Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?

[David B.]

Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?

If not, WHY not, please?

Website: www.etresoft.com

Thanks.

[Snit]

On Jan 31, 2024 at 3:49:15 PM MST, "David B." wrote
<l2013b...@mid.individual.net>:

Is there a version of EtreCheck that runs on Linux?

On their site I only see macOS.



--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

[Mike Easter]

BDB wrote:
> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>

That's a foolish qx. Did you post it just to stimulate conversation?

ISTM that you *know* that EtreCheck is an app designed to run 'under'
the Mac OS, whereas a device running LM is NOT running the MacOS.

Personally I don't have experience running virtual machines, VM which
some people like to use to run programs designed for other OS. In the
area of linux OS trying to run Mac ware as a VM, there is Darling.

> Darling is a translation layer that lets you run macOS software on Linux

Another tool is Sosumi which comes as a Snap package, which LM eschews
by default, but snapd can be enabled on LM, and then sosumi.

All of that being said; EtreCheck would NOT be a 'good choice' of Mac
s/w to be employing on such a 'contraption' as an old iMac running LM
which is running some VM translation layer which is itself running Etre.
It seems to me that Etre is designed to evaluate Mac 'problems' under
the conditions of Mac device running Mac OS, not Mac device running LM
running sosumi/darling running etre.

That condition reminds me of the game 'telephone' in which someone
whispers something in someone's ear, who whispers it to another and they
to another etc and at the end it is a big joke how far the original
whisper has degraded.

> If not, WHY not, please?
>

Etre should be run under the conditions for which it was designed, not
under some contrived Frankenstein laboratory.



--
Mike Easter

[David B.]

On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:05:45 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:

> On Jan 31, 2024 at 5:49:15 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>

> Why would you want to?

EtreCheck provides an EXCELLENT overview of what is happening and/or is
installed on an Apple computer running a macOS.

Sadly, I have no idea what else EtreCheck does on my iMac. It might be
stealing my private information but I have no way of knowing that, do I?

> Are you in your Depressive state and now you trust
> EtreCheck? Next week when you are Hyper-Manic and have a paranoid freak out
> will you delete EtreCheck and re-install Linux 5 times?

I have Linux Mint installed permanently on my 24 inch Apple iMac.

What facility can YOU recomment that will show me all of the detail about this
particular computer?

[T i m]

On 31/01/2024 22:49, David B. wrote:
> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>
> If not, WHY not, please?

Because MacOS is not the same OS platform as GNU/Linux (or Windows).

They are both 'Unix based' but are not compatible.

Cheers, T i m

[David B.]

Thank you, Tim

Do you know of a 'magic bullet' which would highlight all the interesting
facts about my Linux set-up?

=

I still have my original Windows XP set-up disk (bought in 2002 IIRC)

Might THAT run on my old iMac? (I've never tried to do that!)

[David B.]

On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:46:17 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:

> On Jan 31, 2024 at 6:16:19 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:05:45 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 31, 2024 at 5:49:15 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>>>
>>> Why would you want to?
>

> And the drama continues.

Yes, this *IS* Usenet!

>> EtreCheck provides an EXCELLENT overview of what is happening and/or is
>> installed on an Apple computer running a macOS.
>

> Sure it does. That's why you spend all of your free time trashing the
> software, the company, the person and his family.

Please provide EVIDENCE of what you claim.

As far as I'm aware, John Daniel (Developer) doesn't have a wife and family.
Methinks you are confusing EtreCheck and ClamXAV!

>> Sadly, I have no idea what else EtreCheck does on my iMac. It might be
>> stealing my private information but I have no way of knowing that, do I?
>

> Yes, you do know that it does not steal anything. You have been told and shown
> countless times. But your mental illness prevents you from remembering that.

WHO has shown me? Where? Please provide links to same. Or are you simply
bullshitting?

>>> Are you in your Depressive state and now you trust
>>> EtreCheck? Next week when you are Hyper-Manic and have a paranoid freak out
>>> will you delete EtreCheck and re-install Linux 5 times?
>>
>> I have Linux Mint installed permanently on my 24 inch Apple iMac.
>

> Sure you do. At least until your next Manic episode.

Here's a photograph - evidence! https://i.ibb.co/T43NjkK/IMG-1845.jpg

>> What facility can YOU recommend
>
> I recomment your nearest mental health facility. You need treatment. Although
> it might be easier and better for all concerned if they just put you down.

That will not be necessary!

[T i m]

On 01/02/2024 09:01, David B. wrote:
> On 1 Feb 2024 at 00:07:19 GMT, "T i m" <ete...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 31/01/2024 22:49, David B. wrote:
>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>>>
>>> If not, WHY not, please?
>>
>> Because MacOS is not the same OS platform as GNU/Linux (or Windows).
>>
>> They are both 'Unix based' but are not compatible.
>>
>
> Thank you, Tim
>
> Do you know of a 'magic bullet' which would highlight all the interesting
> facts about my Linux set-up?

Nope, no such thing. It's an OS and so a means to an end.

If you are really interest in the insides of your hardware then the
terminal commands of 'lshw' or lsusb' would show a lot.

If you want something more GUI, have a look in the various adding
software tools you can browse (in the Linux ripoff of Control Panel).

>
> =
>
> I still have my original Windows XP set-up disk (bought in 2002 IIRC)
>
> Might THAT run on my old iMac? (I've never tried to do that!)

I ran XP on my MacMini for a good few years on OSX 10.4 and under Bootcamp.

If you really wanted to run XP on Linux (forget it's a Mac now) you
could use Virtualbox or similar and probably find a ready-to-run image.

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Wilkinson]

On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 09:39:39 UTC, David B. wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:46:17 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
> > On Jan 31, 2024 at 6:16:19 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:05:45 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Jan 31, 2024 at 5:49:15 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
> >>>
> >>> Why would you want to?
> >
> > And the drama continues.
>
> Yes, this *IS* Usenet!
> >> EtreCheck provides an EXCELLENT overview of what is happening and/or is
> >> installed on an Apple computer running a macOS.
> >
> > Sure it does. That's why you spend all of your free time trashing the
> > software, the company, the person and his family.
>
> Please provide EVIDENCE of what you claim.

Plenty of evidence and most people have witnessed it.

>
> As far as I'm aware, John Daniel (Developer) doesn't have a wife and family.

So you've tried stalking him too, no suprise to anyone.

> Methinks you are confusing EtreCheck and ClamXAV!

and where did he state he was even talking about any particular thing.
You've tried with clamX and daysix and I don't even bother reading most of the BS you post.

You've even claimed clamX told you that there are no viruses on your Mac.

I think the viruses are in your head, which clamX couldn't check.

I suggest contacting the NHS with the view to getting a counsellor.
Like a friend of mine did after he was convinced that aliens took lager from the can of lager
which was in his fridge, but they managed to do it without breaking the pull tab.
He showed me the evidence via a metal locked case he brought over to me,
showing me that the can was empty and contained no liquid/lager and the pull tab still intacked.
He submerged the can in water and no air bubbles came out and that was more proof that
the only answer was that aliens had came from somewhere with advanced technology to beam out the contents of
just one of the 3 remaining cans of lager and leave.

Now you explain to me how and why they did that and I'll tell you everything you need to know about clamX, EtreCheck and daysix.

> >> Sadly, I have no idea what else EtreCheck does on my iMac. It might be
> >> stealing my private information but I have no way of knowing that, do I?

you don't have any way of knowing anything do you ?
How do you know that Apple or God aren't stealing your information ?.

> >
> > Yes, you do know that it does not steal anything. You have been told and shown
> > countless times. But your mental illness prevents you from remembering that.
>
> WHO has shown me? Where? Please provide links to same. Or are you simply
> bullshitting?

We all know who's BSing.

> >>> Are you in your Depressive state and now you trust
> >>> EtreCheck? Next week when you are Hyper-Manic and have a paranoid freak out
> >>> will you delete EtreCheck and re-install Linux 5 times?
> >>
> >> I have Linux Mint installed permanently on my 24 inch Apple iMac.
> >
> > Sure you do. At least until your next Manic episode.
>
> Here's a photograph - evidence! https://i.ibb.co/T43NjkK/IMG-1845.jpg

Wow amazing , but what does it prove.

>
> >> What facility can YOU recommend
> >
> > I recomment your nearest mental health facility. You need treatment. Although
> > it might be easier and better for all concerned if they just put you down.
>

I'd recommend setting fire to the computer and praying to God that nothing bad will happen.
Fire kills all known viruses too.

[David B.]

On 1 Feb 2024 at 10:04:17 GMT, "T i m" <ete...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> On 01/02/2024 09:01, David B. wrote:
>> On 1 Feb 2024 at 00:07:19 GMT, "T i m" <ete...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 31/01/2024 22:49, David B. wrote:
>>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>>>>
>>>> If not, WHY not, please?
>>>
>>> Because MacOS is not the same OS platform as GNU/Linux (or Windows).
>>>
>>> They are both 'Unix based' but are not compatible.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you, Tim
>>
>> Do you know of a 'magic bullet' which would highlight all the interesting
>> facts about my Linux set-up?
>
> Nope, no such thing. It's an OS and so a means to an end.
>
> If you are really interest in the insides of your hardware then the
> terminal commands of 'lshw' or lsusb' would show a lot.

Thanks. I tried that and, as you said, much WAS revealed!

I was notified that I should run the program as super-user, but my memory of
such matters is a bit flakey now.

I appreciate your help. :-D

> If you want something more GUI, have a look in the various adding
> software tools you can browse (in the Linux ripoff of Control Panel).

I'm not quite sure what to look for.

>> =
>>
>> I still have my original Windows XP set-up disk (bought in 2002 IIRC)
>>
>> Might THAT run on my old iMac? (I've never tried to do that!)
>
> I ran XP on my MacMini for a good few years on OSX 10.4 and under Bootcamp.
>
> If you really wanted to run XP on Linux (forget it's a Mac now) you
> could use Virtualbox or similar and probably find a ready-to-run image.

I didn't mean that. I meant simply trying to load Windows XP directly on the
the Mac hardware via the inbuilt CD/DVD drive..
I suspect that would not work.

FWIW, I still have Windows XP available on my aged Dell Dimension 2400.
I rarely use same nowadays.

[David B.]

On 1 Feb 2024 at 11:02:51 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 09:39:39 UTC, David B. wrote:
>> On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:46:17 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
>>> On Jan 31, 2024 at 6:16:19 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:05:45 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2024 at 5:49:15 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you want to?
>>>
>>> And the drama continues.
>>
>> Yes, this *IS* Usenet!
>>>> EtreCheck provides an EXCELLENT overview of what is happening and/or is
>>>> installed on an Apple computer running a macOS.
>>>
>>> Sure it does. That's why you spend all of your free time trashing the
>>> software, the company, the person and his family.
>>
>> Please provide EVIDENCE of what you claim.
>
> Plenty of evidence and most people have witnessed it.

So YOU cannot provide any evidence either?!!!

>> As far as I'm aware, John Daniel (Developer) doesn't have a wife and family.
>
> So you've tried stalking him too, no suprise to anyone.

He's not genuine.

>> Methinks you are confusing EtreCheck and ClamXAV!
>
> and where did he state he was even talking about any particular thing.
> You've tried with clamX and daysix and I don't even bother reading most of the
> BS you post.

Then you need to pay closer attention to the facts.

> You've even claimed clamX told you that there are no viruses on your Mac.

Cite!

> I think the viruses are in your head, which clamX couldn't check.

Not so, dear boy!
https://www.mymac.com/2016/06/mymac-com-spotlight-mark-allan/

> I suggest contacting the NHS with the view to getting a counsellor.
> Like a friend of mine did after he was convinced that aliens took lager from
> the can of lager
> which was in his fridge, but they managed to do it without breaking the pull
> tab.
> He showed me the evidence via a metal locked case he brought over to me,
> showing me that the can was empty and contained no liquid/lager and the pull
> tab still intacked.
> He submerged the can in water and no air bubbles came out and that was more
> proof that
> the only answer was that aliens had came from somewhere with advanced
> technology to beam out the contents of
> just one of the 3 remaining cans of lager and leave.
>
> Now you explain to me how and why they did that and I'll tell you everything
> you need to know about clamX, EtreCheck and daysix.

I don't believe that you have a clue about the connection between
www.daysix.co and www.clamxav.com

The former use Apple computers in their business. Do they use ClamXAV to
protect them? I think not.

>>>> Sadly, I have no idea what else EtreCheck does on my iMac. It might be
>>>> stealing my private information but I have no way of knowing that, do I?
>
> you don't have any way of knowing anything do you ?
> How do you know that Apple or God aren't stealing your information ?

Both are welcome to have whatever they wish. I have no secrets.

>>> Yes, you do know that it does not steal anything. You have been told and shown
>>> countless times. But your mental illness prevents you from remembering that.
>>
>> WHO has shown me? Where? Please provide links to same. Or are you simply
>> bullshitting?
>
> We all know who's BSing.

I invariably tell the truth, so not me.

>>>>> Are you in your Depressive state and now you trust
>>>>> EtreCheck? Next week when you are Hyper-Manic and have a paranoid freak out
>>>>> will you delete EtreCheck and re-install Linux 5 times?
>>>>
>>>> I have Linux Mint installed permanently on my 24 inch Apple iMac.
>>>
>>> Sure you do. At least until your next Manic episode.
>>
>> Here's a photograph - evidence! https://i.ibb.co/T43NjkK/IMG-1845.jpg
>
> Wow amazing , but what does it prove.

It proves that I'm telling the truth.

>>>> What facility can YOU recommend
>>>
>>> I recomment your nearest mental health facility. You need treatment. Although
>>> it might be easier and better for all concerned if they just put you down.
>
> I'd recommend setting fire to the computer and praying to God that nothing bad
> will happen.
> Fire kills all known viruses too.

Is your employer aware that you are now recommending using arson?
The police might aslo be interested in your slide towards terrorism.
Thank you for your openness.

[T i m]

On 01/02/2024 12:14, David B. wrote:

<snip>

>> If you are really interest in the insides of your hardware then the
>> terminal commands of 'lshw' or lsusb' would show a lot.
>
> Thanks. I tried that and, as you said, much WAS revealed!
>
> I was notified that I should run the program as super-user, but my memory of
> such matters is a bit flakey now.

sudo lhsw

sudo lsusb

>
> I appreciate your help. :-D
>
>> If you want something more GUI, have a look in the various adding
>> software tools you can browse (in the Linux ripoff of Control Panel).
>
> I'm not quite sure what to look for.

In Software Centre or similar search for 'system' or 'info' and see if
anything comes up.
>

<snip>

>> If you really wanted to run XP on Linux (forget it's a Mac now) you
>> could use Virtualbox or similar and probably find a ready-to-run image.
>
> I didn't mean that. I meant simply trying to load Windows XP directly on the
> the Mac hardware via the inbuilt CD/DVD drive..

I know you were ... and I was saying I ran my XP by using the OSX
utility 'Bootcamp' that allowed me to dual-boot between OSX and XP. I
haven't run XP on a Mac directly.

> I suspect that would not work.

Agreed, or nor without lots of tweaking.

>
> FWIW, I still have Windows XP available on my aged Dell Dimension 2400.
> I rarely use same nowadays.

I hung onto XP (on the MacMini) because it was still fast and
functional. Even though it was a reboot away, I rarely used OSX 10.4
(Tiger) because there was little or anything I could do on that that I
couldn't equally do under Windows and easier. In fact, because OSX
didn't support much of my hardware ... and I found the MacOS GUI /
workflow bizarre, backwards and clumsy.

Even down to little things like not being able to right-click on the
desktop and create a range of things (like notepad doc).

Then the slot drive packed up and they cost a fortune to replace, plus
wouldn't take mini CD/DVD's (many drivers for more obscure hardware came
on them).

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Wilkinson]

On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 12:40:39 UTC, David B. wrote:
> On 1 Feb 2024 at 11:02:51 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 1 February 2024 at 09:39:39 UTC, David B. wrote:
> >> On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:46:17 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
> >>> On Jan 31, 2024 at 6:16:19 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 31 Jan 2024 at 23:05:45 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2024 at 5:49:15 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why would you want to?
> >>>
> >>> And the drama continues.
> >>
> >> Yes, this *IS* Usenet!
> >>>> EtreCheck provides an EXCELLENT overview of what is happening and/or is
> >>>> installed on an Apple computer running a macOS.
> >>>
> >>> Sure it does. That's why you spend all of your free time trashing the
> >>> software, the company, the person and his family.
> >>
> >> Please provide EVIDENCE of what you claim.
> >
> > Plenty of evidence and most people have witnessed it.
> So YOU cannot provide any evidence either?!!!

Not that you would count anything as evidence.
But how do you know that John Daniel doesn't have a wife and family. ?

or are you getting him confused with your old friend/lover Jack Daniel's

> >> As far as I'm aware, John Daniel (Developer) doesn't have a wife and family.
> >
> > So you've tried stalking him too, no suprise to anyone.
> He's not genuine.

how do you know that "He's not genuine" and what exactly do you mean by it.

> >> Methinks you are confusing EtreCheck and ClamXAV!
> >
> > and where did he state he was even talking about any particular thing.
> > You've tried with clamX and daysix and I don't even bother reading most of the
> > BS you post.
> Then you need to pay closer attention to the facts.

You haven't presented any facts just acusations with NO evidence to support them.

> > You've even claimed clamX told you that there are no viruses on your Mac.
> Cite!

I've better memory than you, prove that you've even used clamX . Cite

> > I think the viruses are in your head, which clamX couldn't check.
> Not so, dear boy!

Are you now claiming that clamX can check for viruses in brains ?

> https://www.mymac.com/2016/06/mymac-com-spotlight-mark-allan/

and that proves what exactly ?

> > I suggest contacting the NHS with the view to getting a counsellor.
> > Like a friend of mine did after he was convinced that aliens took lager from
> > the can of lager
> > which was in his fridge, but they managed to do it without breaking the pull
> > tab.
> > He showed me the evidence via a metal locked case he brought over to me,
> > showing me that the can was empty and contained no liquid/lager and the pull
> > tab still intacked.
> > He submerged the can in water and no air bubbles came out and that was more
> > proof that
> > the only answer was that aliens had came from somewhere with advanced
> > technology to beam out the contents of
> > just one of the 3 remaining cans of lager and leave.
> >
> > Now you explain to me how and why they did that and I'll tell you everything
> > you need to know about clamX, EtreCheck and daysix.
> I don't believe that you have a clue about the connection between
> www.daysix.co and www.clamxav.com

You don't either other than at some point they did their website.
What connection do you think there's is .

>
> The former use Apple computers in their business. Do they use ClamXAV to
> protect them? I think not.

Who cares other than you. What relivance does it have.

> >>>> Sadly, I have no idea what else EtreCheck does on my iMac. It might be
> >>>> stealing my private information but I have no way of knowing that, do I?
> >
> > you don't have any way of knowing anything do you ?
> > How do you know that Apple or God aren't stealing your information ?
> Both are welcome to have whatever they wish. I have no secrets.

So why worry about it then.

> >>> Yes, you do know that it does not steal anything. You have been told and shown
> >>> countless times. But your mental illness prevents you from remembering that.
> >>
> >> WHO has shown me? Where? Please provide links to same. Or are you simply
> >> bullshitting?
> >
> > We all know who's BSing.
> I invariably tell the truth, so not me.

The truth as you see it a bit like D. Trump.

> >>>>> Are you in your Depressive state and now you trust
> >>>>> EtreCheck? Next week when you are Hyper-Manic and have a paranoid freak out
> >>>>> will you delete EtreCheck and re-install Linux 5 times?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have Linux Mint installed permanently on my 24 inch Apple iMac.
> >>>
> >>> Sure you do. At least until your next Manic episode.
> >>
> >> Here's a photograph - evidence! https://i.ibb.co/T43NjkK/IMG-1845.jpg
> >
> > Wow amazing , but what does it prove.
> It proves that I'm telling the truth.

How ? it's a picture of a Mac running mint.
If you put a picture of a vagina up that would prove you're a women would it ?

> >>>> What facility can YOU recommend
> >>>
> >>> I recomment your nearest mental health facility. You need treatment. Although
> >>> it might be easier and better for all concerned if they just put you down.
> >
> > I'd recommend setting fire to the computer and praying to God that nothing bad
> > will happen.
> > Fire kills all known viruses too.
> Is your employer aware that you are now recommending using arson?

I'm not you idiot.

> The police might aslo be interested in your slide towards terrorism.
> Thank you for your openness.

or your mental health issues.

[T i m]

On 01/02/2024 12:58, T i m wrote:
<snip>>>> If you want something more GUI, have a look in the various adding

>>> software tools you can browse (in the Linux ripoff of Control Panel).
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what to look for.
>
> In Software Centre or similar search for 'system' or 'info' and see if
> anything comes up.
>>

Software Manager > Hardinfo

It's similar to 'Speccy' for Windows (if you are familiar with that).

Cheers, T i m

[Gremlin]

David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2013b...@mid.individual.net Wed,

31 Jan 2024 22:49:15 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?

Not when running Linux, no. It's intended for MacOS.

> If not, WHY not, please?

See above.




--
My entire life can be summed up in one sentence...
"Well, that didn't fucking go as planned."

[David B.]

On 1 Feb 2024 at 22:44:54 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:

> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2013b...@mid.individual.net Wed,
> 31 Jan 2024 22:49:15 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>
> Not when running Linux, no. It's intended for MacOS.

I appreciate your response. Thank you. :-)

>> If not, WHY not, please?
>
> See above.

As you know full well, EtreCheck is currently available to all, free of
charge.

I know that you work hard as an electrician, work which is not always easy.
I commend you for starting that training and for pursuing a career in that
field to this day.

Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
a living?
Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
him with an income?
I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.

https://i.ibb.co/yRVwVv4/Screenshot-2022-04-19-at-17-13-29.png

You'll note he claimed to be working for Etresoft since 2013 - yet the company
wasn't formed until 2015!

I have the evidence if you'd like it.

[Gremlin]

David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l22naa...@mid.individual.net

Thu, 01 Feb 2024 23:20:42 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 1 Feb 2024 at 22:44:54 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>
>> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2013b...@mid.individual.net
>> Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:49:15 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>
>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>>
>> Not when running Linux, no. It's intended for MacOS.
>
> I appreciate your response. Thank you. :-)

No problem.

>>> If not, WHY not, please?
>>
>> See above.
>
> As you know full well, EtreCheck is currently available to all, free of
> charge.

Yep.

> I know that you work hard as an electrician, work which is not always
> easy. I commend you for starting that training and for pursuing a career
> in that field to this day.

Thanks?

<https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8WQatJb/>

Just one aspect of the electrical work I do... if you were interested in
seeing what it's actually like..

> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually
> makes a living?

Nope. It doesn't concern me.

> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which
> provide him with an income?
> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.

I don't think it's fair that you label him as a fraud because you don't know
his source(s) of income, David. Etrecheck is legitimate software. It's
harmless.

> https://i.ibb.co/yRVwVv4/Screenshot-2022-04-19-at-17-13-29.png
>
> You'll note he claimed to be working for Etresoft since 2013 - yet the
> company wasn't formed until 2015!

And? Etresoft could have been a pet project in the beginning that he decided
to take more seriously and file paperwork for. Why are you really riding the
guy? I somewhat understand why you ride me, but, he doesn't have the
background that I have, so.. why are you so focused on him?

If you hadn't of approached him in a very odd duck manner and then attack
his software along with him, he might have interacted with you. David, you
really do come off as something strange when you email people out of the
blue, quickly trying to establish some sort of friendship and then getting
personal. It does *not* help you to bring up Nick when you do this.

* As for Nick, I apologize for the lewd and crude shit I did concerning him.
I have cancelled what was planned and no further action, no matter what
obnoxious shit you write in the future will change that. I'm going to leave
his memory alone going forward. May I suggest you not keep bringing him up
when you discuss matters with strangers in the future?

> I have the evidence if you'd like it.

It's not really evidence of anything, though, David.

[David B.]

On 2 Feb 2024 at 01:35:10 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:

> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l22naa...@mid.individual.net
> Thu, 01 Feb 2024 23:20:42 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On 1 Feb 2024 at 22:44:54 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>
>>> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2013b...@mid.individual.net
>>> Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:49:15 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
>>>
>>> Not when running Linux, no. It's intended for MacOS.
>>
>> I appreciate your response. Thank you. :-)
>
> No problem.
>
>>>> If not, WHY not, please?
>>>
>>> See above.
>>
>> As you know full well, EtreCheck is currently available to all, free of
>> charge.
>
> Yep.

I did also purchase the Pro version - to experiment!

>> I know that you work hard as an electrician, work which is not always
>> easy. I commend you for starting that training and for pursuing a career
>> in that field to this day.
>
> Thanks?
>
> <https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8WQatJb/>
>
> Just one aspect of the electrical work I do... if you were interested in
> seeing what it's actually like..

One needs much patience to complete such work satisfactorily! <rolls eyes>

FYI, here's a screenshot of how your YT video looks on my 27 inch iMac.
https://i.ibb.co/LSxY2dD/Screenshot-2024-02-02-at-08-45-50.png
Few folk realise that they should hold thier smartphone in landscape mode when
filming so as to avoid the broad black areas on playback.

>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually
>> makes a living?
>
> Nope. It doesn't concern me.

I think it should!

>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which
>> provide him with an income?
>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
>
> I don't think it's fair that you label him as a fraud because you don't know
> his source(s) of income, David. Etrecheck is legitimate software. It's
> harmless.

You've said that before, but you've not tested it on a Mac, have you?

>> https://i.ibb.co/yRVwVv4/Screenshot-2022-04-19-at-17-13-29.png
>>
>> You'll note he claimed to be working for Etresoft since 2013 - yet the
>> company wasn't formed until 2015!
>
> And? Etresoft could have been a pet project in the beginning that he decided
> to take more seriously and file paperwork for. Why are you really riding the
> guy? I somewhat understand why you ride me, but, he doesn't have the
> background that I have, so.. why are you so focused on him?

Because he's not truthful. I actually HELPED him with the development of his
product way back in 2014!!!

You're a techie - you might just be interested to read our interaction here,
me posting with my original Apple user name of HunterBD

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6781873?sortBy=best

> If you hadn't of approached him in a very odd duck manner and then attack
> his software along with him, he might have interacted with you. David, you
> really do come off as something strange when you email people out of the
> blue, quickly trying to establish some sort of friendship and then getting
> personal. It does *not* help you to bring up Nick when you do this.

I note what you say, but it IS what motivated me to go searching for 'bad
guys' after he died - and I stopped work and had free time on my hands.

> * As for Nick, I apologize for the lewd and crude shit I did concerning him.
> I have cancelled what was planned and no further action, no matter what
> obnoxious shit you write in the future will change that. I'm going to leave
> his memory alone going forward. May I suggest you not keep bringing him up
> when you discuss matters with strangers in the future?

Understood ..... and thank you. It was the 25th anniversary last month.

I forgive you.

>> I have the evidence if you'd like it.
>
> It's not really evidence of anything, though, David.

I informed the appropriate Canadian Government department that his registered
Company Address is nothing but a 'front' using a PO Box Number.
That is against their laws. I understand that their police are now
investigating further.

The truth WILL out - always.

[Dave Wilkinson]

On Friday 2 February 2024 at 09:29:14 UTC, David B. wrote:
> On 2 Feb 2024 at 01:35:10 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>
> > David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l22naa...@mid.individual.net
> > Thu, 01 Feb 2024 23:20:42 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> >
> >> On 1 Feb 2024 at 22:44:54 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2013b...@mid.individual.net
> >>> Wed, 31 Jan 2024 22:49:15 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Can I use EtreCheck on my iMac running Linux Mint?
> >>>
> >>> Not when running Linux, no. It's intended for MacOS.
> >>
> >> I appreciate your response. Thank you. :-)
> >
> > No problem.
> >
> >>>> If not, WHY not, please?
> >>>
> >>> See above.
> >>
> >> As you know full well, EtreCheck is currently available to all, free of
> >> charge.
> >
> > Yep.
> I did also purchase the Pro version - to experiment!

Well good for you. So in what way does it differ from the free version and how is that important to you.

> >> I know that you work hard as an electrician, work which is not always
> >> easy. I commend you for starting that training and for pursuing a career
> >> in that field to this day.
> >
> > Thanks?
> >
> > <https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8WQatJb/>
> >
> > Just one aspect of the electrical work I do... if you were interested in
> > seeing what it's actually like..
> One needs much patience to complete such work satisfactorily! <rolls eyes>

Yes and H&S is a real issue with this sort of thing.

>
> FYI, here's a screenshot of how your YT video looks on my 27 inch iMac.
> https://i.ibb.co/LSxY2dD/Screenshot-2024-02-02-at-08-45-50.png
> Few folk realise that they should hold thier smartphone in landscape mode when
> filming so as to avoid the broad black areas on playback.

True, but there are a few occasions where holding a smartphone vertically is the better option.
But I think it's less to do with the broad black areas, it's more to do with how our eyes are orientated on our heads.
We sort of view most things more effecintly when they are presented in landscape mode.

I was on my way home last night and quite a few people were taking photos of this scene . I think all, of them but me was holding theirs in potrait mode
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fxdA9vFG3B6CY5mE7

> >> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually
> >> makes a living?
> >
> > Nope. It doesn't concern me.
> I think it should!

I'd say what our polititions are doing in gaza the middle east and many other things that are going on around the world
should be more closely scrutinised than a software package.
Unless of course you believe that in some way it will start WW3.

> >> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which
> >> provide him with an income?
> >> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
> >
> > I don't think it's fair that you label him as a fraud because you don't know
> > his source(s) of income, David. Etrecheck is legitimate software. It's
> > harmless.
> You've said that before, but you've not tested it on a Mac, have you?

Well I wouldn't suggest to someone to 'try' a product that I thought could do harm to their Mac or even PC.
But do you want us to test our Macs or the software ?

> >> https://i.ibb.co/yRVwVv4/Screenshot-2022-04-19-at-17-13-29.png
> >>
> >> You'll note he claimed to be working for Etresoft since 2013 - yet the
> >> company wasn't formed until 2015!
> >
> > And? Etresoft could have been a pet project in the beginning that he decided
> > to take more seriously and file paperwork for. Why are you really riding the
> > guy? I somewhat understand why you ride me, but, he doesn't have the
> > background that I have, so.. why are you so focused on him?

Some of our students work for companies while complteting their degree it's like a sandwhich course
was years ago or day release when I did it.
Not sure what happens legally about any product they develope while studying but there are conflicting
POVs that emerge the company says anything they do woill be owned by the company as they are paying the fees.
They college claims that anything done while they are a student they own the intellectual copyright.
A coupke of studetns have asked me tio sign a non-disclosure agreement before I order their componts, I've refused
and told them if they don;t tell me what components to order then I can't order them and they should contact their employee
and get them to order them.
You see I'm employed by the college NOT the student or their company.

> Because he's not truthful. I actually HELPED him with the development of his
> product way back in 2014!!!

How could you the company didn't exist until 2015 according to you.
So therefore you are lying..

>
> You're a techie - you might just be interested to read our interaction here,
> me posting with my original Apple user name of HunterBD
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6781873?sortBy=best

Had a quick look I can't see any indication you've helped anyone.
You've provided feedback which wasn't very helpful.

> > If you hadn't of approached him in a very odd duck manner and then attack
> > his software along with him, he might have interacted with you. David, you
> > really do come off as something strange when you email people out of the
> > blue, quickly trying to establish some sort of friendship and then getting
> > personal. It does *not* help you to bring up Nick when you do this.
> I note what you say, but it IS what motivated me to go searching for 'bad
> guys' after he died - and I stopped work and had free time on my hands.

Maybe do something good then , charity work , fund raising etc...

> > * As for Nick, I apologize for the lewd and crude shit I did concerning him.
> > I have cancelled what was planned and no further action, no matter what
> > obnoxious shit you write in the future will change that. I'm going to leave
> > his memory alone going forward. May I suggest you not keep bringing him up
> > when you discuss matters with strangers in the future?
> Understood ..... and thank you. It was the 25th anniversary last month.
>
> I forgive you.
> >> I have the evidence if you'd like it.
> >
> > It's not really evidence of anything, though, David.
> I informed the appropriate Canadian Government department that his registered
> Company Address is nothing but a 'front' using a PO Box Number.
> That is against their laws. I understand that their police are now
> investigating further.

Maybe that you should more closely lok up canadian law .
On the website it's
Etresoft, Inc.
21 Simcoe Street South
Oshawa Ontario L1H 4G1
Canada


But Companies do use a PO box for various reasons.
In the 70s-80s I used to send my kodachrome slide for processing
to Kodaks PO box (think it was 14 but can;t remember)
in Hemel Hempsted .
If you don't believe me ask around.

I don't think Kodak is a fake company or a 'front'

> The truth WILL out - always.

yeah sure just take a look at the Bible.(KJV)
over 14 thousand inconsistancies when compared with the original scipts.

[David B.]

On 2 Feb 2024 at 17:36:52 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
>> a living?
>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
>> him with an income?
>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
>

> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of income
> is?

I'm a concerned citizen.

> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know someone's
> source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously dangerous
> fucktard you are.

That's why I have already involved the Canadian police.
They can deal with him now.

[Dave Wilkinson]

On Friday 2 February 2024 at 18:04:51 UTC, David B. wrote:
> On 2 Feb 2024 at 17:36:52 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
> > On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
> >> a living?
> >> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
> >> him with an income?
> >> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
> >
> > What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of income
> > is?
>
> I'm a concerned citizen.

But that doesn't give you the right to know where or how anyone makes money.
Data protection and personal information

>
> > That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know someone's
> > source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously dangerous
> > fucktard you are.
>
> That's why I have already involved the Canadian police.
> They can deal with him now.

And they'll find nothing wrong, as you don't know Canadian law.

[David B.]

On 5 Feb 2024 at 12:51:49 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday 2 February 2024 at 18:04:51 UTC, David B. wrote:
>> On 2 Feb 2024 at 17:36:52 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
>>> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
>>>> a living?
>>>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
>>>> him with an income?
>>>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
>>>
>>> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of income
>>> is?
>>
>> I'm a concerned citizen.
>
> But that doesn't give you the right to know where or how anyone makes money.
> Data protection and personal information

I disagree, Dave. Honest folk don't hide from the truth.
You earn your money by working in a University laboratory. You don't hide
that.
I enjoy pension income from my past employers. I don't hide that either.

>>> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know someone's
>>> source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously dangerous
>>> fucktard you are.
>>
>> That's why I have already involved the Canadian police.
>> They can deal with him now.
>
> And they'll find nothing wrong, as you don't know Canadian law.

That would be great - IF they give him a clean bill of health.
Maybe they'll even discover HOW he earns his living .... certaily not from the
sales of EtreCheck!

It's a shame the Canadians don't have a facility like our own Companies House
site.
You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company

[Mike Easter]

BDB wrote:
> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company

I don't think Companies House gives that info.

And, depending upon the 'framework' of an amount, a million pounds isn't
really that much, such as over a few years, or the capitalization of a co.


--
Mike Easter

[David B.]

On 5 Feb 2024 at 16:49:16 GMT, "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:

> BDB wrote:
>> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
>> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
>> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company
>
> I don't think Companies House gives that info.

It does! See company accounts.

> And, depending upon the 'framework' of an amount, a million pounds isn't
> really that much, such as over a few years, or the capitalization of a co.

True. Most profit has been extracted as loans to the Directors. That happens
quite a lot with small companies.

[Mike Easter]

BDB wrote:

> "Mike Easter" wrote:
>> BDB wrote:
>>> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
>>> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
>>> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company
>>
>> I don't think Companies House gives that info.
>
> It does! See company accounts.
>

CANIMAAN SOFTWARE LTD
Company number SC500971

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC500971/more
> What's included in the company snapshot?
>
> The snapshot includes:
>
> Filing history
> Officers
> Persons with significant control
> Charges
> Insolvency
> Registers
>

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC500971
>
> Company Overview
> Filing history
> People
> More

No such 'company accounts' here.

Maybe you are thinking of something else.


--
Mike Easter

[Mike Easter]

Mike Easter wrote:
> No such 'company accounts' here.

Nor here:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/advanced-search

+ CANIMAAN SOFTWARE LTD => .csv which also does NOT contain 'company
accounts'.

--
Mike Easter

[David B.]

You need to select "Filing History"

[Mike Easter]

BDB wrote:
> You need to select "Filing History"

Hmm. Tho't I had done that already. OK got it.




--
Mike Easter

[David B.]

On 5 Feb 2024 at 22:28:01 GMT, "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:

> BDB wrote:
>> You need to select "Filing History"
>
> Hmm. Tho't I had done that already. OK got it.

No worries. As you'll have noted, there are 'changes in the wind';
We'll take another look in a couple of weeks time.

I do so wish that you had written to Mark Allan as I asked years ago - and
got him to come and discuss matters with us here in Usenet. There is
no hiding the truth here.

[Mike Easter]

BDB wrote:
> I do so wish that you had written to Mark Allan as I asked years ago - and
> got him to come and discuss matters with us here in Usenet. There is
> no hiding the truth here.

Somehow you fail to understand that your POV pointofview on 'that'
(where that is a concept that involves a great deal more than just MA &
his co) is completely whacky and is shared by virtually no one; you are
'alone' in that POV.

It is never going to happen that anyone is going to follow such a course
as you have described above.

If I were MA, I wouldn't have any part of wasting any of my time or
energy on anything going on in this ng, nor on social media for that
matter. I wouldn't even have a sm account of any type. I would only
promote my software in the manner which he is doing. I think the free
trial is a great idea.

I have a very minor difference of opinion from MA about the relationship
between ClamX and Clam, but the sphere of how the copyleft licenses work
is a labyrinth of confusion to me, so my opinion isn't really important.
If it doesn't bother Clam/Cisco/Talos, then it shouldn't 'bother' me
either.

I don't see why it is so difficult for you to realize that when the
'masses' think they want some kind of product, whether it be AV, 'crap
cleaners', or VPNs, whether they actually do or not, there is marketing
and money to be made by those who can reasonably scratch their itch.
Apparently there is some financial success in ClamX. Fine. Good for
Mark, his frau, his dog, and their friends and employees.


--
Mike Easter

[David B.]

Roger.
Out.

[Dave Wilkinson]

On Monday 5 February 2024 at 14:31:12 UTC, David B. wrote:
> On 5 Feb 2024 at 12:51:49 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday 2 February 2024 at 18:04:51 UTC, David B. wrote:
> >> On 2 Feb 2024 at 17:36:52 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
> >>> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
> >>>> a living?
> >>>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
> >>>> him with an income?
> >>>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
> >>>
> >>> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of income
> >>> is?
> >>
> >> I'm a concerned citizen.
> >
> > But that doesn't give you the right to know where or how anyone makes money.
> > Data protection and personal information
> I disagree, Dave. Honest folk don't hide from the truth.

You are allowed to hide personal information that is a fact.

> You earn your money by working in a University laboratory. You don't hide
> that.

But I do hide my card and PIN numbers.
There's no connection between honesty and hiding things.

> I enjoy pension income from my past employers. I don't hide that either.

Did you ever hide the details of where you were flying or of the aircraft.

> >>> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know someone's
> >>> source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously dangerous
> >>> fucktard you are.
> >>
> >> That's why I have already involved the Canadian police.
> >> They can deal with him now.
> >
> > And they'll find nothing wrong, as you don't know Canadian law.
> That would be great - IF they give him a clean bill of health.
> Maybe they'll even discover HOW he earns his living .... certaily not from the
> sales of EtreCheck!

As long as it's legal and you've provided no proof it isn't.

>
> It's a shame the Canadians don't have a facility like our own Companies House
> site.

Like that is realible. You do know you can registar a company and pick any address in the UK for £15 and they don't check it's valid.

> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company

and where does it say he's made over a £million! .
I see yet again your reading comprehesion is at fault.

[David B.]

On 6 Feb 2024 at 13:09:18 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday 5 February 2024 at 14:31:12 UTC, David B. wrote:
>> On 5 Feb 2024 at 12:51:49 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday 2 February 2024 at 18:04:51 UTC, David B. wrote:
>>>> On 2 Feb 2024 at 17:36:52 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
>>>>>> a living?
>>>>>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
>>>>>> him with an income?
>>>>>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of income
>>>>> is?
>>>>
>>>> I'm a concerned citizen.
>>>
>>> But that doesn't give you the right to know where or how anyone makes money.
>>> Data protection and personal information
>> I disagree, Dave. Honest folk don't hide from the truth.
>
> You are allowed to hide personal information that is a fact.

Public figures don't hide. He claims all manner of credentials, but there is
NO evidence to support such claims.

>> You earn your money by working in a University laboratory. You don't hide
>> that.
> But I do hide my card and PIN numbers.

So do I!

> There's no connection between honesty and hiding things.

That's simply not true.

>> I enjoy pension income from my past employers. I don't hide that either.
> Did you ever hide the details of where you were flying or of the aircraft.

No.

>>>>> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know someone's
>>>>> source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously dangerous
>>>>> fucktard you are.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I have already involved the Canadian police.
>>>> They can deal with him now.
>>>
>>> And they'll find nothing wrong, as you don't know Canadian law.
>> That would be great - IF they give him a clean bill of health.
>> Maybe they'll even discover HOW he earns his living .... certaily not from the
>> sales of EtreCheck!
>
> As long as it's legal and you've provided no proof it isn't.

I've no idea whether what he does is legal or not.

>> It's a shame the Canadians don't have a facility like our own Companies House
>> site.
>
> Like that is realible. You do know you can registar a company and pick any
> address in the UK for £15 and they don't check it's valid.

I don't believe that to be true.

>> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
>> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
>> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company
>
> and where does it say he's made over a £million! .
> I see yet again your reading comprehesion is at fault.

It's there or thereabouts!
It's shown on CH records, as I've explained to Mike Easter.

[Dave Wilkinson]

On Tuesday 6 February 2024 at 15:57:59 UTC, David B. wrote:
> On 6 Feb 2024 at 13:09:18 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday 5 February 2024 at 14:31:12 UTC, David B. wrote:
> >> On 5 Feb 2024 at 12:51:49 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday 2 February 2024 at 18:04:51 UTC, David B. wrote:
> >>>> On 2 Feb 2024 at 17:36:52 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
> >>>>> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
> >>>>>> a living?
> >>>>>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
> >>>>>> him with an income?
> >>>>>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of income
> >>>>> is?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm a concerned citizen.
> >>>
> >>> But that doesn't give you the right to know where or how anyone makes money.
> >>> Data protection and personal information
> >> I disagree, Dave. Honest folk don't hide from the truth.
> >
> > You are allowed to hide personal information that is a fact.
> Public figures don't hide.

He is NOT a public figure, and his not hiding if yuo can find him.

>He claims all manner of credentials, but there is
> NO evidence to support such claims.

You mean you can't find the evidence.
What evidence do you have that you that yuo were in the navy or flew planes I've not seen any evidence.

> >> You earn your money by working in a University laboratory. You don't hide
> >> that.
> > But I do hide my card and PIN numbers.
> So do I!
> > There's no connection between honesty and hiding things.
> That's simply not true.

Yes it is.

> >> I enjoy pension income from my past employers. I don't hide that either.
> > Did you ever hide the details of where you were flying or of the aircraft.
> No.

Starnge as someone I knew said he wasn;t allowed to give detaisl of flight pathes
for the jets he flew, he never even mentioned which ones he flew.
Something to do the the screts act.
You can't find these details from the many apps that track aircraft.
I've go one and paid for but no military aircraft appear on it.
Why is that what do they have to hide ?

> >>>>> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know someone's
> >>>>> source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously dangerous
> >>>>> fucktard you are.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's why I have already involved the Canadian police.
> >>>> They can deal with him now.
> >>>
> >>> And they'll find nothing wrong, as you don't know Canadian law.
> >> That would be great - IF they give him a clean bill of health.
> >> Maybe they'll even discover HOW he earns his living .... certaily not from the
> >> sales of EtreCheck!
> >
> > As long as it's legal and you've provided no proof it isn't.
> I've no idea whether what he does is legal or not.

Exacty you've no idea. People with no idea tend to make up ideas.
That's where God originated people had no idea where the wind and rain, thunder and lightling came from
so the goat hearders made up stories. Others followed because they know they could profit from them.
Just look at the tele-evangilists in the US.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/7QaAjHPeRuSjsPtK7

The catholic church and others aren't exactly poor are they.
Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion
there's lots of money in religion.

> >> It's a shame the Canadians don't have a facility like our own Companies House
> >> site.
> >
> > Like that is realible. You do know you can registar a company and pick any
> > address in the UK for £15 and they don't check it's valid.
> I don't believe that to be true.

Yes it is
Instances were all over the news a week or so ago in wales.
Part of the reason people are able to register companies at an address they have no link to is that Companies House do not do any detailed checks on the address when the company is registered. As long as the address given meets the basic criteria they will normally not look any further.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5Z18vrvw2RvdgHW8Kd074GS/companies-house

> >> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
> >> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
> >> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company
> >
> > and where does it say he's made over a £million! .
> > I see yet again your reading comprehesion is at fault.
> It's there or thereabouts!
> It's shown on CH records, as I've explained to Mike Easter.

you've explained nothing and that £970K is company assets NOT profit.
My assets are nealy half that and I don't work for a company selling products.

[David B.]

On 6 Feb 2024 at 16:25:56 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday 6 February 2024 at 15:57:59 UTC, David B. wrote:
>> On 6 Feb 2024 at 13:09:18 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday 5 February 2024 at 14:31:12 UTC, David B. wrote:
>>>> On 5 Feb 2024 at 12:51:49 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday 2 February 2024 at 18:04:51 UTC, David B. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2 Feb 2024 at 17:36:52 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
>>>>>>>> a living?
>>>>>>>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
>>>>>>>> him with an income?
>>>>>>>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of income
>>>>>>> is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a concerned citizen.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that doesn't give you the right to know where or how anyone makes money.
>>>>> Data protection and personal information
>>>> I disagree, Dave. Honest folk don't hide from the truth.
>>>
>>> You are allowed to hide personal information that is a fact.
>> Public figures don't hide.
>
> He is NOT a public figure, and his not hiding if yuo can find him.

I disagree.

>> He claims all manner of credentials, but there is
>> NO evidence to support such claims.
>
> You mean you can't find the evidence.
> What evidence do you have that you that yuo were in the navy or flew planes
> I've not seen any evidence.

Check for yourself, here:- http://www.navylistresearch.co.uk

I have published copies of my Pilot's Log Book.

>>>> You earn your money by working in a University laboratory. You don't hide
>>>> that.
>>> But I do hide my card and PIN numbers.
>> So do I!
>>> There's no connection between honesty and hiding things.
>> That's simply not true.
>
> Yes it is.

<shrug>

>>>> I enjoy pension income from my past employers. I don't hide that either.
>>> Did you ever hide the details of where you were flying or of the aircraft.
>> No.
>
> Starnge as someone I knew said he wasn;t allowed to give detaisl of flight
> pathes
> for the jets he flew, he never even mentioned which ones he flew.
> Something to do the the screts act.
> You can't find these details from the many apps that track aircraft.
> I've go one and paid for but no military aircraft appear on it.
> Why is that what do they have to hide ?

I use FlightRadar24 - absolutely excellent.

>>>>>>> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know someone's
>>>>>>> source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously dangerous
>>>>>>> fucktard you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why I have already involved the Canadian police.
>>>>>> They can deal with him now.
>>>>>
>>>>> And they'll find nothing wrong, as you don't know Canadian law.
>>>> That would be great - IF they give him a clean bill of health.
>>>> Maybe they'll even discover HOW he earns his living .... certaily not from the
>>>> sales of EtreCheck!
>>>
>>> As long as it's legal and you've provided no proof it isn't.
>> I've no idea whether what he does is legal or not.
>
> Exacty you've no idea. People with no idea tend to make up ideas.
> That's where God originated people had no idea where the wind and rain,
> thunder and lightling came from
> so the goat hearders made up stories. Others followed because they know they
> could profit from them.
> Just look at the tele-evangilists in the US.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/7QaAjHPeRuSjsPtK7
>
> The catholic church and others aren't exactly poor are they.
> Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15
> billion
> there's lots of money in religion.

There's still time for you to learn the truth.

>>>> It's a shame the Canadians don't have a facility like our own Companies House
>>>> site.
>>>
>>> Like that is realible. You do know you can registar a company and pick any
>>> address in the UK for £15 and they don't check it's valid.
>> I don't believe that to be true.
>
> Yes it is
> Instances were all over the news a week or so ago in wales.
> Part of the reason people are able to register companies at an address they
> have no link to is that Companies House do not do any detailed checks on the
> address when the company is registered. As long as the address given meets the
> basic criteria they will normally not look any further.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5Z18vrvw2RvdgHW8Kd074GS/companies-house

I'd not seen that before. Thanks. Somewhat of a 'red herring'.
There's nothing suspicious or untoward about our Companies House GOVERNMENT
website.

>>>> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
>>>> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
>>>> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company
>>>
>>> and where does it say he's made over a £million! .
>>> I see yet again your reading comprehesion is at fault.
>> It's there or thereabouts!
>> It's shown on CH records, as I've explained to Mike Easter.
>
> you've explained nothing and that £970K is company assets NOT profit.
> My assets are nealy half that and I don't work for a company selling products.

Half of those funds have been creamed back as what are known as Director's
Loans, a legal instrument, but I suspect being abused by Mr Allan.

I'm pleased to learn that you, personally, are quite comfortably off! ;-)
I suspect that you've got a good government-backed pension scheme to keep you
going once you stop work!

[Dave Wilkinson]

On Wednesday 7 February 2024 at 12:16:04 UTC, David B. wrote:
> On 6 Feb 2024 at 16:25:56 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 6 February 2024 at 15:57:59 UTC, David B. wrote:
> >> On 6 Feb 2024 at 13:09:18 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Monday 5 February 2024 at 14:31:12 UTC, David B. wrote:
> >>>> On 5 Feb 2024 at 12:51:49 GMT, "Dave Wilkinson" <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Friday 2 February 2024 at 18:04:51 UTC, David B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2 Feb 2024 at 17:36:52 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually makes
> >>>>>>>> a living?
> >>>>>>>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which provide
> >>>>>>>> him with an income?
> >>>>>>>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of income
> >>>>>>> is?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm a concerned citizen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But that doesn't give you the right to know where or how anyone makes money.
> >>>>> Data protection and personal information
> >>>> I disagree, Dave. Honest folk don't hide from the truth.
> >>>
> >>> You are allowed to hide personal information that is a fact.
> >> Public figures don't hide.
> >
> > He is NOT a public figure, and his not hiding if yuo can find him.
> I disagree.

You're wrong then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure
Unless you can state why you consider him a public figure.

> >> He claims all manner of credentials, but there is
> >> NO evidence to support such claims.
> >
> > You mean you can't find the evidence.
> > What evidence do you have that you that yuo were in the navy or flew planes
> > I've not seen any evidence.
> Check for yourself, here:- http://www.navylistresearch.co.uk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wilkinson_(theologian)
see there you got, there's 3 people in my local area with teh same name as my doctor told me.

> I have published copies of my Pilot's Log Book.

Where's the evidence of your earnings ?

> >>>> You earn your money by working in a University laboratory. You don't hide
> >>>> that.
> >>> But I do hide my card and PIN numbers.
> >> So do I!
> >>> There's no connection between honesty and hiding things.
> >> That's simply not true.
> >
> > Yes it is.
> <shrug>

Just because you believe something doesn't make it true.
But you're are free to believe whatever you like, some believe the earth is flat,
some believe in santa claus, spaghetti monster, we never landed on the moon
or that they won an election.
If you want to be believed by others you need to post facts which can usually be tested.

> >>>> I enjoy pension income from my past employers. I don't hide that either.
> >>> Did you ever hide the details of where you were flying or of the aircraft.
> >> No.
> >
> > Starnge as someone I knew said he wasn;t allowed to give detaisl of flight
> > pathes
> > for the jets he flew, he never even mentioned which ones he flew.
> > Something to do the the screts act.
> > You can't find these details from the many apps that track aircraft.
> > I've go one and paid for but no military aircraft appear on it.
> > Why is that what do they have to hide ?
> I use FlightRadar24 - absolutely excellent.

Yes I use that too but never seen any military aircraft on over certain areas
like afghanistan, gaza or any other troubled areas .

> >>>>>>> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know someone's
> >>>>>>> source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously dangerous
> >>>>>>> fucktard you are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's why I have already involved the Canadian police.
> >>>>>> They can deal with him now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And they'll find nothing wrong, as you don't know Canadian law.
> >>>> That would be great - IF they give him a clean bill of health.
> >>>> Maybe they'll even discover HOW he earns his living .... certaily not from the
> >>>> sales of EtreCheck!
> >>>
> >>> As long as it's legal and you've provided no proof it isn't.
> >> I've no idea whether what he does is legal or not.
> >
> > Exacty you've no idea. People with no idea tend to make up ideas.
> > That's where God originated people had no idea where the wind and rain,
> > thunder and lightling came from
> > so the goat hearders made up stories. Others followed because they know they
> > could profit from them.
> > Just look at the tele-evangilists in the US.
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/7QaAjHPeRuSjsPtK7
> >
> > The catholic church and others aren't exactly poor are they.
> > Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15
> > billion
> > there's lots of money in religion.
> There's still time for you to learn the truth.

I already know the truth, but there's lots of naive people out there.
My ex flatmate being one of them.
She told me that we know what Jesus looked like because of the painting The Last Supper.

Do you also believe that is the case ?

> >>>> It's a shame the Canadians don't have a facility like our own Companies House
> >>>> site.
> >>>
> >>> Like that is realible. You do know you can registar a company and pick any
> >>> address in the UK for £15 and they don't check it's valid.
> >> I don't believe that to be true.
> >
> > Yes it is
> > Instances were all over the news a week or so ago in wales.
> > Part of the reason people are able to register companies at an address they
> > have no link to is that Companies House do not do any detailed checks on the
> > address when the company is registered. As long as the address given meets the
> > basic criteria they will normally not look any further.
> >
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5Z18vrvw2RvdgHW8Kd074GS/companies-house
> I'd not seen that before. Thanks. Somewhat of a 'red herring'.
> There's nothing suspicious or untoward about our Companies House GOVERNMENT
> website.

Just not very relible as being factual about componies.

> >>>> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
> >>>> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
> >>>> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company
> >>>
> >>> and where does it say he's made over a £million! .
> >>> I see yet again your reading comprehesion is at fault.
> >> It's there or thereabouts!
> >> It's shown on CH records, as I've explained to Mike Easter.
> >
> > you've explained nothing and that £970K is company assets NOT profit.
> > My assets are nealy half that and I don't work for a company selling products.
> Half of those funds have been creamed back as what are known as Director's
> Loans, a legal instrument, but I suspect being abused by Mr Allan.

But still no proof and the "over a £million!" is £970K for the whole company Canimaan Software Ltd.
I'm guessing more than just MA works there.
You do know what assets are, I did accounting at school not teh most exciting subject
but at least I understood the basics.

> I'm pleased to learn that you, personally, are quite comfortably off! ;-)

I'll be OK but it seems you might be better off if you've not had to work for the past 20 years of so.

> I suspect that you've got a good government-backed pension scheme to keep you
> going once you stop work!

Not as good as a politicians or those in the armed forces it seems.
But I have been paying into a pention for over 30 years now.

[David B.]

Maybe it's his fellow company director who is the more famous?

Teresa Pierce.

https://ised-isde.canada.ca/cc/lgcy/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=9212671&V_TOKEN=null&crpNm=Etresoft%20Inc&crpNmbr=&bsNmbr=

A Professor! https://ontariotechu.ca/experts/fssh/teresa-pierce.php

>>>> He claims all manner of credentials, but there is
>>>> NO evidence to support such claims.
>>>
>>> You mean you can't find the evidence.
>>> What evidence do you have that you that yuo were in the navy or flew planes
>>> I've not seen any evidence.
>> Check for yourself, here:- http://www.navylistresearch.co.uk
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wilkinson_(theologian)
> see there you got, there's 3 people in my local area with teh same name as my
> doctor told me.
>
>> I have published copies of my Pilot's Log Book.
>
> Where's the evidence of your earnings ?

Nobody has ever asked.

>>>>>> You earn your money by working in a University laboratory. You don't hide
>>>>>> that.
>>>>> But I do hide my card and PIN numbers.
>>>> So do I!
>>>>> There's no connection between honesty and hiding things.
>>>> That's simply not true.
>>>
>>> Yes it is.
>> <shrug>
>
> Just because you believe something doesn't make it true.
> But you're are free to believe whatever you like, some believe the earth is
> flat,
> some believe in santa claus, spaghetti monster, we never landed on the moon
> or that they won an election.
> If you want to be believed by others you need to post facts which can usually
> be tested.

I tell you the truth.

>>>>>> I enjoy pension income from my past employers. I don't hide that either.
>>>>> Did you ever hide the details of where you were flying or of the aircraft.
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Starnge as someone I knew said he wasn;t allowed to give detaisl of flight
>>> pathes
>>> for the jets he flew, he never even mentioned which ones he flew.
>>> Something to do the the screts act.
>>> You can't find these details from the many apps that track aircraft.
>>> I've go one and paid for but no military aircraft appear on it.
>>> Why is that what do they have to hide ?
>> I use FlightRadar24 - absolutely excellent.
>
> Yes I use that too but never seen any military aircraft on over certain areas
> like afghanistan, gaza or any other troubled areas .

For obvious reasons!

No.

>>>>>> It's a shame the Canadians don't have a facility like our own Companies House
>>>>>> site.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like that is realible. You do know you can registar a company and pick any
>>>>> address in the UK for £15 and they don't check it's valid.
>>>> I don't believe that to be true.
>>>
>>> Yes it is
>>> Instances were all over the news a week or so ago in wales.
>>> Part of the reason people are able to register companies at an address they
>>> have no link to is that Companies House do not do any detailed checks on the
>>> address when the company is registered. As long as the address given meets the
>>> basic criteria they will normally not look any further.
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5Z18vrvw2RvdgHW8Kd074GS/companies-house
>> I'd not seen that before. Thanks. Somewhat of a 'red herring'.
>> There's nothing suspicious or untoward about our Companies House GOVERNMENT
>> website.
>
> Just not very relible as being factual about componies.

I disagree.

>>>>>> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
>>>>>> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
>>>>>> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company
>>>>>
>>>>> and where does it say he's made over a £million! .
>>>>> I see yet again your reading comprehesion is at fault.
>>>> It's there or thereabouts!
>>>> It's shown on CH records, as I've explained to Mike Easter.
>>>
>>> you've explained nothing and that £970K is company assets NOT profit.
>>> My assets are nealy half that and I don't work for a company selling products.
>> Half of those funds have been creamed back as what are known as Director's
>> Loans, a legal instrument, but I suspect being abused by Mr Allan.
>
> But still no proof and the "over a £million!" is £970K for the whole company
> Canimaan Software Ltd.
> I'm guessing more than just MA works there.
> You do know what assets are, I did accounting at school not teh most exciting
> subject
> but at least I understood the basics.
>
>
>
>> I'm pleased to learn that you, personally, are quite comfortably off! ;-)
>
> I'll be OK but it seems you might be better off if you've not had to work for
> the past 20 years of so.

Things have worked out OK, thanks.

>> I suspect that you've got a good government-backed pension scheme to keep you
>> going once you stop work!
>
> Not as good as a politicians or those in the armed forces it seems.
> But I have been paying into a pention for over 30 years now.

You'll be better off than most then! ;-)

[Dave Wilkinson]

No idea I don't consider either of them famous.

>
> Teresa Pierce.

Teresa Green is more famous.

>
> https://ised-isde.canada.ca/cc/lgcy/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=9212671&V_TOKEN=null&crpNm=Etresoft%20Inc&crpNmbr=&bsNmbr=
>
> A Professor! https://ontariotechu.ca/experts/fssh/teresa-pierce.php

Yes so, I work with professors, they aren't much differnt from anyone else , just that they specialise in a particular area.

> >>>> He claims all manner of credentials, but there is
> >>>> NO evidence to support such claims.
> >>>
> >>> You mean you can't find the evidence.
> >>> What evidence do you have that you that yuo were in the navy or flew planes
> >>> I've not seen any evidence.
> >> Check for yourself, here:- http://www.navylistresearch.co.uk
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wilkinson_(theologian)
> > see there you got, there's 3 people in my local area with teh same name as my
> > doctor told me.
> >
> >> I have published copies of my Pilot's Log Book.
> >
> > Where's the evidence of your earnings ?
> Nobody has ever asked.

So now I am I need to know how you 'earn' your money.

> >>>>>> You earn your money by working in a University laboratory. You don't hide
> >>>>>> that.
> >>>>> But I do hide my card and PIN numbers.
> >>>> So do I!
> >>>>> There's no connection between honesty and hiding things.
> >>>> That's simply not true.
> >>>
> >>> Yes it is.
> >> <shrug>
> >
> > Just because you believe something doesn't make it true.
> > But you're are free to believe whatever you like, some believe the earth is
> > flat,
> > some believe in santa claus, spaghetti monster, we never landed on the moon
> > or that they won an election.
> > If you want to be believed by others you need to post facts which can usually
> > be tested.
> I tell you the truth.

yeah sure you expect me to believe your version of something is the truth you claimed MA earnt more than £million pound
but it was the company that had less than a million pound in assets .

> >>>>>> I enjoy pension income from my past employers. I don't hide that either.
> >>>>> Did you ever hide the details of where you were flying or of the aircraft.
> >>>> No.
> >>>
> >>> Starnge as someone I knew said he wasn;t allowed to give detaisl of flight
> >>> pathes
> >>> for the jets he flew, he never even mentioned which ones he flew.
> >>> Something to do the the screts act.
> >>> You can't find these details from the many apps that track aircraft.
> >>> I've go one and paid for but no military aircraft appear on it.
> >>> Why is that what do they have to hide ?
> >> I use FlightRadar24 - absolutely excellent.
> >
> > Yes I use that too but never seen any military aircraft on over certain areas
> > like afghanistan, gaza or any other troubled areas .
> For obvious reasons!

So what have they got to hide. I'd assume if you went on those missions or similar you'd have to hide such information.
my friend went to the falklands couldn;t tell anyone until the 'war' was over.
Those that worked at Bletchly park weren't allowed to tell anyone for 50+ years some kept it secret until they died.
Doesn't make them dishonest.

So how do we know what he looked like ?
I have my theories that is directly related to why he hasn't returned for the last 2+ thousand years ;-)

> >>>>>> It's a shame the Canadians don't have a facility like our own Companies House
> >>>>>> site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Like that is realible. You do know you can registar a company and pick any
> >>>>> address in the UK for £15 and they don't check it's valid.
> >>>> I don't believe that to be true.
> >>>
> >>> Yes it is
> >>> Instances were all over the news a week or so ago in wales.
> >>> Part of the reason people are able to register companies at an address they
> >>> have no link to is that Companies House do not do any detailed checks on the
> >>> address when the company is registered. As long as the address given meets the
> >>> basic criteria they will normally not look any further.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5Z18vrvw2RvdgHW8Kd074GS/companies-house
> >> I'd not seen that before. Thanks. Somewhat of a 'red herring'.
> >> There's nothing suspicious or untoward about our Companies House GOVERNMENT
> >> website.
> >
> > Just not very relible as being factual about componies.
> I disagree.

So you'd believe that a 3 bed house in a suburban street in wales where an elderly couple live is a buffalo ranch.
Because a compnay says it is. So nothing untoward going on is there.

> >>>>>> You can check there that Mark Allan from ClamXAV has made over a £million!
> >>>>>> Look under Canimaan Software Ltd.
> >>>>>> https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and where does it say he's made over a £million! .
> >>>>> I see yet again your reading comprehesion is at fault.
> >>>> It's there or thereabouts!
> >>>> It's shown on CH records, as I've explained to Mike Easter.
> >>>
> >>> you've explained nothing and that £970K is company assets NOT profit.
> >>> My assets are nealy half that and I don't work for a company selling products.
> >> Half of those funds have been creamed back as what are known as Director's
> >> Loans, a legal instrument, but I suspect being abused by Mr Allan.
> >
> > But still no proof and the "over a £million!" is £970K for the whole company
> > Canimaan Software Ltd.
> > I'm guessing more than just MA works there.
> > You do know what assets are, I did accounting at school not teh most exciting
> > subject
> > but at least I understood the basics.
> >
> >
> >
> >> I'm pleased to learn that you, personally, are quite comfortably off! ;-)
> >
> > I'll be OK but it seems you might be better off if you've not had to work for
> > the past 20 years of so.
> Things have worked out OK, thanks.

Someone could be suspicious of that, not many people can retire in their early 50s ,
and managed to accumulate enough money or property to do that.
Seems ronnie biggs did.

> >> I suspect that you've got a good government-backed pension scheme to keep you
> >> going once you stop work!
> >
> > Not as good as a politicians or those in the armed forces it seems.
> > But I have been paying into a pention for over 30 years now.
> You'll be better off than most then! ;-)

Well most that haven't paid into a pension, but liz truss after being just ~44 days as PM gets over £100,000 per year
that's 5X my pensions and she'll be getting state pention and money from giving talks.
I didn't realise being in the navy was so profitable either, I thought it was all about drinking rum and then trying to find that goldern rivet. :-)

[Gremlin]

David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l23qv7...@mid.individual.net

Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:29:11 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 2 Feb 2024 at 01:35:10 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>
> I did also purchase the Pro version - to experiment!

Why? You don't understand what it's actually for, how it actually works,
etc. What experimentation did you think you could perform that would have
any useful results?

>>> I know that you work hard as an electrician, work which is not always
>>> easy. I commend you for starting that training and for pursuing a
>>> career in that field to this day.
>>
>> Thanks?
>>
>> <https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8WQatJb/>
>>
>> Just one aspect of the electrical work I do... if you were interested
>> in seeing what it's actually like..
>
> One needs much patience to complete such work satisfactorily! <rolls
> eyes>

It takes more patience to work on pcbs, David. #12 solid is pretty stout;
you can man handle it without risk of breaking easily. <G> Even the blue
plastic new work boxes you see used in the video can take a little more
physical hands on than your typical pcb will tolerate without risk of
cracking or damaging surface mount connection pads. Now, I'm not going to
tell you I'm a perfect little angel who never gets pissed off and slings his
tools, or crushes a box, or snaps a receptacle in half, or takes his hammer
to a switch that really pissed me off, etc. It's a jobsite, and I am human.
<g>

Besides, a lot of the electrical work I do is commercial/industrial. I do
some resi, but that's not where the money is.

> FYI, here's a screenshot of how your YT video looks on my 27 inch iMac.
> https://i.ibb.co/LSxY2dD/Screenshot-2024-02-02-at-08-45-50.png
> Few folk realise that they should hold thier smartphone in landscape
> mode when filming so as to avoid the broad black areas on playback.

landscape mode provides additional details as well. :) Details strangers on
the internet don't really need to be seeing, David.

>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck,
>>> actually makes a living?
>>
>> Nope. It doesn't concern me.
>
> I think it should!

Why would that concern me? He's not leeching off my tax dollars. Someone
else who posts here does, though.

>> I don't think it's fair that you label him as a fraud because you don't
>> know his source(s) of income, David. Etrecheck is legitimate software.
>> It's harmless.
>
> You've said that before

Yep. Pointless then too, evidently. It's not like you care about the facts
concerning the software. You're pissed off because he and others have done
what I *should have done* when you emailed me that first time. SC is right,
I am one of those people who wants to help others, and you exploited that,
just like snit. But, that's on me for letting you, isn't it.

> but you've not tested it on a Mac, have you?

I have.

>> And? Etresoft could have been a pet project in the beginning that he
>> decided to take more seriously and file paperwork for. Why are you
>> really riding the guy? I somewhat understand why you ride me, but, he
>> doesn't have the background that I have, so.. why are you so focused on
>> him?
>
> Because he's not truthful.

Neither are your idols at Malwarebytes. Marcin isn't the Angel you think he
is. :)

> I actually HELPED him with the development of his product way back in
2014!!!

So what? I helped Marcin with his AboutBuster program long before there even
was a Malwarebytes. Oh, you didn't know that eh? Well, you do now. ROFL, the
people you worship and hold to such a high level of respect cracks me the
fuck up, it really does.

> You're a techie - you might just be interested to read our interaction
> here, me posting with my original Apple user name of HunterBD

Well, according to Tim, we are.. somehow, equal, with skills. <G>

MID: <uq3qq4$27vhu$1...@dont-email.me>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170752861200
> Further, only Apd has actually demonstrated the DO have the skills I lack
so I'm yet to see you have any greater skills than me.

Perhaps, you should be addressing these questions to him as well? Since we
have the same skillset. Well, he currently thinks we do, anyhow. <G>

> Understood ..... and thank you. It was the 25th anniversary last month.

I know. Had plans for something special this year for you, too. Cancelled
them. You're welcome.

> I forgive you.

I appreciate that, but, it wasn't why I did what I did, and wasn't
necessary.

> The truth WILL out - always.

Not always. Snit still doesn't think I'm Raid. And the truth is, I am. <G>

[Gremlin]

Tyrone <no...@none.none>
news:2IqcnXMjoM-ptSD4...@supernews.com Fri, 02 Feb 2024

17:36:52 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>

>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually
>> makes a living?
>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which
>> provide him with an income?
>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
>

> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of
> income is?
>

> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know
> someone's source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously
> dangerous fucktard you are.

That's David in a nutshell.

[Snit]

On Feb 9, 2024 at 6:52:03 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB113D4...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> Tyrone <no...@none.none>
> news:2IqcnXMjoM-ptSD4...@supernews.com Fri, 02 Feb 2024
> 17:36:52 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually
>>> makes a living?
>>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which
>>> provide him with an income?
>>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
>>
>> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of
>> income is?
>>
>> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know
>> someone's source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously
>> dangerous fucktard you are.
>
> That's David in a nutshell.

You and Carroll do that with me... claiming I am living off tax payers unless
your fishing expedition works.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2024-02-10, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2024 at 6:52:03 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
><XnsB113D4...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
>
>> Tyrone <no...@none.none>
>> news:2IqcnXMjoM-ptSD4...@supernews.com Fri, 02 Feb 2024
>> 17:36:52 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2024 at 6:20:42 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck, actually
>>>> makes a living?
>>>> Do you know of any other commercial products he has developed which
>>>> provide him with an income?
>>>> I suspect you won't find any! IMO, the man is a fraud.
>>>
>>> What makes you think you have any right to know what anyone's source of
>>> income is?
>>>
>>> That you conclude that someone is "a fraud" because YOU don't know
>>> someone's source of income only proves what a delusional and seriously
>>> dangerous fucktard you are.
>>
>> That's David in a nutshell.
>
> You and Carroll do that with me... claiming I am living off tax payers unless
> your fishing expedition works.

Cut the act, insane and ridiculous liar, at one point you were posting
~3000 posts a month (many of them *extremely lengthy*) to one ng under
one handle (meaning: that number doesn't count all your sock puppet BS)
and you did so while simultaneously posting to social media sites. Your
'business' clearly did not provide a sustainable income so *of course*
you used your alleged 'disabilities' to make a claim.

[pothead]

Snit has evolved into a pathological, lying, lunatic.
Lately he seems worse than ever.

At least his wife was smart enough to kick him to the curb, take the kids, and move on with
whatever is left of her life.
Things are going to get very interesting when snit's criminal trial begins. And then it will get
even more interesting when she demands alimony. Assuming snit is not incarcerated, he will likely
be living in his car or one of the various homeless shelters that are popping up like mushrooms.

Hey, I have a suggestion for snit. Sneak over the border into Mexico stay there for a while and
declare citizenship then sneak over the border into the US and declare asylum. Make sure to use
that fake Spanish accent he seems to enjoy and ask to be sent to NYC.
There he will get a refillable cash card, free food, housing in a 4 star hotel, his laundry done
and he doesn't have to do a thing for it !




--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[Steve Carroll]

From what I've seen, he's always been that.

> Lately he seems worse than ever.

No question.

> At least his wife was smart enough to kick him to the curb, take the kids, and move on with
> whatever is left of her life.
> Things are going to get very interesting when snit's criminal trial begins.

Over what charge (I only gave a cursory look at his record)? I'm
probably wrong but I thought DB (who he tells 'things' to) said this
stuff was pretty much wrapped up at this point.

> And then it will get
> even more interesting when she demands alimony. Assuming snit is not incarcerated, he will likely
> be living in his car or one of the various homeless shelters that are popping up like mushrooms.

He may already be.

> Hey, I have a suggestion for snit. Sneak over the border into Mexico stay there for a while and
> declare citizenship then sneak over the border into the US and declare asylum. Make sure to use
> that fake Spanish accent he seems to enjoy and ask to be sent to NYC.
> There he will get a refillable cash card, free food, housing in a 4 star hotel, his laundry done
> and he doesn't have to do a thing for it !

LOL!

I'm laughing because he probably *could* do this... but I should be
crying.

[David B.]

On 10 Feb 2024 at 01:52:02 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:

> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l23qv7...@mid.individual.net
> Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:29:11 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On 2 Feb 2024 at 01:35:10 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>
>> I did also purchase the Pro version - to experiment!
>
> Why? You don't understand what it's actually for, how it actually works,
> etc. What experimentation did you think you could perform that would have
> any useful results?

I discovered many things and kept a few graphics which I was able to share on
the ASC forums.
One interesting graphic showed that of all the folk who run EtreCheck,
about-thirds us an anti-malware software program.

If you have the time, please read through this thread:-
https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552

>>>> I know that you work hard as an electrician, work which is not always
>>>> easy. I commend you for starting that training and for pursuing a
>>>> career in that field to this day.
>>>
>>> Thanks?
>>>
>>> <https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8WQatJb/>
>>>
>>> Just one aspect of the electrical work I do... if you were interested
>>> in seeing what it's actually like..
>>
>> One needs much patience to complete such work satisfactorily! <rollseyes>
>
> It takes more patience to work on pcbs, David. #12 solid is pretty stout;
> you can man handle it without risk of breaking easily. <G> Even the blue
> plastic new work boxes you see used in the video can take a little more
> physical hands on than your typical pcb will tolerate without risk of
> cracking or damaging surface mount connection pads. Now, I'm not going to
> tell you I'm a perfect little angel who never gets pissed off and slings his
> tools, or crushes a box, or snaps a receptacle in half, or takes his hammer
> to a switch that really pissed me off, etc. It's a jobsite, and I am human.
> <g>

There are frustrations in every walk of life!

> Besides, a lot of the electrical work I do is commercial/industrial. I do
> some resi, but that's not where the money is.

Understood.

>> FYI, here's a screenshot of how your YT video looks on my 27 inch iMac.
>> https://i.ibb.co/LSxY2dD/Screenshot-2024-02-02-at-08-45-50.png
>> Few folk realise that they should hold thier smartphone in landscape
>> mode when filming so as to avoid the broad black areas on playback.
>
> landscape mode provides additional details as well. :) Details strangers on
> the internet don't really need to be seeing, David.

I'm rather saddened that you feel that way.

>>>> Have you any idea how John Daniel, the Developer of EtreCheck,
>>>> actually makes a living?
>>>
>>> Nope. It doesn't concern me.
>>
>> I think it should!
>
> Why would that concern me? He's not leeching off my tax dollars. Someone
> else who posts here does, though.

You surmise. You do not know the facts.

>>> I don't think it's fair that you label him as a fraud because you don't
>>> know his source(s) of income, David. Etrecheck is legitimate software.
>>> It's harmless.
>>
>> You've said that before
>
> Yep. Pointless then too, evidently. It's not like you care about the facts
> concerning the software. You're pissed off because he and others have done
> what I *should have done* when you emailed me that first time. SC is right,
> I am one of those people who wants to help others, and you exploited that,
> just like snit. But, that's on me for letting you, isn't it.
>
>> but you've not tested it on a Mac, have you?
>
> I have.

Really? Then tell me about YOUR experience.

>>> And? Etresoft could have been a pet project in the beginning that he
>>> decided to take more seriously and file paperwork for. Why are you
>>> really riding the guy? I somewhat understand why you ride me, but, he
>>> doesn't have the background that I have, so.. why are you so focused on
>>> him?
>>
>> Because he's not truthful.
>
> Neither are your idols at Malwarebytes. Marcin isn't the Angel you think he
> is. :)

Marcin is a businessman. None of them are angels!

>> I actually HELPED him with the development of his product way back in
> 2014!!!
>
> So what? I helped Marcin with his AboutBuster program long before there even
> was a Malwarebytes. Oh, you didn't know that eh? Well, you do now. ROFL, the
> people you worship and hold to such a high level of respect cracks me the
> fuck up, it really does.

Did you read the poem I posted?

>> You're a techie - you might just be interested to read our interaction
>> here, me posting with my original Apple user name of HunterBD
>
> Well, according to Tim, we are.. somehow, equal, with skills. <G>
>
> MID: <uq3qq4$27vhu$1...@dont-email.me>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170752861200
>> Further, only Apd has actually demonstrated the DO have the skills I lack
> so I'm yet to see you have any greater skills than me.
>
> Perhaps, you should be addressing these questions to him as well? Since we
> have the same skillset. Well, he currently thinks we do, anyhow. <G>

Tim has no clue about you and your kind!

>> Understood ..... and thank you. It was the 25th anniversary last month.
>
> I know. Had plans for something special this year for you, too. Cancelled
> them. You're welcome.

I appreciate that. Thank you.

>> I forgive you.
>
> I appreciate that, but, it wasn't why I did what I did, and wasn't
> necessary.
>
>> The truth WILL out - always.
>
> Not always. Snit still doesn't think I'm Raid. And the truth is, I am. <G>

David believes you! ;-)

[David B.]

On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:18:59 GMT, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> One interesting graphic showed that of all the folk who run EtreCheck,

> nearly two thirds of them use an anti-malware software program.

https://i.ibb.co/C2mG1Cq/Screenshot-2022-05-22-at-16-51-24.png

Interestingly, there's no mention of ClamXAV!

[Snit]

On Feb 10, 2024 at 7:42:39 AM MST, "David B." wrote
<l2pgav...@mid.individual.net>:

Why is that interesting?

[pothead]

True, to some degree.

>> Lately he seems worse than ever.
>
> No question.

+1

>> At least his wife was smart enough to kick him to the curb, take the kids, and move on with
>> whatever is left of her life.
>> Things are going to get very interesting when snit's criminal trial begins.
>
> Over what charge (I only gave a cursory look at his record)? I'm
> probably wrong but I thought DB (who he tells 'things' to) said this
> stuff was pretty much wrapped up at this point.

Look here and enter the requested information.

<https://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/>

>> And then it will get
>> even more interesting when she demands alimony. Assuming snit is not incarcerated, he will likely
>> be living in his car or one of the various homeless shelters that are popping up like mushrooms.
>
> He may already be.

+1

>> Hey, I have a suggestion for snit. Sneak over the border into Mexico stay there for a while and
>> declare citizenship then sneak over the border into the US and declare asylum. Make sure to use
>> that fake Spanish accent he seems to enjoy and ask to be sent to NYC.
>> There he will get a refillable cash card, free food, housing in a 4 star hotel, his laundry done
>> and he doesn't have to do a thing for it !
>
> LOL!
>
> I'm laughing because he probably *could* do this... but I should be
> crying.

I have pity on Mexico.
They have no idea the level of damage snit is capable of.
This could be the start of The Alamo part two.

[%]

pothead wrote:
> pothead
> Tommy Chong For President 2024.
> Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
> Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

tommy chong is a canadian he can't be president

[Steve Carroll]

I recall going to the site, but I don't recall what charges had been
dealt with, or not. In any event, to me that's not as 'notable' (his
favorite term) as Glasser trying to 'pretend it all away'. With any luck
he'll get what he has coming to him, but given the current state of
'justice' in the U.S. I don't hold out much in the way of hope. The
aspect of, 'you can't squeeze blood out of a stone', will probably come
into play... getting a judgement against him and actually collecting it
are two different things.

>>> And then it will get
>>> even more interesting when she demands alimony. Assuming snit is not incarcerated, he will likely
>>> be living in his car or one of the various homeless shelters that are popping up like mushrooms.
>>
>> He may already be.
>
> +1
>
>>> Hey, I have a suggestion for snit. Sneak over the border into Mexico stay there for a while and
>>> declare citizenship then sneak over the border into the US and declare asylum. Make sure to use
>>> that fake Spanish accent he seems to enjoy and ask to be sent to NYC.
>>> There he will get a refillable cash card, free food, housing in a 4 star hotel, his laundry done
>>> and he doesn't have to do a thing for it !
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> I'm laughing because he probably *could* do this... but I should be
>> crying.
>
> I have pity on Mexico.
> They have no idea the level of damage snit is capable of.
> This could be the start of The Alamo part two.

;)

[David B.]

On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:54:05 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 2024 at 7:42:39 AM MST, "David B." wrote
> <l2pgav...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:18:59 GMT, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> One interesting graphic showed that of all the folk who run EtreCheck,
>>> nearly two thirds of them use an anti-malware software program.
>>
>> https://i.ibb.co/C2mG1Cq/Screenshot-2022-05-22-at-16-51-24.png
>>
>> Interestingly, there's no mention of ClamXAV!
>
> Why is that interesting?

ClamXAV is designed specifically for Apple operating systems yet it seems that
few folk use it.

We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.
Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
Perhaps a screenshot too?

[Snit]

On Feb 10, 2024 at 11:11:34 AM MST, "David B." wrote
<l2psim...@mid.individual.net>:

> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:54:05 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 7:42:39 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>> <l2pgav...@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:18:59 GMT, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One interesting graphic showed that of all the folk who run EtreCheck,
>>>> nearly two thirds of them use an anti-malware software program.
>>>
>>> https://i.ibb.co/C2mG1Cq/Screenshot-2022-05-22-at-16-51-24.png
>>>
>>> Interestingly, there's no mention of ClamXAV!
>>
>> Why is that interesting?
>
> ClamXAV is designed specifically for Apple operating systems yet it seems that
> few folk use it.

All of the macOS apps were designed for macOS. Most of them are free. Why
would you think ClamXAV would be particularly popular?

>
> We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.

That is true of a lot of software. The developer seems to do very little with
FB, so what would draw them there?

> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?

I have no idea.

> Perhaps a screenshot too?

Can't you look?

[David B.]

On 10 Feb 2024 at 18:48:16 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 2024 at 11:11:34 AM MST, "David B." wrote
> <l2psim...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:54:05 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 7:42:39 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>> <l2pgav...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:18:59 GMT, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One interesting graphic showed that of all the folk who run EtreCheck,
>>>>> nearly two thirds of them use an anti-malware software program.
>>>>
>>>> https://i.ibb.co/C2mG1Cq/Screenshot-2022-05-22-at-16-51-24.png
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, there's no mention of ClamXAV!
>>>
>>> Why is that interesting?
>>
>> ClamXAV is designed specifically for Apple operating systems yet it seems that
>> few folk use it.
>
> All of the macOS apps were designed for macOS. Most of them are free. Why
> would you think ClamXAV would be particularly popular?

Most Anti-malware software can run on Microsoft Windows as well as on a Mac.
ClamXAV will ONLY run on a Mac.
It's 'special'!

>> We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.
>
> That is true of a lot of software. The developer seems to do very little with
> FB, so what would draw them there?

USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.
I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a product
from a one-man-band operation.

>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>
> I have no idea.

Did you bother to look?

>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>
> Can't you look?

No. I'm blocked.

[Snit]

David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 10 Feb 2024 at 18:48:16 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 11:11:34 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>> <l2psim...@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:54:05 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 7:42:39 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>>> <l2pgav...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:18:59 GMT, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One interesting graphic showed that of all the folk who run EtreCheck,
>>>>>> nearly two thirds of them use an anti-malware software program.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/C2mG1Cq/Screenshot-2022-05-22-at-16-51-24.png
>>>>>
>>>>> Interestingly, there's no mention of ClamXAV!
>>>>
>>>> Why is that interesting?
>>>
>>> ClamXAV is designed specifically for Apple operating systems yet it seems that
>>> few folk use it.
>>
>> All of the macOS apps were designed for macOS. Most of them are free. Why
>> would you think ClamXAV would be particularly popular?
>
> Most Anti-malware software can run on Microsoft Windows as well as on a Mac.

There’s a program called AVG for both Mac and windows, but it’s not the
same program. The Clam engine runs on lots of different systems. But lots
of developers only developed for one system. I’m not sure I’m
understanding.

> ClamXAV will ONLY run on a Mac.
> It's 'special'!

What special about it? Lots of software only works on one system.

>>> We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.
>>
>> That is true of a lot of software. The developer seems to do very little with
>> FB, so what would draw them there?
>
> USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.

Why? I don’t look at the Facebook page most of the software I use. I don’t
think I’ve ever looked at the AVG page unless you’ve pointed to it. What
makes you think most users are looking at that page?

> I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a product
> from a one-man-band operation.

Then why were you surprised to not see it on that pie chart?

>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>
>> I have no idea.
>
> Did you bother to look?

No.

>
>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>
>> Can't you look?
>
> No. I'm blocked.

Why would you be blocked from a Facebook page? Does your wife use Facebook
as well?

[David B.]

On 10 Feb 2024 at 19:37:57 GMT, "Snit" <Brock.M...@gmail.com> wrote:

> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 18:48:16 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 11:11:34 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>> <l2psim...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:54:05 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 7:42:39 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>>>> <l2pgav...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:18:59 GMT, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One interesting graphic showed that of all the folk who run EtreCheck,
>>>>>>> nearly two thirds of them use an anti-malware software program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/C2mG1Cq/Screenshot-2022-05-22-at-16-51-24.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interestingly, there's no mention of ClamXAV!
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is that interesting?
>>>>
>>>> ClamXAV is designed specifically for Apple operating systems yet it seems that
>>>> few folk use it.
>>>
>>> All of the macOS apps were designed for macOS. Most of them are free. Why
>>> would you think ClamXAV would be particularly popular?
>>
>> Most Anti-malware software can run on Microsoft Windows as well as on a Mac.
>
> There’s a program called AVG for both Mac and windows, but it’s not the
> same program. The Clam engine runs on lots of different systems. But lots
> of developers only developed for one system. I’m not sure I’m
> understanding.

Most AV companies DO make software for both Windows and MacOS

>> ClamXAV will ONLY run on a Mac.
>> It's 'special'!
>
> What special about it? Lots of software only works on one system.

That's not so.

>>>> We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.
>>>
>>> That is true of a lot of software. The developer seems to do very little with
>>> FB, so what would draw them there?
>>
>> USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.
>
> Why? I don’t look at the Facebook page most of the software I use. I don’t
> think I’ve ever looked at the AVG page unless you’ve pointed to it. What
> makes you think most users are looking at that page?

I look at the Facebook pages of all sorts of software. I have an enquiring
mind.

>> I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a product
>> from a one-man-band operation.
>
> Then why were you surprised to not see it on that pie chart?

It's no doubt hidden in amongst 'others'. I wanted to ask John Daniel, but he
wouldn't correspond.

>>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>>
>>> I have no idea.
>>
>> Did you bother to look?
>
> No.

Thought not!

>>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>>
>>> Can't you look?
>>
>> No. I'm blocked.
>
> Why would you be blocked from a Facebook page?

How about you ask Mark Allan that very question?!!

> Does your wife use Facebook
> as well?

Yes. I sneaked a peek on her iPad!

ClamXAV 385 'likes' 423 'followers'
AVG 2.7 Million 'followers'
Kaspersky. 3.2 Million 'followers'

[Snit]

On Feb 10, 2024 at 1:11:04 PM MST, "David B." wrote
<l2q3io...@mid.individual.net>:

> On 10 Feb 2024 at 19:37:57 GMT, "Snit" <Brock.M...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 18:48:16 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 11:11:34 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>>> <l2psim...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:54:05 GMT, "Snit" <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 7:42:39 AM MST, "David B." wrote
>>>>>> <l2pgav...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 14:18:59 GMT, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One interesting graphic showed that of all the folk who run EtreCheck,
>>>>>>>> nearly two thirds of them use an anti-malware software program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/C2mG1Cq/Screenshot-2022-05-22-at-16-51-24.png
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interestingly, there's no mention of ClamXAV!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is that interesting?
>>>>>
>>>>> ClamXAV is designed specifically for Apple operating systems yet it seems that
>>>>> few folk use it.
>>>>
>>>> All of the macOS apps were designed for macOS. Most of them are free. Why
>>>> would you think ClamXAV would be particularly popular?
>>>
>>> Most Anti-malware software can run on Microsoft Windows as well as on a Mac.
>>
>> There’s a program called AVG for both Mac and windows, but it’s not the
>> same program. The Clam engine runs on lots of different systems. But lots
>> of developers only developed for one system. I’m not sure I’m
>> understanding.
>
> Most AV companies DO make software for both Windows and MacOS

Right. But it is not the same software. There is a Mac ands a Windows version.
But lot of software in general is made for just one or the other, and there
are other apps to run the Clam engine on Window (and Linux).

The X in ClamXAV means Mac OS X (the previous name for macOS).

The reason he made it, from what I understand, is there was no (easy) Clam
solution for macOS. He made one.

>>> ClamXAV will ONLY run on a Mac.
>>> It's 'special'!
>>
>> What special about it? Lots of software only works on one system.
>
> That's not so.

You do not think there is a lot of Mac-only or Windows-only software?

These are FAR from complete lists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_free_software

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_proprietary_software

Heck, I have talked about ScreenFlow and use it a fair amount (a lot less now
than I used to). It is not on the list.

Given how ClamXAV was (presumably) made to bring Clam to macOS and it was
already easily available on Windows and Linux, why would he make a Windows or
Linux version?

>
>>>>> We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.
>>>>
>>>> That is true of a lot of software. The developer seems to do very little with
>>>> FB, so what would draw them there?
>>>
>>> USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.
>>
>> Why? I don’t look at the Facebook page most of the software I use. I don’t
>> think I’ve ever looked at the AVG page unless you’ve pointed to it. What
>> makes you think most users are looking at that page?
>
> I look at the Facebook pages of all sorts of software. I have an enquiring
> mind.

But you speak of what most people do. Not going to play pedantic games and
take your "invariably" literally, but I so not look at the FB page of most
software I use. I have no idea if there even is a FB page for Usenapp, for
example. I do not think most people do. I am far more likely to check their
direct webpage.

>
>>> I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a product
>>> from a one-man-band operation.
>>
>> Then why were you surprised to not see it on that pie chart?
>
> It's no doubt hidden in amongst 'others'. I wanted to ask John Daniel, but he
> wouldn't correspond.

I agree it is in the "others" -- but why expect to see it outside of that? Or
maybe why is it "interesting" that it is not

>
>>>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea.
>>>
>>> Did you bother to look?
>>
>> No.
>
> Thought not!
>
>>>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>>>
>>>> Can't you look?
>>>
>>> No. I'm blocked.
>>
>> Why would you be blocked from a Facebook page?
>
> How about you ask Mark Allan that very question?!!

I am not looking to get in the middle of that squabble.

>
>> Does your wife use Facebook
>> as well?
>
> Yes. I sneaked a peek on her iPad!
>
> ClamXAV 385 'likes' 423 'followers'
> AVG 2.7 Million 'followers'
> Kaspersky. 3.2 Million 'followers'

What would be "interesting" is if such an app *was* on that chart!

[David B.]

Yes he did - and has since erased all history of what he did and the forum he
ran.

>>>> ClamXAV will ONLY run on a Mac.
>>>> It's 'special'!
>>>
>>> What special about it? Lots of software only works on one system.
>>
>> That's not so.
>
> You do not think there is a lot of Mac-only or Windows-only software?

I was talking only of Anti-Malware software!

> These are FAR from complete lists:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_free_software
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_proprietary_software
>
> Heck, I have talked about ScreenFlow and use it a fair amount (a lot less now
> than I used to). It is not on the list.

ScreenFlow has an active Facebook page! https://www.facebook.com/ScreenFlow

Over 5000 'likes' and 'followers'!

> Given how ClamXAV was (presumably) made to bring Clam to macOS and it was
> already easily available on Windows and Linux, why would he make a Windows or
> Linux version?

Nobody suggested that he should have done so! <rolls eyes>

>>>>>> We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is true of a lot of software. The developer seems to do very little with
>>>>> FB, so what would draw them there?
>>>>
>>>> USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.
>>>
>>> Why? I don’t look at the Facebook page most of the software I use. I don’t
>>> think I’ve ever looked at the AVG page unless you’ve pointed to it. What
>>> makes you think most users are looking at that page?
>>
>> I look at the Facebook pages of all sorts of software. I have an enquiring
>> mind.
>
> But you speak of what most people do. Not going to play pedantic games and
> take your "invariably" literally, but I so not look at the FB page of most
> software I use. I have no idea if there even is a FB page for Usenapp, for
> example. I do not think most people do. I am far more likely to check their
> direct webpage.

>>>> I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a product
>>>> from a one-man-band operation.
>>>
>>> Then why were you surprised to not see it on that pie chart?
>>
>> It's no doubt hidden in amongst 'others'. I wanted to ask John Daniel, but he
>> wouldn't correspond.
>
> I agree it is in the "others" -- but why expect to see it outside of that? Or
> maybe why is it "interesting" that it is not

I didn't expect to see it listed separately.
Those folk subscribing to ClamXAV are unlikely to ever need to seek help on
the ASC forums.
(Bot Masters' look after their flocks!)
In consequence, they will be highly unlikely to run Etrecheck so won't be
included in the statistics !

>>>>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea.
>>>>
>>>> Did you bother to look?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Thought not!
>>
>>>>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't you look?
>>>>
>>>> No. I'm blocked.
>>>
>>> Why would you be blocked from a Facebook page?
>>
>> How about you ask Mark Allan that very question?!!
>
> I am not looking to get in the middle of that squabble.

I STILL don't know why he stopped corresponding with me.

Guilt, I suspect!

>>> Does your wife use Facebook
>>> as well?
>>
>> Yes. I sneaked a peek on her iPad!
>>
>> ClamXAV 385 'likes' 423 'followers'
>> AVG 2.7 Million 'followers'
>> Kaspersky. 3.2 Million 'followers'
>
> What would be "interesting" is if such an app *was* on that chart!

Which anti-malware do you currently run on your Apple computers?

I'm beginning to wonder if Apple CAN actually cope with the bad actors
nowadays.

[Snit]

On Feb 10, 2024 at 3:58:16 PM MST, "David B." wrote
<l2qdc8...@mid.individual.net>:

Would you expect him (or anyone who made such a product) to make a Windows
version when there are already other Clam tools there?

https://clamwin.com

There is not a Mac version of that... expect his is sorta that.

It even lists ClamXAV as a Mac version!

https://clamwin.com/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,2/Itemid,80/

Looking quickly now I do not see Clam Wim having any page on FB.

> - and has since erased all history of what he did and the forum he
> ran.

OK.

>
>>>>> ClamXAV will ONLY run on a Mac.
>>>>> It's 'special'!
>>>>
>>>> What special about it? Lots of software only works on one system.
>>>
>>> That's not so.
>>
>> You do not think there is a lot of Mac-only or Windows-only software?
>
> I was talking only of Anti-Malware software!

Why be that specific with it? But even if you are, Clam for Windows is Windows
only.

https://clamwin.com

ClamXAV is basically the Mac version.

>> These are FAR from complete lists:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_free_software
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_proprietary_software
>>
>> Heck, I have talked about ScreenFlow and use it a fair amount (a lot less now
>> than I used to). It is not on the list.
>
> ScreenFlow has an active Facebook page! https://www.facebook.com/ScreenFlow
>
> Over 5000 'likes' and 'followers'!

OK? It is rather popular and has a largely marketing budget.

>
>> Given how ClamXAV was (presumably) made to bring Clam to macOS and it was
>> already easily available on Windows and Linux, why would he make a Windows or
>> Linux version?
>
> Nobody suggested that he should have done so! <rolls eyes>

But you thought it odd he did not have a Windows version (even though someone
else does). Maybe I am missing something.

>
>>>>>>> We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is true of a lot of software. The developer seems to do very little with
>>>>>> FB, so what would draw them there?
>>>>>
>>>>> USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.
>>>>
>>>> Why? I don’t look at the Facebook page most of the software I use. I don’t
>>>> think I’ve ever looked at the AVG page unless you’ve pointed to it. What
>>>> makes you think most users are looking at that page?
>>>
>>> I look at the Facebook pages of all sorts of software. I have an enquiring
>>> mind.
>>
>> But you speak of what most people do. Not going to play pedantic games and
>> take your "invariably" literally, but I so not look at the FB page of most
>> software I use. I have no idea if there even is a FB page for Usenapp, for
>> example. I do not think most people do. I am far more likely to check their
>> direct webpage.
>
>>>>> I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a product
>>>>> from a one-man-band operation.
>>>>
>>>> Then why were you surprised to not see it on that pie chart?
>>>
>>> It's no doubt hidden in amongst 'others'. I wanted to ask John Daniel, but he
>>> wouldn't correspond.
>>
>> I agree it is in the "others" -- but why expect to see it outside of that? Or
>> maybe why is it "interesting" that it is not
>
> I didn't expect to see it listed separately.

Right. You said it was "interesting" it was not.

> Those folk subscribing to ClamXAV are unlikely to ever need to seek help on
> the ASC forums.

Why would they use that forum for a non-Apple product?

> (Bot Masters' look after their flocks!)
> In consequence, they will be highly unlikely to run Etrecheck so won't be
> included in the statistics !
>
>>>>>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you bother to look?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Thought not!
>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't you look?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. I'm blocked.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you be blocked from a Facebook page?
>>>
>>> How about you ask Mark Allan that very question?!!
>>
>> I am not looking to get in the middle of that squabble.
>
> I STILL don't know why he stopped corresponding with me.
>
> Guilt, I suspect!

Did you not say unkind things about him and his product.

>
>>>> Does your wife use Facebook
>>>> as well?
>>>
>>> Yes. I sneaked a peek on her iPad!
>>>
>>> ClamXAV 385 'likes' 423 'followers'
>>> AVG 2.7 Million 'followers'
>>> Kaspersky. 3.2 Million 'followers'
>>
>> What would be "interesting" is if such an app *was* on that chart!
>
> Which anti-malware do you currently run on your Apple computers?

Has not changed.

> I'm beginning to wonder if Apple CAN actually cope with the bad actors
> nowadays.

Not sure I follow this.

[David B.]

That really surprised me!

> Looking quickly now I do not see Clam Wim having any page on FB.

Here? https://www.facebook.com/groups/51817214347

>> - and has since erased all history of what he did and the forum he
>> ran.
>
> OK.
>>
>>>>>> ClamXAV will ONLY run on a Mac.
>>>>>> It's 'special'!
>>>>>
>>>>> What special about it? Lots of software only works on one system.
>>>>
>>>> That's not so.
>>>
>>> You do not think there is a lot of Mac-only or Windows-only software?
>>
>> I was talking only of Anti-Malware software!
>
> Why be that specific with it? But even if you are, Clam for Windows is Windows
> only.
>
> https://clamwin.com
>
> ClamXAV is basically the Mac version.

Correct

>>> These are FAR from complete lists:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_free_software
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_proprietary_software
>>>
>>> Heck, I have talked about ScreenFlow and use it a fair amount (a lot less now
>>> than I used to). It is not on the list.
>>
>> ScreenFlow has an active Facebook page! https://www.facebook.com/ScreenFlow
>>
>> Over 5000 'likes' and 'followers'!
>
> OK? It is rather popular and has a largely marketing budget.

I'm aware that you are a supporter!

>>> Given how ClamXAV was (presumably) made to bring Clam to macOS and it was
>>> already easily available on Windows and Linux, why would he make a Windows or
>>> Linux version?
>>
>> Nobody suggested that he should have done so! <rolls eyes>
>
> But you thought it odd he did not have a Windows version (even though someone
> else does). Maybe I am missing something.

No. You are a bit muddled about this.

Clam has been available for more than 20 years. Full details may be found
here:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClamAV

>>>>>>>> We've discussed before how few people 'like' the product on Facebook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is true of a lot of software. The developer seems to do very little with
>>>>>>> FB, so what would draw them there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? I don’t look at the Facebook page most of the software I use. I don’t
>>>>> think I’ve ever looked at the AVG page unless you’ve pointed to it. What
>>>>> makes you think most users are looking at that page?
>>>>
>>>> I look at the Facebook pages of all sorts of software. I have an enquiring
>>>> mind.
>>>
>>> But you speak of what most people do. Not going to play pedantic games and
>>> take your "invariably" literally, but I so not look at the FB page of most
>>> software I use. I have no idea if there even is a FB page for Usenapp, for
>>> example. I do not think most people do. I am far more likely to check their
>>> direct webpage.
>>
>>>>>> I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a product
>>>>>> from a one-man-band operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why were you surprised to not see it on that pie chart?
>>>>
>>>> It's no doubt hidden in amongst 'others'. I wanted to ask John Daniel, but he
>>>> wouldn't correspond.
>>>
>>> I agree it is in the "others" -- but why expect to see it outside of that? Or
>>> maybe why is it "interesting" that it is not
>>
>> I didn't expect to see it listed separately.
>
> Right. You said it was "interesting" it was not.

Sorry about that!
Had ClamXAV been 'popular' it would no doubt have warranted a category of its
own.

>> Those folk subscribing to ClamXAV are unlikely to ever need to seek help on
>> the ASC forums.
>
> Why would they use that forum for a non-Apple product?

To be USING ClamXAV the user would need to have an Apple computer!

That's why! :-D

>> (Bot Masters' look after their flocks!)
>> In consequence, they will be highly unlikely to run Etrecheck so won't be
>> included in the statistics !
>>
>>>>>>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you bother to look?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> Thought not!
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't you look?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. I'm blocked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you be blocked from a Facebook page?
>>>>
>>>> How about you ask Mark Allan that very question?!!
>>>
>>> I am not looking to get in the middle of that squabble.
>>
>> I STILL don't know why he stopped corresponding with me.
>>
>> Guilt, I suspect!
>
> Did you not say unkind things about him and his product.

Not as far as I'm aware. Can you cite a reference?

>>>>> Does your wife use Facebook
>>>>> as well?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. I sneaked a peek on her iPad!
>>>>
>>>> ClamXAV 385 'likes' 423 'followers'
>>>> AVG 2.7 Million 'followers'
>>>> Kaspersky. 3.2 Million 'followers'
>>>
>>> What would be "interesting" is if such an app *was* on that chart!
>>
>> Which anti-malware do you currently run on your Apple computers?
>
> Has not changed.

So, AVG still?

I've used that too. Just the free version.

>> I'm beginning to wonder if Apple CAN actually cope with the bad actors
>> nowadays.
>
> Not sure I follow this.

I'm wondering if the inbuilt security systems of Apple are finding it more and
more difficult to keep the 'bad guys' out of mcOS and iOS.
'Updates' have become more and more frequent in recent years. I'm sure you
will have noticed.

Read about Apple here folks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc

--
David

[David B.]

On 11 Feb 2024 at 04:28:46 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 2024 at 2:20:19 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.
>> I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a product
>> from a one-man-band operation.
>>
>>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>>
>>> I have no idea.
>>
>> Did you bother to look?
>>
>>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>>
>>> Can't you look?
>>
>> No. I'm blocked.
>

> What? YOU are blocked from the ClamXAV Facebook page?

Yes.

> SHOCKING!!!!! I am stunned! "I am shocked, SHOCKED to find that there is
> gambling here!"

Gambling?!!! Are you drunk?

> Let me guess. You have NO IDEA why you are blocked from the ClamXAV Facebook
> page, right?

Absolutely correct. Such action merely confirms that /something/ is being
hidden.

[FromTheRafters]

David B. brought next idea :

> On 11 Feb 2024 at 04:28:46 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 10, 2024 at 2:20:19 PM EST, "David B." <b...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> USERS of the ClamXAV would invariably look at their Facebook page.
>>> I suspect that few folk seek to protect their Apple computers with a
>>> product from a one-man-band operation.
>>>
>>>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea.
>>>
>>> Did you bother to look?
>>>
>>>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>>>
>>>> Can't you look?
>>>
>>> No. I'm blocked.
>>
>> What? YOU are blocked from the ClamXAV Facebook page?
>
> Yes.
>
>> SHOCKING!!!!! I am stunned! "I am shocked, SHOCKED to find that there is
>> gambling here!"
>
> Gambling?!!! Are you drunk?

Movie reference.

[David B.]

On 11 Feb 2024 at 13:08:32 GMT, "FromTheRafters" <F...@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:
> Movie reference.

<rolls eyes>

Thank you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxnpY0owPkA

[Snit]

On Feb 11, 2024 at 5:07:57 AM MST, "David B." wrote
<l2rrkt...@mid.individual.net>:

Not me. There is a Clam engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClamAV

People build GUI wrappers around that to make it easier to use. There are ones
for Windows and Mac and Linux.

>
>> Looking quickly now I do not see Clam Wim having any page on FB.
>
> Here? https://www.facebook.com/groups/51817214347

Thanks. That is the Clam engine... not the ClamWin product. And even that only
has 16 members and little activity.

Seeing that, why do you think a derivative product would be expected to have
much more? One *might*, of course, but I would not expect it to.

From what you and I have found, the ClamWin product has no FB page at all. Not
surprisingly, to me.

>
>>> - and has since erased all history of what he did and the forum he
>>> ran.
>>
>> OK.
>>>
>>>>>>> ClamXAV will ONLY run on a Mac.
>>>>>>> It's 'special'!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What special about it? Lots of software only works on one system.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not so.
>>>>
>>>> You do not think there is a lot of Mac-only or Windows-only software?
>>>
>>> I was talking only of Anti-Malware software!
>>
>> Why be that specific with it? But even if you are, Clam for Windows is Windows
>> only.
>>
>> https://clamwin.com
>>
>> ClamXAV is basically the Mac version.
>
> Correct
>
>>>> These are FAR from complete lists:
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_free_software
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:MacOS-only_proprietary_software
>>>>
>>>> Heck, I have talked about ScreenFlow and use it a fair amount (a lot less now
>>>> than I used to). It is not on the list.
>>>
>>> ScreenFlow has an active Facebook page! https://www.facebook.com/ScreenFlow
>>>
>>> Over 5000 'likes' and 'followers'!
>>
>> OK? It is rather popular and has a largely marketing budget.
>
> I'm aware that you are a supporter!

I am. Used to be much more active on their discussion groups.

>
>>>> Given how ClamXAV was (presumably) made to bring Clam to macOS and it was
>>>> already easily available on Windows and Linux, why would he make a Windows or
>>>> Linux version?
>>>
>>> Nobody suggested that he should have done so! <rolls eyes>
>>
>> But you thought it odd he did not have a Windows version (even though someone
>> else does). Maybe I am missing something.
>
> No. You are a bit muddled about this.
>
> Clam has been available for more than 20 years. Full details may be found
> here:-
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClamAV

Right. I am saying you have said it is odd the ClamXAV does not have a Windows
version. To me it would be surprising if it did, given how there is already a
windows wrapper.

Sure. It is not very popular.

>
>>> Those folk subscribing to ClamXAV are unlikely to ever need to seek help on
>>> the ASC forums.
>>
>> Why would they use that forum for a non-Apple product?
>
> To be USING ClamXAV the user would need to have an Apple computer!

Right.

https://discussions.apple.com/welcome

Those are for Apple products. OK, it is also for using them and third party
software might occasionally come into the mix, but in general if you want to
talk about third party software that is not the place.

>
> That's why! :-D
>
>>> (Bot Masters' look after their flocks!)
>>> In consequence, they will be highly unlikely to run Etrecheck so won't be
>>> included in the statistics !
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you tell me .... what is the current number of 'likes'?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have no idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you bother to look?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thought not!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a screenshot too?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't you look?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. I'm blocked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would you be blocked from a Facebook page?
>>>>>
>>>>> How about you ask Mark Allan that very question?!!
>>>>
>>>> I am not looking to get in the middle of that squabble.
>>>
>>> I STILL don't know why he stopped corresponding with me.
>>>
>>> Guilt, I suspect!
>>
>> Did you not say unkind things about him and his product.
>
> Not as far as I'm aware. Can you cite a reference?

You have spent years questioning if he is a bad guy. He may or may not be --
but either way that is going to push him away.

>
>>>>>> Does your wife use Facebook
>>>>>> as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I sneaked a peek on her iPad!
>>>>>
>>>>> ClamXAV 385 'likes' 423 'followers'
>>>>> AVG 2.7 Million 'followers'
>>>>> Kaspersky. 3.2 Million 'followers'
>>>>
>>>> What would be "interesting" is if such an app *was* on that chart!
>>>
>>> Which anti-malware do you currently run on your Apple computers?
>>
>> Has not changed.
>
> So, AVG still?

When I use anything, yes. It is not generally running.

>
> I've used that too. Just the free version.

Same here -- just the free version.

>
>>> I'm beginning to wonder if Apple CAN actually cope with the bad actors
>>> nowadays.
>>
>> Not sure I follow this.
>
> I'm wondering if the inbuilt security systems of Apple are finding it more and
> more difficult to keep the 'bad guys' out of mcOS and iOS.
> 'Updates' have become more and more frequent in recent years. I'm sure you
> will have noticed.
>
> Read about Apple here folks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc

I have not seen any sign of increased infections. Not really something I am
very concerned with. I do try to only download apps from trusted sources.

[David B.]

On 11 Feb 2024 at 21:04:57 GMT, "Tyrone" <no...@none.none> wrote:

> You are such a bumbling idiot. HE CLEARLY WANTS NO COMMUNICATION WITH YOU.

He has a Private Pilot's Licence so he is competent to talk to an Air Traffic
Control Officer (albeit retired!)
>
> Why would he? You have stalking and sliming him for years. Its none of your
> god damn business what he does, how he makes his money or how many people use
> ClamXAV.

“It is the duty of every man, as far as his ability extends, to detect and
expose delusion and error. But nature has not given to everyone a talent for
that purpose; and among those to whom such a talent is given, there is often a
want of disposition or of courage to do it.” — Thomas Paine

Source:
https://quotepark.com/quotes/2128816-thomas-paine-it-is-the-duty-of-every-man-as-far-as-his-ability/

Do you agree with this item?
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/415713/verify-code-signature-of-a-package-installer/416057#416057

[Gremlin]

David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2peuj...@mid.individual.net

Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:18:59 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 10 Feb 2024 at 01:52:02 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>
>> Why would that concern me? He's not leeching off my tax dollars.
>> Someone else who posts here does, though.
>
> You surmise. You do not know the facts.

David... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on.

>>> I actually HELPED him with the development of his product way back in
>> 2014!!!
>>
>> So what? I helped Marcin with his AboutBuster program long before there
>> even was a Malwarebytes. Oh, you didn't know that eh? Well, you do now.
>> ROFL, the people you worship and hold to such a high level of respect
>> cracks me the fuck up, it really does.
>
> Did you read the poem I posted?
>
>>> You're a techie - you might just be interested to read our interaction
>>> here, me posting with my original Apple user name of HunterBD
>>
>> Well, according to Tim, we are.. somehow, equal, with skills. <G>
>>
>> MID: <uq3qq4$27vhu$1...@dont-email.me>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170752861200
>>> Further, only Apd has actually demonstrated the DO have the skills I
>>> lack
>> so I'm yet to see you have any greater skills than me.
>>
>> Perhaps, you should be addressing these questions to him as well? Since
>> we have the same skillset. Well, he currently thinks we do, anyhow. <G>
>
> Tim has no clue about you and your kind!

Hahaha. No, no, he doesn't. He wrote about me, out of turn. He continues to
do so. He's the one with the inferiority complex, and the problem.
Let him continue to get snowed by snit and ask for more (lol!!!) though.
It'll be great later on when he realizes he's been the joke the entire time.
I'll happily remind him of it if he happens to stick around to leech more
help once Apd completes the current HA project for him.

>>> The truth WILL out - always.
>>
>> Not always. Snit still doesn't think I'm Raid. And the truth is, I am.
>> <G>
>
> David believes you! ;-)

Only because you know it's true. It's not the same kind of belief, that you
call, faith. :)

[David B.]

I'm rather glad that I'm not having to deal with his (Tim's) real-life issues.

>>>> The truth WILL out - always.
>>>
>>> Not always. Snit still doesn't think I'm Raid. And the truth is, I am.
>>> <G>
>>
>> David believes you! ;-)
>
> Only because you know it's true. It's not the same kind of belief, that you
> call, faith. :)

I took time to get to know you. I believe that is important in any
relationship.

[Mike Easter]

BDB wrote:
> "Gremlin":

>
> I took time to get to know you. I believe that is important in any
> relationship.
>

Relationship? What is a 'relationship' in this context? I looked at
all of the def/s in the wiktionary and none of them seemed to pertain to
you & Gremlin.

--
Mike Easter

[David B.]

How about master and slave?

I've been leading and Gremlin has been following.

[%]

laurel and hardy

[FromTheRafters]

Mike Easter pretended :

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antagonistic

[Snit]

On Feb 12, 2024 at 12:57:13 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB11698...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2peuj...@mid.individual.net
> Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:18:59 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 01:52:02 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would that concern me? He's not leeching off my tax dollars.
>>> Someone else who posts here does, though.
>>
>> You surmise. You do not know the facts.
>
> David... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on.

Right: Carroll made up a story about me. A fantasy, And as you do you sucked
it up. You believed him. You did not care one whit if it was true... you just
knew you could use a version of the "you are poor" bigoted insult to lash out.
It shows your lack of morals and your insecurities. And the fact you are a
follower who has been manipulated by Carroll.

Not hard to see at all... but you claim not to.

>>>
>>> Perhaps, you should be addressing these questions to him as well? Since
>>> we have the same skillset. Well, he currently thinks we do, anyhow. <G>
>>
>> Tim has no clue about you and your kind!
>
> Hahaha. No, no, he doesn't. He wrote about me, out of turn.

Out of turn. Wow. The arrogance of your writing. Like he needs your permission
to post.

> He continues to do so.

You write clueless things about me... and use bigoted attacks to do so.

> He's the one with the inferiority complex, and the problem.

Yet in this point you demonstrate what you attribute to him:

"leeching off tax dollar"... saying you know things that are not true but
others are ignorant not to... saying folks are "speaking out of turn" to call
you out on your crap.

Arrogance on your part. Pure arrogance.

> Let him continue to get snowed by snit and ask for more (lol!!!) though.

Here you falsely assume I am doing to him what Carroll does to you. No
evidence, of course. Keep in mind you (again) provided evidence above.

[Dave Wilkinson]

:-D

I'd say more like Beavis and Butt-Head.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2024-02-13, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2024 at 12:57:13 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
><XnsB11698...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
>
>> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2peuj...@mid.individual.net
>> Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:18:59 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>
>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 01:52:02 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would that concern me? He's not leeching off my tax dollars.
>>>> Someone else who posts here does, though.
>>>
>>> You surmise. You do not know the facts.
>>
>> David... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's
>> going on.
>
> Right: Carroll made up a story about me.

Cut the act, it was **extremely** evident, many years ago, you were
collecting disability. You seem to have forgotten that until recently
(due to your divorce, obviously), you admitted that you were still what
you stated long ago, "essentually house-bound". DB even congratulated
you on your progress.

[%]

so how does this help you pay your bills

[Snit]

On Feb 13, 2024 at 8:16:59 AM MST, "%" wrote
<cZudnc89049xGlb4...@giganews.com>:

Maybe he gets paid to troll me. Either way, Gremlin has now openly admitted he
blindly trusts Carroll's lies.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2024-02-13, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2024 at 8:16:59 AM MST, "%" wrote
><cZudnc89049xGlb4...@giganews.com>:
>
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-13, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 12, 2024 at 12:57:13 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
>>>> <XnsB11698...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
>>>>
>>>>> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2peuj...@mid.individual.net
>>>>> Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:18:59 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 01:52:02 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would that concern me? He's not leeching off my tax dollars.
>>>>>>> Someone else who posts here does, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You surmise. You do not know the facts.
>>>>>
>>>>> David... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's
>>>>> going on.
>>>>
>>>> Right: Carroll made up a story about me.
>>>
>>> Cut the act, it was **extremely** evident, many years ago, you were
>>> collecting disability. You seem to have forgotten that until recently
>>> (due to your divorce, obviously), you admitted that you were still what
>>> you stated long ago, "essentually house-bound". DB even congratulated
>>> you on your progress.
>>>
>> so how does this help you pay your bills
>
> Maybe he gets paid to troll me.

What has what I do (that I've discussed on numerous occasions and shown
images for some of it) have to do with you claiming disability, Mr.
Table Turner?

[%]

Snit wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2024 at 8:16:59 AM MST, "%" wrote
> <cZudnc89049xGlb4...@giganews.com>:
>
>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-13, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 12, 2024 at 12:57:13 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
>>>> <XnsB11698...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
>>>>
>>>>> David B. <b...@nomail.afraid.org> news:l2peuj...@mid.individual.net
>>>>> Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:18:59 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10 Feb 2024 at 01:52:02 GMT, "Gremlin" <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would that concern me? He's not leeching off my tax dollars.
>>>>>>> Someone else who posts here does, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You surmise. You do not know the facts.
>>>>>
>>>>> David... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's
>>>>> going on.
>>>>
>>>> Right: Carroll made up a story about me.
>>>
>>> Cut the act, it was **extremely** evident, many years ago, you were
>>> collecting disability. You seem to have forgotten that until recently
>>> (due to your divorce, obviously), you admitted that you were still what
>>> you stated long ago, "essentually house-bound". DB even congratulated
>>> you on your progress.
>>>
>> so how does this help you pay your bills
>
> Maybe he gets paid to troll me. Either way, Gremlin has now openly admitted he
> blindly trusts Carroll's lies.
>

gremlin is a follower he needs someone like carroll ,
carroll is a show off he needs someone like gremlin

[%]

what does his being diabled have to do with anything , slapnutts

[Snit]

On Feb 13, 2024 at 9:22:08 AM MST, "%" wrote
<HP-dnYnDeJavClb4...@giganews.com>:

He is pushing stigma, shame, and lies.

[Snit]

On Feb 13, 2024 at 9:20:53 AM MST, "%" wrote
<HP-dnY7DeJZ7C1b4...@giganews.com>:

Absolutely correct.

[T i m]

On 12/02/2024 20:07, David B. wrote:

<snip>

> I'm rather glad that I'm not having to deal with his (Tim's) real-life issues.
>

And on top of Mum and the Mrs, I need to book another hormone injection
appointment, n'th blood test tomorrow, 3rd CT Scan in a few days, chat
with Oncology Consultant again after that ...

Cheers, T i m

[David B.]

Thank you for sharing your circumstances, Tim.
Very often, a trouble shared really is a trouble halved.

When my neighbour was terminally ill last summer he took some comfort from
the poem/prayer called "Footsteps in the sand".

Good luck with your struggles.

--
David

[David B.]

On 13 Feb 2024 at 00:18:49 GMT, "FromTheRafters" <F...@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

Interesting answer, Rafters.
How would you describe YOUR relationship with Gremlin?

I noticed that he recently said that he considers you to be one of his peers.
Whyever would he think that? You are the one who has been incarcerated
whilst he has never been punished for all of his wrongdoing.

[T i m]

On 13/02/2024 23:02, David B. wrote:

<snip>

>
> When my neighbour was terminally ill last summer he took some comfort from
> the poem/prayer called "Footsteps in the sand".

Yeah, I believe you posted it here before and no I wouldn't get comfort
from it (thanks).

What would give me comfort is successful treatment or a quick ending.

>
> Good luck with your struggles.
>

Cheers, T i m

[Steve Carroll]

Nah, I'm just pointing out how you're lying AGAIN.