Re: New Essay - Breakability: CE-399 and the Diminishing Velocity Theory
tomnln
The "Adversary Procedure" is what make the U S A the Greatest Country in
the History of Mankind.
Unfortunately there are those among us who advocate the absence of the
Adversary procedure".
"Gerry Simone (H)" <newdec...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:449c...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
> I've got to see that show. Do you think they did a good job of simulating,
> since you've got your own experience with this?
>
> "Chad Zimmerman" <Doc...@cableone.net> wrote in message
> news:4499...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
>> The Discovery bullet hit TWO ribs and ONE wrist bone, breaking all three.
>>
>> Chad
>>
>> "Gerry Simone (O)" <newdec...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:449821c2$1...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu...
>>> Did the program test include hitting two bones or just a simulated rib
>>> bone?
>>>
>>> "chuck schuyler" <chu...@am-mtg.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1150757275.1...@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> John Hunt wrote:
>>>> > Breakability: CE-399 and the Diminishing Velocity Theory
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>> http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/Breakability/Breakability.htm
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > John Hunt
>>>>
>>>> I read your essay, and what amazes me is how different people can look
>>>> at the same evidence and come to different conclusions.
>>>>
>>>> I thought the Beyond The Magic Bullet program was an interesting, fresh
>>>> way of looking at the SBT again, using updated technology to help
>>>> accurately recreate the JFK/JBC non-fatal wounds. It helped make it
>>>> clear to me, IMO, that the SBT is a fact, not theory. The damage to the
>>>> sophisticated models employed, as well as to the bullet, was remarkably
>>>> similar to CE399. It certainly doesn't disprove the SBT.
>>>>
>>>> For years, we were told that a bullet doing the damage to two people
>>>> that CE399 is claimed to have caused would have been smashed beyond
>>>> recognition. This interesting program proved once and for all that the
>>>> ammo used 11-22 is entirely capable of penetrating two people and
>>>> emerging bent and flattened, but still recognizable-just like CE399.
>>>>
>>>> Advantage SBT!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Bud
tomnln wrote:
> NO show has any Validity without allowing for BOTH Sides of the issue.
You think the History Channel should start showing the Nazi point of
view?
Anthony Marsh
> NO show has any Validity without allowing for BOTH Sides of the issue.
>
I guess you'd include the latest Frontline shows about the war in Iraq in
which many CIA officers spoke publicly for the first time to give us their
first hand experience. What do you do when the people in charge of the
cover-up know they can't defend their position so they refuse to air their
side of the issue? Just refuse to air the information and perpetuate the
cover-up?
> The "Adversary Procedure" is what make the U S A the Greatest Country in
> the History of Mankind.
We are talking about investigative journalism, not a court of law.
Dr. Chad Zimmerman
Which one?
Why don't the CT's perform some testing of their own?
Chad
"tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7fYmg.22130$8q.17978@dukeread08...
Anthony Marsh
> So, you wanted them to test another hypothetical scenario?
>
> Which one?
>
> Why don't the CT's perform some testing of their own?
>
> Chad
We do. You have some suggestions? Shooting a turkey on a string and
noticing how it spins?
Chad Zimmerman
"Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ibydnQxnmN7rcgPZ...@comcast.com...
> Dr. Chad Zimmerman wrote:
>> So, you wanted them to test another hypothetical scenario?
>>
>> Which one?
>>
>> Why don't the CT's perform some testing of their own?
>>
>> Chad
>
> We do. You have some suggestions? Shooting a turkey on a string and
> noticing how it spins?
Of course, that wasn't the purpose of the experiment, Tony. The purpose was
to illustrate a concept
to Andrew Mason.
Chad
Anthony Marsh
> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ibydnQxnmN7rcgPZ...@comcast.com...
>> Dr. Chad Zimmerman wrote:
>>> So, you wanted them to test another hypothetical scenario?
>>>
>>> Which one?
>>>
>>> Why don't the CT's perform some testing of their own?
>>>
>>> Chad
>> We do. You have some suggestions? Shooting a turkey on a string and
>> noticing how it spins?
>
> Of course, that wasn't the purpose of the experiment, Tony. The purpose was
> to illustrate a concept
> to Andrew Mason.
>
Spin away, spin doctor. You wanted to show if a M-C bullet could thrust
JFK in any particular direction. Ballistic pendulum.
Chad Zimmerman
> Chad Zimmerman wrote:
>> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:ibydnQxnmN7rcgPZ...@comcast.com...
>>> Dr. Chad Zimmerman wrote:
>>>> So, you wanted them to test another hypothetical scenario?
>>>>
>>>> Which one?
>>>>
>>>> Why don't the CT's perform some testing of their own?
>>>>
>>>> Chad
>>> We do. You have some suggestions? Shooting a turkey on a string and
>>> noticing how it spins?
>>
>> Of course, that wasn't the purpose of the experiment, Tony. The purpose
>> was to illustrate a concept
>> to Andrew Mason.
>>
>
> Spin away, spin doctor. You wanted to show if a M-C bullet could thrust
> JFK in any particular direction. Ballistic pendulum.
Thank God you drive buses and aren't into reading minds or predicting
the future. The concept I was trying to illustrate to Andrew was that a
bullet
would probably not thrust JBC's arm, as he was trying to say occurred in the
Z270's.
That had nothing to do with JFK at the time. The result showed its initial
motion
to be towards the shooter when viewed frame by frame. The rotation occurred
after that initial motion.
Chad
Anthony Marsh
> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:99ednXJbDaKvHzzZ...@comcast.com...
>> Chad Zimmerman wrote:
>>> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ibydnQxnmN7rcgPZ...@comcast.com...
>>>> Dr. Chad Zimmerman wrote:
>>>>> So, you wanted them to test another hypothetical scenario?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't the CT's perform some testing of their own?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chad
>>>> We do. You have some suggestions? Shooting a turkey on a string and
>>>> noticing how it spins?
>>> Of course, that wasn't the purpose of the experiment, Tony. The purpose
>>> was to illustrate a concept
>>> to Andrew Mason.
>>>
>> Spin away, spin doctor. You wanted to show if a M-C bullet could thrust
>> JFK in any particular direction. Ballistic pendulum.
>
> Thank God you drive buses and aren't into reading minds or predicting
> the future. The concept I was trying to illustrate to Andrew was that a
> bullet
> would probably not thrust JBC's arm, as he was trying to say occurred in the
> Z270's.
>
You shoot a turkey to demonstrate movement of an arm?
> That had nothing to do with JFK at the time. The result showed its initial
> motion
> to be towards the shooter when viewed frame by frame. The rotation occurred
> after that initial motion.
>
The results showed no such thing. All it showed was the turkey being
spun around and the silliness of your test method.
Anthony Marsh
And a ballistic pendulum (which in essence is what you made) swings back
in the other direction after moving away initially from the weapon. Show
me any ballistic pendulum which moves initially toward the source of the
shot.
Herbert Blenner
During transit, your off-centered shot produced a torque, which
accelerated the turkey. This angular acceleration ceased with exit of
the bullet. However, the turkey continued to spin with its accumulated
angular speed for many frames afterwards.
Likewise the shot that entered the right rear of JFK's head, transited
the right side of his brain and exited the front right side of his head
produced two angular accelerations that continued until exit of the
bullet. Both accelerations imparted angular speeds to Kennedy's head.
Inertia would have nodded and simultaneously spun the head leftward
after exit of the bullet. These results are physically necessary
consequences of autopsy evidence. However, unlike your video of the
turkey shot, the Zapruder film records a partial reality. It shows the
nod without the spin.
No wonder they ignore your turkey shot; it is a clear and decisive
demonstration of why the medical evidence cannot stand with the
Zapruder film.
Herbert