Tikaboo Peak !!! , what about a Peak-a-boo peak ?
krackula
hey those Tikaboo peak pictures are great OK , and that web site
about the Nv stuff is great too ....... BUT ....... what about some
stuff in California , especially the Tehachapi base ???
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/th-intro.html
how about using some of that rock climbing talent and
climb up on those peaks , east off caliente bodfish road
and getting some ground shots of " anything " at
tehachapi base that can confirm or dispell anything that
web site claims ???
been there several times and found the two main
county roads blocked by a farm on the north side
( hahah shades of Rachel , all over again ) and
by the " so called " defunct RV park , QMR , on
the south side on Sand Canyon Road. I say
" so called " defunct RV park because in the
web site sat maps that RV park doesn't exist
and ( look in google sat maps ) more current
maps , a whole small neighborhood of tiny trailers and
smallish houses now exists in the same place.
the RV park looks like it has been there for decades and
gone bellyup and even the gates are rusted.
trouble is , it couldn't have been there for very long
and neither could the small bunch of trailers / houses
at the entrance of QMR. how do places like
QMR and the ranch on the north side manage to
" totally " block off whole " large " county roads
and get away with it ?? ah ah ahah a ha
in the google sat maps, TONS of structures , roads,
etc.. show up " inside " and " behind " the QMR
resort ....... just like the tehachapi base sat maps show,
only totally blocked off by " posted " civilian looking
businesses.
even tho the QMR facility seems to be older
and defunct , numerous " new " well maintained
silver / whitish painted structures are evident.
one looking just like a fenced-in ventilation
shaft and shows a LARGE " vapor looking "
IR signature in the dark, that as well as a LOT
of other features that " also " shows significant
IR sigs after dark. ( very unusual for such a location )
unlike area51 and Tonopah , this place has NO
public lands to access it with. that makes getting
photos a bit more difficult. the power lines
that the web site says are " dedicated " to the
underground base do exist and are VERY
hot and do disappear somewhere between
the north boundary of the base ( the farm )
and the sand canyon road area.
this place is rumored to be a maglev
craft factory / test grounds and there
have been a LOT of " so called " ufo
sightings at the site and in the desert
east of the site , recently.
if you could approach close enough to get
pictures of the automated security devices
or any of the underground features
it would go a long way towards confirming
it's existence.
I have to admit that the information on the web site is
suspect a bit. tho there are numerous reasons that it
could be correct, the only identifiable feature
that you can access , the so called
" External management & main highway security "
office building turns out to be an old delapidated
barn in real life. ( artfully changed to cloud
the issues ??? )
I'm too old to go running around the desert or
climbing up any rock walls , but I'd sure like
to see an effort , like Tikaboo peak ,
at Tehachapi. seems like , if the web
site author is correct..... there'd be the potential
for VERY interesting sightings in Tehachapi.
confirming or debunking the place with pictures
would be kewl too. trouble is, if " they " have
billions of dollars invested there ( as claimed )
then there would be a fair to middle'in level
of risk associated with it too.
at what would be the north entrance to
the base ( turns into a well traveled dirt road
to the " posted " farm , off caliente bodfish
road , there is a place with over a 100 mailboxes
that go to a rather dead end road complex.
there is also ( interestingly enough )
a manned sheriffs substation out in the most
isolated place place you could imagine
( for California ) . the north entrance,
through the farm ( like Rachel ) would
most likely be the active automotive
entrance. within a few miles of
the north entrance to sand canyon
there is a surprisingly large amount
of new houses, a whole ( near )
new community .... built out on the
absolute isolated middle of nowhere !!!
housing for base employees ???
or just a fluke ? ha aha hahahah aa
there were NO radioactive,
RFulf, emp or magnetometer
wave anomolities present
when we have been there.
( Rachel, NTS, and Tonopah,
for example are loaded with them )
k.............
krackula
for the email question ..... ( next time give me a working addy )
yes there " is " a place called QMR , it's Quail Mountain Resort ....
....... there is a single web entry for the place located here
http://qmr-rvpark.com/content.php?article.1.255
this site went up on Dec31, 2004 ( just a couple hundred
days ago ) .... but if you visit it now ..... it's padlocked and
rather abandoned looking. is has " guard dogs " signs and
" serious " dogs can be heard there. the place looks like it has
been there and trashed decades ago , tho we know it not
because of the satellite pictures on the Tehachapi Base web site
which show it to be a relatively recent addition.
also note in the QMR site picture ..... it's dirt road into and thru
the QMR resort. in reality , it's seasoned looking " nicely
paved " county road , that goes through from HWY 58 , on up
through the QMR gates and continues up through into the hills
behind the resort. In places behind the resort and up into the hills
, the paved road is a two separate lane divided road. ???
take a look at the QMR site stats ........
for a place that is " obscure " to say the least and currently
padlocked and abandoned looking ,
it has an average of 524 hits a month .......
63% of users are commercial and government and only
1.8 % of users are from the USA !!! THATS interesting .......
krackula
this is my last post , in here, I don't like answering
email like this. ...... give me a mail drop or this is it .....
No, not to me ....... I don't see anything " oddball " or
" strange " about Rachel, at all. it's not in an
unusual spot , like you say , to me it's in a obvious and logical
' spot " . Rachel is in a handy location that is
20 miles north of the east entrance to area51 and
three different roads converge into " Valley Road " ,
right at Rachel and this road ( check the sat maps )
goes right into the north entrance areas of the area51
facilities. it's Virtually surrounded by a plethora of government
related activities / personnel.
Rachel is ( at the very least ) a store, gas station,
post office , companionship / entertainment / watering hole and
housing for contractors , subcontractors and base workers . many
commercial truck drivers have used Rachel as a place to park at night
, when working on nearby base projects . it serves an important
purpose and is very probably even a subcontracted activity, it's
self.
Rachel is located where it is, mostly, due to the availability
of water and " most important " the availability of that
HT power line supply that runs from the east , through
Rachel and off , right straight into the base. that power
that feeds the base is a " dedicated " installation and those farms
and the whole of Rachel wouldn't be using it unless the
government especially wanted them to have it. those handy farms
provide a clever cover for " local traffic " especially that coming
and going on Valley Rd and their " posted / no trespassing " signs /
areas provide a nice security " buffer zone " without drawing
the ( unfortunate ) attention that the notorious " east entrance "
road has drawn.
Rachel is a kewl , handy, and down to earth ( pun ) place ......
" not so " mysterious , at all, to my way of thinking. the only
aliens ( for sure ) around there, might be sitting in those chairs at
the Inn. h aha ha h ah haha ha ( you have to go there to get it )
Give it a chance . it'll " grow on you " . < g >
k........
mi...@sushi.com
supposed underground entrances and facilities, the author would show
one, just one, actual photograph of the area other than a fuzzy USGS
sat photo. I've been plenty of places in the desert with roads to
nothing of interest. For instance, there may be a mine claim there, but
that is about it.
Tehachapi and nearby areas have radar cross section sites. Thus far,
that's about it as far as spook stuff goes.
krackula
I wouldn't laugh too quickly. you have the skills , take a look at a
current satellite map ( Google , poor but works OK ) ........
( not the older pictures on the web site )
take a look at the 100 square miles of infrastructure, buildings ,
roads etc ...... even a rather " large " 178k power line that
disappears " under ground " there . ( clearly shown doing so
in the Acme mapper topo maps ) all supplied by two
serious county roads ( at one time but now all blocked off )
if you said it was a small town and housing tracts ..... " that
would be believable.
but ........ in real life there is " absolutely " no access to " any "
of that 10 X 10 area. THAT is odd. there can't be a small town
or housing tracts there ... it's ALL closed up and non accessible.
and ( seemingly ) no possible way to get a look either .
that and the fact the author ( of that web site ) seems to have
( accidently ) found a place to call an underground base that
" no one " can disprove or affirm. the fact " no one " can disprove it
is highly odd all by it's self. it's unlikely that a person could
find " anywhere " in busy California that has so much stuff
happening ( as that 10 x 10 area ) and absolutely no access to any of
it. maybe it'a secret enclave or possibly a large religious cult
living in there ..... that'd make more sense than what we
can see now. but how do they get in and out ?
how come they get an " off the grid " dedicated power
plant ? I've been there several times ..... and I'm less sure
about it than ever before . I've checked out ( and mostly found duds
) numerous places in the past, over a dozen of them . all of those
had some kinda access , I've never seen something like this
before , short of Rachel. it's worth a look ..... it's NOT
something simple or common, for sure. what it really is remains to be
understood ..... but it's something that needs more attention.
go take a look yourself and I'd bet your intuition will kick in
about the place when you see how oddball the it is.
this is a " look " you are well familiar with.
I suspect you wouldn't rest until you discovered why so much
stuff seems to be hidden there . ( no matter what it turns out
to eventually be )
that place is not restricted airspace .... and I might be able to
get a small aircraft ride , over it , and take some hi-res
pictures. oddly , also , most other " so called " nearby bases
( like Tejon Ranch ) have " tons " of web air pictures of the
facility . how come absolutely nothing ( no pictures )
about this place ? it'd be well worth it to get the proof and
put the kabosh on that tehachapi base site , once and for all.
in all this time , since the web site was made .... nothing
pro or con ever since.
also ........
how much time have you spent checking out that " so called "
munitions demolition range " on the Nv 395 highway .....
about 90 miles inside the NV border ? the one with those
huge white " deadly force " border signs and the " cammo dudes "
in trucks and unmarked choppers guarding the place ? just like area
51 ? ( on the west side of the Hawthore to Lee Vining highway )
worth noting there are those " extremely " unusual star wars looking
intrusion systems , protecting the canyon access. . looks like
futuristic UWB satellite communications equipment or space stuff .
never seen protection like that before. satellite maps show that a
natural crater / basin is the actual " area of interest " and it is (
like lots of places ) totally hidden by surrounding high mountain
walls, with one main canyon access from 395. wonder what is so
important , there , to need so much protection and remoteness ?
pretty interesting spot.
k...................
mi...@sushi.com
there.
That website is just a mess. Give me one waypoint and I'll try to
check it out in person. I never saw the RCS in Tehachapi, so I could
check it out at the same time.
krackula
>Since Hawthorn is on the BRAC list, I doubt there anything too secret
>there.
some people say it's the army weapons supply depot at hawthorne
on the list, not the ( much larger ) naval underseas weapons testing
labs and the naval nuke storage ( 40 stories under ground there )
facilities. not exactly sure myself. the naval weapons site is the
2nd largest weapons storage site in the entire world..... only
bested by a site in the Russian Steps. it used to be in New
Jersey and a site accident killed 100s of people back in the early
60s. after that , it was moved to hawthorne. some of the most secret
weapons testing in the US is done there. missile carriers and
tomahawks are all over the place. it's a no fly zone too.
the massive ( but not as big as the naval installation ) army
munitions storage location is in the mountains , due west of
downtown hawthorne a few miles. easily seen on the sat maps.
the much larger naval site is east of hawthorne , from the edge of
town and out about 20 miles or more. it's massive square miles
of unused bunkers. everything moved under ground in the 80's there.
the dirt they took out of the ground is found a few miles n.w. of
town, it's so large , at first it looks like a mountain before you
see the bulldozers. that place is pretty big and new to be closing
down for real. a pretty busy place to shut down.
that area I mentioned is not too near the hawthorne base , it's at
n. 38.245917 , w 118.63921 on the acme map site. something
large and unusual looking buried there . the security in this place
is surprisingly high. just loitering nearby, taking pictures, will
usually bring the cammo dudes and the black chopper in a hurry.
those white looking items at the canyon entrance is some of that
" space " looking intrusion equipment I was mentioning.
seismic intrusion stuff is buried all over the place , esp along the
fence areas and little care was taken to hide it. all of it seems to
be solar powered.
>
>That website is just a mess. Give me one waypoint and I'll try to
>check it out in person. I never saw the RCS in Tehachapi, so I could
>check it out at the same time.
as close as you can get is to go east out of Tehachapi , on the
highway 4 miles and turn off and go north on Sand Canyon Road.
nice paved sand canyon road suddenly dead ends into the padlocked
QMR business. the base is directly behind the QMR business and
extends north 10 miles and continues west another 12 miles or so.
( about 120 sq miles of installations )
this equates to the right most and lower most area on
the Tehachapi base map on the web site. it's a large green square ,
two purple squares and two yellow squares on the site map. the two
purple squares are on sand canyon road. the QMR was not there
when the site pics were taken. there are two other roads into the
120 sq mile area. one off caliente bodfish road , from the north,
and a dirt road from the east. both these roads have posted farms
blocking them , ala Rachel. remember that this is a " private "
and not a government installation and they " don't " play by the
same rules.
you might scale the cliffs on the east side of clientele bonefish
road
and hike east to get a look. there is a fair to mid d'in chance that
you can get seriously hurt if you approach any of those automated
intrusion protection devices too close ........ carefully look out
for them if they are there. ( better safe than sorry )
when you go up sand canyon road, you can turn right onto a dirt
road that borders the QMR complex ( at the QMR front gate )
..... shortly down that road is a turn out to stop and view some of
the QMR and ( supposed ) base area .
looking forward to some pics doorkeeper . good luck ......
be careful and don't break any laws. those attack guard dog
signs on QMR are the real mccoy ....... they have a " serious "
array of guard dogs there on the QMR site.
k.............
I can also steer you to an interesting government / military
" biological " testing valley , east of why 6 , north of Bishop and
east into Nb. it has a large collection of " test " animals in a
wooden coral and an amazing " giant " solar powered,
automated organic lab testing station built there. looks like the
whole ( small ) valley is used as part of the site. it runs west to
east there, and has a VERY stiff wind blowing ( every time I've been
there ) east . up the road ( west ) a few miles is a " so called "
government agriculture " testing " station. all with large fences and
warning signs. also patrolled by the cam mo dudes in white pickup
trucks. supposedly the government keeps a large array of
" natural " biological agents there . dun no what they do with them ,
tho....... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .
krackula
interestingly , a few words of my post
have mysteriously changed ....... different
from what I wrote and different from " my "
copy on this end .......
in one place caliente bodfish road was changed to
" clientele bonefish " and in the paragraph before my sig ,
doooooooode was changed to " doorkeeper " .
the spacing on a few of my words was altered too, from my original
copy of the post , on this end.
dunno how that happened ..... someone playing I guess ....... odd
.....
k..............
krackula
whats worth cammo dudes and black choppers here ??
whats that burried there in the dirt ?? ha ha hahahah aah
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=38.244115&long=-118.63466&scale=11&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
krackula
just north of the big depression with the stuff buried around the
edge ....... is this place .....
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=38.251306&long=-118.63696&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
it looks to be a large field of dirt , taken from under the ground ,
and what looks like the entrance to an underground facility , can
be seen in the upper left part of the picture. off the main road, in
what looks like a parking lot / hardened area ( the lighter color
area ) looks to be a underground access door ...... big enough for a
truck to enter ......
dunno if it is , for sure, but interesting looking anyway ..........
krackula
>
>
>>
>>That website is just a mess. Give me one waypoint and I'll try to
>>check it out in person. I never saw the RCS in Tehachapi, so I could
>>check it out at the same time.
>
herze more interesting info on the entrance to the QMR resort , this
time consulting these satellite pics at acme ..........
in this view ........... ( note the long and lat are here for your use
later on ...
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.142944&long=-118.31205&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
you can see the paved county road , called Sand Canyon Road ,
on the left of the view and there is a wide dirt spot with a dirt
road going east off the paved road there. also consult the picture
of QMR on their web site
http://qmr-rvpark.com/content.php?article.1.255 ......... in which
you see the gate across a dirt road. haha ha ha hah a ha a
NOW . this is one real cute piece of info management for sure
............ in the acme picture , above , the paved road ..... at
the place where the dirt road branches off to the right ......
( look at the dirt road shape, the shape of the dry river bed etc )
THIS is exactly where the QMR gate is " right now " . in the acme
sat picture , QMR didn't even exist. NOW there is a QMR gate there
and lots of trailers and small houses off on the dirt road to the
right. tons of stuff , all over the place ......
( and buildings and trailers all over the entrance area of
QMR , like their web photos show )
clearly this is an older satellite picture .....BUT ..... clearly also
, the county road was PAVED before the existence of the QMR facility
....... and in the QMR picture , the road is a dirt road. ha hahahah
... boy some script continuity editor is going to get in trouble with
this little boo boo !!!! ..... ha ha ha ha ha hah a ah
in real life , sand canyon road is paved , all the way into the
mountains ,
just like on the acme web site maps say ....... only there is a QMR
gate ( at the wide spot ) there , blocking the road .....now. in
no way could the road have been dirt when QMR was built
, it wasn't even there in the acme picture .....but in the QMR picture
the road is dirt for sure........... NOW . thats entertainment
........... !!!
a picture really is worth a 1000 words ..........
k..................
mi...@sushi.com
mobile home!!!
Lumpy
Re the QMR place...
It's interesting that only 2 of the photos show
any humans. #13 and #14 pics show a young boy
and what looks like his grandfather. But no
campers, badmittin players, cars, trailers,
campers. Nor do they show any RV parking
or recreational facilities or anything else
that you'd typically want to see if you were
looking for an RV park.
That closed gate across the entrance is also
interesting. Not exactly what I'd expect to
see on a typical RV park, open to the public.
From the photo, I can't really see how an
incoming camper would gain entrance through
the gate. Do they honk to attract the attention
of the attendants at the guard shack ahead?
Also from the index page photo, no public signs
advertising that it's an RV park. That seems odd.
Driving by the place you'd just see "QMR" on the
block wall.
And then just to add to the fun...Go to their
photo page. Scroll down to photo #9. What is
the object flying in the sky?
Lumpy
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krackula
h ahaha ha ha ..... might be the only way to get a look there !!!
hey m there's a bargain location there ... right outside the QMR gate
.......... it's tiny 800 sq ft home with some " lizard land " (
rocks and sagebrush ), tight there in the middle of nowhere ....
a mere $179,500 for the whole thing !!!! they can't be serious ,
if they said $40,00 I would have thought it to be too much !!!!
ha ha haha hahhaah
good luck ..... hope you find something ....... maybe you can use
your etx-90 and find something interesting , up the hill. if you
study the original Tehachapi base satellite pictures , you'll
see that the whole place seems ringed with those sensor stations ,
every couple of 100 years or so ....... " maybe " you can get one of
those on film or just a good look !
gl & c -ya
krackula
>
>Re the QMR place...
>It's interesting that only 2 of the photos show
>any humans. #13 and #14 pics show a young boy
>and what looks like his grandfather. But no
>campers, badmittin players, cars, trailers,
>campers. Nor do they show any RV parking
>or recreational facilities or anything else
>that you'd typically want to see if you were
>looking for an RV park.
>
>That closed gate across the entrance is also
>interesting. Not exactly what I'd expect to
>see on a typical RV park, open to the public.
>From the photo, I can't really see how an
>incoming camper would gain entrance through
>the gate. Do they honk to attract the attention
>of the attendants at the guard shack ahead?
exactly right ........ I drove a motor home , every weekend , for
over 14 years and every RV park ad I saw showed the
prime full service lots first and then people all over the park and
clubhouse having a good time ....... this site's pictures
truly are out of whack. not a very convincing attempt at
a RV park site.
tho QMR is supposed to only have opened last fall or so
( from when the site went up ) ...... " now " it's padlocked
closed and has NO access for anyone from the public.
if it ever was open to the public, it must have been a short
period. there are NO people to be found , inside the compound,
the guard shack, the club house and the offices are abandoned and
have weeds growing up all over the place. not open and
hasen't been for a while, if ever.
even the fancy QMR metal gate is rusted
and delapidated looking.
remember that the paved road into the QMR actually is a main county
road called Sand Hill Rd and continues on beyond the QMR entrance
( through QMR ) up into the mountains for many miles back into
the canyons.
a quick trip to the Acme satellite pictures site .. will easily
confirm these details like the county road and makes
you wonder how a ( defunct ) RV business manages to
block the main road with their gates !!!! ah ah ah hahaha
>
>Also from the index page photo, no public signs
>advertising that it's an RV park. That seems odd.
>Driving by the place you'd just see "QMR" on the
>block wall.
hah aha haha . doesn't really matter if you don't intend to have
visitors anyway !!! haha hahahahahaahaha
but you are " very " correct. after I first went there and found
this QMR business that doesn't show on any of the satellite
maps except Google sat pictures , smack dab across the main
paved county road ...... I had to go home and research it on the web
to figure out what it was. " nothing " at the business site would
tell you what it is !!!
>
>And then just to add to the fun...Go to their
>photo page. Scroll down to photo #9. What is
>the object flying in the sky?
OMG .......... I see it ......... " you " have sharp
eyes and good focus to find that. looks like " they " just
couldn't resist adding a little advertisement for one of their
latest model of maglev they make !!!! ha haha hahaha a
maybe they have so much of that stuff flying around there ,
they couldn't even help capturing some it on film !
ah ahha hahahaahah
it's odd looking and you can't really tell what it is ....... but
maybe they are giving us a little tease and trying to hide it
cleverly in their site photos. ah ah ahhahaa
k................
>
>
>Lumpy
Lumpy
> tho QMR is supposed to only have opened
> last fall or so ( from when the site went up )
> ...... " now " it's padlocked closed and has
> ...even the fancy QMR metal gate is rusted
> and delapidated looking.
So what is your hypothesis? You think this
is a Tehachapi Complex entrance point that
is no longer in use? or ???
I think you're suggesting that the gate
is no longer (if ever) in use, due to it's
rusted condition. Did there ever appear to
be any kind of key card, magnetic exit switch
etc that would facilitate vehicles entering
and exiting?
I take it you've been there or live near
there now. What about the road surface?
Paved or dirt/gravel, I can't quite tell
what you're suggesting when you compare
the sat photos with the QMR web page photos.
Are you saying it's a paved road (asphalt)
that has been covered by dirt to disguise it?
What's your guess on the size of gate opening,
weight bearing capability of the road
surface etc in regards to heavy trucks?
The two gate panels appear to be either 8'wide
6' tall or 10' wide, 8' tall, standard dimensions.
Due to the angles in the photos it's difficult
to make comparisons between known sized items
and items in question. How high is that driveway
header over the road? I think I'm seeing about
13' or 15' of clearance. That would barely be
enough for 18 wheelers and tall RV's.
Pull the county records ownership maps? Contact the
property management company listed on the website?
Lumpy
krackula
>
>So what is your hypothesis? You think this
>is a Tehachapi Complex entrance point that
>is no longer in use? or ???
judging from all the older satellite photos and from standard
government covert base practice ...... I'd say that what
ever is happening , up the hill behind the QRM area .....
that QMR was built to hide the actual installation by
providing a non descript looking posted " buffer zone "
between the base and the outside world. I'm thinking
that the QMR type business was chosen both because
a farm there ( in that wastelands space ) wouldn't look quite
right and with a commercial business " looking " front ......
traffic , in and out , wouldn't look suspicious. I'd guess
QMR to have been " open " , the gates unlocked and
someone there monitoring traffic , possibly for a period of
time when some subcontracted type construction was taking place.
QMR would hide that traffic nicely. QMR is boarded up
now ( so to speak ) both because the construction is over and
like the east entrance to area51 , it's far too notorious
and watched by saucer nuts. ( me ? ha ha ha ha ) just locking
and securing the space is all that is needed now.
great idea and works perfectly .........
>
>I think you're suggesting that the gate
>is no longer (if ever) in use, due to it's
>rusted condition. Did there ever appear to
>be any kind of key card, magnetic exit switch
>etc that would facilitate vehicles entering
>and exiting?
>
>I take it you've been there or live near
>there now. What about the road surface?
>Paved or dirt/gravel, I can't quite tell
>what you're suggesting when you compare
>the sat photos with the QMR web page photos.
>Are you saying it's a paved road (asphalt)
>that has been covered by dirt to disguise it?
right .......
long " before " QMR , as the web site and acme satellite
photos show ....... the sand canyon rd was a nice , average,
paved two lane county road. on the sat maps , it's shown all the way
from the highway ( 58 ) on up into the mountains, a large
number of miles past the QMR gates. it has road signs , lines
painted on it and power poles along it .
it's a common , standard, hard surface asphalt paved ... exactly as
you would see anywhere in rural California.
BUT ......... look at the QMR site pages and see THAT site
picture shows the road to be " dirt " dirt up to the gates and dirt
through the gates too. in real life, the road has NEVER looked
that way , before OR after QMR. it's always been paved.
why is it shown dirt ? ......... dunno but ........ if YOU were
driving a $150,000 motorhome or even a $42,000 one ......
you wouldn't want to go drive or camp on dirt / dirt roads . a
place with " dirt " roads is WAY too primitive to attract the campers
very much. all popular places to camp are ALWAYS
paved for convenience and to keep the dirt down for the campers.
( that loose dirt turns to MUD when it rains too )
its probably " dirt " in the pictures to drive off any unlikely
campers that might accidently take the site serious. to take that
picture
on the web site .... people at QMR had to cover all the paved road
areas with dirt to get the picture you see there.
>
>What's your guess on the size of gate opening,
>weight bearing capability of the road
>surface etc in regards to heavy trucks?
>
>The two gate panels appear to be either 8'wide
>6' tall or 10' wide, 8' tall, standard dimensions.
>
>Due to the angles in the photos it's difficult
>to make comparisons between known sized items
>and items in question. How high is that driveway
>header over the road? I think I'm seeing about
>13' or 15' of clearance. That would barely be
>enough for 18 wheelers and tall RV's.
the clearance is large enough for large motorcoach sized
RVs ( greyhound buss size ) to pass through and
usual standard service trucks, water trucks etc.....
even QMRwould need to have traffic that size to enter
on a regular basic. I don't remember if that white
board, across the gates , is there or not....... but take
a look at that " military style " guard shack /
access house !!!! ......... dunno if you can see it in the pictures
but it is built to accommodate LARGE sized traffic ..... larger
looking than the main gate too ........ it's interesting.
>
>Pull the county records ownership maps? Contact the
>property management company listed on the website?
>
>Lumpy
>
you know ......... the important thing to keep in focus here is NOT
QMR ....... but what lies directly behind it. if you could just drive
straight up that paved road , past the QMR gate to a number of sites
like this one ......... which is directly off the paved road ........
miles past QMR ......
( notice the paved sand canyon road and the power poles along the
paved road )
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.168108&long=-118.33408&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
which is the same area as " this " from the Tehachapi base site
.........
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/th-uuf-09.html which the
site author calls " EG craft production rollout ramp " .
and get out and look around and find out , once and for all, if any of
this is true . THAT is the " meat " of this pursuit.
naturally if " we " found out that even a little of it was " factual "
then we'd all have to go away and leave it alone . we'd have a
basic responsibility to government to stay back , away from it.
nothing wrong with wanting a little " peel - a -boo " at some great
new governmental hi-tech toys .... maybe even a photo or two
or some great leftovers ( a betzball ? ah ah ah aha ) but not
actually mess with the facility or program it's protecting.
( that and people can get " spanked " for messing where they
shouldn't ha haha haahha ha a )
k...............
mi...@sushi.com
just bring the camera and binocs. If there is anything happening, of
course I'll be back.
krackula
roger that big guy ...........
a couple of things ..................
first ......... if you go to the gates ( QMR ) and turn
right up the dirt road .... in the current ( which is still
before QMR ) Acme satellite maps of the gate area
( here )
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.14462&long=-118.31217&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
if you go " east " two clicks , you'll see a place where
the dirt road turns north and another dirt road proceeds east ......
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.144604&long=-118.30779&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
in the view above , you can see one of those ( what is supposed to be
a sensor site ) little loop roads with a " sensor " site on it , in
the lower right corner of the satellite view. on the Acme maps,
these are literally ALL over the place... about every 100 yards or so.
maybe you can get close to this site ! also ........ if you move the
map north from the above image , you see this
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.146407&long=-118.30779&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
which suggests that the dirt road turns north and houses / farms
are evenly spaced up it's length and other well used dirt
roads , with many structures , branch off it.
don't get excited about how " easy " this looks because " NOWADAYS "
this isn't at all what is going on. NOW . where the dirt road turns
north with evenly spaced structures , thee is NO access from the
public road and the road shown in the 3rd satellite picture is
boarded and fenced off and access would only be possible
from inside the QMR property now !!! ( huh ??? ) and when you
see the QMR gate , you'll think that it's rarely ( if ever ) used.
( maybe you can follow up on this more and try to find a road that
access somewhere close to these areas ! )
if there was some possible way to get up on that dirt road
in picture 3 then you'd have access to all those sensor sites.
I'd guess that all the earlier sensor sites were relocated when
QMR was set in place to make it harder to see any base equipment ....
once again using the handy area of QMR as a buffer zone.
still ...... maybe you could see some sites where the infrastructure
was located and removed from. naturally , if you could access
one of those ( many ) loop roads and see something besides a sensor
there , then that would go a long ways .........
>You need to time things right for telescope use. At this point, I'll
>just bring the camera and binocs. If there is anything happening, of
>course I'll be back.
also .......
about using a etx-90 ? I've also got a etx-90 ( no computerized star
drive , just the " batteries in the bottom " model ) and a few
Teleview eyepieces , part of some stuff that I got in a trade.
with the etx-90 I also got a little pile of camera adapters , extender
tubes etc... that fit onto the back port where the mirror flips down
to. the t-ring adapters are all nikon. I wanted to use my Sony
Mavica fd-91 digital SLRcamera on the back. the mavica has
a 52 mm filter ring and I thought of just screwing it straight on the
back of the etx ( using a standard 52mm t-adapter ring with the
current tubes ) problem was two fold .... first , this is NOT
eyepiece projection ( that you seem to be so expert with )
and would not afford the magnification ratios of the shots on your
site and secondly the mavica is a VERY large / heavy slr camera
and doesn't blend well with the balance and proportions of the etx (
it has a non removable 38 - 540mm zoom lens on the front ) should
I just get a less expensive digital camera and use one of those
gizmos that lock onto the eyepiece shaft and have those
adjustable rods to hold a camera for eyepiece projection ?
( and if so what camera do you recommend ) or should I look to
using the rear port with a tube that holds eyepieces ( if mine would
work in that application ) and try to find a smaller lighter camera
that would screw onto the back port with adapters ?
( again , if so, what camera do you suggest ? ) I realize that
a direct coupled camera connection is preferable to that
gizmo on the eyepiece where light can enter the mix in
the space between the eyepiece and camera lens but maybe
the gizmo / eyepiece is a more desirable approach ?
what are your thoughts on this approach ?
along the same thoughts ... I also have a rather large and
heavy ( about 9 pounds ) professional 2nd gen night
scope with a 120m.w. IR illuminator ( looks like one of those
searchlights at a car lot through the night scope ) .......
I was thinking of making a ( sorta ) gunstock type
mount , one that has easy mounting possibilities on a HD
tripod. I was thinking of putting the nite scope on the
front hand guard area and directly behind the nite scope , a mount for
my Mavica camera to use the starlite scope as a night lens.
( gunstock as an example, a metal mounting rail or wooden
hardwood board etc. would be just as desirable )
the starlight scope is a 5X device . I can either try eyepiece
projection or probably fairly easily use a direct coupled set up
as the nite scope expects people to use it as a lens and makes
provisions for cameras or ccd video cameras. ( which is pretty
much what a digital camera is anyway ) once again I'm thinking
my mavica probably isn't the best choice for this application but
I love the metering and photographic features of this camera
and would rather avoid the expense of getting more cameras too......
h aha ha hah aah ah . do you have experience with a night
scope and digital camera. with my rather high powered
" IR illuminator " the night views are VERY bright for long
distances ( sometimes a mile or more ) , I'd generally be working
with fairly " bright " scenes rather than those examples where
you see the scope " sparkle " due to very low light levels.
your experienced perspective would be much appreciated !
k.......