorcade? The time is stamped by a police radio message they heard on the way back in.
> > Who heard it?
> Norman and Jarman.

Wrong.

"Mr. NORMAN. Well, we stayed there I believe until we got the news that the motorcade was coming down, let's see, is that Commerce, no Main, because Commerce- we went back in the building, James Jarman and I."

As far as I can find Jarman said nothing about a radio message.

> > > I have tested this numerous times with random people with no interest in the case, just asking if in the circumstances outlined, would they consider this a valid and verified alibi. The answer in every case is, "yes".
>
> > Probably the way you portrayed it.
> Probably not. It was portrayed in the same manner as it was put here,.

Which doesn`t stand against critical examination.

> >
> > It fails as an alibi many ways. If those guys could have gotten to the fifth then Oswald could have gotten to the sixth in time for the motorcade.
> Sure. He could have ran up, set up his sniper's and assembled the MC all in that 5 minutes. FFS - and all without being seen or heard by anyone.

Unknown exactly how it played out. We have snippits of information at uncertain times. The MC didn`t need to be assembled at the last minute, it could have been assembled and put back where the clipboard was found.

> > It fails because you have to knock the corners off the square peg to get it to fit in the round hole.
> In what way have I done that?

You changed the room specified. You ignore the repeated use of the word "possibly".

> It fails because Oswald could have seen them travel in places besides the domino room.
> Such as?

Anywhere in the building that has a view to any part of the route they took.

> > It fails because the source says he was uncertain that he saw them at all.
> His seeming uncertainty in saying "I Think there was someone else in there because..." is belied by the reason that follows " we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning." So he is saying he thinks there was siomeone else BECAUSE whoever it was DIDN'T PLAY dominoes.

There is nothing about playing dominos.

> In other words, he reemembers that there WAS someone, but whoever it was, was a non-domino player.

Huh?

> And that does narrow it down. Only the black guys played dominos, so right away, we know this was a white guy. We have already ruled out you first guess, Dougherrty. Why don't you give it another shot?

Do I have to play along with your assumptions?

> > > I'll go further and state that only someone with a bias against Oswald, or is irrevocably tied to pimping the government case, is going to even attempt to justify denying the validity of this alibi.
>
> > So says your confirmation bias. Perhaps only your desperation to concoct an alibi for Oswald makes you see this as such.
> I see your ignorance extends to the definition of "confirmation bias"

"Confirmation bias is our tendency to cherry-pick information that confirms our existing beliefs or ideas."

Do you see it as requiring your acceptance to be true? Do you contest that you have spent years trying to show Oswald`s innocence (I would say desperately so).

> > > Good luck! And please - do not veer into conspiracy theories or try and move the goal posts or use any other LN nonsense tactic.
>
> > Or that reasoning stuff, don`t do that.
> No - please do. I want one you assclowns to actually find any holes in the argument iof you can. Actual reasoning would also entail, admitting it if you can't.
>
> Actual reeasoning is not redefining various phrases to suit yourself, or making denials that you are too lazy to substantiate with examples or evidence.

See above. I`ve provided evidence and reasoning. I`m sure both will bounce right off you.

[Greg Parker]

We both know you hhave no proof of that.I know it because it is all in your head. How fucking dare you make that accusation without even attempting to justify it.

He has a website where he and his merry band of followers count the blades of grass in Dealey Plaza. For decades.

Less than two actually, so plural is wrong. but who cares about acuracy? Certainly not you.

Well, the equivalent of such an exercise. They stare and stare at photos, go over the statements by witnesses, and find all sort of conspiracy evidence in them.

So pretty much what every site does including this one,

> And weave these bizarre stories out of them.

We wach have our own opinio on what consitutes "bizarre".

To me, a bizarre story is one where Oswald leaves in the wrong direction to catch a bus heading back into ground zero, is described by the main bus witness as looking like a maniac, then gets off the bus and gets a cab. The cab driver describes him as wearing a tee shirt, under a buttoned shirt with several buttons open, over which he also wore two jackers. According toe the cabbie he has become expert at picking out drunks and he has Oswald pegged as one by his slow saunter to the cab and the fact that he seemed to be wearing a lot of clothers - typical of hobos sleeping outdoors to keep warm. He drops him 7 blocks from where he lives. Now all of a sudden, he is no longer sauntering but in a rush to run in and grab yet another jacket amd his pistiol which the nosey housekeeper somehow missed finding. He then rushes out, kills a cop and zig zags to the shopping artea where he looks scared as you peers inside a shoe shp then makes his way to the Texas Theatre where, despite having money, he duicks in without paying. In more bizarre twists, the ticket seller who by all reports can't recall if she sold him a ticket or not, phoes the cops at the urging of the shoe shop manager who by gumn, stands opposed to people looking in his shop window while cop cars ae flying by.

Nick McDonald approaches him where he sits and instead of shooting Oswald when he reaches for his weapon like any good Texan cop would do, by gum, Nick was gonna take his man alive even at the risk of his own life.

And don't get me started about how bizarre the second floor encounter is, encompassing as it does, the use of a civilian human shield by a cop, and 50, 000 amendments to the story prior the WC hearings.

Your official version of events is the in the Twilight Zone. What really happened is fucking sane and requires no x-ray vision, or two dozen costume changes and the most derranged story of escape ever concocted.

The conspiracists have conferences - we lone nutters have none - and meetings - we have none - and have written 700+ books on the assassination claiming all sorts of conspiracies.

I have nbo control over what others do. Most of them are bigger buffoons tghan even you and the LN gang here. You know the definition of desperate is continung to lay the blame of the idiocy of others on me.

> But we lone assassin believers have questions about the health of our minds?

And in all of that, you never attempted to explain your fascination for hanging out here?It certainly does not look healthy when you try so hard to disparage those with whom you disagree., while avoiding any real debate - the purpose of the place to begin with.

Your White Whale analogy is not an answer to anything accept as another insight into your own psyche.

But back to your accusaion. If you want to make this right, apologize and explain why you made the allegation in the first place without any evdiecne, let aone proof.

I may as well call you a government infiltrator if you want to go with no standards whatsoever.

[robert johnson]

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 4:00:18 PM UTC+1, David Von Pein wrote:
> Greg Parker has some very strange ideas concerning Lee Oswald and the assassination of JFK, many of which I've archived at my site (below). The "Oswald Never Rented A Room At 1026 Beckley" theory being one of Greg's most bizarre (and silly) beliefs, of course....
>
> http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/search?q=Greg+Parker

And yet you are a malignant bag of puss filled with disinfo and inane beliefs.

Try not saying
I believe
I think that
Presumably
Probably
Etc.

Just for one fucking day.

[robert johnson]

"almost a virtual certainty" typical lone nutter reasoning, no evidence just a fucked up belief based on nothing.
You and Von Pein should get a room

[Scrum Drum]

On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 9:38:48 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 1:30:02 AM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 7:51:27 AM UTC-4, John Corbett wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 11:31:11 PM UTC+10, Steven Galbraith wrote:

This forum is a free for all of gas-lighting by thread-hijacking...


JFK assassination then gets hijacked by the Serengeti of the uncredibly moderated internet where Greg gets favored despite his absolute bullshit claims...


Prayer Man has done serious damage to JFK research...Greg refuses to take responsibility and the research community refuses to force him...

[Ben Holmes]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 06:31:09 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
<stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> This is a conspiracy forum/newsgroup not a "Oswald was innocent"
> forum/group.

If you believe that, then DELETE this post.

Sad to say, your opinion is meaningless...

[Ben Holmes]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 18:32:20 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:


>Progress would indicate somebody had uncovered credible evidence or made a new
>compelling argument that somebody other than Oswald took part in this crime.

You mean like confessions from those involved? That sort of evidence?

Already referenced.

[Ben Holmes]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 17:41:14 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
<stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 4:01:00?PM UTC-4, robert johnson wrote:

>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 5:08:12?PM UTC+1, John Corbett wrote:
>> > You have to admit, these CT pissing contests are funny as hell to read.
>> Not nearly as funny as lone nutters who keep running away when evidence is thrown at them
>> Now THAT isn't just funny, it is hilarious.
>> Gluttons for punishment and they keep on coming back.
>
> Sorry, the evidence for what? That it was the CIA? Or the FBI? Or
> rich Texas oilmen? Or the Pentagon? Anti-Castro Cubans? The mob? Wall
> Street bankers? The Mossad? Birchers? What evidence are we running
> away from again?

Their own admissions. The evidence.

[Ben Holmes]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 05:53:36 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 6:50:50?AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:
>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 8:41:15?PM UTC-4, Steven Galbraith wrote:
>> > The idea that the US government - with all of its bureaucracy and layers (this is a federal government not a parliamentary one) and divisions - could do something like what you folks claim is utterly preposterous. And > the media - the same one that exposed the CIA's abuses and other crimes - covered it up too? Impossible. No, that's not argument from absurdity it's a fact.
>> Of course the US government would NEVER cover anything up.
>> And the media would NEVER support a government coverup.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G68i8-ZztcM
>>
>> The media didn't expose anything the CIA did. That was the Church Committee.
>>
>> How did the media support the coverup's lies over the years ?
>> Here's your answer professor:
>> https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/media-lies.mp4
>>
>> Sounds like you don't have a grasp on historical events.
>
>Of course those in power will lie and attempt to cover things up when it is in their interest to
>do so. What you are lacking is evidence that they did so in this case...

The stealing of the President's dead body from Texas, at gunpoint and
in violation of state law.

[Steven Galbraith]

Let's just go with the suposed Baker/Truly fiction. One at a time.
The idea that they would make a story up about finding/seeing Oswald on the *second* floor, near the lunch room, appearing calm and collected shortly after the assassination in order to frame him or implicate him makes zero sense on any level. Their account supports the idea that Oswald was having lunch, minding his own business. If they are reading from a conspiracy script and framing Oswald they say they saw him come *down* the steps, that he was out of breath, that he looked nervous.
They do not give an account that makes him look innocent.
Now, this is where you talk about the changing of the document, the Coke bottle, and this or that and ignore the substance of what they say happened. Your white whale here, your obsession, is the US criminal justice system, specifically the Dallas one in 1963. For you it was thoroughly corrupt, led by Nazi like people who would literally kill innocent people. And you look at the evidence against Oswald through that perspective. All of the evidence was planted or manufactured; the chain of custody was broke and the evidence can be dismissed and Lee Oswald was an American Alfred Dreyfus framed by the evil forces in America. You can't give this vision up, this whale must be killed.

[Jim Junot]

It took an amazing set of circumstances to come together that resulted in Lee Harvey Oswald being in the right place at the right time to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. Find out how all these events had to happen in my interview with Paul Brandus, author of "Countdown to Dallas: The Incredible Coincidences, Routines, and Blind "Luck" that Brought John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald Together on November 22, 1963" at https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lights-camera-author/episodes/Lights--Camera--Author---Paul-Brandus-e22rna5/a-a9nb2n6

[robert johnson]

Doyle has done serious damage to research with his lying and trolling.
Not the other way round.
Lying coward scum bag

[robert johnson]

You are pretty thick.
I suggest you study the case a bit more and hopefully for everyone you will start understanding things a bit more.
As right now you are as intelligent as a loaf of thick sliced bread.

[John Corbett]

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 11:55:46 AM UTC-4, Jim Junot wrote:
> It took an amazing set of circumstances to come together that resulted in Lee Harvey Oswald being in the right place at the right time to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. Find out how all these events had to happen in my interview with Paul Brandus, author of "Countdown to Dallas: The Incredible Coincidences, Routines, and Blind "Luck" that Brought John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald Together on November 22, 1963" at https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lights-camera-author/episodes/Lights--Camera--Author---Paul-Brandus-e22rna5/a-a9nb2n6

It is a remarkable set of chance circumstances that brought JFK into rifle range of Oswald's
workplace riding in an open top car. If any one of them hadn't happened, it's unlikely Oswald
would have been handed the opportunity that he was. A chance referral got Oswald his job
at the TSBD. If the White House had not agreed to making the Texas trip a two day event, there
wouldn't have been time for a motorcade. Had the Trademart not been selected as the site of
the luncheon, the motorcade would likely not have been routed onto Elm St. The motorcade
was always going to go through downtown Dallas on Main St. but had one of the other sites
been selected, it's likely it would have been in a west to east direction. Most likely it would
have gone west from Love Field to the Stemmons Freeway and headed south. It's hard to tell
from Google Earth but looks like it would have gotten off at Commerce St. and eventually
jogged over to Main St, possibly on Houston. That would have given Oswald a few difficult
long distance shot at JFK as the limo approached the Main/Houston intersection. Would he
have even attempted such a shot? Who knows.

It does seem that there were very long odds that JFK would have ended up within easy range
of Oswald's rifle. However, there's no telling how many psychopaths there were in this country
who would have done what Oswald did if given the chance. Whether it was dozens, hundreds,
or thousands, given JFK's fondness for slow moving motorcades in open top cars, it does not
seem remarkable at all that eventually he might cross paths with one. If not Oswald, it might
have been somebody else. Oswald was the one who won the assassin's lottery.

[Steven Galbraith]

Think of the luck for the conspirators, the three sniper teams, the people who planted the evidence, manufactured the material implicating Oswald, coercing the witnesses who went along. All of this was planned in advance - nobody said no to the idea or exposed it - carried out - nobody said no or exposed it - and covered it up - for more than half a century. They got lucky that multiple generations of Americans in government and in the media decided to go along with their crime. Or were so incompetent that they missed it.
Evidence planted, manufactured, faked - and no one exposed it or saw them planting it. Then all of it covered up and the people who looked into it were either willing to go along or were grossly negligent. Now *that's* winning the conspiracy lottery of the century.

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 1 May 2023 08:55:45 -0700 (PDT), Jim Junot
<jsju...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It took an amazing set of circumstances to come together that
> resulted in Lee Harvey Oswald being in the right place at the right
> time to assassinate President John F. Kennedy.

Begging the question...

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 1 May 2023 09:14:03 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 11:55:46?AM UTC-4, Jim Junot wrote:
>> It took an amazing set of circumstances to come together that resulted in Lee Harvey Oswald being in the right place at the right time to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. Find out how all these events had to happen in my interview with Paul Brandus, author of "Countdown to Dallas: The Incredible Coincidences, Routines, and Blind "Luck" that Brought John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald Together on November 22, 1963" at https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lights-camera-author/episodes/Lights--Camera--Author---Paul-Brandus-e22rna5/a-a9nb2n6
>
>It is a remarkable set of chance circumstances that brought JFK into rifle range of Oswald's
>workplace riding in an open top car.

Begging the question again...

This same "remarkable set of chance circumstances" almost killed him
several times before... in Chicago & Florida...

[Ben Holmes]

On Mon, 1 May 2023 12:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Steven Galbraith
<stevemg...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Think of the luck for the conspirators, the three sniper teams, the
> people who planted the evidence

What was planted???

You don't need to "plant" things, you merely need to fail to include
evidence.

> manufactured the material implicating Oswald,

What implicated him?

> coercing the witnesses who went along.

Eyewitness intimidation in this case is incontrovertable... and
unexplanable by believers...

> All of this was planned in advance - nobody said no to the idea or
> exposed it - carried out - nobody said no or exposed it - and covered
> it up - for more than half a century.

Your wacky theory that criminals confess isn't borne out by the
evidence.

> They got lucky that multiple generations of Americans in government
> and in the media decided to go along with their crime.

Sounds like a logical fallacy to me...

> Or were so incompetent that they missed it.

Who, other than the S.S., DPD, and FBI were involved in evidence
gathering???

> Evidence planted, manufactured, faked - and no one exposed it or saw
> them planting it. Then all of it covered up and the people who looked
> into it were either willing to go along or were grossly negligent. Now
> *that's* winning the conspiracy lottery of the century.

When the best you can do are logical fallacies and lies... you lose.

[Scrum Drum]

Yes...According to the on-topic of this thread Greg is a contrarian evidence troll who puts the full weight of his troll farm in to damaging the correct conspiracy evidence...If you trace where the denial of the Lunch Room Encounter came from it originated from the Prayer Man hackers knowing that the Lunch Room Encounter made Oswald being Prayer Man less likely because Prayer Man didn't have time to get back up to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room before Truly & Baker...Irresponsible researchers like Jim DiEugenio, and other researchers who use the JFK internet for social media who wanted to be part of the crowd, signed-on to this idiotic claim and it took off from there...It is now common to see "Now that the Lunch Room Encounter has been proven to be false" coming from this idiotic majority...When Richard Gilbride and I challenged Parker on this obviously nutty claim by mentioning that Mrs Garner and Bonnie Ray Williams saw Baker emerge on the 4th and 5th Floors in synch with the Lunch Room Encounter being real Parker claimed that Mrs Garner saw Lumpkin and Williams was lying...Only the problem with that is Linda Zambanini has Lumpkin on film getting to the Depository at 11:50 - far too late to be the cop Mrs Garner saw with Truly...Parker is lying and, like Kamp, he is trying to get away with pulling evidence out of his ass to make his crazy vandalistic theories work...It is incredible that the internet research community would be so stupid to not see an obvious fraud and evidence nut in Parker and actually take him seriously...The only people they show resentment towards are people who try to point this out...

Yes, the Lunch Room Encounter is real and the real reason for the wrinkles in the evidence for it is because Baker and the powers that be were trying to cover it up because they knew it exonerated Oswald...The internet research world is trying to get away with the non-reality of pretending my interview with Wanda and Rosa Daniel never happened and that Wanda never told me incredibly important new evidence of a witnessing of Oswald saying he intended to go in to that 2nd Floor Lunch Room where Carolyn Arnold would see him at 12:25...Jim DiEugenio is some kind of sacred cow whose sycophants are so deeply snuggled in his ass crack that they are afraid to ask him "Hey Jim?...What about Brian Doyle and his discovery of Oswald telling Sarah Stanton he intended to go back in to the 'Break Room'?..." The reason why Oswald was calm and not out of breath is because when he heard Adams & Styles clattering down the stairs he got up from his lunch and walked over to the Vestibule Door Window to watch the staircase...Truly & Baker saw Oswald's lunch on the table and that's why the evidence for the Lunch Room Encounter was fuzzy because they knew he was in there eating lunch during the assassination, as both Fritz and Hosty openly admitted...

[John Corbett]

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 9:04:43 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> On Mon, 1 May 2023 09:14:03 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
> <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 11:55:46?AM UTC-4, Jim Junot wrote:
> >> It took an amazing set of circumstances to come together that resulted in Lee Harvey Oswald being in the right place at the right time to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. Find out how all these events had to happen in my interview with Paul Brandus, author of "Countdown to Dallas: The Incredible Coincidences, Routines, and Blind "Luck" that Brought John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald Together on November 22, 1963" at https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lights-camera-author/episodes/Lights--Camera--Author---Paul-Brandus-e22rna5/a-a9nb2n6
> >
> >It is a remarkable set of chance circumstances that brought JFK into rifle range of Oswald's
> >workplace riding in an open top car.
> Begging the question again...
>

I wasn't responding to a question, asshole.

> This same "remarkable set of chance circumstances" almost killed him
> several times before... in Chicago & Florida...

According to your fantasy.

[Johnny]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...
>
> The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

And you damage the tip of my dick with your over bite. More gum boy. More gum.

[Scrum Drum]

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 10:55:31 AM UTC-4, Johnny wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:




>
> And you damage the tip of my dick with your over bite. More gum boy. More gum.

Thank you for showing Greg Parker's direct influence on Kennedy internet research...

[Willey Wonka]

Don't know who Greg Parker is. However in answer to your question about no one being able to answer for your claims. I'll tell you why. People don't want to dive into a steaming pile of suppositions, innuendo, faulty logic and downright tall tales put forth by you.

It's not that people can't, it's that people won't, and for that very reason.
I must say though, you have built yourself up one hell of a large strawman, so I give you that, but nothing else.

[Ben Holmes]

On Tue, 2 May 2023 07:10:14 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 9:04:43?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 May 2023 09:14:03 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
>> <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 11:55:46?AM UTC-4, Jim Junot wrote:
>>>> It took an amazing set of circumstances to come together that resulted in Lee Harvey Oswald being in the right place at the right time to assassinate President John F. Kennedy. Find out how all these events had to happen in my interview with Paul Brandus, author of "Countdown to Dallas: The Incredible Coincidences, Routines, and Blind "Luck" that Brought John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald Together on November 22, 1963" at https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lights-camera-author/episodes/Lights--Camera--Author---Paul-Brandus-e22rna5/a-a9nb2n6
>>>
>>>It is a remarkable set of chance circumstances that brought JFK into rifle range of Oswald's
>>>workplace riding in an open top car.
>>
>> Begging the question again...
>>
>I wasn't responding to a question, asshole.

Please don't respond when you don't understand... you merely show your
igorance. Educate yourself first, so you don't look stupid.
https://www.thoughtco.com/begging-the-question-petitio-principii-250337

>> This same "remarkable set of chance circumstances" almost killed him
>> several times before... in Chicago & Florida...
>
>According to your fantasy.

No, the evidence. Which you cannot refute.

[John Corbett]

I can't refute evidence you refuse to provide.

[Willey Wonka]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:

> My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...
>
> The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

Bump

[robert johnson]

If I look at Greg Parker's work over the years then he has produced a lot more excellent research than what you have done.
In a nutshell he wipes the floor with you, just like you are washing your car Doyle.

[Ben Holmes]

On Wed, 3 May 2023 09:52:16 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

Autopsy Report. Under the heading "Missile Wounds," the second
paragraph.

Refute it.

But you can't. You can't even admit what it is.

[John Corbett]

Why would I bother?

[Bud]

What is wrong with the first paragraph?

> Refute it.

What a stupid thing to say.

> But you can't. You can't even admit what it is.

Everything under Missile Wound #1 are the facts about the wound in the right side of Kennedy`s head, including it`s exact location using anatomical landmarks.

[Scrum Drum]

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 5:23:57 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:29:00 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 May 2023 09:52:16 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
> > <geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:41:20?AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 2 May 2023 07:10:14 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett

The on-topic of this thread is Greg Parker's damage to Kennedy research...


It seems to have been hijacked by the usual offenders...

[Ben Holmes]

On Fri, 5 May 2023 13:53:05 -0700 (PDT), John Corbett
<geowri...@gmail.com> wrote:

To prove yourself not to be a liar, of course.

You just made the implicit clam that you *COULD* refute evidence if
I'd only provide it.

Turns out you were lying.

The cowardice continues...

[Scrum Drum]

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 6:05:36 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 5:23:57 PM UTC-4, Bud wrote:
> > On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 9:29:00 AM UTC-4, Ben Holmes wrote:

Greg Parker's present exchange with the members of the Education Forum is a perfect example of Parker's damage to credible JFK research...

Greg is an attention-seeking nut whose purpose it is to permanently mire JFK research in thick bullshit and mangled revision of the evidence...

Greg has gotten the attention he seeks from the Education Forum so it is off to the races with his blowhard bullshit on his favorite topic - himself...This is what Parker offers the research world and the brits on the Education Forum are giving him the opportunity...

All Alex Wilson is is a disruption troll whose job it is to attack serious research that exposes Greg's bullshit...While the Education Forum sells itself as a serious place with serious rules it then turns around and makes Wilson's trolling pay off...And pay off at the expense of the most important research discovery of our time...All to the satisfaction of a non-entity like James Gordon...

You will notice how the Education Forum commenters have managed to excise my highly intelligent proof that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton from their discussions...That's not very honest because anyone who honestly evaluated Alex Wilson and his trolling would admit it was an attempt to dementedly filibuster my Prayer Man evidence that he was obviously using that trolling to avoid admitting...

This present research community is not a very honest bunch and for people who pretend to criticize the US government in their investigation of Kennedy's death they tend to obey the orders of censoring moderators a little too willingly...

I could tell Chris Barnard who I am and why my name is important but the coward James Gordon is preventing that because he already knows the answer...

The JFK research community has reduced the name of someone who discovered the most important evidence in 45 years to just a side issue to the glorification of one of the JFK internet's worst trolls...If this isn't a prime example of the damage Greg Parker does to JFK research I don't know what is...All I am waiting for now is for Jim DiEugenio and Gil Jesus to come in and give praise to Parker in order to make it complete...

[Quinten Sawyer]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> My posts on the Deep Politics Forum got no answer...Back in 2008 when I first joined the Deep Politics Forum it was an active website where posts would get healthy discussion...It started to go down hill when Fetzer lost it and started backing any and every crazy theory that came up...Cinque followed creating too much white noise vs signal...The Forum really suffered when Charles Drago decided that my posting on the merits of Michael Collins Piper's research gave him the right to accuse me of being multiple Intelligence posters posting under one handle for site destruction purposes...Magda told me Charles had created a 70 page case showing the proof that I was a fictitious Intel entity sent to spook DPF and asked for my banning (all based on his Zionist reluctance against Piper)...Global Warming Burnham joined Drago in this idiotic witch hunt...When the board refused Drago and Burnham quit in protest...It was quite clear that the real issue those two self-entitled egos were having was they weren't getting enough attention or having enough control and Piper was the excuse...Drago is no longer active - which shows how serious he was...The next event was my complaining that Jim DiEugenio was being allowed to break the DPF site rules by backing the bogus Prayer Man theory...I was correct on that and the rules were with me but the moderators decided to settle the issue by banning me...That was the start of the new discussion-free DPF...It has now become a "read-only" website with almost no responses to posts and no discussion of evidence...All because the egos who call themselves the main researchers couldn't handle disciplined discussion of evidence...They fucked it up and destroyed their own cause...One of the main causes of this is Greg Parker and the new breed of internet researcher he has bred...These bullshit posters like Greg Doudna and Roger Odisio take advantage of the favoring corrupted moderation that steers things in the favor of the long-winded bullshit Greg Parker-types and their bastardization of the evidence...They have also destroyed the over-moderated Education Forum that is now a worthless chat room with very little useful research being posted and discussed...The permanent members are a full array of nobody's that no one ever heard of that are just there to chew the cud social media style while recognizing nuts like Greg Parker...That UK vector has very effectively shut down and destroyed the quality discussion and research interest previously existing on the Kennedy internet...Jim DiEugenio and his need to dominate is also highly responsible for this and Jim doesn't seem to mind that even his posts get no responses on DPF...I think Jim actually prefers it...
>
> The Prayer Man theory and the irresponsible researchers who backed it are the main cause...It is their dishonest refusal to admit the correct evidence on Prayer Man, that installed the current anti-intellectual corruption on the JFK internet, that led to discussion being shut down...Those people would rather shut down the credible JFK internet than admit wrongness on Prayer Man...

Timid Brian Doyle on bottom and Richard Gilbride on top.

[Quinten Sawyer]

> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⣤⣤⣤⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠻⠿⠿⠿⠟⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⣶⣿⣿⣶⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣤⣶⣾⣿⣶⣶⣤⡀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠀⠘⢿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠇⠀⠀⠈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢺⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣷⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⠿⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠟⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣆⣤⣴⣶⣶⣶⣶⣾⣦⣙⣛⣋⣼⣿⣿⣶⣿⣿⣗⣻⣶⣦⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣗⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠈⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢿⣿⣿⣟⣿⡿⢇⠿⠾⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⢹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣾⣿⣿⣿⡿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⠀⣠⣴⣶⣶⣶⣶⣶⣶⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
> > > ⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⢰⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣺⣿⣿⣻⣧⣄⣀⣀⣀⢀⣀⣀⡀
> > > ⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
> > > ⠀⠀⠉⠉⠙⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠁⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠛⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠁

[Scrum Drum]

Parker in the standing position with Quentin enjoying the lower position as he satisfies Greg's crazy evidence urges...

The Education Forum is praising Greg's work while ignoring that he was the source of the crazy Prayer Man theory, Lumpkin as Baker theory, and many other insanities...Most of those people use the JFK internet for social media entertainment and not for serious research...They think Alex Wilson is funny instead of seeing him as the COINETLPRO-like disruption troll he is...

[Ben Holmes]

On Fri, 5 May 2023 14:23:55 -0700 (PDT), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

IT FRIGHTENS EVERY SINGLE BELIEVER IN THIS FORUM TO DEATH!

>> Refute it.
>
> What a stupid thing to say.

Tell Corbutt that, not me. He made the claim.

And indeed, it CANNOT be a "stupid thing to say," since you refute
evidence ALL THE TIME!

For example, the 30+ Dealey Plaza witnesses who pointed to the GK as
the source of some, or all of the shots.

>> But you can't. You can't even admit what it is.
>
> Everything under Missile Wound #1 are the facts about the wound in
> the right side of Kennedy`s head, including it`s exact location using
> anatomical landmarks.

You see folks! Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this statement, and flat
REFUSES to quote it.

That is all you need to know about Chickenshit.

[Brian Doyle]

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 10:22:04 AM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:


Greg Parker wrote:


" LOL, Trust me. Im a friend and supporter of con artists. "


Yes...Yes...


I have been saying it for years!...


ROKC...

[robert johnson]

I know for a fact that he was joking, you on the other hand are not.
That makes it even funnier than intended.