Re: Discord and confusion in LN ranks
tomnln
"Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> tomnln wrote:
>> MIDDLE POST;
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>> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> tomnln wrote:
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>>>> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>> tomnln wrote:
>>>>>> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>> tomnln wrote:
>>>>>>> NOT possible Marsh;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 42 frames minimum required between shots.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> That was the assumption made by the WC. The HSCA postulated 30
>>>>>> frames.
>>>>>> CITATION PLEASE?
>>>>> Citation for what? Are you totally unfamiliar with both the WC and
>>>>> HSCA?
>>>>> The 42 frames came from a WC test that found that the fastest the
>>>>> rifle could be fired was 2 shots within 2.25 seconds. Times 18.3
>>>>> frames per second gives you the 42 frames. That is the math.
>>>>> Blakey of the HSCA (and others since) was able to fire a rifle with 2
>>>>> shots within 1.66 seconds. He needed to in order to validate the
>>>>> timing of the shots found on the tape, separated by 1.66 seconds.
>>>>> Times 18.3 frames per second gives you the 30 frames per second. This
>>>>> is simple math. If you can't do it in your head, you can use a
>>>>> calculator.
>>>> WRONG MARSH.
>>>> The HSCA determined that there was 1.66 seconds Between the sounds of 2
>>>> shots on the dictabelt.
>>>> THAT's why they found "Conspiracy"
>>>>
>>>> Because they KNEW that CE 139 was NOT capable of firing 2 shots within
>>>> 1.66 seconds.
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>> "Blakey himself did it"????
>> Citation Please?
>>
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> No citation coming. Go out and get the HSCA volumes yourself.
>
>> Name who "did it" with CE 139?
>
> No one did it with Oswald's rifle. It was in too bad a condition to test.
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>>> You are wrong as usual. Everyone assumed that the WC was correct and
>>> that the rifle could only be fired as quickly as 2 shots within 2.25
>>> seconds. They were very surprised by the acoustical findings, so Blakey
>>> tested it himself to make sure 2 shots within 1.66 seconds was
>>> technically possible. Other have since duplicated that time. You need to
>>> get up to date.
>>>
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>>>>>>> "Anthony Marsh" <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Barb Junkkarinen wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10 May 2006 00:25:32 -0400, Brandon Alexander
>>>>>>>> <bale...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 08 May 2006 11:08:37 -0700, Barb Junkkarinen
>>>>>>>>> <barbRE...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pretty much, me thinks, James. <g> IMO, anyone who puts forth
>>>>>>>>>> Rosemary
>>>>>>>>>> Willis as proof of anything is just parroting Posner sans
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>> evaluating her actions ...in context of her being a kid and it
>>>>>>>>>> being a
>>>>>>>>>> parade ... for themselves. If he thinks she came to a stop before
>>>>>>>>>> 195
>>>>>>>>>> it's a Posnerism ... and incorrect.
>>>>>>>>> Don't think I don't notice how you place your namesakes (Barb(s))
>>>>>>>>> towards me in misdirection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, I never said I hadn't read Posner. Nor have I ever said I
>>>>>>>>> agree
>>>>>>>>> with him by and large. But this is one point on which he happens
>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>> correct. If you can post some proof of why the Willis girl's
>>>>>>>>> reaction
>>>>>>>>> does not look like she heard something and stopped, go ahead.
>>>>>>>>> And you can send it directly to me.
>>>>>>>> Lucky me. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Below are snippets of posts I've done over the years where I
>>>>>>>> comment
>>>>>>>> on Rosemary Willis. I did an advanced google groups search with me
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> author .... easier than retyping it all. Bottomline, the Willis
>>>>>>>> girl
>>>>>>>> is a subjective barometer at best .... Posner got her stop wrong,
>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>> comes to a halt at 195 .... then she disappears from Z too quickly
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> see what she does next.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just cuz' you're special I'll e-mail this to you as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Barb :-)
>>>>>>>>> Al.
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> The running girl...Rosemary Willis...contrary to what Posner told
>>>>>>>> you (he's "convincing" too<g>), young Rosemary Willis was trotting
>>>>>>>> along looking to her right or over her right shoulder watching the
>>>>>>>> limo the entire time she is on the film. If she was reacting to a
>>>>>>>> shot circa 160, she was a very slow little girl...and I don't
>>>>>>>> believe that for a minute. She stopped at 195. That's 5 frames
>>>>>>>> after 190. SSA Hickey
>>>>>>> I agree with you in general, but I personally think the reaction is
>>>>>>> would have to be too quick for a shot at Z-190. I am more
>>>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>>> with a first shot miss at Z-180. That would place the second shot, a
>>>>>>> hit, at Z-210.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reacted at 195 too....that's when he started his turn yo his right.
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>> stated that when he heard a loud noise, he turned to his right to
>>>>>>>> see what was going on. Rosemary plants her last foot for ther last
>>>>>>>> time at
>>>>>>>> Z195. Sure, she was starting to slow down *a little bit* in frames
>>>>>>>> before that, but she was also running out of sidewalk and the limo
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> passing her by. When she did stop, she did look *back*....and
>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>> at the next car coming along in the motorcade. She did *not* look
>>>>>>>> up and across the street toward the TSBD. Rosemary was not
>>>>>>>> interviewed til years later. She was only 10 (or maybe even 9) at
>>>>>>>> the time....she was a kid watching a parade! I believe her father,
>>>>>>>> phil Willis, once stated that he was calling to her as well...so
>>>>>>>> there are multiple for reasons for her to have come to a
>>>>>>>> stop....but she didn't make any stop-type movements within reactive
>>>>>>>> time following 157-160.
>>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My personal take is that Rosemary Willis is subjective at best and
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> really all that useful in determining when shots were fired or
>>>>>>>> where they came from. But if an author, or anyone else, wants to
>>>>>>>> use her like she is some shooting barometer, then he best at least
>>>>>>>> get the known facts about her right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Posner writes that, "By frame 187, less than 1.5 seconds later, the
>>>>>>>> enhancement clearly shows she had stopped, twisted completely away
>>>>>>>> from the motorcade, and was staring at the School Book Depository."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This not factually correct ... and anyone can see that for
>>>>>>>> themselves in the Z-film. She plants her last foot for the last
>>>>>>>> time at Z195 ..... and where she is looking is subjective at best,
>>>>>>>> but to most she
>>>>>>>> does not appear to be looking up and across the street at the TSBD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Posner writes with a bit of finesse making it sound like
>>>>>>>> Rosemary Willis made these statements at or about the time of the
>>>>>>>> assassination. She was 10 then. These comments of hers were made in
>>>>>>>> interview many years later ... she was an adult. Maybe that's why,
>>>>>>>> if I am remembering correctly, he doesn't reference the interview
>>>>>>>> in his text to inform the reader .... he does footnote it .... I
>>>>>>>> think the interview was in 1979. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *****
>>>>>>>> Keep in mind she was a little girl watching a parade, John ... that
>>>>>>>> the limo was passing her by, that there were other things coming
>>>>>>>> along
>>>>>>>> in the motorcade behind her to her right .... and also note that at
>>>>>>>> NO
>>>>>>>> time does she look UP or across the street toward the TSBD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *****
>>>>>>>> Rosemary Willis does not bolster that contention either. She can be
>>>>>>>> seen looking to her right the entire time she is jogging along
>>>>>>>> beside the limo. She was running out of sidewalk, the limo was
>>>>>>>> passing her by. She doesn't plant her feet and come to a complete
>>>>>>>> halt until Z195.
>>>>>>>> She looks back at that time, but not up and across the street at
>>>>>>>> the TSBD. It appears she is looking at the next car coming up in
>>>>>>>> the motorcade. It was a parade…and she was a kid!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Todd W. Vaughan
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Todd