Here Is A Good Example Of How Dumb ROKC's Bart Kamp Is

[Scrum Drum]

Over on ROKC Bart Kamp has entered another one of his crowning stupidities called research...This is what Kamp does...He enters entirely ignorant "gotcha" posts where he thinks his cited reference is a slam dunk that disproves his opponent when all it really is is confirmation of Kamp's stupidity and inability to correctly interpret Kennedy Assassination evidence...In the attached link Kamp posts Malcolm Blunt's copy of the FBI file on Ralph Yates and thinks it is an end-all that finally proves Yates was crazy and therefore not legitimate...Because Kamp posts on Greg Parker's cult forum no one points-out to him that he is taking a hard core Lone Nutter stance against one of the worst victims of the assassination and therefore betraying his position as a so-called CT-er...You see Greg is such a blowhard and Kamp is so stupid that they don't register the violation their idiotic research commits, and therein is the danger of ROKC and its fractured members...

Kamp is so dumb that he doesn't fathom that he is quoting the people doing the cover-up when he directly quotes FBI in their attack on Ralph Yates...Parker is so cowardly and dishonest that he has banned anyone who is competent enough to call Kamp on this on the ROKC board...ROKC's members are pathetic weasels whose idiotic opinions can only gain the appearance of credibility by banning anyone who is smart enough to correctly take it to Kamp and his stupid reliance on the word of the offenders in the form of his unquestioning quotation of FBI...Kamp's post is answered with one-liner back slaps all praising his claim and in the process missing its dangerous flaws...

Kamp is too dumb and too incompetent a researcher to realize that the words used in the FBI report he posts actually prove my point and work against his and Parker's interpretation...If you read the FBI report on Ralph Yates Kamp posted it says he "Showed no emotional response" to the questions FBI asked him...Kamp is too dumb to realize that a lie detector registers lies as having a detectable emotional response that is detected by the sensors and registered as a wavy line on the paper chart...A person who isn't lying shows "no emotional response" and therefore shows a smooth, unwavy line on the paper read-out...

Because Kamp is a dog-shit stupid researcher and Greg Parker Wizard Of Oz Winged Monkey ROKC site member he fails to register that what FBI was saying there in the report he posted was that Yates passed the lie detector test that asked him if he picked-up an Oswald look-alike...When FBI uses the squirrely wording "showed no emotional response" they are indirectly saying he showed he wasn't lying...FBI is using dishonest wording there because they are trying to make a man who passed his lie detector test on something very dangerous look like he is crazy...Being a Parker cult member Kamp does what is regularly done on Parker's troll farm and comes in against the victim using the direct quotes of the conspirators and operates ass-backwards according to Conspiracy research without even detecting the serious violation...Talk about dumb...

Like Parker Kamp just flat-out ignores that FBI told Yates they were committing him to a mental hospital because he had passed his lie detector test with flying colors...Kamp conveniently left that out of his post...FBI used the logic that since Oswald was at work when Yates witnessed his Oswald hitch-hiking and asking if Kennedy could be shot from a high building, that therefore Yates was insane because the test showed he actually believed it...Yates had witnessed something dangerous so the FBI needed to get him off the streets and away from any interviewers...That is the context of what is seen in the FBI report Kamp posts...Kamp of course is so stupid that he suggests it shows Yates was crazy and therefore his story wasn't credible...The correct interpretation shows the opposite and backs Yates and his witnessing of an Oswald double trying to frame Harvey...

Jim DiEugenio gives credit and praise to ROKC, Kamp, and Parker...He comes in on the side dubious pro Lone Nut researchers like Kamp and Parker and their dubious work like what Kamp is offering here just like he did against Pitzer and Janney etc...Jim and Kamp are protected from criticism of offerings like this by favoring moderators who label their critics as "attackers" offering intolerable input and using that false accusation to ignore their credible refutation of idiotic claims like this one...Those crony moderators then ban those correct critics:



https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rt6pNiDzFNsF9qqcmiahUM1nR7ln5vv1/view

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

I think it would be better if you talked more about Ralph Yates than your old playmates. Of course, this crowd here is no better, but then you can insult your current playmates, which is a slight improvement.

Did the FBI really commit Yates? My impression was that the initial move was voluntary, but I don't know.

[Scrum Drum]

On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:24:07 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:43:01 PM UTC, Scrum Drum wrote:



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> Did the FBI really commit Yates? My impression was that the initial move was voluntary, but I don't know.

This lying creep Kamp knows that FBI told Yates they were committing him because the lie detector test showed he passed with flying colors...FBI told Yates that since Oswald was at work and the test showed he actually believed he saw Oswald in his truck that therefore he was provably crazy and needed to be committed...Never once did FBI consider that maybe the test proved that Yates was telling the truth and that he actually did see an Oswald double trying to frame Oswald for the assassination...Just like FBI, Kamp never considers this either while pretending to be a credible Conspiracy researcher...Kamp omits the part about FBI telling Yates the fact he passed the test with flying colors was why they were committing him...Kamp omits that because he knows it disproves the Parker-based bullshit he is trying to pass across...

[Hank Sienzant]

On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> Over on ROKC Bart Kamp has entered another one of his crowning stupidities called research...This is what Kamp does...He enters entirely ignorant "gotcha" posts where he thinks his cited reference is a slam dunk that disproves his opponent when all it really is is confirmation of Kamp's stupidity and inability to correctly interpret Kennedy Assassination evidence...

Ah, so it all depends not on some cited expert’s opinion of what the evidence means as testified to means when correctly interpreted. It really depends on what your non-expert opinion of the evidence meanings, as contrasted to that of the “stupid” Bart Kamp’s non-expert opinion of what the evidence indicates.

> In the attached link Kamp posts Malcolm Blunt's copy of the FBI file on Ralph Yates and thinks it is an end-all that finally proves Yates was crazy and therefore not legitimate...Because Kamp posts on Greg Parker's cult forum no one points-out to him that he is taking a hard core Lone Nutter stance against one of the worst victims of the assassination and therefore betraying his position as a so-called CT-er...You see Greg is such a blowhard and Kamp is so stupid that they don't register the violation their idiotic research commits, and therein is the danger of ROKC and its fractured members...

Thanks for explaining why everyone who disagrees with is wrong. You made that so clear by citing the evidence, no one could possibly dispute that.

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> Kamp is so dumb that he doesn't fathom that he is quoting the people doing the cover-up when he directly quotes FBI in their attack on Ralph Yates...Parker is so cowardly and dishonest that he has banned anyone who is competent enough to call Kamp on this on the ROKC board...ROKC's members are pathetic weasels whose idiotic opinions can only gain the appearance of credibility by banning anyone who is smart enough to correctly take it to Kamp and his stupid reliance on the word of the offenders in the form of his unquestioning quotation of FBI...Kamp's post is answered with one-liner back slaps all praising his claim and in the process missing its dangerous flaws...

All of this does is reference Kamp and calls him names. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

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> Kamp is too dumb and too incompetent a researcher to realize that the words used in the FBI report he posts actually prove my point and work against his and Parker's interpretation...If you read the FBI report on Ralph Yates Kamp posted it says he "Showed no emotional response" to the questions FBI asked him...Kamp is too dumb to realize that a lie detector registers lies as having a detectable emotional response that is detected by the sensors and registered as a wavy line on the paper chart...A person who isn't lying shows "no emotional response" and therefore shows a smooth, unwavy line on the paper read-out...
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> Because Kamp is a dog-shit stupid researcher and Greg Parker Wizard Of Oz Winged Monkey ROKC site member he fails to register that what FBI was saying there in the report he posted was that Yates passed the lie detector test that asked him if he picked-up an Oswald look-alike...When FBI uses the squirrely wording "showed no emotional response" they are indirectly saying he showed he wasn't lying...FBI is using dishonest wording there because they are trying to make a man who passed his lie detector test on something very dangerous look like he is crazy...Being a Parker cult member Kamp does what is regularly done on Parker's troll farm and comes in against the victim using the direct quotes of the conspirators and operates ass-backwards according to Conspiracy research without even detecting the serious violation...Talk about dumb...
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> Like Parker Kamp just flat-out ignores that FBI told Yates they were committing him to a mental hospital because he had passed his lie detector test with flying colors...Kamp conveniently left that out of his post...FBI used the logic that since Oswald was at work when Yates witnessed his Oswald hitch-hiking and asking if Kennedy could be shot from a high building, that therefore Yates was insane because the test showed he actually believed it...Yates had witnessed something dangerous so the FBI needed to get him off the streets and away from any interviewers...That is the context of what is seen in the FBI report Kamp posts...Kamp of course is so stupid that he suggests it shows Yates was crazy and therefore his story wasn't credible...The correct interpretation shows the opposite and backs Yates and his witnessing of an Oswald double trying to frame Harvey...

And you know your interpretation is the right one because?

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> Jim DiEugenio gives credit and praise to ROKC, Kamp, and Parker...He comes in on the side dubious pro Lone Nut researchers like Kamp and Parker and their dubious work like what Kamp is offering here just like he did against Pitzer and Janney etc...Jim and Kamp are protected from criticism of offerings like this by favoring moderators who label their critics as "attackers" offering intolerable input and using that false accusation to ignore their credible refutation of idiotic claims like this one...

My irony meter just broke.

> Those crony moderators then ban those correct critics:

Correct because?

They are you?


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> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rt6pNiDzFNsF9qqcmiahUM1nR7ln5vv1/view

[Scrum Drum]

On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 12:40:53 PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:



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> > Like Parker Kamp just flat-out ignores that FBI told Yates they were committing him to a mental hospital because he had passed his lie detector test with flying colors...Kamp conveniently left that out of his post...FBI used the logic that since Oswald was at work when Yates witnessed his Oswald hitch-hiking and asking if Kennedy could be shot from a high building, that therefore Yates was insane because the test showed he actually believed it...Yates had witnessed something dangerous so the FBI needed to get him off the streets and away from any interviewers...That is the context of what is seen in the FBI report Kamp posts...Kamp of course is so stupid that he suggests it shows Yates was crazy and therefore his story wasn't credible...The correct interpretation shows the opposite and backs Yates and his witnessing of an Oswald double trying to frame Harvey...



> And you know your interpretation is the right one because?
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Because it fits the evidence you are ignoring and trolling...It figures a Lone Nutter like yourself would defend Kamp and Parker...I guess you instinctively defend people who argue a Lone Nutter position like Kamp and Greg...You failed to answer the point that it is incredibly dumb for Kamp to miss the point that "No emotional response" is a euphemism for "No indication of lying" and that FBI avoided using wording that would evidence the fact Yates passed his lie detector test and therefore proved he was telling the truth about seeing an Oswald look-alike...The bottom line is Kamp fails to answer for his deliberate misinterpretation of the evidence or quoting FBI's smearing of Yates that was used to deny his witnessing...In effect Kamp takes the side of, and uses the exact same dishonest methods as, FBI in their criminal denial of Yates and his witnessing and therefore betrays good CT research in order to paint a wrong picture of Yates...Make no mistake - FBI used the wording "No emotional response" because they were trying to make it look like Yates' craziness was responsible for his passing the test...Kamp dishonestly omits that FBI told Yates directly that he passed his lie detector test with flying colors and it therefore proved he was insane because Oswald was at work...Gordon then helps DiEugenio avoid honestly answering why he then gives approval to this bogus researcher Kamp...

Parker knew Yates had passed his lie detector test and witnessed something real so he went to his usual bag of tricks and claimed Larry Crafard was a one-size-fits-all stand-in that could be used as an excuse any time the evidence showed there was a second Oswald...Parker claimed Yates passed his lie detector test because the person pretending to be Oswald was Crafard, but Scheim pointed-out that Crafard was missing his front teeth at the time and it would have been unlikely that Yates would have missed that...It is obvious to any intelligent person with common sense that Parker was only claiming Yates saw Crafard because he knew Yates' witnessing was real and he needed an excuse fast...And the Education Forum is OK with that even though it is obviously just crazy Greg pulling that out of his ass...I'm sure if research was done back then you would find that Crafard was provably somewhere else when Greg has him doing all this stand-in work for Lee impersonating Harvey...

By the time all this trolling is finished Kamp, Parker, and the trolls all fail to answer how Larry Crafard got away with walking a rifle wrapped in brown paper up to the Depository, where Yates last saw him headed, with his missing teeth and explaining why a person with no relation to the Depository was bringing a rifle there?...Again, lying Greg knows he's in trouble with this so he turns up the lying and says Crafard went to the Carousel Club after Yates dropped him off...But Greg ignores that Yates passed a lie detector test where he described Oswald walking towards the front entrance of the Book Depository with that brown paper package after he dropped him off...And when you press Greg on that he refuses to answer because Greg thinks the whole world is ROKC and he can just ignore whomever he likes...Especially when he can't answer for his easily swiss-cheesed bullshit...

> > Jim DiEugenio gives credit and praise to ROKC, Kamp, and Parker...He comes in on the side dubious pro Lone Nut researchers like Kamp and Parker and their dubious work like what Kamp is offering here just like he did against Pitzer and Janney etc...Jim and Kamp are protected from criticism of offerings like this by favoring moderators who label their critics as "attackers" offering intolerable input and using that false accusation to ignore their credible refutation of idiotic claims like this one...




> My irony meter just broke.

You're trolling Hank...You've publicly failed to answer all the main points I made - which is a sign of their veracity...


FBI murdered a witness to the second Oswald by means of Gestapo/KGB-like mental commitment because his witnessing was highly dangerous to their cover-up...This idiot Kamp then comes in on the side of the FBI against one of the most important witnesses for the conspiracy and dummies like Jim D give approval and nutrition to some of the craziest, most damaging Fetzer-like trolls on the Kennedy internet...

[Hank Sienzant]

On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 1:32:22 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 12:40:53 PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
> > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
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> > > Like Parker Kamp just flat-out ignores that FBI told Yates they were committing him to a mental hospital because he had passed his lie detector test with flying colors...Kamp conveniently left that out of his post...FBI used the logic that since Oswald was at work when Yates witnessed his Oswald hitch-hiking and asking if Kennedy could be shot from a high building, that therefore Yates was insane because the test showed he actually believed it...Yates had witnessed something dangerous so the FBI needed to get him off the streets and away from any interviewers...That is the context of what is seen in the FBI report Kamp posts...Kamp of course is so stupid that he suggests it shows Yates was crazy and therefore his story wasn't credible...The correct interpretation shows the opposite and backs Yates and his witnessing of an Oswald double trying to frame Harvey...
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> Because it fits the evidence you are ignoring and trolling...It figures a Lone Nutter like yourself would defend Kamp and Parker...

You must have me confused with two other people. I defended neither. I merely asked you a question.

> I guess you instinctively defend people who argue a Lone Nutter position like Kamp and Greg...You failed to answer the point that it is incredibly dumb for Kamp to miss the point that "No emotional response" is a euphemism for "No indication of lying"

According to whom? You do understand that there’s a reason lie detector tests are not admissible in court, right?

> and that FBI avoided using wording that would evidence the fact Yates passed his lie detector test and therefore proved he was telling the truth about seeing an Oswald look-alike...

If we credit the lie detector test - which its inadmissibility tells us not to - it only tells what Yates believed to be true, not what is true. Yates could have picked up someone else and after the assassination believed it to be Oswald. That doesn’t make it Oswald, anymore than the sighting of Brian Laundrie or of Elvis after their respective deaths makes those sightings true.

> The bottom line is Kamp fails to answer for his deliberate misinterpretation of the evidence or quoting FBI's smearing of Yates that was used to deny his witnessing...In effect Kamp takes the side of, and uses the exact same dishonest methods as, FBI in their criminal denial of Yates and his witnessing and therefore betrays good CT research in order to paint a wrong picture of Yates...Make no mistake - FBI used the wording "No emotional response" because they were trying to make it look like Yates' craziness was responsible for his passing the test...Kamp dishonestly omits that FBI told Yates directly that he passed his lie detector test with flying colors and it therefore proved he was insane because Oswald was at work...

According to whom did this transpire this way?

> Gordon then helps DiEugenio avoid honestly answering why he then gives approval to this bogus researcher Kamp...
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> Parker knew Yates had passed his lie detector test and witnessed something real so he went to his usual bag of tricks and claimed Larry Crafard was a one-size-fits-all stand-in that could be used as an excuse any time the evidence showed there was a second Oswald...

Whatever happened to the simple possibility of mistaken identity?

How do you narrow it down to Crafard o4 Oswald as the only possibilities?

> Parker claimed Yates passed his lie detector test because the person pretending to be Oswald was Crafard, but Scheim pointed-out that Crafard was missing his front teeth at the time and it would have been unlikely that Yates would have missed that...It is obvious to any intelligent person with common sense that Parker was only claiming Yates saw Crafard because he knew Yates' witnessing was real and he needed an excuse fast...And the Education Forum is OK with that even though it is obviously just crazy Greg pulling that out of his ass...I'm sure if research was done back then you would find that Crafard was provably somewhere else when Greg has him doing all this stand-in work for Lee impersonating Harvey...

The only possibilities are not Crafard or Oswald.

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> By the time all this trolling is finished Kamp, Parker, and the trolls all fail to answer how Larry Crafard got away with walking a rifle wrapped in brown paper up to the Depository, where Yates last saw him headed, with his missing teeth and explaining why a person with no relation to the Depository was bringing a rifle there?...

Is all this confirmed, and if so, how? What other people confirm anyone was seen with a long package that morning?

>Again, lying Greg knows he's in trouble with this so he turns up the lying and says Crafard went to the Carousel Club after Yates dropped him off...But Greg ignores that Yates passed a lie detector test where he described Oswald walking towards the front entrance of the Book Depository with that brown paper package after he dropped him off...

Sigh. Again, a lie detector result is not admissible and even if it was, it does not determine what happened. It can at best only determine what is believed to have happened.

> And when you press Greg on that he refuses to answer because Greg thinks the whole world is ROKC and he can just ignore whomever he likes...Especially when he can't answer for his easily swiss-cheesed bullshit...
> > > Jim DiEugenio gives credit and praise to ROKC, Kamp, and Parker...He comes in on the side dubious pro Lone Nut researchers like Kamp and Parker and their dubious work like what Kamp is offering here just like he did against Pitzer and Janney etc...Jim and Kamp are protected from criticism of offerings like this by favoring moderators who label their critics as "attackers" offering intolerable input and using that false accusation to ignore their credible refutation of idiotic claims like this one...
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> You're trolling Hank...You've publicly failed to answer all the main points I made - which is a sign of their veracity...

Sigh. That’s the logical fallacy of attempting to shift the burden of proof. I have no burden to disprove your contentions. I did question your assertions, you have provided no reasons to accept them - just more repetition of the claims.

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Not everyone saying they saw Elvis or Brian Laundrie actually saw either. Most in fact did not. The same with Oswald. You appear to believe these kinds of sightings are somehow sacrosanct and above reproach, and take it a step further and believe these sightings are evidence of an Oswald double. That would imply an Elvis double and a Brian Laundrie double as well.

> by means of Gestapo/KGB-like mental commitment because his witnessing was highly dangerous to their cover-up...

Begged.

> This idiot Kamp then comes in on the side of the FBI against one of the most important witnesses for the conspiracy >

Begged.

> and dummies like Jim D give approval and nutrition to some of the craziest, most damaging Fetzer-like trolls on the Kennedy internet...

I think you might be overlooking one crazy troll, but that’s just my opinion.

I am fully expecting you to call me a liar and an idiot and a troll. Don’t disappoint by actually addressing any of my points. That would too un-CT-like.

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

That's right, Scrum Drum. How do you narrow it down to Crafard and Oswald? It could have been anybody picked up by Yates in Oak Cliff and dropped off at the TSBD who was talking about shooting the president from a building and the overpass and who had a package of "curtain rods" big enough to be a rifle and a Backyard Photo to boot. Anybody at all. It might have been Kate Smith or Sarah Stanton. What makes you think it had anything to do with Oswald?

[Scrum Drum]

On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 4:32:28 PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 1:32:22 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:





> According to whom did this transpire this way?

> Whatever happened to the simple possibility of mistaken identity?
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> How do you narrow it down to Crafard o4 Oswald as the only possibilities?

The Yates thread was a while ago on several sites...The statement that FBI told Yates he passed the lie detector test with flying colors and that was why they were committing him came from Yates' wife...An independent primary source...


It can't be mistaken identity because the person who was asking Yates the awkward questions about shooting Kennedy had the brown paper package with the rifle, backyard photos, topic of shooting JFK from a high building, and was last seen walking towards the Book Depository...These things put the person in question past any possibility that he was anyone other than an Oswald framer...You are ignoring the fact that Yates saw the news coverage of Oswald and said that was the man whom he picked-up hitch-hiking...Yates passed a lie detector test confirming this...

[Scrum Drum]

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 2:04:37 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 4:32:28 PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 1:32:22 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
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Kamp wrote on ROKC:


" That thread [*The current Education Forum thread on Prayer Man], just like Bill Kelley's Oswald Leaving TSBD, is being turned into a complete speculative circus with just going on about "maybe", "I think" and "I believes....." do any of the computer chair dimwits actually achieve anything with just going on about their make believe theories....one Doyle is enough.

Get your finger out!!! "



Speaking of "Make-believe theories"...

Kamp is a coward because he trashes me on ROKC but he's not man enough to come over here and debate me because the stupid fool knows he'll lose...Kamp is an obvious degenerate punk who is over his skill level in Technical analysis...He's a creep who, like Murphy and Parker, spins, distorts, and omits evidence in order to make his bogus Prayer Man theory work...He wouldn't last ten seconds in any fair debate where he couldn't reach for the censorship button like he instructs people to do in the post above...However Kamp is right about Gordon's website and the Prayer Man thread being a joke...Because Gordon bans anyone who disproves his website's pet theory, just like Kamp and Parker do on ROKC, the one guy who can prove Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton is removed so mental mastrubators can perpetuate hack research forever and try to force Stanton to be Oswald...This is political research not scientific and it is overseen by a dirty British bombastic horse's ass named Gordon...DiEugenio does his specialty and stays out and remains quiet - even though he admitted to me on Facebook that he realized Prayer Man was too fat to be Oswald...These dishonest individuals have destroyed the credibility of JFK research on the internet...

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

But I am very much enjoying the Malcolm Blunt archive which Kamp is posting, so I'll give him a pass.

[Scrum Drum]

On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:22:19 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 5:31:37 PM UTC, Scrum Drum wrote:




> But I am very much enjoying the Malcolm Blunt archive which Kamp is posting, so I'll give him a pass.

The Malcom Blunt Archive has nothing to do with Prayer Man...


You're just making my point for me that the hypocritical research community pretends and demands rigor when it comes to those who criticize them but then turns around and enforces a friendship network when it comes to themselves...

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

You're welcome!

[Scrum Drum]

On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:22:19 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 5:31:37 PM UTC, Scrum Drum wrote:
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" do any of the computer chair dimwits actually achieve anything with just going on about their make believe theories....one Doyle is enough. "

Nothing I posted is make-believe...Kamp is a coward because he makes outright claims and challenges on his censorship-protected website but doesn't come here like a man to show exactly where anything I posted was "make believe"...


And keep in mind, as far as the make-believe department, Kamp is the one who invented an imaginary Stanton 3 steps down and tried to pass it off as the real one...All OK with the Prayer Man knuckleheads...

[Greg Parker]

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 6:38:46 AM UTC+11, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 2:22:19 PM UTC-5, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 5:31:37 PM UTC, Scrum Drum wrote:
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> " do any of the computer chair dimwits actually achieve anything with just going on about their make believe theories....one Doyle is enough. "

> Nothing I posted is make-believe...Kamp is a coward because he makes outright claims and challenges on his censorship-protected website but doesn't come here like a man to show exactly where anything I posted was "make believe"...

Everything you post is make-believe. In fact, you may be make-believe. I have never for example, seen you in the same room as Mr. Ed.

> And keep in mind, as far as the make-believe department, Kamp is the one who invented an imaginary Stanton 3 steps down and tried to pass it off as the real one...All OK with the Prayer Man knuckleheads...

Oh Brian. You would not want to be ridden by Sarah. You would become an instant swayback. Get over her. She's gone! There are plenty more hippos on the sea.

[Scrum Drum]

Who is this?...The coward Parker?...


In any case this is trolling and if there were credible moderation on this board you wouldn't be allowed to do it...You would be warned and if you did it again instead of offering a serious answer you would have site action taken against you...


In any case these ROKC creeps challenge my claims on their website where they are safe from any reply but they never back up their stuff by showing any specific intelligent examples of where my Prayer Man claims are wrong...


If this is Parker, well you can see he is not a serious researcher and offers trolling in the face of a direct challenge to show where any of my Prayer Man evidence is "make believe"...He can't do it and neither can Kamp...


The ROKC research-disrupters say " Everything you post is make-believe. " but when it is time to back that up real time on the playing field that counts they offer obnoxious trolling...


If this is Parker, he cut and ran when it came time for him to account for his ridiculous lie that Miss Garner was talking about Lumpkin...There is no way Miss Garner was talking about Lumpkin because Lumpkin did not return from Parkland until at least 15-20 minutes after the shots...Parker is trying to get away with ignoring that by the time Martha Stroud wrote her letter Miss Garner and everyone involved knew Truly was said to be going up the stairs with Baker after stopping Oswald in the Lunch Room...Parker is dishonest because he is well aware that when Martha Stroud wrote Truly and "THE" police man that the "The" was specifically referencing Baker because linguistic forensics show a person would use "a" police man if his identity were unknown...But moreso because the Baker stopping Oswald in the Lunch Room story was well known by then, which is why Martha Stroud said "The" instead of "A"...Greg thinks he's getting away with ignoring this and playing dumb, but any idiot would see that was what Stroud was saying and it definitely makes the "police man" Baker...The ROKC nuts are crazy hackers who think people don't see them trying to screw-up the evidence...Greg ran because he was trying to avoid having to answer that Bonnie Ray Williams ran down to the 4th floor windows immediately after he saw the cop's helmet above the boxes...So if the police man Martha Stroud was referring to was Lumpkin then the first person Miss Garner would have seen was Bonnie Ray Williams because Lumpkin came WAY after Bonnie Ray ran down to the 4th floor...Greg couldn't answer his feeble-minded bullshit being blown out of the water by this so he did his usual coward's cut and run and went back to his nut farm of a forum where no skilled researchers would ever make him answer this and he could hide behind his cowardly banning...

[Greg Parker]

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 3:51:18 PM UTC+11, Scrum Drum wrote:

> > Oh Brian. You would not want to be ridden by Sarah. You would become an instant swayback. Get over her. She's gone! There are plenty more hippos on the sea.

> Who is this?...The coward Parker?...

I am "a" Greg Parker, but not "the" Greg Parker, who I have to say is just fuckin awesome.

I note that you never denied being Mr. Ed.

> In any case this is trolling and if there were credible moderation on this board you wouldn't be allowed to do it...You would be warned and if you did it again instead of offering a serious answer you would have site action taken against you...

Wow, you're right into dictatorial control. Why is that? Were you a hall monitor at equestrian school?

> In any case these ROKC creeps challenge my claims on their website where they are safe from any reply but they never back up their stuff by showing any specific intelligent examples of where my Prayer Man claims are wrong...

Parker has never challenged your claims. He thinks it would ruin your comic timing.

> If this is Parker, well you can see he is not a serious researcher and offers trolling in the face of a direct challenge to show where any of my Prayer Man evidence is "make believe"...He can't do it and neither can Kamp...

That's right. Everyone should jump on the Stanton bandwagon - an Aprils fool joke from a deranged Scotsman (okay, so that's probably an oxymoron, but then again, I'm talking to a horse of course, yakety yak)

> The ROKC research-disrupters say " Everything you post is make-believe. " but when it is time to back that up real time on the playing field that counts they offer obnoxious trolling...

You live in La-La -Land so everything really is make believe. That is why you can be Brian, your dad, your long-suffering mom, Mr Ed. Ed Gein, a Black Elvis, or Ralph Yates separately or all at once.

I envy you, Mr. Ed. I really do. Not a care in the world, beaches and rainbows at your door, road trips to make any time you want, pony tails, my little ponies, and who knows what in the trunk and in the basement.

> If this is Parker, he cut

Now now. Parker says he wanted to reply to you and others but his settings defaulted to the phone version and apparently you can read only in the phone version. Took the Great Detective a while to work it out. The boy's a bit slow when it comes to anything not Kennedy related, is my opinion.

> and ran when it came time for him to account for his ridiculous lie that Miss Garner was talking about Lumpkin...There is no way Miss Garner was talking about Lumpkin because Lumpkin did not return from Parkland until at least 15-20 minutes after the shots...Parker is trying to get away with ignoring that by the time Martha Stroud wrote her letter Miss Garner and everyone involved knew Truly was said to be going up the stairs with Baker after stopping Oswald in the Lunch Room...Parker is dishonest because he is well aware that when Martha Stroud wrote Truly and "THE" police man that the "The" was specifically referencing Baker because linguistic forensics show a person would use "a" police man if his identity were unknown...But moreso because the Baker stopping Oswald in the Lunch Room story was well known by then, which is why Martha Stroud said "The" instead of "A"...Greg thinks he's getting away with ignoring this and playing dumb, but any idiot would see that was what Stroud was saying and it definitely makes the "police man" Baker...The ROKC nuts are crazy hackers who think people don't see them trying to screw-up the evidence...Greg ran because he was trying to avoid having to answer that Bonnie Ray Williams ran down to the 4th floor windows immediately after he saw the cop's helmet above the boxes...So if the police man Martha Stroud was referring to was Lumpkin then the first person Miss Garner would have seen was Bonnie Ray Williams because Lumpkin came WAY after Bonnie Ray ran down to the 4th floor...Greg couldn't answer his feeble-minded bullshit being blown out of the water by this so he did his usual coward's cut and run and went back to his nut farm of a forum where no skilled researchers would ever make him answer this and he could hide behind his cowardly banning...

"But moreso because the Baker stopping Oswald in the Lunch Room story was well known by then, which is why Martha Stroud said "The" instead of "A".

Well, Parker may not be here to give you an answer, but I'll give it a shot. If it was so well known that Baker went up with Truly then you would think she would say she saw Officer Baker and Mr. Truly... but she didn't

If Truly made the trip twice with two different cops, WHICH ACCORDING TO YOU, HE DID, she would have said she saw Mr. Truly come up twice

All "the" implies is that she saw Truly go up with an officer only once. Lumkin confirmed he went up with Truly. Lumkin was far more credible than Baker, who was so dumb he mistook a landing for a lunchroom , the 2nd floor for the 3rd or 4th and could not even give an accurate description of Oswald with Oswald sitting in the same small room.

The only witness you have of Baker being up there is a helmet witness. By the time Williams could have seen that, the place was swarming with cops.

It was Lumkin. Baker was over harassing an employee in the Dal-Tex.|

[Scrum Drum]

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 9:36:46 AM UTC-5, gregr...@outlook.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 3:51:18 PM UTC+11, Scrum Drum wrote:



>
> I envy you, Mr. Ed. I really do. Not a care in the world, beaches and rainbows at your door, road trips to make any time you want, pony tails, my little ponies, and who knows what in the trunk and in the basement.
> > If this is Parker, he cut
> Now now. Parker says he wanted to reply to you and others but his settings defaulted to the phone version and apparently you can read only in the phone version. Took the Great Detective a while to work it out. The boy's a bit slow when it comes to anything not Kennedy related, is my opinion.

Funny how, as a non-Parker, you mis-spell "Lumkin" exactly like Parker does...In any case we can assume that posts that originate from the Parker troll farm corner of the research world are inherently trolling and obnoxious based on the simple fact that anyone who has an e-mail address of "Greg R Parker" who claims not to be Parker is an automatic troll...

> > and ran when it came time for him to account for his ridiculous lie that Miss Garner was talking about Lumpkin...There is no way Miss Garner was talking about Lumpkin because Lumpkin did not return from Parkland until at least 15-20 minutes after the shots...Parker is trying to get away with ignoring that by the time Martha Stroud wrote her letter Miss Garner and everyone involved knew Truly was said to be going up the stairs with Baker after stopping Oswald in the Lunch Room...Parker is dishonest because he is well aware that when Martha Stroud wrote Truly and "THE" police man that the "The" was specifically referencing Baker because linguistic forensics show a person would use "a" police man if his identity were unknown...But moreso because the Baker stopping Oswald in the Lunch Room story was well known by then, which is why Martha Stroud said "The" instead of "A"...Greg thinks he's getting away with ignoring this and playing dumb, but any idiot would see that was what Stroud was saying and it definitely makes "the police man" Baker...The ROKC nuts are crazy hackers who think people don't see them trying to screw-up the evidence...Greg ran because he was trying to avoid having to answer that Bonnie Ray Williams ran down to the 4th floor windows immediately after he saw the cop's helmet above the boxes...So if the police man Martha Stroud was referring to was Lumpkin then the first person Miss Garner would have seen was Bonnie Ray Williams because Lumpkin came WAY after Bonnie Ray ran down to the 4th floor...Greg couldn't answer his feeble-minded bullshit being blown out of the water by this so he did his usual coward's cut and run and went back to his nut farm of a forum where no skilled researchers would ever make him answer this and he could hide behind his cowardly banning...
>


> "But moreso because the Baker stopping Oswald in the Lunch Room story was well known by then, which is why Martha Stroud said "The" instead of "A".


> Well, Parker may not be here to give you an answer, but I'll give it a shot. If it was so well known that Baker went up with Truly then you would think she would say she saw Officer Baker and Mr. Truly... but she didn't

False...Stroud heard Miss Garner say this in her original FBI interview in March 1964...Because Miss Garner was aware of manager Truly but not familiar with the Dallas Police she said "The police man"...Your silly offering fails to answer that by March 1964 Garner was aware of the Lunch Room Encounter and the cop involved in it...Your trolling response fails to answer for Garner using "THE" police man" instead of "A" police man...The word "THE" references a specific person grammatically and the honest context was in the seconds after Adams & Styles descended...No serious researcher would say you were making any serious attempt to answer the obvious evidence in the Martha Stroud/Dorothy Garner witnessings...Garner said "THE" police man because she knew she was referencing Baker...

>
> If Truly made the trip twice with two different cops, WHICH ACCORDING TO YOU, HE DID, she would have said she saw Mr. Truly come up twice

You're trolling...If you read my offerings they said in plain language Truly made the trip once, and made it with Baker, shortly after Adams & Styles descended...We are talking the 2 minutes after the last shot period and you are trying to screw it up by inserting the Lumpkin trip up the steps that is totally irrelevant because it happened 15 to 20 minutes after the last shot...Your ignoring the disqualifying time parameters of your argument dismisses you from being taken seriously...You are making up specious contrivances that are totally irrelevant in order to escape evidence you can't answer in public...You are dishonestly avoiding the fact that Garner said "THE" police man, and made only one reference to one cop, because she knew the time period in question only had one cop involved in it...You are desperately trying to force Lumpkin in there but it doesn't work...Nice try Parker but you are a busted nut whose bullshit finally got called-out in a place where you couldn't censor it...

>
> All "the" implies is that she saw Truly go up with an officer only once. Lumkin confirmed he went up with Truly. Lumkin was far more credible than Baker, who was so dumb he mistook a landing for a lunchroom , the 2nd floor for the 3rd or 4th and could not even give an accurate description of Oswald with Oswald sitting in the same small room.
>
> The only witness you have of Baker being up there is a helmet witness. By the time Williams could have seen that, the place was swarming with cops.
>
> It was Lumkin. Baker was over harassing an employee in the Dal-Tex.|

Ah ha...Far more credible than the person we can see with our own eyes running towards the Depository front entrance with Truly tracking him in the same film clip...Don't believe what you can see with your own eyes!...Listen to blowhard Parker who will tell you what you are really seeing...


You're lying and you are failing to answer the evidence...Bonnie Ray was quite clear that they were scared shit-less and hid behind the boxes...Seeing the police man's helmet he then felt safe to descend to the 4th floor on the NW steps...You are stupidly failing to answer the hard fact that Lumpkin could not arrive back at the Depository from Parkland for at least 15 minutes after the last shot...You are dishonestly avoiding the FACT that Bonnie Ray and Miss Garner made clear that the descent of the negro workers to the 4th floor was at the time of Baker & Truly's ascent...You have repeatedly failed to answer that if "THE" police man were Lumpkin then Bonnie Ray would have descended to the 4th floor windows LONG before Lumpkin got back to the Depository...And would therefore be the first people Garner saw after Adams & Styles descended...This is iron-clad and you have repeatedly failed to answer it...It is quite clear to anyone reading this that you are obnoxiously ignoring it because you know it refutes you - which is parr for the course with the evidence nut Parker...

You are a liar Mr Parker...If Baker radically deviated from the official story by heading to the Dal-Tex Building someone would have witnessed it and spoken up...You are like a High School idiot Parker...You ignore the better argument and just repeat your same already-disproven shit...You are failing to answer that Miss Garner saw Truly and "THE" police man head up to the 5th floor at the exact time that Bonnie Ray saw the helmet arise above the boxes...Miss Garner made clear this was in the short time period after Adams & Styles descended at like plus 2 minutes...Bonnie Ray made clear that he descended to the 4th floor windows immediately after he saw the helmet...So this was in the plus 2 minute range and therefore could not possibly be the plus 15 minute range required for Lumpkin that you have failed to answer for...If "THE" police man was Lumpkin then the firm proven times would require Miss Garner to see Bonnie Ray as the first people after Adams & Styles descended...You are simply, trollishly, failing to yield to a proven argument of evidence...

[Greg Parker]

On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 7:09:32 AM UTC+11, Scrum Drum wrote:

> Funny how, as a non-Parker, you mis-spell "Lumkin" exactly like Parker does...In any case we can assume that posts that originate from the Parker troll farm corner of the research world are inherently trolling and obnoxious based on the simple fact that anyone who has an e-mail address of "Greg R Parker" who claims not to be Parker is an automatic troll...

I assumed Parker knew how to spell it and just copied from him. I should have known better. He is just an uneducated hick who gets lucky with his research sometimes. His spelling is so bad, he could get a job with the FBI.

> > Well, Parker may not be here to give you an answer, but I'll give it a shot. If it was so well known that Baker went up with Truly then you would think she would say she saw Officer Baker and Mr. Truly... but she didn't

> Garner using "THE" police man" instead of "A" police man...The word "THE" references a specific person grammatically

Absolutely!

> and the honest context was in the seconds after Adams & Styles descended...

Now point to her saying it was in the seconds after Adams and Styles descended. You can't create context where there is none given. The sole context supplied as "after".

No serious researcher would say you were making any serious attempt to answer the obvious evidence in the Martha Stroud/Dorothy Garner witnessings...Garner said "THE" police man because she knew she was referencing Baker...

That is a logical fallacy known as Argumentum ad populum. In looking through some of your past exchanges with Parker, I see you use this fallacy regularly. Am surpried he has never picked you up on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum.

> You're trolling...If you read my offerings they said in plain language Truly made the trip once, and made it with Baker, shortly after Adams & Styles descended...We are talking the 2 minutes after the last shot period and you are trying to screw it up by inserting the Lumpkin trip up the steps that is totally irrelevant because it happened 15 to 20 minutes after the last shot...

No, Sir. You need it to be within two minutes. I don't. And the document never said it was.

Your ignoring the disqualifying time parameters of your argument dismisses you from being taken seriously...You are making up specious contrivances that are totally irrelevant in order to escape evidence you can't answer in public...You are dishonestly avoiding the fact that Garner said "THE" police man, and made only one reference to one cop, because she knew the time period in question only had one cop involved in it...You are desperately trying to force Lumpkin in there but it doesn't work...Nice try Parker but you are a busted nut whose bullshit finally got called-out in a place where you couldn't censor it...

In your scenario there should have been players bumping into, or hearing each other, all over the place. But they never. Because it is a fairy tale. Garner heard the story of Baker and Truly and recalled Lumpkin and Truly. Memory on timing of evets has been shown in study after study to be deeply unreliable.

QUOTE
Creation of False Memories During Recall
The retrieval process is some time involved in the creation of false memories or wrong interpretation of memories. These false memories result from persistent beliefs, post-event information, wrongly stated and interpreted statements, and interference of new memories with old memories.

According to Elizabeth Loftus, a scientist who researched heavily in this area, the specific or precise wording of a question dramatically changes the recall and recreation of memories which may also lead to permanent changing of existing memories and the creation of false memories. A person’s information on an event is sometimes greatly influenced by a statement or suggestion of an authority figure, this phenomenon is called the misinformation effect.
UNQUOTE
https://human-memory.net/memory-recall-retrieval/#Types_of_Memory_Recall

She was clearly influenced to believe the ONE Truly/Cop up the stairs she recalled HAD to be the alleged Baker and Truly charge. She may not have even know that was supposed to be within 2 minutes of the shots. All she was sure of apparently, was that it was after the girls ran down.

> Ah ha...Far more credible than the person we can see with our own eyes running towards the Depository front entrance with Truly tracking him in the same film clip...Don't believe what you can see with your own eyes!...Listen to blowhard Parker who will tell you what you are really seeing...

He is NOT seen running toward the entrance. He was not even facing the entrance in the clip you refer to. He appears to b heading along the sidewalk.

> You're lying and you are failing to answer the evidence...Bonnie Ray was quite clear that they were scared shit-less and hid behind the boxes...Seeing the police man's helmet he then felt safe to descend to the 4th floor on the NW steps...You are stupidly failing to answer the hard fact that Lumpkin could not arrive back at the Depository from Parkland for at least 15 minutes after the last shot...You are dishonestly avoiding the FACT that Bonnie Ray and Miss Garner made clear that the descent of the negro workers to the 4th floor was at the time of Baker & Truly's ascent...You have repeatedly failed to answer that if "THE" police man were Lumpkin then Bonnie Ray would have descended to the 4th floor windows LONG before Lumpkin got back to the Depository...And would therefore be the first people Garner saw after Adams & Styles descended...This is iron-clad and you have repeatedly failed to answer it...It is quite clear to anyone reading this that you are obnoxiously ignoring it because you know it refutes you - which is parr for the course with the evidence nut Parker...

There is that logical fallacy again! Bonny Ry said watever they needed him to say. Including the lie that he ate on the 6th floor.

> You are a liar Mr Parker...If Baker radically deviated from the official story by heading to the Dal-Tex Building

You've got backwards! The official story deviated from the facts.

> someone would have witnessed it and spoken up...

Another logical fallacy, Appeal to common sense.

> You are like a High School idiot Parker...

Wrong guy. I graduated.

> You ignore the better argument and just repeat your same already-disproven shit...You are failing to answer that Miss Garner saw Truly and "THE" police man head up to the 5th floor at the exact time that Bonnie Ray saw the helmet arise above the boxes...Miss Garner made clear this was in the short time period after Adams & Styles descended at like plus 2 minutes...Bonnie Ray made clear that he descended to the 4th floor windows immediately after he saw the helmet...So this was in the plus 2 minute range and therefore could not possibly be the plus 15 minute range required for Lumpkin that you have failed to answer for...If "THE" police man was Lumpkin then the firm proven times would require Miss Garner to see Bonnie Ray as the first people after Adams & Styles descended...You are simply, trollishly, failing to yield to a proven argument of evidence...

It is you who is just repeating what has been debunked. It is you who fails to directly respond to what is so splendiferously presented for you eyes and mind to soak up.

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

I'll point out, just for the sake of the Lurker, that the motorcycle officer running in the Darnell film was HB McLain, not Marrion Baker. McLain ran by the TSBD steps and did not enter. Shortly after, Marrion Baker did run into the building. Somewhere in this kook video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooQYsw5lcuU

this is proven to a metaphysical certainty.

[Scrum Drum]

On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 7:53:05 PM UTC-5, gregr...@outlook.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 7:09:32 AM UTC+11, Scrum Drum wrote:





> Your ignoring the disqualifying time parameters of your argument dismisses you from being taken seriously...You are making up specious contrivances that are totally irrelevant in order to escape evidence you can't answer in public...You are dishonestly avoiding the fact that Garner said "THE" police man, and made only one reference to one cop, because she knew the time period in question only had one cop involved in it...You are desperately trying to force Lumpkin in there but it doesn't work...Nice try Parker but you are a busted nut whose bullshit finally got called-out in a place where you couldn't censor it...



> In your scenario there should have been players bumping into, or hearing each other, all over the place. But they never. Because it is a fairy tale. Garner heard the story of Baker and Truly and recalled Lumpkin and Truly. Memory on timing of evets has been shown in study after study to be deeply unreliable.

This is what Parker does when he is cornered by facts he knows he can't get around...He goes in to his phony professorial correction of what is really happening in the evidence but anyone of average intelligence can see it is just the nutcase Parker making up excuses to get around facts he can't answer...Parker is crazy and he actually believes that he can get away with this level of obviously transparent bullshit...All Parker is doing is trying to decorate his bullshit with false academic trimming, like referencing witness memory surveys, in order to make his silly denial look validly referenced...However any researcher of average intelligence can see Parker is using it to escape answering for what the evidence is really showing...There are weak minds out there in the research community who are dumb enough to let Parker mis-lead them...Who are impressed by Parker's reference to evasive pseudo-science...However there are also skilled, intelligent researchers who know Parker is full of shit and uses false reference to science as a diversion to avoid answering evidence that refutes him...

> QUOTE
> Creation of False Memories During Recall
> The retrieval process is some time involved in the creation of false memories or wrong interpretation of memories. These false memories result from persistent beliefs, post-event information, wrongly stated and interpreted statements, and interference of new memories with old memories.
> According to Elizabeth Loftus, a scientist who researched heavily in this area, the specific or precise wording of a question dramatically changes the recall and recreation of memories which may also lead to permanent changing of existing memories and the creation of false memories. A person’s information on an event is sometimes greatly influenced by a statement or suggestion of an authority figure, this phenomenon is called the misinformation effect.
> UNQUOTE
> https://human-memory.net/memory-recall-retrieval/#Types_of_Memory_Recall

>
> She was clearly influenced to believe the ONE Truly/Cop up the stairs she recalled HAD to be the alleged Baker and Truly charge. She may not have even know that was supposed to be within 2 minutes of the shots. All she was sure of apparently, was that it was after the girls ran down.


>

> Here is classic example of one of Parker's insane attempts to tell people what the evidence really says by going in and correcting the original witnessing according to his own whims and thinking people are dumb enough to not see him doing it...There was, of course, nothing wrong with Miss Garner's recollection of the times and she accurately portrayed the real times involved...This was already proven by what I entered in my last post...This memory survey is just Parker filibustering and trolling around evidence he knows he can't honestly answer...



The above is just classic Greg Parker/ROKC pure bullshit...Parker is a crazy scumbag who takes full advantage of the main witnesses being dead and not being able to answer his bogus challenges...It is obvious to any intelligent/honest researcher that if we could go back and ask Miss Garner if she was referencing the 2 minutes after the shots time period that she would automatically confirm that she was talking about seeing Truly and "THE" cop show up in the 2 minutes time frame...But we don't need to do that because I have already proven it was that time frame from the other evidence that asshole Parker ignores...Oh, and by the way...If Parker is having phone access problems then he can always unban me and I will be glad to go to ROKC and clean the floor up with Parker there like I am doing here...

>
> She was clearly influenced to believe the ONE Truly/Cop up the stairs she recalled HAD to be the alleged Baker and Truly charge. She may not have even know that was supposed to be within 2 minutes of the shots. All she was sure of apparently, was that it was after the girls ran down.

You're full of shit and, just like Parker, you make pronouncements...In Parker's world he is the mastermind of the Kennedy assassination and is going to correct original witnesses on what they were really thinking from the credible perch of his ROKC troll farm...Parker is an obvious bullshit blowhard who can't allow Garner to just be straight remembering what she witnessed without engaging his Rube Goldberg bullshit machine...Here we have an obvious bullshit artist who is obviously just making stuff up as he goes along asking us to take him seriously and accept his transparently-obvious, evidence-evasion fantasy and reworking of evidence to get around what it really shows...Parker is crazy enough to think we don't see him trying to loosen the evidence and Miss Garner's memory to force his bullshit in...

> > Ah ha...Far more credible than the person we can see with our own eyes running towards the Depository front entrance with Truly tracking him in the same film clip...Don't believe what you can see with your own eyes!...Listen to blowhard Parker who will tell you what you are really seeing...


> He is NOT seen running toward the entrance. He was not even facing the entrance in the clip you refer to. He appears to b heading along the sidewalk.

You're lying...As I said before, and you failed to credibly answer, there are zero witnesses to Baker going to Dal-Tex...ALL the witnesses saw Baker go in to the Depository...The only reason we are even talking about this is because the research community is dumb enough to have accepted Parker's crazy scenarios and obvious little boy's lies and backed them...It is quite obvious to credible, serious researchers that Greg is just trying to re-work the evidence because he knows if Baker ran inside at this time then the Lunch Room Encounter is real and Oswald was in the 2nd floor Lunch Room...The greater research community has foolishly failed to detect a Cinque/Fetzer-type lunatic and evidence gremlin in Parker...We have a community that is dumb enough (or may be gov't ops pretending to be researchers) that they allow Parker to get away with this idiotic mischief...No serious researcher denies Baker ran in exactly like he, Truly, and even Oswald described...They actually allow an obvious nut like Parker to deny this even though it is obvious the only reason he is doing it is because he is trying to force his Prayer Man theory against the evidence...

> > You're lying and you are failing to answer the evidence...Bonnie Ray was quite clear that they were scared shit-less and hid behind the boxes...Seeing the police man's helmet he then felt safe to descend to the 4th floor on the NW steps...You are stupidly failing to answer the hard fact that Lumpkin could not arrive back at the Depository from Parkland for at least 15 minutes after the last shot...You are dishonestly avoiding the FACT that Bonnie Ray and Miss Garner made clear that the descent of the negro workers to the 4th floor was at the time of Baker & Truly's ascent...You have repeatedly failed to answer that if "THE" police man were Lumpkin then Bonnie Ray would have descended to the 4th floor windows LONG before Lumpkin got back to the Depository...And would therefore be the first people Garner saw after Adams & Styles descended...This is iron-clad and you have repeatedly failed to answer it...It is quite clear to anyone reading this that you are obnoxiously ignoring it because you know it refutes you - which is parr for the course with the evidence nut Parker...


> There is that logical fallacy again! Bonny Ry said watever they needed him to say. Including the lie that he ate on the 6th floor.

Once again, credible, serious researchers can see this for what it is and know this is Parker once again needing to come in and tell original witnesses what they were really thinking in order to get around evidence he knows refutes him...It will be a permanent shame on the research community's behalf that they not only let him get away with this but actually endorsed him even though it is obvious made-up bullshit...Because there is no real peer review on the JFK internet, shallow trolls like yourself think you are getting away with ignoring the rest of the evidence that proves Bonnie Ray's account was accurate because there were other witnesses who corroborated that they ran down to the 4th floor and went to the windows at the exact time period I am claiming...You Parker trolls are used to not having your BS challenged...Because of that you make stupid mistakes like trying to ignore that others confirmed the timing of Bonnie Ray's descent to the 4th floor and it was right in synch with Baker & Truly's ascent to the 5th floor...You're idiots...

> > You ignore the better argument and just repeat your same already-disproven shit...You are failing to answer that Miss Garner saw Truly and "THE" police man head up to the 5th floor at the exact time that Bonnie Ray saw the helmet arise above the boxes...Miss Garner made clear this was in the short time period after Adams & Styles descended at like plus 2 minutes...Bonnie Ray made clear that he descended to the 4th floor windows immediately after he saw the helmet...So this was in the plus 2 minute range and therefore could not possibly be the plus 15 minute range required for Lumpkin that you have failed to answer for...If "THE" police man was Lumpkin then the firm proven times would require Miss Garner to see Bonnie Ray as the first people after Adams & Styles descended...You are simply, trollishly, failing to yield to a proven argument of evidence...



> It is you who is just repeating what has been debunked. It is you who fails to directly respond to what is so splendiferously presented for you eyes and mind to soak up.

Here is where I knock out Greg Parker and end this issue once and for all...You're obviously just an idiot troll whose obnoxious trolling answer shows any readers that you aren't a credible researcher and shouldn't be taken seriously...You couldn't answer the evidence I posted in that last paragraph so you trolled it...You publicly could not answer the detailed evidence that if Lumpkin were the cop Miss Garner saw that Bonnie Ray would be the first person Miss Garner saw after Adams & Styles descended...This is yet another example of the JFK internet lacking credible oversight...A trolling answer like you give here would bounce you out of any credibly, academically-moderated discussion...I myself am against censorship and banning but I would not hesitate to remove your posts if I were moderator because you are obviously here for disruption and are not making any honest attempt to answer the facts I am posting...This is the problem with the JFK internet...Delinquent posters like yourself are allowed to get away with it...

Here is where the booby nut Parker goes down for the count and the community's cowardly banning won't get him out of it...It turns out Lumpkin was witnessed going back in to the Depository at 12:50 (So my plus 20 minutes estimate was exactly right)...Parker knew this but the dishonest bastard omits evidence that refutes him, which just goes to show what a dishonest bullshit artist he is...Anyway that means Miss Garner could not have seen Lumpkin until at least 22 minutes after the shots:


" Upon arriving at Parkland Hospital after the assassination, Lumpkin immediately suggested surrounding the Texas School Book Depository, and returning to search it, even before anyone knew where the shots had come from. He and the passengers of the Pilot car, DPD Homicide Detectives Senkel & Turner, the 488th's Col. Whitmeyer, as well as Dallas FBI SAIC Forrest Sorrels, returned to the Depository in the Pilot Car and helped in the early search of the building. He is seen in film clips entering the building at approximately 12:50 p.m. with DPD Capt. Will Fritz, who arrived at the same time in a separate car. "



However here is where the nutty troll Parker shrivels up and goes back to the troll afterlife from which he originated...It turns out there was a photo of Lumpkin in the motorcade and it showed him wearing a felt fedora-type hat...What this proves is that Lumpkin did not have a motorcycle helmet that day and therefore could not possibly be the officer either Garner or Bonnie Ray Williams saw...Greg is busted big time here and has finally been exposed as being an uncredible bullshit artist who makes up evidence as he goes along in order to escape what the evidence is really saying...Greg is an asshole who boasts on his silly troll farm website that he will debate anyone and is the victim of unfair ignoring etc...But this final proof here of Greg getting caught trying to defraud evidence, like the pathetic charlatan he is, tells the final story of Greg Parker and his all too long run at screwing up the Kennedy assassination evidence that was just ended by myself...However this asshole is who is posting under Greg's handle will read this and not give any credible response to it, and the rest the of the assholes will ignore it and pretend that Greg wasn't just barbecued on a spit by myself...A notorious troll has just been publicly burned alive by myself and his dubious methodology of making up false evidence claims has just been exposed in away that Greg can't escape or lie around like he usually does...The whole Prayer Man theory is based on bullshit like this and enforced with cowardly banning...What will the research community do?...They'll ignore it and continue marching naked in the DiEugenio/Gordon fool's parade at the Education Forum...Here is Lumpkin in his felt hat (You're done Mr Troll):



https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156778130/george-laster-lumpkin

[Greg Parker]

On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 7:08:59 AM UTC+11, Scrum Drum wrote:

> This is what Parker does when he is cornered by facts he knows he can't get around...He goes in to his phony professorial correction of what is really happening in the evidence but anyone of average intelligence can see it is just the nutcase Parker making up excuses to get around facts he can't answer...Parker is crazy and he actually believes that he can get away with this level of obviously transparent bullshit...All Parker is doing is trying to decorate his bullshit with false academic trimming, like referencing witness memory surveys, in order to make his silly denial look validly referenced...However any researcher of average intelligence can see Parker is using it to escape answering for what the evidence is really showing...There are weak minds out there in the research community who are dumb enough to let Parker mis-lead them...Who are impressed by Parker's reference to evasive pseudo-science...However there are also skilled, intelligent researchers who know Parker is full of shit and uses false reference to science as a diversion to avoid answering evidence that refutes him...

This is why you are banned everywhere. You demand that everyone respond to your research (which for you is just code for whatever crap comes into your head), but when they do - your MO doesn't change. You call people names and insult them if they treat your posts with the disdain they deserve - but STILL call names and insult then when they DO try and engage in the debate YOU claim you want.

There is NOTHING pseudo about the scientific research of memory.

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> > Creation of False Memories During Recall
> > The retrieval process is some time involved in the creation of false memories or wrong interpretation of memories. These false memories result from persistent beliefs, post-event information, wrongly stated and interpreted statements, and interference of new memories with old memories.
> > According to Elizabeth Loftus, a scientist who researched heavily in this area, the specific or precise wording of a question dramatically changes the recall and recreation of memories which may also lead to permanent changing of existing memories and the creation of false memories. A person’s information on an event is sometimes greatly influenced by a statement or suggestion of an authority figure, this phenomenon is called the misinformation effect.
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> > https://human-memory.net/memory-recall-retrieval/#Types_of_Memory_Recall
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> > She was clearly influenced to believe the ONE Truly/Cop up the stairs she recalled HAD to be the alleged Baker and Truly charge. She may not have even know that was supposed to be within 2 minutes of the shots. All she was sure of apparently, was that it was after the girls ran down.

> Here is where the booby nut Parker goes down for the count and the community's cowardly banning won't get him out of it...It turns out Lumpkin was witnessed going back in to the Depository at 12:50 (So my plus 20 minutes estimate was exactly right)...Parker knew this but the dishonest bastard omits evidence that refutes him, which just goes to show what a dishonest bullshit artist he is...Anyway that means Miss Garner could not have seen Lumpkin until at least 22 minutes after the shots:
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> " Upon arriving at Parkland Hospital after the assassination, Lumpkin immediately suggested surrounding the Texas School Book Depository, and returning to search it, even before anyone knew where the shots had come from. He and the passengers of the Pilot car, DPD Homicide Detectives Senkel & Turner, the 488th's Col. Whitmeyer, as well as Dallas FBI SAIC Forrest Sorrels, returned to the Depository in the Pilot Car and helped in the early search of the building. He is seen in film clips entering the building at approximately 12:50 p.m. with DPD Capt. Will Fritz, who arrived at the same time in a separate car. "
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> However here is where the nutty troll Parker shrivels up and goes back to the troll afterlife from which he originated...It turns out there was a photo of Lumpkin in the motorcade and it showed him wearing a felt fedora-type hat...What this proves is that Lumpkin did not have a motorcycle helmet that day and therefore could not possibly be the officer either Garner or Bonnie Ray Williams saw...Greg is busted big time here and has finally been exposed as being an uncredible bullshit artist who makes up evidence as he goes along in order to escape what the evidence is really saying...Greg is an asshole who boasts on his silly troll farm website that he will debate anyone and is the victim of unfair ignoring etc...But this final proof here of Greg getting caught trying to defraud evidence, like the pathetic charlatan he is, tells the final story of Greg Parker and his all too long run at screwing up the Kennedy assassination evidence that was just ended by myself...However this asshole is who is posting under Greg's handle will read this and not give any credible response to it, and the rest the of the assholes will ignore it and pretend that Greg wasn't just barbecued on a spit by myself...A notorious troll has just been publicly burned alive by myself and his dubious methodology of making up false evidence claims has just been exposed in away that Greg can't escape or lie around like he usually does...The whole Prayer Man theory is based on bullshit like this and enforced with cowardly banning...What will the research community do?...They'll ignore it and continue marching naked in the DiEugenio/Gordon fool's parade at the Education Forum...Here is Lumpkin in his felt hat (You're done Mr Troll):
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> https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156778130/george-laster-lumpkin

Please pay attention li'l buddy, I never said the cop allegedly seen by Williams was the same cop seen by Garner. That is YOUR construct. I specifically said that the place was full of cops - which means Williams - if he was not lying under pressure as he did with other testimony - could have seen any helmeted cop.

Mr. BELIN - Who was the first person you saw on the first floor after you - while you were eating your lunch? Someone came in the building?
Mr. WEST - Yes; before I got through. The officers and things were coming in the front door.
Mr. BELIN - Who was the first person or persons that you saw coming through there while you were eating your lunch?
Mr. WEST - Well, that was the police.
Mr. BELIN - A police officer?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Anyone else?
Mr. WEST - I guess it was a bunch of them, I guess, FBI men, and just a crowed of them coming in there.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see Roy Truly coming in at all that time? Do you know Mr. Truly?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir; that is the boss, the superintendent.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see him, do you remember, while you were eating your lunch, come in the building?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir; I think he came in with the police.
Mr. BELIN - Was he one of the first people in, or did other people come in ahead of him, if you remember?
Mr. WEST - Really, I just don't know.
Mr. BELIN - That is okay if you don't remember. That is all I want you to say if you don't remember. Did you hear anyone yelling to let the elevator loose or anything like that?
Mr. WEST - I can't remember.

I'm afraid there was no knockdown. There was only a "slip". And it was you, not me. The ref sez you threw yourself onto the canvass trying to duck and will penalize you a point if you do it again.

[Greg Parker]

On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 7:01:46 PM UTC+11, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:

> I'll point out, just for the sake of the Lurker, that the motorcycle officer running in the Darnell film was HB McLain, not Marrion Baker. McLain ran by the TSBD steps and did not enter. Shortly after, Marrion Baker did run into the building. Somewhere in this kook video
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> this is proven to a metaphysical certainty.

Sorry. Can't agree it is certain. But it is food for thought. He makes some good and interesting points, but draws a long bow on other points.

Will try and get some feedback from others who spend more time on the films than I do.

Whether McLain, Baker or someone else, Baker never went into the TSBD.

[Scrum Drum]

On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 8:01:45 PM UTC-5, gregr...@outlook.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 7:08:59 AM UTC+11, Scrum Drum wrote:
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> This is why you are banned everywhere. You demand that everyone respond to your research (which for you is just code for whatever crap comes into your head), but when they do - your MO doesn't change. You call people names and insult them if they treat your posts with the disdain they deserve - but STILL call names and insult then when they DO try and engage in the debate YOU claim you want.

Yes, this is why I am banned everywhere (says the guy who is also banned everywhere without detecting his stupid hypocrisy)...I agree...I am banned everywhere because inferior researchers have appointed dummies like themselves to moderator positions in order to enforce their hijacking of the JFK internet...Greg is stupid because he thinks we don't see him lambasting James Gordon and Lauren Johnson on his ROKC forum...Greg shows in public that he excoriates Gordon and Johnson when he needs to according to his bullshit but then makes them credible moderators when they ban someone for posting the truth that they were too stupid to understand...This is why Greg isn't credible...Evidence is always what credible debate goes by and I am in possession of that despite Greg's trolling...I am banned because of my unpopular but correct Prayer Man evidence...You are banned because you are a nut who makes up evidence as he goes along like Cinque and Fetzer...

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> > > Creation of False Memories During Recall
> > > The retrieval process is some time involved in the creation of false memories or wrong interpretation of memories. These false memories result from persistent beliefs, post-event information, wrongly stated and interpreted statements, and interference of new memories with old memories.
> > > According to Elizabeth Loftus, a scientist who researched heavily in this area, the specific or precise wording of a question dramatically changes the recall and recreation of memories which may also lead to permanent changing of existing memories and the creation of false memories. A person’s information on an event is sometimes greatly influenced by a statement or suggestion of an authority figure, this phenomenon is called the misinformation effect.
> > > UNQUOTE
> > > https://human-memory.net/memory-recall-retrieval/#Types_of_Memory_Recall
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You're just a pronouncing bullshit artist Greg who is arrogant enough to think he can get away with just re-posting his same pseudo science memory survey instead of answering what was written...Re-posting that survey will not get you out of answering the evidence you are using it to ignore...You can get away with that on your troll forum but any credibly-moderated debate would not let you get away with it...You are literally atrophied by the fact you are used to banning anyone who calls you on your bullshit at your censorship-enforced troll farm...You have tuned your muscles to just being able to ignore correct evidence through banning and are literally incapable of answering a correct argument...There was nothing wrong with Miss Garner's memory...You show a moronic level of debate skill if you think re-posting that phony memory survey blowhard-style gets you out of answering that the time period for Miss Garner's witnessing was corroborated by other witnesses who saw the negro workers arrive at the 4th floor windows in synch with Truly & Baker's ascent...You are a liar Greg who knows there was other corroborating evidence and witnesses who ignores it and wastes our time with dishonest bullshit even though he knows there were other witnesses...You are an evidence weasel who tries to force slight variations in grammar and semantics in order to force your Prayer Man bullshit around the obvious evidence...You get away with murder with the dummies and lunatics out there on the JFK internet...In any case you just busted out of the debate because a credible debate moderator would not let you get away with ignoring those corroborating witnesses and how they prove Miss Garner was talking about the plus 2 minutes time period after the last shot...

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> > However here is where the nutty troll Parker shrivels up and goes back to the troll afterlife from which he originated...It turns out there was a photo of Lumpkin in the motorcade and it showed him wearing a felt fedora-type hat...What this proves is that Lumpkin did not have a motorcycle helmet that day and therefore could not possibly be the officer either Garner or Bonnie Ray Williams saw...Greg is busted big time here and has finally been exposed as being an uncredible bullshit artist who makes up evidence as he goes along in order to escape what the evidence is really saying...Greg is an asshole who boasts on his silly troll farm website that he will debate anyone and is the victim of unfair ignoring etc...But this final proof here of Greg getting caught trying to defraud evidence, like the pathetic charlatan he is, tells the final story of Greg Parker and his all too long run at screwing up the Kennedy assassination evidence that was just ended by myself...However this asshole is who is posting under Greg's handle will read this and not give any credible response to it, and the rest the of the assholes will ignore it and pretend that Greg wasn't just barbecued on a spit by myself...A notorious troll has just been publicly burned alive by myself and his dubious methodology of making up false evidence claims has just been exposed in away that Greg can't escape or lie around like he usually does...The whole Prayer Man theory is based on bullshit like this and enforced with cowardly banning...What will the research community do?...They'll ignore it and continue marching naked in the DiEugenio/Gordon fool's parade at the Education Forum...Here is Lumpkin in his felt hat (You're done Mr Troll):
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You pathetic fucking troll Greg...You never answered what I wrote...Please thank Zambanini for me on your troll farm for finding that image of Lumpkin with the fedora-type hat...I would thank her myself but you asshole trolls decided to ban the only guy with a handle on the facts...Greg Parker is an asshole who posts on his troll website that he will take on any comers in fair debate on anything...And as soon as you take him up on that he runs like a coward and doesn't answer your arguments...He does that because he has a group of trollish supporters who will back him no matter how obvious it is that he is badly losing a debate (like he's doing here)...

Greg has failed to answer in public that my argument here PROVES the police man Miss Garner was referring to had to be Baker and it had to be during the time slot for the Lunch Room Encounter...Greg Parker has badly failed to answer in public that Lumpkin was documented and photographed not arriving back to the Depository until 12:50 (according to Zambanini)...That means Lumpkin could not have been seen on the steps by Miss Garner until plus 22 minutes after the shots...Greg is a trolling asshole because he knows god-damned well, as much as I do, that there is absolutely no way that the descriptions given by Miss Garner and all the other witnesses could be talking about 22 minutes after the shots...The members of the Education Forum are a bunch of assholes because they also know this is true but they play dumb, remain silent, and let Greg get away with it...

What Greg has once again ran from in public, while bragging that he would take on all comers, is that Bonnie Ray made clear that he ran down to the 4th floor windows in the plus 3 minutes time frame...Greg is trying to get away with the murder of saying Bonnie Ray didn't make this flight until plus 22 minutes after the shots...Bonnie Ray said in a statement that when he saw the motorcycle officer's white helmet he realized the floors below had been cleared and were safe so he and the other negro workers ran down to the 4th floor windows where the lady secretaries were...This was at plus 3 minutes after the shots so therefore if the police man Miss Garner saw with Truly was Lumpkin at plus 22 minutes then the first people Miss Garner saw after Adams & Styles descended would have been the negro workers...Greg ignores this and refuses to honestly answer it...In a credibly-moderated debate Greg would not be allowed to do that...In a credibly-moderated debate if you flagrantly ignore a good argument, like Greg does here, then you are scored and punished for it...You relinquish your right to further violate the rules of debate...But that's not how the assholes who constitute the current JFK internet research community operate...The way they operate is they side with Greg even though he's literally unable to answer evidence in public and ban the one with the correct facts...The fact Greg runs from my argument here and can't answer it in public is proof of why it is legitimate and therefore wins the debate for me by normal rules (not the asshole ones that Gordon enforces)...

Greg has failed to answer in public the FACT that the officer with the white motorcycle helmet seen by Bonnie Ray Williams had to be Baker because Lumpkin was photographed wearing a fedora-type hat...Greg knew this so this shows how little respect he has for the research community and what a lying scumbag he is...Greg refuses to follow-through and answer for the FACT that the officer whom Williams saw had to be Baker because it couldn't be Lumpkin...So therefore if Williams saw Baker's helmet emerge on the 5th floor above the boxes that means he had to pass through the 4th floor on his way there and be seen by Miss Garner...The evidentiary logic of this is inescapable which is why the squirming troll Greg Parker ignores it and refuses to answer...Since Bonnie Ray Williams was confirmed by the other witnesses to have ran to the 4th floor right after seeing this helmet, and there is no doubt it was in the plus 3 minute time bracket, that therefore excludes Lumpkin and PROVES it was Baker and it was Baker in synch with the timing of the Lunch Room Encounter...

You have lost this debate by all rights and all normal debate descriptions Mr Troll Parker...Go run off to your troll farm where they brag about banning people whose correct arguments they can't answer in public...

[Greg Parker]

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 4:45:36 AM UTC+11, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 8:01:45 PM UTC-5, gregr...@outlook.com wrote:

> Yes, this is why I am banned everywhere (says the guy who is also banned everywhere without detecting his stupid hypocrisy)...I agree...I am banned everywhere because inferior researchers have appointed dummies like themselves to moderator positions in order to enforce their hijacking of the JFK internet...Greg is stupid because he thinks we don't see him lambasting James Gordon and Lauren Johnson on his ROKC forum...Greg shows in public that he excoriates Gordon and Johnson when he needs to according to his bullshit but then makes them credible moderators when they ban someone for posting the truth that they were too stupid to understand...This is why Greg isn't credible...Evidence is always what credible debate goes by and I am in possession of that despite Greg's trolling...I am banned because of my unpopular but correct Prayer Man evidence...You are banned because you are a nut who makes up evidence as he goes along like Cinque and Fetzer...

You have the other Parker banned everywhere for being a nut, but also have the Ed Forum owner who banned him, defending his Prayer Man research and banning YOU for trying to disprove it. Is that a Gordian knot or wot?

Parker was banned over his hardline stand against the two Oswald theory and the fact that he has little self-control. When it comes to being baited by snake-oil salesmen. he losses his shit almost every time.

> > There is NOTHING pseudo about the scientific research of memory.
> > > > QUOTE
> > > > Creation of False Memories During Recall
> > > > The retrieval process is some time involved in the creation of false memories or wrong interpretation of memories. These false memories result from persistent beliefs, post-event information, wrongly stated and interpreted statements, and interference of new memories with old memories.
> > > > According to Elizabeth Loftus, a scientist who researched heavily in this area, the specific or precise wording of a question dramatically changes the recall and recreation of memories which may also lead to permanent changing of existing memories and the creation of false memories. A person’s information on an event is sometimes greatly influenced by a statement or suggestion of an authority figure, this phenomenon is called the misinformation effect.
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> > > > https://human-memory.net/memory-recall-retrieval/#Types_of_Memory_Recall
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> You're just a pronouncing bullshit artist Greg who is arrogant enough to think he can get away with just re-posting his same pseudo science memory survey

Again, there is nothing pseudo about it - and it was not a survey - it was a scientifically conducted study. You need to learn to accept real science and eschew your purple prose.

> instead of answering what was written...Re-posting that survey will not get you out of answering the evidence you are using it to ignore...

Are you insisting that memory is infallible? That it can never be contaminated?

> You can get away with that on your troll forum but any credibly-moderated debate would not let you get away with it...

Credible moderation loves scientific methods of evaluation. It hates people who reject scientific arguments, and who rely instead on ad hom attacks.

> You are literally atrophied by the fact you are used to banning anyone who calls you on your bullshit at your censorship-enforced troll farm...You have tuned your muscles to just being able to ignore correct evidence through banning and are literally incapable of answering a correct argument...There was nothing wrong with Miss Garner's memory...You show a moronic level of debate skill if you think re-posting that phony memory survey blowhard-style gets you out of answering that the time period for Miss Garner's witnessing was corroborated by other witnesses who saw the negro workers arrive at the 4th floor windows in synch with Truly & Baker's ascent...You are a liar Greg who knows there was other corroborating evidence and witnesses who ignores it and wastes our time with dishonest bullshit even though he knows there were other witnesses...You are an evidence weasel who tries to force slight variations in grammar and semantics in order to force your Prayer Man bullshit around the obvious evidence...You get away with murder with the dummies and lunatics out there on the JFK internet...In any case you just busted out of the debate because a credible debate moderator would not let you get away with ignoring those corroborating witnesses and how they prove Miss Garner was talking about the plus 2 minutes time period after the last shot...

Insisting up-front that your argument is the correct one, only highlights your problem. I don't know why Parker hasn't brought that to your attention in the past. I suspect he just likes stringing you along, which is not very charitable. But your insistence on being correct AND demanding a debate on it, shows you do not really want a debate. You just want to ram your ideas down the throats of anyone who accommodates your debate invitation.

> You pathetic fucking troll Greg...You never answered what I wrote...Please thank Zambanini for me on your troll farm for finding that image of Lumpkin with the fedora-type hat...I would thank her myself but you asshole trolls decided to ban the only guy with a handle on the facts...Greg Parker is an asshole who posts on his troll website that he will take on any comers in fair debate on anything...And as soon as you take him up on that he runs like a coward and doesn't answer your arguments...He does that because he has a group of trollish supporters who will back him no matter how obvious it is that he is badly losing a debate (like he's doing here)...

I rest my case.

> Greg has failed to answer in public that my argument here PROVES the police man Miss Garner was referring to had to be Baker and it had to be during the time slot for the Lunch Room Encounter...Greg Parker has badly failed to answer in public that Lumpkin was documented and photographed not arriving back to the Depository until 12:50 (according to Zambanini)...That means Lumpkin could not have been seen on the steps by Miss Garner until plus 22 minutes after the shots...Greg is a trolling asshole because he knows god-damned well, as much as I do, that there is absolutely no way that the descriptions given by Miss Garner and all the other witnesses could be talking about 22 minutes after the shots...The members of the Education Forum are a bunch of assholes because they also know this is true but they play dumb, remain silent, and let Greg get away with it...

It is not that difficult to understand.

There was no Roy Truly led charge up the stairs - and no cop would ever expect a civilian - especially an unarmed one - to act as a suicidal shield against an armed assassin to protect an armed cop. The idea that this happened is idiotic in the extreme. It is supposed to be the bad guys who use human shields, not the good guys.

So yes, Garner did see a cop and Roy go up. But it was Truly and good ol' boy, Lumpy Lumpkin.

Williams lied about eating on the 6th floor so that authorities could account for his food scraps being there instead of on the 5th floor which is where he originally said he had lunch. He either lied about seeing a cop as well, in order to shore up the bogus Baker run, which until then, only had the say so of Baker and Truly, or he saw one of the many cops who Troy West saw come in straight after the shots.

> What Greg has once again ran from in public, while bragging that he would take on all comers, is that Bonnie Ray made clear that he ran down to the 4th floor windows in the plus 3 minutes time frame...

And once again, I am telling you that Bonny Ray's original statements are at odds with his testimony, which is indicative of someone who has been suborned into perjury.

repetitive blather snipped as a public service.

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> You have lost this debate by all rights and all normal debate descriptions Mr Troll Parker...Go run off to your troll farm where they brag about banning people whose correct arguments they can't answer in public...

It is not my site. I don't even post there. Well, okay, I did once under a pseudonym to avoid confusion, but that's another story.

[Scrum Drum]

Typical of Parker's troll forum you are just an unscreened troll who is getting away with posting ROKC's demented input over here...Anyone who posts under Parker's handle but isn't Parker is just a straight troll to begin with...


Your Parker-like pronouncement that Truly's dash up the stairs never happened is just another example of how ROKC ignores evidence and just pronounces what it wants to be...Because Parker offers such a ham-handed attempt to force the Prayer Man theory against the obvious evidence him and his members have retarded JFK research and missed important clues...Truly very much did run first up the stairs because Baker said so...ROKC is used to correcting original witnesses and telling them what they were really saying, but there's no legitimacy to it what so ever...What ROKC fails to detect because of its primitive, hoax-wishing method is that Truly led on the stairs because, as part of the conspiracy, he knew he had nothing to fear...He knew he wasn't going to run in to a desperate assassin because he knew the whole thing was a set-up to which he was an accomplice...This is yet another example of how ROKC's lack of credibility damages real JFK research...Truly went first because Baker had to wait for him to turn around and come back to the Vestibule to check out Oswald...If Truly were behind Baker he would have followed Baker right in to the Vestibule...You ROKC nuts use the infantile method of just straight denying the Lunch Room Encounter all together, just like you use the infantile method of calling people whose witnessing disproves you liars...What didn't happen was your imaginary trip over to Dal-Tex by Baker that you are using to try to make the Prayer Man claim real by removing countering events...It is so obvious that you trolls are trying to remove the Lunch Room Encounter because you know it disproves your Prayer Man bullshit...



You are just proving my point that ROKC is populated by demented trolls who ignore evidence in its face...You can't credibly repeat the trolling point that Lumpkin was the cop Miss Garner saw with Truly without answering that Lumpkin was filmed not arriving back at the Depository until 12:50, according to ROKC's own Linda Zambanini...Your answer ignores that I have proven that there were other witnesses who saw Williams and the other workers arrive at the 4th floor windows at the time that Truly & Baker ascended on the stairs...You can't just ignore evidence...Reality and credible debate don't work that way...Your Parker-like trolling assertion that Bonnie Ray (allegedly) being caught lying dismisses all of his statements regarding the officer in the white helmet is not valid and does not serve as adequate response to my evidence of other people corroborating Williams' going to the 4th floor...The way logic and reality works is once others confirm Bonnie Ray's claim of going to the 4th floor, like I've proven, that therefore Bonnie Ray isn't lying...And since I've proven he isn't lying, therefore his witnessing of the white motorcycle helmet above the boxes is also equally truthful...Only a nut and troll would ignore the laws of evidence and repeat an already-disproven somewhat moronic claim like you do...The rules of evidence dictate that since I have proven that Bonnie Ray did go to the 4th floor right after Baker & Truly went up to the 5th floor, that therefore your idiotic response that it was Lumpkin is automatically rejected and can't be used to deny the evidence you have still failed to answer...You also idiotically and moronically fail to answer my previous point that Lumpkin was filmed wearing a fedora and therefore could not be the officer with the white motorcycle helmet (Baker just so happened to be wearing a white motorcycle helmet)...You further your stupidity by also failing to answer that if Lumpkin did not arrive back at the Depository until plus 20 minutes after the shots that therefore the first people Garner would have seen, if the police man was Lumpkin, would have been Bonnie Ray and the other workers whom the evidence you are trollishly ignoring PROVES arrived on the 4th floor around 3 minutes after the shots...This is what you assholes at ROKC do...Because you run a troll forum that bans the opposition you get away with ignoring the facts in the other person's offering that disprove you and just answer to your own bullshit...You would not get away with that in a credibly-moderated forum where you were finally held accountable for it...All you are doing here is showing the readers how you contrived that bullshit Prayer Man theory by ignoring the evidence that disproved it...If I was moderator of this site I would not ban you but I would delete any post that refused to credibly acknowledge and obey proven evidence...


Now go back and try to give a straight, honest, and direct answer to the other witnesses on the 4th floor who witnessed and confirmed Bonnie Ray arriving on the 4th floor exactly when he claimed, therefore proving he wasn't lying...And therefore proving that the weak excuse that he was lying can't be used to avoid the other evidence...

[Scrum Drum]

Do you see the regular, repeated Modus Operandi of ROKC and Greg Parker here?....


When you nail them and force them to answer the real evidence those knuckleheads have been avoiding on Parker's troll forum they stay silent and don't come back to answer for their bullshit...There were Commission and other interviews where the witnesses on the 4th floor testified that they saw the negro workers come down to the 4th floor windows exactly at the plus 3 minute time period that Bonnie Ray claimed...

Greg Parker is a nut and roaring asshole liar who comes here and disrespects the membership by lying and entering the nutty claim that Bonnie Ray was lying...However by the normal rules of evidence discussion that the nutcase case Parker eschews on his DiEugenio-approved troll site we can see that the other corroborating witnesses to Bonnie Ray's descent show that he isn't lying and therefore my version is correct...So what does this crazy asshole Greg Parker do?... He cuts and runs like he has done on record on this website consistently each and every time I confront him with the evidence he's ignoring...

So what is happening here is Greg Parker's denial of the Lunch Room Encounter has been refuted and he has been shown to be a cowardly liar who can't back up his bullshit when called on it by a skilled person who is capable of seeing right through his idiotic so-called research...Since Greg's childish excuse that the officer Garner saw Truly emerge on the 4th floor landing with was Lumpkin has been disproven therefore the white helmet and timing witnessed by the truth-telling Bonnie Ray Williams proves that officer was Baker...Further proof that it was Baker is seen in the wording of Martha Stroud and Dorothy Garner who both said Truly was seen with "THE" police man...They used the word "THE" because they both knew of the Lunch Room Encounter and both knew Baker was "THE" cop Truly was said to have climbed the stairs with...When they said "THE" they showed that they were referring to Baker specifically...Greg is a nut who likes to get attention for coming in and reworking the evidence troll-style to force his Prayer Man theory in...A good percentage of the research community are dumb enough to let him...Like, say, the totally dishonest Jim DiEugenio who admitted to me on Facebook that Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton but now stays quiet while an innocent man hangs under his false witnessing...Going along with the crowd really pays in that dirty community...

[Scrum Drum]

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 2:31:51 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:

Bart Kamp has answered my challenge to show Stanton to Frazier's left in the Prayer Man photography, however he has chosen the Darnell image because he is trying to hide his deception in its lack of clarity...Remember, my challenge to Kamp was to please show Stanton to Frazier's left in the clear Altgens image and in the corresponding Wiegman frame that was taken at the same time as Altgens...Kamp decided to use Darnell instead because its blurry-ness could be used to hide his picking a random figure and calling it Stanton...Kamp's image and post are linked at the bottom of this post...

In his new effort to deceive Kamp has chosen a light-haired person down two steps on the far east side of the portal...He forgets that previously he has been saying Stanton is a light-haired person 3 steps down on the west side of the steps, so he has changed his choice without explaining why...Kamp should let us know which one it is because so far he has chosen two different persons in two different locations without explaining why...Lovelady also said Stanton was next to him to the far right of the entranceway (far west side) 40 seconds before Darnell - right where we see Prayer Man at that time...

Kamp is a wild child who doesn't follow normal research methods...He ignores that Stanton testified that she could not see the limousine at the time of the shots...This new random person Kamp has chosen has a wide open direct view of the limousine at the time of the shots from that position...Prayer Man, however, can't see the limo because she is blocked by the west wall of the portal...

Kamp ignores that Buell Frazier was quite clear that he and Sarah were standing deepest in to the shadows exactly where you see Prayer Man deep in to the shadows...Kamp's random figure is in bright sun...

Frazier said that after Calvery got back to the steps he and Sarah stared at each other in shock for the longest time...Calvery is on the steps in Darnell...Frazier is staring at Prayer Man for the full 4 seconds of Darnell...

Davidson proved beyond a doubt that Prayer Man had a woman's face...Davidson's woman's face even had visibly chubby cheeks just like Sarah....Prayer Man even has an obese forearm, hand, and wide hips like Sarah...Not to mention Stanton's 5 foot 4 height:



https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1791p25-sarah-stanton-and-pauline-sanders-in-darnell#37939

[Scrum Drum]

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:28:42 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:

Please go to the ROKC thread and you will see Kamp has entered a demented reply to my water fountain evidence where he shows the water fountain in the 2nd floor hallway as the only water fountain...


Kamp is an unwell person by psychiatric definition because he has been adequately shown a plainly-visible large double water fountain console in the Lunch Room Vestibule but his cognitive dissonance is so strong that he literally cannot allow himself to see or admit it and at this point we are well within classic psychiatric definitions...Bart literally can't admit my plainly-shown credible proof because he is aware it is so devastating to his bullshit that it destroys him and shows what a juvenile lying asshole he is...Bart is not a credible researcher...He's miserable weaseling little piece of shit that is so stupid and so uncredible research-wise that he would actually offer that self-indicting moronic stupidity in public and not realize how bad it made him look...He's not afraid to do that because he knows he has the research clique to back him no matter what kind of crazy delinquency he posts...He does that because you dishonest scumbags let him...


This is a classic psychiatric case of deviant denial where Kamp has actually deluded himself that by showing a totally irrelevant water fountain in the hallway that he has someone made the clearly-seen double water fountain console in the Vestibule go away...He is not a well person and these assholes, and this type of dishonest research, is exactly what the bogus Prayer Man theory has consisted of from the get go...This idiot Healy gives no criticism to Kamp's obvious demented input...The giant asshole DiEugenio deals with it by saying I am insulting dignified research community members (like, say, the rabid foaming-mouthed punk Kamp) and then skips the evidence part...Jim knows he has a large group of dependable sycophants who all want to scurry in to his butt crack so he knows he can get away with that rank dishonesty and feigned indignation in order to employ cheap tactics to get around my evidence...Him and Gordon work with each other...


This is a sick research community that is run by a banning British asshole named Gordon who has set up the situation where the person with the incredibly impressive correct evidence, who wins against a 95% majority who are trying to ban him, is ignored and demented idiots like Kamp are allowed to get away with research murder and are later praised and taken in to the community with open arms while a person who can't defend himself because of cowardly banning is disparaged and trashed - even though he has the impressively correct evidence...This is all happening under the wit and wisdom of one British moderator named James Gordon and his entirely British sensibility of persecuting the best and brightest and promoting fools and quacks:



https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t2500-where-are-the-pipes-and-the-sink-doyle#37951

[Scrum Drum]

On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:28:42 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:

Bart Kamp attacked Barry Ernest on ROKC:



" Next thing the first episode of the documentary brings up is Oswald’s alibi and I can only conclude that the makers make a whopper of a mistake by solely relying on the research of Barry Ernest and that is just not good enough. Perhaps ten years ago it may have carried some weight, but not any more. Plus if you can go all guns blazing on the autopsy related matters and bring a set of researchers forward then why not on Oswald’s last 46 hours. In the last ten years there has been a wagon load of new evidence brought up. This website digs a lot deeper than what Ernest wrote and a huge opportunity to set the record straight was missed. I am not sure whether this is because certain politics are being played in the background and only put forward a theory which many older conspiracy theorists have subscribed and cemented themselves to. This is something an uber liar like Will Fritz and fellow law enforcement personnel have put forward and has been a ‘belief’ of these conspiracy theorists ever since. There is a ton of evidence which disputes this lunchroom encounter ever happening. Furthermore there is nothing put forward with regards Oswald’s interrogations and the reports thereof and where and what he was doing during these crucial moments of the JFK Assassination. The job done on this segment of the documentary is a letdown, to say the least. I wish to make clear that I am not putting myself forward as someone that should have been part of this documentary. I will be doing my own thing later this year. The case I have to present will be multi faceted and would not stand a chance, due to time constraints, on a platform as this docu. "



This is part of Kamp's review of Oliver Stone's "JFK Revisited" documentary...He criticizes Stone for not including his garbage claim that the Lunch Room Encounter never happened...


Kamp is an asshole and delinquent punk...He is attacking Ernest, Stone, and DiEugenio here because they gave his crazy claim that the Lunch Room Encounter never happened about as much attention as it deserves - which is none...Kamp is so reliant on censoring and banning that he actually deludes himself that his lunatic fringe claim that the Lunch Room Encounter never happened is real and is being unfairly denied...He has a bunch of automatically-agreeing yes-men knuckleheads over on ROKC agreeing...


Bart is too full of himself and delusional to realize that the reason DiEugenio did not recommend Kamp's Lunch Room Hoax theory to Stone is because DiEugenio knew it was garbage...Kamp places the ROKC troll farm with its idiots, lunatics, and mob-like hacks above the venerated, credible researcher Barry Ernest and says Stone dropped the ball...


Stone didn't drop the ball...What happened was DiEugenio did not want to threaten Stone's production by harming it with the ROKC nut farm...This was not due to dogma on the behalf of old researchers...It was due to DiEugenio's awareness that Kamp and his nut site are not credible and not to be entered amongst serious research...

[John Corbett]

This is all about which faction of wackos has the nuttiest theory. There is one right answer
and it's the one the WC arrived at in September 1964. Everything else has been a fruitless
snipe hunt.

[David Healy]

Lone Neuter's ought to be grateful! Grateful old Scrum Drum hasn't taken on actual WCR findings and conclusions... which would lead most reasonable lurkers to assume daSCRUM_DRUM is nothing more than a 2nd year Marquett'en doing .john mcadam's bidding. Scrummy is hearing whispers from *purgatory*

-- so sit Corbett, be entertained, but we must tell you, Parker took Scrum's cherry a long, long time ago...

[Scrum Drum]

The reason Healy is answering Corbett is because he isn't capable of honestly answering me directly...


Healy is a social media booby and simply posts according to the clique and its favorites...He just backed the notorious lunatic evidence-hacker Greg Parker which says all you need to know about him...


Any intelligent lurker who sees my input knows I am a rock solid CT-er who has to correct the idiotic research of poseurs and incompetent hacks like Bart Kamp...Those boobies hunt in packs and they don't tolerate their crap being refuted...


Because Healy has his lips firmly planted on the butts of those main research frauds he is unable to bring himself to admit that the reason DiEugenio stayed miles away from Parker's Prayer Man and Lunch Room stuff is because he knew it was crap...

[David Healy]

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:39:13 AM UTC-8, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 1:05:22 PM UTC-5, David Healy wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:50:15 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote:
> > > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:36:42 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:28:42 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > Lone Neuter's ought to be grateful! Grateful old Scrum Drum hasn't taken on actual WCR findings and conclusions... which would lead most reasonable lurkers to assume daSCRUM_DRUM is nothing more than a 2nd year Marquett'en doing .john mcadam's bidding. Scrummy is hearing whispers from *purgatory*
> >
> > -- so sit Corbett, be entertained, but we must tell you, Parker took Scrum's cherry a long, long time ago...
> The reason Healy is answering Corbett is because he isn't capable of honestly answering me directly...
>
>
> Healy is a social media booby and simply posts according to the clique and its favorites...He just backed the notorious lunatic evidence-hacker Greg Parker which says all you need to know about him...
>
>
> Any intelligent lurker who sees my input knows I am a rock solid CT-er who has to correct the idiotic research of poseurs and incompetent hacks like Bart Kamp...Those boobies hunt in packs and they don't tolerate their crap being refuted...
>

intelligent lurkers aren't looking for blowhards, nor braggarts... you are noise, son... hence, you're dismissed.

[Scrum Drum]

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 1:04:06 AM UTC-5, David Healy wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:39:13 AM UTC-8, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 1:05:22 PM UTC-5, David Healy wrote:
> > > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:50:15 AM UTC-8, John Corbett wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:36:42 AM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:28:42 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:





> >
> intelligent lurkers aren't looking for blowhards, nor braggarts... you are noise, son... hence, you're dismissed.

You're a name-caller Healy who is flagrantly ignoring the point here because you know you can't answer it...As soon as you assassination social media clique members were forced to operate under credible moderation you would blow away like the pathetic boobies you are...The point stands that the only reason Bart Kamp is allowed to continue to defy proven evidence and mislead the research community that Prayer Man is Oswald and the Lunch Room Encounter is a hoax is because of a booby friend's network that is the real structure and motivation of the research community while that criminal fraud Gordon gets away with the murder of presenting himself as a credible academic moderator who judges content based on research merit...Jim DiEugenio knows god-damned well that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton because he admitted it to me on Facebook but then let me get banned without saying a word because Jim is a dirty scumbag and that's how he deals with people who disprove him...He lets his idiot ass-kissers like yourself troll and ban them to death as long as he can push everyone else off the web-page...Deep down Jim is a click-count troll...

A smart psychologist would see that Kamp doesn't directly mention Prayer Man in his critique of DiEugenio is because he knows, sub-consciously, that Prayer Man is Stanton and is conducting denial in order to avoid admitting he is an idiot who wasted the entire community's time with a silly theory...That's the real reason I am banned and there's a hot place waiting in hell for that British asshole Gordon, who has a permanent spot open for you on the Education Forum because he knows you will serve him and his dishonesty...

[Scrum Drum]

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:39:05 AM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 1:04:06 AM UTC-5, David Healy wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:39:13 AM UTC-8, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 1:05:22 PM UTC-5, David Healy wrote:

Kamp has posted a rather moronic entry on his Prayer Man website trying to deny the proven fact that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...


In that entry Kamp claims he has already proven Stanton's location on the front steps...Kamp is lying here...He has not proven Stanton's location...What Kamp did was desperately pick two random women a few steps down on the steps and tried to pass them off as Stanton...This whole business is just too stupid for words...The Prayer Man groups hijacking of the JFK internet is so complete that Kamp is allowed to get away with silly offerings like this that anyone else would be sent to the Cinque hamper for...


3 years ago Kamp chose a random woman 3 steps down on the west side of the steps as Stanton...Recently Kamp came out with a new location, placing Stanton 3 steps down on the east side of the steps...I publicly challenged Kamp to please explain why he changed Stanton's location?...After all, if he has now chosen a new location that means the previous one was wrong...Kamp has never made any attempt to answer why he changed locations for Stanton and what logic it was based on because he knows he's just pulling those claims out of his ass and doesn't really believe it himself...Kamp does this because he knows that any dog shit he lays on the sidewalk will be enthusiastically accepted by the Prayer Man group no matter how bad its internal flaws are...The morons on ROKC praised and approved Kamp's first choice on the west side of the steps...And they equally, moronically, approved Kamp's new location on the east side of the steps, while never once asking Kamp why he changed locations or what logic it was based on...I'm sure the ignorant twit Kathy Beckett would defend Kamp on this...


We have already debated this on this board and Kamp saw it, but, exactly like his trolling Modus Operandi, Kamp ignored my shredding of it and is back again a few months later re-posting the same bullshit...I have already pointed-out to Kamp repeatedly that his own research placed Stanton up on the landing platform at the time of Darnell...Not only did all the witnessing place Stanton up on the landing platform at the time of Darnell but Stanton herself said she could not see the limousine at the time of the shots...If the idiot extraordinaire Kamp would care to bother he would see that Prayer Man is blocked by the west wall of the portal and cannot see the limo in Altgens at the time of the shots...This is the same Prayer Man that Chris Davidson showed had Sarah Stanton's face in Wiegman...So while Sarah herself is saying she couldn't see the limousine, both of Kamp's false choices for Stanton can both easily see the limousine...


Buell Frazier said that he and Sarah "Were deepest in to the shadows on the front steps"...Both of Kamp's idiotic choices for Stanton were out in bright sun...If you look at Prayer Man she is deepest in to the shadows in the west side of the portal...I posted this a few weeks ago on this site...Kamp totally ignored it and made no effort to answer any of its damning points...(In case people need this explained to them, Kamp has no interest in the correct evidence and is never going to admit he gambled his entire research reputation on a bogus theory)...Lovelady also firmly placed Stanton "Next to him at the far right of the entranceway when the limo passed" where the Hughes Film shows Prayer Man and Wiegman has Stanton's face on Prayer Man 9 seconds after Hughes...


In any case, Kamp's new pathetic entry on his Prayer Man site still hasn't answered the challenge to show Stanton to Frazier's left in Altgens and Wiegman...Kamp is using Greg Parker' dishonest technique of responding to evidence that disproves him by asking an aggressive question...Greg does this so he hopes you don't notice he is ducking your proof...Kamp is diverting to this retarded point about Prayer Man's wrist because he's hoping you don't notice that he flagrantly failed to answer my challenge to post the Altgens and Wiegman Z255 images that prove Stanton is not to Frazier's left...Kamp failed to do that because he knows damned-well that they prove Stanton is not to Frazier's left...And if Stanton is not to Frazier's left then she's to his right where Davidson showed Stanton's face on Prayer Man in Wiegman...Kamp is ignoring that too...

[robert johnson]

I bet Kamp, when or if he reads this, is laughing his ass off right there and then.

[Scrum Drum]

You are a troll who is too demented, too stupid, and too bent on denial to answer the direct points of evidence in my last post...


The only reason you exist is because there is a huge double standard on the JFK internet over Prayer Man and no credible moderation...


I'll bet you can't credibly answer the evidence I posted because you are an ignorable demented troll...

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, Tropp...@aol.com wrote:
> Over on ROKC Bart Kamp has entered another one of his crowning stupidities called research...This is what Kamp does...He enters entirely ignorant "gotcha" posts where he thinks his cited reference is a slam dunk that disproves his opponent when all it really is is confirmation of Kamp's stupidity and inability to correctly interpret Kennedy Assassination evidence...In the attached link Kamp posts Malcolm Blunt's copy of the FBI file on Ralph Yates and thinks it is an end-all that finally proves Yates was crazy and therefore not legitimate...Because Kamp posts on Greg Parker's cult forum no one points-out to him that he is taking a hard core Lone Nutter stance against one of the worst victims of the assassination and therefore betraying his position as a so-called CT-er...You see Greg is such a blowhard and Kamp is so stupid that they don't register the violation their idiotic research commits, and therein is the danger of ROKC and its fractured members...
>
> Kamp is so dumb that he doesn't fathom that he is quoting the people doing the cover-up when he directly quotes FBI in their attack on Ralph Yates...Parker is so cowardly and dishonest that he has banned anyone who is competent enough to call Kamp on this on the ROKC board...ROKC's members are pathetic weasels whose idiotic opinions can only gain the appearance of credibility by banning anyone who is smart enough to correctly take it to Kamp and his stupid reliance on the word of the offenders in the form of his unquestioning quotation of FBI...Kamp's post is answered with one-liner back slaps all praising his claim and in the process missing its dangerous flaws...
>
> Kamp is too dumb and too incompetent a researcher to realize that the words used in the FBI report he posts actually prove my point and work against his and Parker's interpretation...If you read the FBI report on Ralph Yates Kamp posted it says he "Showed no emotional response" to the questions FBI asked him...Kamp is too dumb to realize that a lie detector registers lies as having a detectable emotional response that is detected by the sensors and registered as a wavy line on the paper chart...A person who isn't lying shows "no emotional response" and therefore shows a smooth, unwavy line on the paper read-out...
>
> Because Kamp is a dog-shit stupid researcher and Greg Parker Wizard Of Oz Winged Monkey ROKC site member he fails to register that what FBI was saying there in the report he posted was that Yates passed the lie detector test that asked him if he picked-up an Oswald look-alike...When FBI uses the squirrely wording "showed no emotional response" they are indirectly saying he showed he wasn't lying...FBI is using dishonest wording there because they are trying to make a man who passed his lie detector test on something very dangerous look like he is crazy...Being a Parker cult member Kamp does what is regularly done on Parker's troll farm and comes in against the victim using the direct quotes of the conspirators and operates ass-backwards according to Conspiracy research without even detecting the serious violation...Talk about dumb...
>
> Like Parker Kamp just flat-out ignores that FBI told Yates they were committing him to a mental hospital because he had passed his lie detector test with flying colors...Kamp conveniently left that out of his post...FBI used the logic that since Oswald was at work when Yates witnessed his Oswald hitch-hiking and asking if Kennedy could be shot from a high building, that therefore Yates was insane because the test showed he actually believed it...Yates had witnessed something dangerous so the FBI needed to get him off the streets and away from any interviewers...That is the context of what is seen in the FBI report Kamp posts...Kamp of course is so stupid that he suggests it shows Yates was crazy and therefore his story wasn't credible...The correct interpretation shows the opposite and backs Yates and his witnessing of an Oswald double trying to frame Harvey...
>
> Jim DiEugenio gives credit and praise to ROKC, Kamp, and Parker...He comes in on the side dubious pro Lone Nut researchers like Kamp and Parker and their dubious work like what Kamp is offering here just like he did against Pitzer and Janney etc...Jim and Kamp are protected from criticism of offerings like this by favoring moderators who label their critics as "attackers" offering intolerable input and using that false accusation to ignore their credible refutation of idiotic claims like this one...Those crony moderators then ban those correct critics:
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rt6pNiDzFNsF9qqcmiahUM1nR7ln5vv1/view

I see to what the topic post refers, now, and Bart Kamp doesn't really make any kind of argument: he just presents some documents. Bart is doing what he does best, the archivist thing. https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t2158-raph-leon-yates-like-doyle-batshit-crazy But here, at least, he does not present any of the 1963 documents. Anybody looking for the truth ought to examine all of the Yates documents. This guy was holding down a job at the time of the assassination. He did refrigeration repairs, drove a truck and was sent out on jobs all by himself. He was not the apparent raving loon we see in January, 1964. Bart is not being fair to Yates in what little he does say. This is certainly no "anatomy paper."

[Scrum Drum]

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, Tropp...@aol.com wrote:




>
> I see to what the topic post refers, now, and Bart Kamp doesn't really make any kind of argument: he just presents some documents. Bart is doing what he does best, the archivist thing. https://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t2158-raph-leon-yates-like-doyle-batshit-crazy But here, at least, he does not present any of the 1963 documents. Anybody looking for the truth ought to examine all of the Yates documents. This guy was holding down a job at the time of the assassination. He did refrigeration repairs, drove a truck and was sent out on jobs all by himself. He was not the apparent raving loon we see in January, 1964. Bart is not being fair to Yates in what little he does say. This is certainly no "anatomy paper."

Jim DiEugenio has an achilles heel...When nuts like Kamp undermine real conspiracy events he either takes their side or stays dishonestly quiet and doesn't apply his usual skill at their denial of people like Yates, or Janney...Jim is a political bastard...A demagogue...A good example is DiEugenio admitted to me on Facebook that I had proven Prayer Man was Sarah Stanton but now that I've had a personal destruction campaign aimed at me by that bozo Gordon, and the scene is safe, he's right back to agreeing with the idiots that Prayer Man can still be proven to be Oswald...Gordon is just there to make their goofy hypocrisies and stupidities easier while stealing their donations...

[robert johnson]

You are ranting in a pretty disturbing way Doyle.
Have a pill or two.

[Scrum Drum]

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, Tropp...@aol.com wrote:

In response to the newly-emerging evidence of Sarah Stanton's dress neckline that Kamp himself posted on his Prayer Man website Kamp wrote:



" The stupidity on display by the speculating twats at EF is mind boggling. I thought that the PM thread a couple of months was bad. But the recent posted shit takes the biscuit. Doyle seems to have many 'relatives' over there.
They ignore the most basic things and run amok with stuff they think (!) they can see, no wonder nothing gets solved and also why this case will go nowhere while you have people like Pat Speer posting their opinion(s). His 'research' is diabolical.
I was tempted to go back six weeks ago, but there is no chance in hell I will do that nor will I respond on my website about that dreck as it is a complete waste of time. "



Translation: " I cannot make any respectful intelligent comments towards the new science-backed evidence that Sarah Stanton's dress neckline was visible on Prayer Man in Darnell so I will try to self-excuse and ignore it "...


If this new evidence is real it shows Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man...


It also shows Sarah's dress flaring outward as it goes down towards her feet and conclusively settles the issue more than we already have...


Because Kamp is such a credible researcher he's going to be fair and request that the 6th Floor Museum copy be scanned to see if it can further elucidate this...

[robert johnson]

Hold on a minute, I thought that useless mofo Richard Gilbride had a still copy of that 6FM film.
You DID say that Brian or did you lie again?!
So where is it?
Just show it so them tits get finally displayed.

[Scrum Drum]

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-4, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, Tropp...@aol.com wrote:

Kamp wrote:



" Still no tits, just nutcase self centered drivelling word salads. "



In the Prayer Man-hijacked world of JFK research you can just say "word salad" and it is good enough to ignore commonly-accepted scientific evidence that is acknowledged by the rest of the research community...


That community has no problem with Gordon publicly, sadistically, intellectually, mangling the researcher who pressed this correct evidence with barbaric banning and censorship...No problem at all that Gordon intellectually cut the arms off that researcher and cut his tongue out Belgian-style in Africa...No problem what so ever and the one guy with the best grip on this evidence is the guy they pretend isn't horrifically missing from this evidence that does nothing but vindicate him...


These are motherfuckers who stand by and say nothing while a sadistic scumbag cuts the tongue out of the best researcher on the subject...

[Scrum Drum]

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:50:15 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:

Kamp just wrote on ROKC:



" Yes
The diff being I saw it and he has not, everything he has posted is based on hearsay from someone who saw it as well and who shall not be named.

There were things that showed a bit better than the Stone docu version from 1992.
Such as:
Body outline which shows that Oswald is not a short blonde heavy set woman.
Sarah Stanton is the blonde woman on the east side of the steps
The woman at the bottom on the left side of the steps looking west.
Other than that so far there is nothing else to share. "



I guarantee that if I see Speer's secret image that it will show all the features of Sarah Stanton that are visible in the existing images...Like Sarah's 5 foot 4 height that the Prayer Man cheerleaders are trying to ignore...Like Stanton's obese forearm, hands, and hips...Like Stanton's dress neck-line and buttons etc...


"Body outline"???...It has long been proven that Prayer Man is too wide to be Oswald, as seen in Prayer Man's wide woman's hips...Prayer Man is exactly Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...Yesterday Chris Davidson photo-shopped Oswald's bust on to Prayer Man and you could visibly see Oswald's body outline was 2/3rd's as wide as Prayer Man's...(That's because Prayer Man is the obese Sarah Stanton)...


Kamp is lying...He has already had it explained to him repeatedly that the woman he randomly selected three steps down on the east side of the steps cannot possibly be Stanton because Frazier made it more that clear that he and Stanton were "Deepest in to the shadows on the front steps"...Kamp's false choice is in full bright sun...Stanton made it clear that she could not see the Limousine at the time of the shots...Kamp's random choice has a full view of the limo...Kamp ignores that Lovelady put Stanton exactly in the Prayer Man spot when he told the Commission that Stanton was "Next to me to the far right of the entranceway"...The Hughes Film confirms this when it shows Prayer Man right behind Lovelady to the far right of the entranceway when the Limousine passed...Stanton is not seen in the place Kamp has her in Altgens or Z255 Wiegman...These people are the kind of degenerate internet idiots who would hold up the entire research community by trying to ignore Sarah Stanton's plainly-visible face on Prayer Man in Davidson's enhancement (that these assholes use banning, censorship, and a dirty moderator to avoid displaying)...


Kamp is lying here, which tells you what kind of a degenerate creep he is...He's doing it because he's desperate to avoid admitting that Prayer Man has already long been repeatedly proven to be Stanton...He's a punk whose too scummy to admit he's wrong...

[robert johnson]

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 6:20:43 PM UTC+1, Tropp...@aol.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:50:15 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:39:33 AM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> Kamp just wrote on ROKC:
>
>
>
> " Yes
> The diff being I saw it and he has not, everything he has posted is based on hearsay from someone who saw it as well and who shall not be named.
>
> There were things that showed a bit better than the Stone docu version from 1992.
> Such as:
> Body outline which shows that Oswald is not a short blonde heavy set woman.
> Sarah Stanton is the blonde woman on the east side of the steps
> The woman at the bottom on the left side of the steps looking west.
> Other than that so far there is nothing else to share. "
>
>
>
> I guarantee that if I see Speer's secret image that it will show all the features of Sarah Stanton that are visible in the existing images...Like Sarah's 5 foot 4 height that the Prayer Man cheerleaders are trying to ignore...Like Stanton's obese forearm, hands, and hips...Like Stanton's dress neck-line and buttons etc...
>
>
> "Body outline"???...It has long been proven that Prayer Man is too wide to be Oswald, as seen in Prayer Man's wide woman's hips...Prayer Man is exactly Sarah Stanton's 5 foot 4 height...Yesterday Chris Davidson photo-shopped Oswald's bust on to Prayer Man and you could visibly see Oswald's body outline was 2/3rd's as wide as Prayer Man's...(That's because Prayer Man is the obese Sarah Stanton)...
>
>

> Kamp is lying...He has already had it explained to him repeatedly that the woman he randomly selected three steps down on the east side of the steps c!!!not possibly be Stanton because Frazier made it more that clear that he and Stanton were "Deepest in to the shadows on the front steps"...Kamp's false choice is in full bright sun...Stanton made it clear that she could not see the Limousine at the time of the shots...Kamp's random choice has a full view of the limo...Kamp ignores that Lovelady put Stanton exactly in the Prayer Man spot when he told the Commission that Stanton was "Next to me to the far right of the entranceway"...The Hughes Film confirms this when it shows Prayer Man right behind Lovelady to the far right of the entranceway when the Limousine passed...Stanton is not seen in the place Kamp has her in Altgens or Z255 Wiegman...These people are the kind of degenerate internet idiots who would hold up the entire research community by trying to ignore Sarah Stanton's plainly-visible face on Prayer Man in Davidson's enhancement (that these assholes use banning, censorship, and a dirty moderator to avoid displaying)...

>
>
> Kamp is lying here, which tells you what kind of a degenerate creep he is...He's doing it because he's desperate to avoid admitting that Prayer Man has already long been repeatedly proven to be Stanton...He's a punk whose too scummy to admit he's wrong...

I have seen Kamp produce more evidence in a day than you have in all these years! Stanton is not in A6 because she is hidden behind the SS agents end of!!
And everyone knows who is the liar here, you have thousands of them to your name already, PROVEN ones not wishy washy nutcase ones. Go get your disability pay and don't forget your anti-nutcase pills either. We know what happens when you do not get them!!!

[robert johnson]

Oh and those Prayer MAN pix are garbage quality, but they do show a slim person not someone who is obese! Oh and address that wig if you care to explain. I read and heard you mentioned that she was wearing it for professional reasons. GTFO
Just another lame fed excuse to get these Daniels women on your side, but they never were.
You fucked yourself with that shitty interview.

Again you lose!!!!!

[robert johnson]

You hear me? You lose Doyle.
CHECKMATE MOTHERFUCKER!!!

[Brian Doyle]

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 1:20:43 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:50:15 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:

" Let's pack up this forum and all join the EF and speculate about all the other trivial matters, no doubt we will be received with open arms to join their valuable discussions...... "



No Bart, let's use this forum to troll the rest of the serious JFK internet by means of that lunatic fantasist Greg Parker and his pack of winged monkey bullies...We'll use ROKC to ignore the evidence that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton and still push an already-disproven theory even 7 years after Davidson refuted it...

[Sky Throne 19efppp]

Bart will be presenting at the Lancer conference in November. Wouldn't it be nice if you were in the audience!

[robert johnson]

You hear me Doyle? Of course not. You wannabe deaf cunt!

Ohhhh Kamp presenting at Lancer?
He will crush you if you are there. This is something I wanna watch!

His book will be out soon and I for one cannot wait to read it as he will crush you and your retarded beliefs and then some.
No doubt you and DICK Gilbride will leave one star reviews filled with bullshit and garbage. Only out of spite since your argumentation and evidence has been shit from the word go.

Hand me the details of your siblings Doyle, I think I want to speak to them as I am really concerned for your wellbeing.
Popping all these pills and whatnot.

CHECKMATE MOTHERFUCKER!!!

[Brian Doyle]

On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:46:02 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:

> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 1:20:43 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:50:15 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 12:03:13 PM UTC-4, Scrum Drum wrote:

No one is honest enough on Greg Parker's ROKC troll farm to ask why infamous Prayer Man hoax researcher Bart Kamp doesn't chime in in the thread about the woman's dress neckline on Prayer Man in Darnell...

Kamp doesn't respond because he knows him and his idiotic Prayer Man theory are sunk and he doesn't dare comment because he knows the clear Darnell frame shows a woman's dress neckline on Prayer Man...

Look at open ROKC member and shill Sandy Larsen going over to that troll forum and asking for help...

The current research community is so dumb and so lacking in credibility that they don't ask why Kamp doesn't come forward and explain where he got that high resolution image of Darnell...

No one is honest enough to point-out that you can see Sarah Stanton's wide hips in that same high resolution image...

These are dirty bastards who use banning and censorship to avoid answering what they know refutes them...

Car wash video takes Kamp's King with scoop neckline - CHECKMATE...

What idiots...

[Greg Parker]

> Sienzant

Gesundheit!

Look, I'm sorry that you seem to have taken the snotty-nosed kid affliction well into adulthood, but picking on Brian is no way to balance the ledger.

In any case, he is not your property. His ass belongs to ROKC so leave him the fuck alone.

[Greg Parker]

On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 5:43:22 PM UTC+11, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 9:32:28 PM UTC, Hank Sienzant wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 1:32:22 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 12:40:53 PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:

> > > > On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:43:01 PM UTC-5, Scrum Drum wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Like Parker Kamp just flat-out ignores that FBI told Yates they were committing him to a mental hospital because he had passed his lie detector test with flying colors...Kamp conveniently left that out of his post...FBI used the logic that since Oswald was at work when Yates witnessed his Oswald hitch-hiking and asking if Kennedy could be shot from a high building, that therefore Yates was insane because the test showed he actually believed it...Yates had witnessed something dangerous so the FBI needed to get him off the streets and away from any interviewers...That is the context of what is seen in the FBI report Kamp posts...Kamp of course is so stupid that he suggests it shows Yates was crazy and therefore his story wasn't credible...The correct interpretation shows the opposite and backs Yates and his witnessing of an Oswald double trying to frame Harvey...
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > > And you know your interpretation is the right one because?
> > > > >
> > > Because it fits the evidence you are ignoring and trolling...It figures a Lone Nutter like yourself would defend Kamp and Parker...
> > You must have me confused with two other people. I defended neither. I merely asked you a question.
> > > I guess you instinctively defend people who argue a Lone Nutter position like Kamp and Greg...You failed to answer the point that it is incredibly dumb for Kamp to miss the point that "No emotional response" is a euphemism for "No indication of lying"
> > According to whom? You do understand that there’s a reason lie detector tests are not admissible in court, right?
> > > and that FBI avoided using wording that would evidence the fact Yates passed his lie detector test and therefore proved he was telling the truth about seeing an Oswald look-alike...
> > If we credit the lie detector test - which its inadmissibility tells us not to - it only tells what Yates believed to be true, not what is true. Yates could have picked up someone else and after the assassination believed it to be Oswald. That doesn’t make it Oswald, anymore than the sighting of Brian Laundrie or of Elvis after their respective deaths makes those sightings true.
> > > The bottom line is Kamp fails to answer for his deliberate misinterpretation of the evidence or quoting FBI's smearing of Yates that was used to deny his witnessing...In effect Kamp takes the side of, and uses the exact same dishonest methods as, FBI in their criminal denial of Yates and his witnessing and therefore betrays good CT research in order to paint a wrong picture of Yates...Make no mistake - FBI used the wording "No emotional response" because they were trying to make it look like Yates' craziness was responsible for his passing the test...Kamp dishonestly omits that FBI told Yates directly that he passed his lie detector test with flying colors and it therefore proved he was insane because Oswald was at work...
> > According to whom did this transpire this way?
> > > Gordon then helps DiEugenio avoid honestly answering why he then gives approval to this bogus researcher Kamp...
> > >
> > > Parker knew Yates had passed his lie detector test and witnessed something real so he went to his usual bag of tricks and claimed Larry Crafard was a one-size-fits-all stand-in that could be used as an excuse any time the evidence showed there was a second Oswald...
> > Whatever happened to the simple possibility of mistaken identity?
> >
> > How do you narrow it down to Crafard o4 Oswald as the only possibilities?
> > > Parker claimed Yates passed his lie detector test because the person pretending to be Oswald was Crafard, but Scheim pointed-out that Crafard was missing his front teeth at the time and it would have been unlikely that Yates would have missed that...It is obvious to any intelligent person with common sense that Parker was only claiming Yates saw Crafard because he knew Yates' witnessing was real and he needed an excuse fast...And the Education Forum is OK with that even though it is obviously just crazy Greg pulling that out of his ass...I'm sure if research was done back then you would find that Crafard was provably somewhere else when Greg has him doing all this stand-in work for Lee impersonating Harvey...
> > The only possibilities are not Crafard or Oswald.
> > >
> > > By the time all this trolling is finished Kamp, Parker, and the trolls all fail to answer how Larry Crafard got away with walking a rifle wrapped in brown paper up to the Depository, where Yates last saw him headed, with his missing teeth and explaining why a person with no relation to the Depository was bringing a rifle there?...
> > Is all this confirmed, and if so, how? What other people confirm anyone was seen with a long package that morning?
> > >Again, lying Greg knows he's in trouble with this so he turns up the lying and says Crafard went to the Carousel Club after Yates dropped him off...But Greg ignores that Yates passed a lie detector test where he described Oswald walking towards the front entrance of the Book Depository with that brown paper package after he dropped him off...
> > Sigh. Again, a lie detector result is not admissible and even if it was, it does not determine what happened. It can at best only determine what is believed to have happened.
> > > And when you press Greg on that he refuses to answer because Greg thinks the whole world is ROKC and he can just ignore whomever he likes...Especially when he can't answer for his easily swiss-cheesed bullshit...

> > > > > Jim DiEugenio gives credit and praise to ROKC, Kamp, and Parker...He comes in on the side dubious pro Lone Nut researchers like Kamp and Parker and their dubious work like what Kamp is offering here just like he did against Pitzer and Janney etc...Jim and Kamp are protected from criticism of offerings like this by favoring moderators who label their critics as "attackers" offering intolerable input and using that false accusation to ignore their credible refutation of idiotic claims like this one...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > > My irony meter just broke.
> > > You're trolling Hank...You've publicly failed to answer all the main points I made - which is a sign of their veracity...
> > Sigh. That’s the logical fallacy of attempting to shift the burden of proof. I have no burden to disprove your contentions. I did question your assertions, you have provided no reasons to accept them - just more repetition of the claims.
> > >
> > >
> > > FBI murdered a witness to the second Oswald
> > Not everyone saying they saw Elvis or Brian Laundrie actually saw either. Most in fact did not. The same with Oswald. You appear to believe these kinds of sightings are somehow sacrosanct and above reproach, and take it a step further and believe these sightings are evidence of an Oswald double. That would imply an Elvis double and a Brian Laundrie double as well.
> > > by means of Gestapo/KGB-like mental commitment because his witnessing was highly dangerous to their cover-up...
> > Begged.
> > > This idiot Kamp then comes in on the side of the FBI against one of the most important witnesses for the conspiracy >
> > Begged.
> > > and dummies like Jim D give approval and nutrition to some of the craziest, most damaging Fetzer-like trolls on the Kennedy internet...
> > I think you might be overlooking one crazy troll, but that’s just my opinion.
> >
> > I am fully expecting you to call me a liar and an idiot and a troll. Don’t disappoint by actually addressing any of my points. That would too un-CT-like.
> That's right, Scrum Drum. How do you narrow it down to Crafard and Oswald?

Crafard was often misremembered as being Oswald and he did hang around at Ruby's apartment and was a known hitch-hiker..

> It could have been anybody picked up by Yates in Oak Cliff

Anybody that was routinely misremembered as Oswald and known to hang around Oak Cliff.

> and dropped off at the TSBD

Nope. Carousel where business was consummated.

> who was talking about shooting the president from a building

A conversation started not by Crafard but by Yates.

> and the overpass

The overpass was never mentioned.

> and who had a package of "curtain rods" big enough to be a rifle and a Backyard Photo to boot.

Before any of that was in the public domain, Yates had only mentioned a package, otherwise not described.

> Anybody at all. It might have been Kate Smith or Sarah Stanton. What makes you think it had anything to do with Oswald?

A deep-seated desire to become one of the Conspiracracy Elites.

[Brian Doyle]

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:25:29 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 5:43:22 PM UTC+11, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 9:32:28 PM UTC, Hank Sienzant wrote:
>

Just like his Lumpkin lie, Parker is trying to ignore that Scheim discovered that Crafard had his front teeth missing at this time and therefore would not be mistaken for the Oswald double Lee...

Parker is trying to switch the subject here...

Parker is trying to avoid answering why Kamp is staying conspicuously out of the discussion about the new woman's neckline evidence in Darnell...So is that dishonest asshole Jim DiEugenio who recently pronounced that "Prayer Man was not Sarah Stanton" but then stays dishonestly quiet when the evidence comes out that proves she is...Jim is well known for not being able to admit it when he's wrong...He has an ego as big as his big fat ass cheeks that serve as warm sanctuary for his sycophants...

Parker won't explain why Kamp doesn't share his source for that sharp version of Darnell...Kamp somehow did not choose that image or Davidson in Wiegman for the cover of his book...He is noticeably absent from discussion over the woman's neckline...

Greg is an asshole and troll who reserves the right to ignore evidence that refutes him and troll in response...Such a person should not be given any presence in the credible research community...

If the Education Forum had any credibility or decency they would do a shake-up and ban those assholes Gordon, Beckett, and Knight who are masquerading as credible moderators...No word from them on their mis-moderation over Prayer Man and banning of the innocent...

[Brian Doyle]

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 9:18:10 AM UTC-4, Brian Doyle wrote:
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 11:25:29 PM UTC-4, Greg Parker wrote:
> > On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 5:43:22 PM UTC+11, Sky Throne 19efppp wrote:

Do the people on the Education Forum really believe that Bart Kamp can't see that clearly visible woman's dress neckline on Prayer Man in his sharp copy of Darnell?...


Greg clearly saw it as he made clear by posting that he never really claimed Oswald was Prayer Man...


What is Greg really saying there?...


Kamp is a punk and a troll...He's not a serious researcher...


He's the kind of idiot who keeps pushing Oswald as Prayer Man right in the face of a clear image that shows a woman's dress neckline on Prayer Man...