Ping Gremlin

[Snit]

I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

[Charlie Glock]

On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
> to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you run a computer repair business?
If so, why are you asking for help in resolving what will probably turn out to be a simple fix?
Most are.
KISS in case you don't know.




--
Charlie Glock
"To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens"
-- Adolf Hitler

[Snit]

On Sep 12, 2023 at 4:13:19 PM MST, "Charlie Glock" wrote
<jg6MM.237$quJ...@fx18.iad>:

> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
>> to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong

You are wrong. About many things.

> but didn't you run a computer repair business?

A computer company that focuses on software and training. Not hardware.

> If so, why are you asking for help in resolving what will probably turn out to
> be a simple fix?

What are you thinking in terms of a fix? Do you even know the issues?

> Most are.
> KISS in case you don't know.


--

[FromTheRafters]

Snit explained on 9/12/2023 :

> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.

I have some too, two big honking plumber's type and two gun type for
electrical work. I no longer have any for the small work, but the gun
type works pretty good for the projects I work on.

I can take some photos too, and post them when (if) I get back from my
11:30 AM meeting with the president of a local car dealership.

--
In case he asks "Does anyone know that you came here?" I can say yes,
lots of people know.

[Snit]

On Sep 13, 2023 at 3:55:08 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<uds4eh$23fkk$1...@dont-email.me>:

> Snit explained on 9/12/2023 :
>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>
> I have some too, two big honking plumber's type and two gun type for
> electrical work. I no longer have any for the small work, but the gun
> type works pretty good for the projects I work on.

I am not even sure what you mean by a "gun type", LOL! I suppose one with a
"trigger".

>
> I can take some photos too, and post them when (if) I get back from my
> 11:30 AM meeting with the president of a local car dealership.
>
> --
> In case he asks "Does anyone know that you came here?" I can say yes,
> lots of people know.

[Keppi]

In article <YilMM.5163$quJ8...@fx18.iad>,
brock.m...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Sep 13, 2023 at 3:55:08 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
> <uds4eh$23fkk$1...@dont-email.me>:
>
> > Snit explained on 9/12/2023 :
> >> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
> >> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
> >
> > I have some too, two big honking plumber's type and two gun type for
> > electrical work. I no longer have any for the small work, but the gun
> > type works pretty good for the projects I work on.
>
> I am not even sure what you mean by a "gun type", LOL! I suppose one with a
> "trigger".
>

trigger was a horse

[Snit]

On Sep 13, 2023 at 9:22:26 AM MST, "Keppi" wrote
<MPG.3f6babce1...@news.eternal-september.org>:

This is true.

[%]

Snit wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2023 at 4:13:19 PM MST, "Charlie Glock" wrote
> <jg6MM.237$quJ...@fx18.iad>:
>
>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
>>> to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>
>> Correct me if I am wrong
>
> You are wrong. About many things.
>
>> but didn't you run a computer repair business?
>
> A computer company that focuses on software and training. Not hardware.
>
>> If so, why are you asking for help in resolving what will probably turn out to
>> be a simple fix?
>
> What are you thinking in terms of a fix? Do you even know the issues?
>
>> Most are.
>> KISS in case you don't know.
>
>

i see a lot of pinging going on

[FromTheRafters]

Snit formulated the question :

> On Sep 13, 2023 at 3:55:08 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
> <uds4eh$23fkk$1...@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Snit explained on 9/12/2023 :
>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>
>> I have some too, two big honking plumber's type and two gun type for
>> electrical work. I no longer have any for the small work, but the gun
>> type works pretty good for the projects I work on.
>
> I am not even sure what you mean by a "gun type", LOL! I suppose one with a
> "trigger".

Yes, I have two with two stage trigger function. This is probably too
old a technology for you to be familiar with. It was way before even
8-tracks were invented.

>> I can take some photos too, and post them when (if) I get back from my
>> 11:30 AM meeting with the president of a local car dealership.
>>
>> --
>> In case he asks "Does anyone know that you came here?" I can say yes,
>> lots of people know.

I didn't get Khashoggi'd, I'm safely at home again.

[Snit]

On Sep 13, 2023 at 10:38:27 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<udss2p$27n5e$1...@dont-email.me>:

> Snit formulated the question :
>> On Sep 13, 2023 at 3:55:08 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>> <uds4eh$23fkk$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Snit explained on 9/12/2023 :
>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>>>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>
>>> I have some too, two big honking plumber's type and two gun type for
>>> electrical work. I no longer have any for the small work, but the gun
>>> type works pretty good for the projects I work on.
>>
>> I am not even sure what you mean by a "gun type", LOL! I suppose one with a
>> "trigger".
>
> Yes, I have two with two stage trigger function. This is probably too
> old a technology for you to be familiar with. It was way before even
> 8-tracks were invented.

I should take the pic and show you what I have. Just a pointy stick one and a
... um... loop one?

>
>>> I can take some photos too, and post them when (if) I get back from my
>>> 11:30 AM meeting with the president of a local car dealership.
>>>
>>> --
>>> In case he asks "Does anyone know that you came here?" I can say yes,
>>> lots of people know.
>
> I didn't get Khashoggi'd, I'm safely at home again.

As am I. LOL!

[Snit]

On Sep 13, 2023 at 10:15:34 AM MST, "%" wrote
<15ydneIZT56qc5z4...@giganews.com>:

PONG!

[David Brooks]

On 13/09/2023 18:38, FromTheRafters wrote:
> Snit formulated the question :
>> On Sep 13, 2023 at 3:55:08 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>> <uds4eh$23fkk$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Snit explained on 9/12/2023 :
>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>>>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>
>>> I have some too, two big honking plumber's type and two gun type for
>>> electrical work. I no longer have any for the small work, but the gun
>>> type works pretty good for the projects I work on.
>>
>> I am not even sure what you mean by a "gun type", LOL! I suppose one
>> with a
>> "trigger".
>
> Yes, I have two with two stage trigger function. This is probably too
> old a technology for you to be familiar with. It was way before even
> 8-tracks were invented.

You aren't THAT much older than Snit! ;-)

>>> I can take some photos too, and post them when (if) I get back from my
>>> 11:30 AM meeting with the president of a local car dealership.
>>>
>>> --
>>> In case he asks "Does anyone know that you came here?" I can say yes,
>>> lots of people know.
>
> I didn't get Khashoggi'd, I'm safely at home again.

Phew! Have you been complaining about your newish motor vehicle?
Or, perhaps, the very long wait you had between ordering and delivery?

Do tell!

--
David

[FromTheRafters]

David Brooks wrote :

No, the new car is great and my project is coming along nicely.

> Or, perhaps, the very long wait you had between ordering and delivery?

Partly that.

> Do tell!

I got satisfaction.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
> to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.

While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along the
way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.

[Snit]

On Sep 17, 2023 at 7:31:15 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

You do not think he will keep his word either. Not surprised.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-17, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2023 at 7:31:15 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
><ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
>>> to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>
>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along the
>> way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>
> You do not think he will keep his word either. Not surprised.

Why can't you read? I clearly said I "think" he'd be a fool to do this.

Where did he 'give his word' that he would do this in the midst of all
the lying you've done about him? You'll produce that 'any minute now'
<eyeroll>, right?

[Gremlin]

Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
news:jg6MM.237$quJ...@fx18.iad Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:13:19 GMT in

alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you run a computer repair business?

ROFL. Well, that's what he claimed to do, yes. His was probably like the
majority around here are. I only know of two shops in the area that will
perform component level hardware diagnosis and repair. Those to me, are real
repair shops. The others, ehh, not so much.

> If so, why are you asking for help in resolving what will probably turn
> out to be a simple fix? Most are.

It probably will turn out being an easy fix, but it's most likely going to
be a hardware failure. I suspect a component on the ps driver side is
heating up and shutting down; providing unstable power rail. I don't know
that as yet to be sure, but it's something I suspect based on his
description of the issue.

--
My entire life can be summed up in one sentence...
"Well that didn't fucking go as planned."

[Gremlin]

FromTheRafters <F...@nomail.afraid.org> news:uds4eh$23fkk$1...@dont-email.me

Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:55:08 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> Snit explained on 9/12/2023 :
>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>
> I have some too, two big honking plumber's type and two gun type for
> electrical work. I no longer have any for the small work, but the gun
> type works pretty good for the projects I work on.
>
> I can take some photos too, and post them when (if) I get back from my
> 11:30 AM meeting with the president of a local car dealership.

I think? I know what you're describing, but, sure, fork a pic or two.

[Gremlin]

Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
news:ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Sun, 17 Sep 2023

I anticipated such action and planned accordingly. Fail safes, if you will.
:) Interesting that he waits until he annoys me enough with his consistent
dishonest bullshit that I go ahead and shitcan him then decides, after all
this time, he'll accept the help. WTF...

[Kelly Phillips]

On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:19:00 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:

>FromTheRafters <F...@nomail.afraid.org> news:uds4eh$23fkk$1...@dont-email.me
>Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:55:08 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> Snit explained on 9/12/2023 :
>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>
>> I have some too, two big honking plumber's type and two gun type for
>> electrical work. I no longer have any for the small work, but the gun
>> type works pretty good for the projects I work on.
>>
>> I can take some photos too, and post them when (if) I get back from my
>> 11:30 AM meeting with the president of a local car dealership.
>
>I think? I know what you're describing, but, sure, fork a pic or two.

When I was a kid, my older brother worked at a TV repair shop every day after
school. He used some of the money he earned to buy a very nice analog VOM and
two gun-type soldering irons.

One was a Weller with 2-stage heat, similar to this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Weller-D550-Dual-Professional-Soldering/dp/B00002N5LO?th=1

The other was a Wen, similar to this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/145305464026

I didn't see a pencil-type soldering iron until I joined the military.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-20, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
> Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
> news:ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Sun, 17 Sep 2023
> 14:31:15 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>
>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along the
>> way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>
> I anticipated such action and planned accordingly. Fail safes, if you will.
>:) Interesting that he waits until he annoys me enough with his consistent
> dishonest bullshit that I go ahead and shitcan him then decides, after all
> this time, he'll accept the help. WTF...

Well, then... on with the show!

[Snit]

On Sep 19, 2023 at 5:19:02 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB084CE...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
> news:ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Sun, 17 Sep 2023
> 14:31:15 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still
>>> looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>
>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along the
>> way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>
> I anticipated such action and planned accordingly. Fail safes, if you will.
> :) Interesting that he waits until he annoys me enough with his consistent
> dishonest bullshit that I go ahead and shitcan him then decides, after all
> this time, he'll accept the help. WTF...

When are you imagining I said I was not open to your help? I have stated,
repeatedly, I do not TRUST you and I expect you to back out. But I am open to
being proved wrong about you.

Just doubt I will be.

[Snit]

On Sep 19, 2023 at 5:18:58 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB084CE...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

I doubt we will ever know... you are not likely to live up to your word.

[Steve Carroll]

<crickets>

I saw him offer to help you, I never saw him 'give his word' that he'd
do so amidst you 'doing what you do' and I don't expect to see you do
what you've often claimed you do, "support" you allegations.

Didn't he ask to see images of your tooling early on? No matter, if you
were interested you'd have just posted them instead of making up a BS
story about how he 'gave his word'.

People are not as stupid as you need them to be, they just aren't.

[Snit]

On Sep 21, 2023 at 8:39:23 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<ueho3a$3jaki$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-17, Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:
>> On 2023-09-17, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 17, 2023 at 7:31:15 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>> <ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
>>>>> to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>>
>>>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>>>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along the
>>>> way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>>>
>>> You do not think he will keep his word either. Not surprised.
>>
>> Why can't you read? I clearly said I "think" he'd be a fool to do this.
>>
>> Where did he 'give his word' that he would do this in the midst of all
>> the lying you've done about him? You'll produce that 'any minute now'
>> <eyeroll>, right?
>
> <crickets>

I said what was needed: you do not think Gremlin will keep his word. You think
he lied. He will back down from his offer.

I doubt anyone trusted him to actually keep his word.

>
> I saw him offer to help you,

And you did not believe him. I get it.

> I never saw him 'give his word'

You do not see his word as him giving his word. Typical hair splitting
trolling crap from you. To you his word -- and yours -- means nothing.

Thanks for the admission.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-21, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2023 at 8:39:23 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
><ueho3a$3jaki$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> On 2023-09-17, Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-17, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 17, 2023 at 7:31:15 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>>> <ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
>>>>>> to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>>>>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along the
>>>>> way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>>>>
>>>> You do not think he will keep his word either. Not surprised.
>>>
>>> Why can't you read? I clearly said I "think" he'd be a fool to do this.
>>>
>>> Where did he 'give his word' that he would do this in the midst of all
>>> the lying you've done about him? You'll produce that 'any minute now'
>>> <eyeroll>, right?
>>
>> <crickets>
>
> I said what was needed:

Your 'story telling' is never "needed"!

>> I saw him offer to help you,
>
> And you did not believe him.

I believe what he said, not what you're trying to falsely claim he
said, ridiculous liar.

>> I never saw him 'give his word'
>
> You do not see his word as him giving his word.

'Any minute now' you're going to produce of quote of him 'giving his
word', which includes 'helping you regardless of how you've been
treating him' <eyroll>.

People are not as stupid as you need them to be. You've been told this
often enough so ignorance can't be claimed... must be stupidity.

[Snit]

On Sep 21, 2023 at 10:51:50 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uehvrl$3kon2$3...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-21, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 21, 2023 at 8:39:23 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>> <ueho3a$3jaki$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>> On 2023-09-17, Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-17, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023 at 7:31:15 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>>>> <ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are still looking
>>>>>>> to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>>>>>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along the
>>>>>> way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not think he will keep his word either. Not surprised.
>>>>
>>>> Why can't you read? I clearly said I "think" he'd be a fool to do this.
>>>>
>>>> Where did he 'give his word' that he would do this in the midst of all
>>>> the lying you've done about him? You'll produce that 'any minute now'
>>>> <eyeroll>, right?
>>>
>>> <crickets>
>>

>> I said what was needed: you do not think Gremlin will keep his word. You think
>> he lied. He will back down from his offer.

>> I doubt anyone trusted him to actually keep his word.

You ignored this. The fact is you admitted he said it, then tried to weasel
out of it... but bottom line you figured he was lying.

You and he lie. You speak of Trump, your hero, as a lying narcissist. You
admire that.

>
>>> I saw him offer to help you,
>

> 'Any minute now' you're going to produce of quote

You already admitted you saw it. LOL! But you did not believe him.

Nobody with a brain would take Gremlin at his word. Good of you to show you
understand this.

[Snit Michael Glasser]

The link to another one of Peeler's trolling accounts, no doubt. At some
point Snit will realize his 'partner' is lying to him, too.

"Now that was close" said Peeler's wife. I am well aware the stuff I
link to from YouTube is merely greenhorn level; that said, it is good
enough.

Studying Linux... even now a rookie.


--
Steven Petruzzellis the narcissistic bigot

[Snit Michael Glasser]

Gee whiz, what was your first hintadoodle? The ones which claimed it was
and that are obviously using faulty heuristics to make the determination,
or was it something else? Please do be definitive.

I have not established that the number: (423) 491-1448 belongs to Prescott
Computer Guy. Prescott Computer Guy's "troubleshooting expertise" distracted
him from an add-on he insists does not exists that Ixchel found in _seconds_
for this application. The only thing broken here is Prescott Computer Guy.
Prescott Computer Guy wants to hurt everyone here: If he and his shills
can't have dominate conversations here then nobody will. Virtually everything
Prescott Computer Guy says about anyone is dishonest of course, but he does
not care.


--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about him.
He clearly wants the attention"
Steven Petruzzellis, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.

[Snit Michael Glasser]

Taking effort possibly building wisdom isn't a waste. Thinking you know everything
and making an effort to persuade people that it is true? *That* is a waste.
That's exactly what's transpired. Snit likes to leave out such vexing little
minutia, though. Who else do we know who pulls look alike drivel? Oh, that's
right, Wolffan. Our second Wolffan. Ha! Why does Wolffan focus on Snit's
self-esteem issues so much?

--
I Left My Husband & Daughter At Home And THIS happened!!
https://www.bing.com/search?q=%22functionally%20illiterate%20fraud%22
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-glasser-b7075a23
Dustin Cook is a functionally illiterate fraud

[Gremlin]

Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>

news:uef6k7$30qi1$4...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Wed, 20 Sep 2023

That won't be necessary. I opted to download this thread so I could read all
of the posts in the order the server actually has them. I've also seen the
pic he shared of his soldering irons. Two of them aren't soldering irons.
They're both engravers, one of which is a dremel and tells you, in english
no less that it's an engraving tool; NOT a soldering iron. The less orange
one looks to have been seriously abused. As in, overheated it's element; you
can see where it literally started cooking it's own metal; discoloration due
to serious overheat. I'm wondering if he plugged it in and forgot about it
for a day or two? I wouldn't trust the element, and I'm assuming it's still
functional. None are wedge tips either. I hate using conical for this type
of work. wedge is the preferred tip here. He doesn't need a heatgun to do
the work, it can be done with the proper iron instead. But, this isn't a
board where he can practice his soldering skills on. Again, the objective is
not to destroy the work area.

He must have slept thru that college class he wrote about where he
supposedly helped the people with the fly speed device, because, I can't
recall a single person who'd tell me it's okay to use acid based solder for
pcb work. It will *eat* the work area, components, traces, the board itself!

The gun isn't in terrible condition, but it's far too high wattage and heat
to use on a pcb; especially when nearly all of the components, except for
some in the power supply module to be surface mount.

The only iron in his picture that's worth using is the orange one; it looks
like a weller clone. I'm assuming the clear plastic ring has LEDs for
lighting the immediate work area?

So, I've seen what his tools are for this, I've seen he doesn't know the
difference between an engraver and a soldering iron. We won't be using the
engravers for a single thing here...
And we will not be using ACID core based solder on a fucking pcb; we aren't
looking to chemically eat a fucking hole right thru our work area. That's
plumbers solder, it's not meant for electronics work; it will literally EAT
the work area; board, components, n all, over time.

I've also read his posts, where he calls me a liar and claimed I'd given him
my word that I would walk him thru this, no matter what. I didn't write any
such post offering to do that. The only thing I gave my word on is that I
wouldn't expose him to any risk of an electrical shock; but that's only if
he's able to follow directions, to the letter.

He's already shown he doesn't do well with following written directions- two
tools in his picture have no purpose for the troubleshooting and repair that
will be required. I didn't intend to do a video course on troubleshooting
and repairing at the pcb level...I'd planned to do this over text, right
here in the open. I took him at his word, based on the discussion we had
about him helping the college class with their fly speed device that he
atleast understands basic electronics and soldering principles. I'm not
seeing a tip cleaner, tip tinning, etc, in the pic he shared. What I'm
seeing his confusion on what the tools are on his end, the completely wrong
kind of solder, and various irons in good to not so good condition.

I know he's got an old ratshack meter, but, he probably doesn't actually
know how to use it.
He isn't giving me much to work with here. It doesn't give me confidence
that he actually wanted to do this, it furthers my theory this thread was
created for trolling me, further. Because he couldn't make the sale that he
taught me about old tech.

I asked him months ago, when I made the initial offer for a list of the
tools he has access to. It took him this long to create a thread about it.
And he spent most of the time twisting what I wrote, calling me a liar in
the process, and claiming that nobody should trust a single thing I say;
it's as if he thinks I have the well known reputation like he does of being
a story teller and quite the liar. Projection at it's finest level I
suppose?

I think he created this thread as a side distraction over the interaction
that was already in progress; the one where he claimed to have taught me how
a file pointer trick works to copy a file, but not use twice the space. And
he finished up from what I can see with a post claiming as I said, that
people would be a fool trusting anything I post. It doesn't sound to me like
he really wants me to help him repair his dead computer? Sounds more like
he's trying to continue sliming me. The majority of the posts in this thread
seem to be focused on sliming and intentionally misrepresenting what I wrote
about this matter. And, again, it took him sometime since I suggested doing
this before he could be arsed enough to share any details concerning his
irons. FFS, two engravers, one with a sticker still on it that's readable!
tells you it's an engraver!

He can't even differentiate between the fucking tools. How am I supposed to
be sure he doesn't mis identify a capacitor for a fucking diode or resistor?
I've interacted enough here with him to know this is going to be a bitch
(mostly for me) to complete because he's not very cooperative and is so
fucking dishonest it's not even close to funny.

What reasonable person who wants help from another would create a thread of
bullshit to slime and lie about them? I know snit isn't reasonable, but,
this is bullshit.

[Gremlin]

Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>

news:ueho3a$3jaki$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Thu, 21 Sep 2023

15:39:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 2023-09-17, Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:
>> On 2023-09-17, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 17, 2023 at 7:31:15 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>><ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are
>>>>> still looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>>
>>>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>>>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along
>>>> the way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>>>
>>> You do not think he will keep his word either. Not surprised.
>>
>> Why can't you read? I clearly said I "think" he'd be a fool to do this.
>>
>> Where did he 'give his word' that he would do this in the midst of all
>> the lying you've done about him? You'll produce that 'any minute now'
>><eyeroll>, right?
>
> <crickets>
>
> I saw him offer to help you, I never saw him 'give his word' that he'd
> do so amidst you 'doing what you do' and I don't expect to see you do
> what you've often claimed you do, "support" you allegations.

Correct.

> Didn't he ask to see images of your tooling early on? No matter, if you
> were interested you'd have just posted them instead of making up a BS
> story about how he 'gave his word'.

I did, months ago now, yes. I can tell now from the pic he shared that he
doesn't even know what an iron actually is, he included not one, but two
fucking engravers in the damn pic. WTF does he think we would be using
either of those for?

Completely wrong solder for electronics work/rework, etc. I think this
thread was created as a side thing because he wasn't able to sell his latest
bullshit story that he taught me about some ancient, as far as i'm
concerned, data duplication technology. APFS isn't the first file system to
use a file pointer trick to let you make 'copies' on the same volume,
without actually using the expected space. Hell, if we wanna be real anal
about it, I was already doing this with my floppy that had two sets of files
on it. Only, I actually wrote the routines to do it, it wasn't 'built in'

Since he seems to go out of his way to ignore things I write, I'm not
confident he'll follow my directions with the repair. I'm starting to
suspect that you're right with your concerns; I had plans in place, but,
they expected some intelligence and understanding of the processes on his
part. Being able to read and understand my instructions, and post telling me
if you don't; or if I need to further clarify something is important. And, I
don't seem him being able to do that due to his pride.

Thinking what you wrote over reminded me of the AZ thread and how well that
didn't go. Well, this is a little more important because if the instructions
aren't followed to the letter, additional harm to the device and possibly
him could occur. basically, I can tell him, all I like, not to touch this or
that component; but for obvious reasons, since he often doesn't listen to
me, I wouldn't be surprised to learn he did anyway, to do what you wrote
about.

The repair would involve exchanging pictures, possibly video as well on
occasion as was necessary. Most importantly though, my instructions would
need to be followed to the fucking letter and if he's not able to do so, for
whatever reason, I'd need to know as soon as possible, before we could
continue to the next step. Maybe i'll remove him from the scoring system in
a month or two and check on the progress of his ability to comprehend what
he reads and revisit this subject.

> People are not as stupid as you need them to be, they just aren't.
>

[Snit]

On Sep 27, 2023 at 1:47:38 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB08CAA...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
> news:ueho3a$3jaki$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Thu, 21 Sep 2023
> 15:39:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On 2023-09-17, Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-17, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 17, 2023 at 7:31:15 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>>> <ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are
>>>>>> still looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>>>>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along
>>>>> the way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>>>>
>>>> You do not think he will keep his word either. Not surprised.
>>>
>>> Why can't you read? I clearly said I "think" he'd be a fool to do this.
>>>
>>> Where did he 'give his word' that he would do this in the midst of all
>>> the lying you've done about him? You'll produce that 'any minute now'
>>> <eyeroll>, right?
>>
>> <crickets>
>>
>> I saw him offer to help you, I never saw him 'give his word' that he'd
>> do so amidst you 'doing what you do' and I don't expect to see you do
>> what you've often claimed you do, "support" you allegations.
>
> Correct.

You said you would help. That IS giving your word. Of course, your word means
little to you, as even Carroll knows. Now it is that I did some unnamed
thing... or when it is vaguely referenced it is the same attacks you guys made
BEFORE the offer. So nothing in me has changed: I am still being honest and
you two are still attacking and lying. And then you use YOUR attacks as a
reason to say you should not help me.

Do not get me wrong: I am not really disappointed about you going back on your
word -- I expected it. Clearly so did Carroll. Unlikely anyone trusted you.
But I wanted you to prove me wrong... and it would have given us a chance to
work together on a place where you have more knowledge. This would maybe help
you to put to bed your accusations and challenges. You were not up to it. I
get it... as I said, did not expect you to be.

>> Didn't he ask to see images of your tooling early on? No matter, if you
>> were interested you'd have just posted them instead of making up a BS
>> story about how he 'gave his word'.
>
> I did, months ago now, yes.

I told you what tools within 24-48 hours. You two love your drama. LOL!

> I can tell now from the pic he shared that he
> doesn't even know what an iron actually is, he included not one, but two
> fucking engravers in the damn pic. WTF does he think we would be using
> either of those for?

I have no clue on any of it. LOL! I have used them for engraving but thought
they were soldering irons I just used fo that. But thanks... I was asked
recently by a friend if I have engravers. Know I know! Well, I will want to
double check what you said but good info to check into. Really do appreciate
it.

> Completely wrong solder for electronics work/rework, etc.

I showed you what I have. And I showed those shortly after I found them and
AFTER you admitted your word was not of value to you.

> I think this
> thread was created as a side thing because he wasn't able to sell his latest
> bullshit story that he taught me about some ancient, as far as i'm
> concerned, data duplication technology.

This thread was created to give you a chance to keep your word. But on APFS,
you have not been able to explain your own comments:

Gremlin:
-----
So you don't realize he isn't making sense? I'll make this
easy for you. How would a system let you think you copied
a file from point a to point b, but somehow, the copy in
point b is actually just the differences between the
copies, except that there aren't any differences between
them until you make a change to the original or the
duplicate one.

Is he making any sense to you there, David? your copied
file isn't really a copy, it's an incremental backup (only
the changes) of the original; except that well, you issued
a file copy command, you didn't modify the file as it was
being copied. So, how is it just copying over changes you
havent even made yet?

Are you sure you want him to post on your behalf, on any
public forum?

He took shots in the dark here, and has filled you full of
shite!
-----
If I copy file a from location one to location two; it
should be a complete copy. It can't track differences and
just save those yet, I haven't gone back and made any
changes to the original.

You seem confused here, Snit, but, I'm always interested
in learning something new. So, which file systems
specifically are doing this on file copy commands?
-----

Can you explain what you meant by any of that? LOL! You were lost and lashing
out... which is common for you.

> APFS isn't the first file system to
> use a file pointer trick to let you make 'copies' on the same volume,
> without actually using the expected space.

You say this a lot as though someone suggested otherwise. Can you explain why?

>
> Since he seems to go out of his way to ignore things I write,

Your writing is long, filled with self promotion and attacks, and frankly
boring. I am quite clear I often skim and skip. Of course if there were
specific directions I would not do that... but you have made it clear your
word is not of value to you.

> I'm not
> confident he'll follow my directions with the repair. I'm starting to
> suspect that you're right with your concerns; I had plans in place, but,
> they expected some intelligence and understanding of the processes on his
> part.

You refuse to keep your word and blame others.

> Being able to read and understand my instructions, and post telling me
> if you don't; or if I need to further clarify something is important. And, I
> don't seem him being able to do that due to his pride.

You are not keeping your word and trying to find ways to sooth your own ego
over it.

[Snit]

On Sep 27, 2023 at 1:47:37 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB08CAA...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

> Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
> news:uef6k7$30qi1$4...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Wed, 20 Sep 2023
> 16:28:55 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> On 2023-09-20, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>> Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
>>> news:ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Sun, 17 Sep 2023
>>> 14:31:15 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are
>>>>> still looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>>
>>>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be a
>>>> fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things along
>>>> the way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or that'.
>>>
>>> I anticipated such action and planned accordingly. Fail safes, if you
>>> will.
>>> :) Interesting that he waits until he annoys me enough with his
>>> :consistent
>>> dishonest bullshit that I go ahead and shitcan him then decides, after
>>> all this time, he'll accept the help. WTF...
>>
>> Well, then... on with the show!
>
> That won't be necessary. I opted to download this thread so I could read all
> of the posts in the order the server actually has them.

You cannot just read them in your Usenet client? Or do you mean you just
downloaded them there? If just there, of course you did to read them. LOL!

What else does one do?

[Snit Michael Glasser]

We're all sorry Carroll's a paranoid, narcissistic, delusional liar but
that's not gonna change anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. BTW, I've already proved that
his use of "herd" to describe honest people is defamation of character,
since he's likening them to sled dogs. Carroll's posts are nothing but
a valueless rambling. Contrary to Carroll's claim that he has "no interest
in making a spam bot" (a lie as evidenced by the fact that he annoyed
everyone in COLA) he was quoted asking others how they would automate
posting through Google Groups.

--
E-commerce Simplified!
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dustin+Cook%3A+functional+illiterate+fraud
Dustin Cook is a functional illiterate fraud

[pothead]

When I was growing up in the 60's, my dad built a boatload of HeathKit equipment. Every manual had
written in huge type, not to use acid core solder because it is corrosive to electronics.
I still have a few Kester rolls of rosin core solder from my dad. I also have his Weller soldering
gun, the one with the lights on it.
These days I use an X-Tronic soldering station which is a clone of the Hakko units and an Anesty
de-soldering station both of which work very well. Of course I also have a couple of Weller pencil
irons with various wattage tips.



--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[Snit Michael Glasser]

Don't look now, but I think Sigmond has a serious fascination with Shadow.
Do not get too bigheaded, Sigmond, sometimes "seemingly intelligent people"
are just that. Is this for real? What do you get out of lying? For all the
big talk Sigmond has done on this topic, the 'Scripting King' doesn't understand
how to do this. It literally takes a couple seconds to click and drag across
a selection and 'translate' it.


-
Sigmond is a pathological liar
Sigmond is a functionally illiterate fraud
Sigmond has a severe reading comprehension problem

[Snit Michael Glasser]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:33:23 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:

What is the world coming to when a Mike Easter sock can't get any responses?
With no support at all, as is usual for Mike Easter.

Folks who have known Mike Easter for quite a while, and also have experience
with him highly advise rejecting him to get him to troll someplace else.
As long as Snit Glasser and anyone else continues to spoon feed him, he won't
seek an audience someplace else.

Gee, imagine Mike Easter trying to pin his codswallop on me or others, no
one has ever seen that before.


-
Gremlin AKA Dustin Cook is a pathological liar
Gremlin AKA Dustin Cook is a functionally illiterate fraud
Gremlin AKA Dustin Cook has a severe reading comprehension problem

[Snit Michael Glasser]

You installed and deleted competing systems and your "amazing brain powers"
lead you to that assumption, did they? I am not going to play like Pothead
did not get me out of a tight spot with this crap and I am thankful for
his help. Snit sock HWSNBN has this thread to study and can start to at
least pretend he knows something about it because of this.

Android, runs on the NNTP protocol kernel. So yeah, NNTP protocol is mobile.
NNTP protocol is a super computer. NNTP protocol is a server. NNTP protocol
is a desktop. NNTP protocol is growing in market share. You've proven only
what a moron you are.

You likely think Fluxbox handles the desktop well. Nope. Not compared to
what I have. No one who isn't just using you for erotic advantage sees you
as anything remotely close to good. You have no one but me to credit for
that.

--
I Left My Husband & Daughter At Home And THIS happened

https://swisscows.com/web?query=%22narcissistic%20bigot%22
Dustin Cook the Fraud

[Gremlin]

pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> news:uf2aq7$3anp9$1...@dont-email.me Wed, 27

Sep 2023 22:36:55 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 2023-09-27, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>> Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
>> news:ueho3a$3jaki$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Thu, 21 Sep 2023
>> 15:39:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

>>> I saw him offer to help you, I never saw him 'give his word' that he'd
>>> do so amidst you 'doing what you do' and I don't expect to see you do
>>> what you've often claimed you do, "support" you allegations.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>> Didn't he ask to see images of your tooling early on? No matter, if
>>> you were interested you'd have just posted them instead of making up a
>>> BS story about how he 'gave his word'.
>>
>> I did, months ago now, yes. I can tell now from the pic he shared that
>> he doesn't even know what an iron actually is, he included not one, but
>> two fucking engravers in the damn pic. WTF does he think we would be
>> using either of those for?
>>

[snip]

>> The repair would involve exchanging pictures, possibly video as well on
>> occasion as was necessary. Most importantly though, my instructions
>> would need to be followed to the fucking letter and if he's not able to
>> do so, for whatever reason, I'd need to know as soon as possible,
>> before we could continue to the next step. Maybe i'll remove him from
>> the scoring system in a month or two and check on the progress of his
>> ability to comprehend what he reads and revisit this subject.
>>
>
> When I was growing up in the 60's, my dad built a boatload of HeathKit
> equipment. Every manual had written in huge type, not to use acid core
> solder because it is corrosive to electronics. I still have a few Kester
> rolls of rosin core solder from my dad. I also have his Weller soldering
> gun, the one with the lights on it.

:) I've built a few of those kits when I was a kid. They were really bad as
I recall about frequency drift and just generally not being very reliable.
But, they did teach you the necessary basics concerning radio. If you used
what they provided, you could even build yourself a little transmitter. Your
dad probably did that too and experienced the same frequency drift as
myself. You just couldn't keep the damn things 'locked' if you will.

Acid Core is very corrosive to electronics, the pcb itself, the traces, etc.
Yes, indeed it is. I remember when we had a 'new' technician at a place I
worked some years back. The job he was assigned shouldn't have been a big
deal. It was to replace a busted power jack and three bad usb ports on a
laptop. A Dell laptop at that. Somehow, acid core based solder was used in
the repair. That new technician didn't bother to check anything and just
assumed the solder he found with a fucking mini propane torch was the stuff
he was supposed to use; instead of the stuff that was in the same damn
toolbox as the 30watt pencil style soldering iron.

How you fuck up like that I don't know for sure, but, I have seen the
results of the work two months or so after the fact. It came back because
one of the usb ports had stopped working. When I disassembled the computer
on the bench to take a looksee at what the issue might be (we didn't use
cheap parts/components and I had yet to see the first failure of a usb port
that was replaced by the shop) thats when I got to see for myself just how
bad acid core solder is. It had already eaten a hole thru the entire board;
right where the work was done on that port. The other traces nearby all
looked really bad; as in failure was going to take place at any moment, bad.
It became obvious real fast that the entire work area was compromised; some
severely, some not as bad (yet). The entire board was pulled from the laptop
chassis and took an emergency grade bath in an ultra sonic cleaner; using
some of the best cleaning solution I've ever seen or had the pleasure of
working with; and, it comes from the UK. It's not made here, and it's pretty
damn expensive but.. it's the best shit I know of, I still use it
exclusively at my own shop. It's either dawn dish soap bath, or the blue
stuff that has an odd smell to it. If I'm cleaning after a rework, it's
usually the blue bath. if I'm cleaning the entire board for prep, it's
usually dawn dish soap. Safe enough for wildlife, safe enough for pcb
cleaning. I don't recommend leaving the shit soaking for a really long time,
and I recommend rinsing with distilled water in either case.

Due to the ultra sonic cleaning chemicals, I was able to neutralize the
effects of the left over, acid core based flux and prevent further damage. I
had to redo some traces and resolder a few joints to restablize the board,
though. I also had to do a thorough job of cleaning out the hole it made.
Carbon was present, and as I'm sure you know, carbon is conductive.

When I first started, I remember my first experience with carbon residue on
a radio I was working on. It had blown components in the power supply
section; so I replaced them, but I didn't clean the board top or bottom
beforehand. I mostly cleaned up after myself when I finished, though. When I
attempted to turn the radio on, that's when I learned that you always clean
up after blown components; they will leave carbon build up soot behind, and
it's conductive. You *can* short out brand new components, along with other
original components (hella show that one was) due to carbon residue being on
the board, allowing electrical contact where it shouldn't be. Sigh.

> These days I use an X-Tronic soldering station which is a clone of the
> Hakko units and an Anesty de-soldering station both of which work very
> well. Of course I also have a couple of Weller pencil irons with various
> wattage tips.

Very nice gear. I do not have a desoldering station. I'm still using solder
wick and hand pumps. I have a tendency though of doing my own wick to my
specs; I find it makes things easier for me to be able to fine control
solder removal on various components. I don't want to lift pads or traces, I
just want the solder gone so the component is free.

I did use one of the Hakko solder sucking units though for a fairly decent
sized recapping project. It's a nice tool, but, it's not exactly on the low
end price wise. The last time I priced one, it was in the 200plus dollar
range. if I had enough of the type of work that I was going to be doing alot
of dip component harvesting or replacement, I could justify it.

As it is though, they don't work that well with SMD (atleast not the one I
was using) based components, and for the most part, aside from high
current/high voltage; you won't run into DIP style components which is what
the one I borrowed was for.

I have an offbrand digital soldering station that uses open source firmware.
It's also open source hardware, but, I couldn't build it as inexpensively as
I can buy it. rofl. It's a shinenow, a kseg clone. Which is actually a Hakko
clone; and I'm sure it's not a licensed one. It accepts their tips, the
wands, (Mine is T12 based), etc. It's a great little tool, Once I got it, I
stopped using my pencil style irons for the most part. I tend to use a wedge
tip and I typically do the majority of my solder work at 350 celcius.

I've also got a couple of elenco style pencil irons, a couple of wellers (I
have one of the third gen 40watt ones; which is quite the damn iron I must
say). My first pencil style iron of any real significance was my elenco.
It's literally sold to school systems in an effort to teach young persons
the craft. it's a great iron, but a little pricey. I like it's ceramic coil
system and it's tip holding design. You can also get conical tips or wedge
tips for it. It ships with a couple of conical tips. I believe tip wise it
can run some weller ones as well.

They also make a pretty decent full fledged, desktop size I'd say soldering
station. I don't own one of those, I'm quite content with my shinenow. And
if I was going to buy another one, no offense to elenco; but for the money
and the features, I'd get another shinenow or a decent clone of it. Or, if
the funds was unlimited, for sure, Hakko everything. It's not just the name,
it's the earned and known for quality tools in the electronics industry.

I'd also upgrade my scope options to a Keysight four channel. And maybe a
multi output adjustable variable bench power supply. I have one now that's
good for upto 30 volts at ten amps, but it's a single output model. If I
wanted to drive two circuits on dc isolated circuits, I'd have to run one or
both on batteries, or get another one of these power supplies, or snag one
of the 'now you're getting serious' multi output bench power supplies
avalable by keysight and others. But, when you're buying that gear, you
better have the work either already at the shop, or you know for sure it's
coming because you can (I know I could!) easily spend thousands at keysight
alone. Some of their scopes are tens of thousands.

Right now, I have a few single channel scopes that came as a kit you
assemble yourself. You can save more coin when ordering one if you forgo the
chassis, and do all the soldering yourself during the assembly. I don't
recommend that route for total n00bs to soldering because it's almost all
surface mount and they aren't very large components. They are limited in max
range, max sample speed, etc; but, they aren't a keysight either. :) These
are my modern, CRT free scopes. I still have an ancient technics I think it
is scope that's almost as big as a suitcase here someplace. Ironically, the
baby scope kits are more versatile; except for their limited max voltage on
the sample. The technics if I remember correctly could handle 1kv without
requiring the probe adjustment kits that goes between your scope and your
probes. Same thing you basically do when you need to get the voltage from
the high side of the MOT or a flyback on a CRT based set. Obviously you
can't sample it directly using your meter raw; The meter can't handle the
high voltages which are present in those devices.

They do the job I ask of them, but I have to do all the scale math myself;
they don't really do much on that end on their own. I can use the limited
plotting functions and get the voltage at whatever area of the wave form;
but, it won't do any of the real math for me. It just gives raw data and
you're on your own. It also has what I consider to be a low max incoming
sample voltage. You can't use this particular scope on any circuit that will
have over 50 volts present; atleast not directly tied to the scope. You can
use the load configuration kits that go between your scope and probes when
you need to sample a circuit you know, or suspect atleast has a voltage
level which exceeds the capability of your scope. They're also a little on
the sensitive side when triggering or showing the waveform, so it'll be a
little jagged sometimes. They aren't in any way shielded, so if you have
switch mode power supplies in very close proximity of it's single channel
BNC connector you could very well see it represented on the screen. [g]

max frequency these little shits can sample is over a megahertz, so limited
there as well but still well withen usability for that range. Unless you're
working on high power high frequency radio transmitter circuits, they work
well. If you are dealing with such circuits though, obviously you'd want a
much more advanced scope. And naturally, you'll fork a lot more coin than I
did for one of these kit scopes [g]

I've also got a component identifier kit. And it's pretty damn accurate for
most components. Not only will it mostly properly identify a component,
it'll give you the pin configuration, any resistance/capacitance detected,
etc. It's quite spiffy. It isn't, afaik, able to do anything with an actual
IC though. I can't stick a 555 on it and it tell me what's attached. But, if
I have a capacitor, a transistor (including most fets and igbt!) it'll fork
me it's internal values and the correct pin layout. yes, it knows the
difference between base/gate source/drain, collector, emitter pins. It can
also tell you if you've blown the fet/bjt because as you know, a blown fet
is no different than a big fat resistor in most fail scenarios that don't
involve any casing damage or smoke visibly being released from the fet.

I can even use it for resistors. [g] so I don't have to bother with the
color code, or use a meter; the tester can do that all for me. It can also
run cap tests. So, again, useful thing to have in your bench tool set.

I'm also a big fan of SRA soldering products. Especially the solder removal
alloy. Have you worked with this stuff? You use a very small amount of it
and melt it into existing solder. The moment it's bonded, that solder will
remain completely liquid state for several seconds after you take the iron
off it. Matter of fact, you can take a plastic wedge and just give the
solder a shove and it'll roll up into a little ball and just fall right off
the board, taking nothing else you didn't want taken with it. You can roll
it back and forth with your iron, or a pencil or scraping tool; whatever you
want to use. You have nearly ten seconds of it remaining in liquid state
before you have to apply heat to do it again, so plenty of time to get the
component free.

You do have to perform extra cleanup before you install new components and
apply fresh solder though. As this alloy isn't solder, it's designed to make
SMD work quick and painless; no more heat gun to remove a square surface
mount, say, micro processor on a game console. Just apply this stuff on each
side, and the component will lift off the board within seconds, without
damaging a single trace or pad.

Long post, my apologies. Soldering/electronics a subject I'm passionate
about, if you couldn't tell already.

[Gremlin]

Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>

news:uehvrl$3kon2$3...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Thu, 21 Sep 2023

17:51:50 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

> On 2023-09-21, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 21, 2023 at 8:39:23 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>><ueho3a$3jaki$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>> On 2023-09-17, Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-17, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 17, 2023 at 7:31:15 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>>>> <ue72ji$ders$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-09-12, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I found my soldering irons ... can take pics if you want AND are
>>>>>>> still looking to keep your word in taking a look at my old iMac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I think this would be entertaining to watch, Gremlin would be
>>>>>> a fool to take you up on it because you'd likely sabotage things
>>>>>> along the way for the purpose of trying to 'sell' him as 'this or
>>>>>> that'.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not think he will keep his word either. Not surprised.
>>>>
>>>> Why can't you read? I clearly said I "think" he'd be a fool to do
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> Where did he 'give his word' that he would do this in the midst of
>>>> all the lying you've done about him? You'll produce that 'any minute
>>>> now' <eyeroll>, right?
>>>
>>> <crickets>
>>
>> I said what was needed:
>
> Your 'story telling' is never "needed"!

Agreed. Looks like he's writing a new one.

>>> I saw him offer to help you,
>>
>> And you did not believe him.
>
> I believe what he said, not what you're trying to falsely claim he
> said, ridiculous liar.

I thought snit didn't like it when people spoke for others? Now, it appears
that he's trying to put words in your mouth as he misleads would be readers
into what he thinks you should believe.

>>> I never saw him 'give his word'
>>
>> You do not see his word as him giving his word.

WTF? That doesn't even make any sense.

> 'Any minute now' you're going to produce of quote of him 'giving his
> word', which includes 'helping you regardless of how you've been
> treating him' <eyroll>.

Heh, I wouldn't mind seeing that one myself.

> People are not as stupid as you need them to be. You've been told this
> often enough so ignorance can't be claimed... must be stupidity.

Which isn't a fixable condition. You just can't fix stupid.

[Snit]

On Sep 27, 2023 at 10:58:34 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<XnsB08D14...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:

>>>> I never saw him 'give his word'
>>>
>>> You do not see his word as him giving his word.
>
> WTF? That doesn't even make any sense.

Right: his crap of your word not being your word is more of his gibberish. He
has made it clear your word -- what you say -- is of no value.

I am thankful that Carroll has called you out. And happy you called him out.

[Snit Michael Glasser]

Awhile back I did work on and showed some C# for the front end (only works
on Windows) which is the only thing you can do when trying to avoid FromTheRafters's
dishonest crap while reading with Google Groups. And you do realize that
it isn't impossible for FromTheRafters to be doing this, or to have his
uploaded consciousness doing it for him. What did Snit Glasser Michael
assume from the lying imbecile? That FromTheRafters nincompoop has nothing
to waste but time. He has nothing else, especially not a caring family.

FromTheRafters - who caused more errors applying his 'band-aids' than
what the computer started with before he touched it.

FromTheRafters gets excited that Snit Glasser Michael is on the other
end. Imagine if FromTheRafters walked up to a lobster and delivered the
punch line. It wouldn't be amusing.

--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about
him. He clearly wants the attention"

Steve Carroll, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.

[Snit Michael Glasser]

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:58:37 PM UTC-7, Gremlin wrote:

So what's Commander Kinsey's tool for the flooding nonsense? JavaScript?
That is the only database he knows, at least that I have seen. He must be
using it to produce these idiotic "obsession" threads. Educated idea, Commander
Kinsey took a FireFox extension that he pirated and try to sell online...
he's feeding it data from the program, grabbing random paragraphs, then altering
those using a Markv model and then he annoyingly posts them because his obsessiveness
enables him to do that close to nonstop. Real discussion will leave once
those of us here before the eternal September are outnumbered. That, and
there will repeatedly be a snit thrower or more in an open news group (i.e.
Commander Kinsey). The comedy of errors aside, we have all seen who often
pitches a fit when he doesn't get anyone on his side. Commander Kinsey's
posts are nothing but an inconsequential prattle.

And what did Commander Kinsey have to say about this amazing support from
new posters? Most of the time he would try to push the reader to believe
they're long time lurkers who just happened to have not enough brains to
see through his lies. Doesn't pass the laugh test.


--
Live on Kickstarter!
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steve+carroll%3A+narcissistic+bigot
Dustin Cook the Fraud

[Snit Michael Glasser]

Snit obviously has a heap of insight to share and he apparently wants
to share it. What he has not figured out, though, is this is without
a doubt the worst group for doing that because most of what he will get
back is moaning, misleading, and other crap. Lines of text containing
hints and signs. Pothead is often seen posting "GOOGLE HAS NOTHING" when
it comes to text on Snit's post where it is easy to find... but Pothead
is just too unintelligent and too in over your head to deduce any information.
And in retaliation you have nothing but a crack to start a circus.

Any dreadfully moronic welfare receiver could easily do the same.

Like the other trolls in this group, Pothead relies on biased media
to concoct his beliefs on the news. As such, he only is aware of and
listens to the sanctioned reports which also are the ones which characterize
communists in a highly kind and principled way.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-27, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:

> What reasonable person who wants help from another would create a thread of
> bullshit to slime and lie about them? I know snit isn't reasonable, but,
> this is bullshit.

I have no logical reason for believing it... but, were this to happen, I
was hoping to see something positive involving him. Given that I'm well
aware he rarely does anything without his same motive, from the
beginning I reached the conclusion you have here. Even after ~20 years
of watching it, I still find it *very* odd that he believes he can write
'so and so said X' and actually expect anyone to 'buy' whatever BS he's
try to 'sell'. Forget about his propensity to lie as ridiculously as he
does, one only need consider his poor reading comprehension to
rightfully call his 'assessment' of what someone "said" into question.

[Steve Carroll]

Even if one were to 'buy' the idea that he 'gave his word' with no
restrictions (like you lying your ass off about him), why is that
something you appear to value in "others" when you've repeatedly "shown"
your "word" is total sh*t, Mr. Hypocrite?

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 2023 at 10:58:34 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
><XnsB08D14...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
>>>>> I never saw him 'give his word'
>>>>
>>>> You do not see his word as him giving his word.
>>
>> WTF? That doesn't even make any sense.
>
> Right: his crap of your word not being your word is more of his gibberish. He
> has made it clear your word -- what you say -- is of no value.
>
> I am thankful that Carroll has called you out.

The only thing I confronted him on was what he said, not what you're
trying to 'sell' that he said. The game of 'telephone' doesn't work for
someone like you... and not only because you're an insane liar, you
can't comprehend what you read. This is true even on those rare
occasions when you're trying to be honest.

[David Brooks]

I've now posted the evidence of exactly who OUTED "Gremlin" - another
sock of Dustin Cook.

You must be aware by now that Dustin was the author of real, LIVE,
viruses - which he then released onto the Internet. His action harmed
folk across the globe. Don't you find such action totally abhorrent?

He STILL proud of what he did. ASK HIM!

--
David

[Steve Carroll]

What would I ask him that he hasn't already covered? Glasser's lie that
he's a functionally illiterate fraud? Glasser's lie that he's more
sizzle than steak? Glasser's lie that he's a fall guy? Glasser's 'gave
his word' lie? Notice the theme here that concerns *me*? And, yes, I
realize your attempt at putting a spin on this red herring that failed
to obscure Glasser's bullsh*t. No 'sale' for you!

[Snit Michael Glasser]

What's the Earth coming to when a Mike Easter insult fails to get any attention?
HA!

It is evident when Mike Easter regularly uses the word 'conservative' the
way Fox does, to the point where the word becomes polarizing.

Gremlin Dustin Cook:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=gremlin+dustin+cook>
<https://www.bing.com/search?q=gremlin+dustin+cook>
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gremlin+dustin+cook>

Functionally Illiterate Fraud:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=functionally+illiterate+fraud>
<https://www.bing.com/search?q=functionally+illiterate+fraud>
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=functionally+illiterate+fraud>

Steve Carroll Petruzzellis:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=steve+carroll+petruzzellis>
<https://www.bing.com/search?q=steve+carroll+petruzzellis>
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steve+carroll+petruzzellis>

Narcissistic Bigot:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=narcissistic+bigot>
<https://www.bing.com/search?q=narcissistic+bigot>
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=narcissistic+bigot>



--
Dustin Cook's number, tied to Johnson City
<https://www.whitepages.com/phone/1-423-491-1448>

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 8:47:28 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf476g$3o261$8...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid.uk> wrote:
>> On 28/09/2023 16:12, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-27, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What reasonable person who wants help from another would create a thread of
>>>> bullshit to slime and lie about them? I know snit isn't reasonable, but,
>>>> this is bullshit.
>>>
>>> I have no logical reason for believing it... but, were this to happen, I
>>> was hoping to see something positive involving him. Given that I'm well
>>> aware he rarely does anything without his same motive, from the
>>> beginning I reached the conclusion you have here. Even after ~20 years
>>> of watching it, I still find it *very* odd that he believes he can write
>>> 'so and so said X' and actually expect anyone to 'buy' whatever BS he's
>>> try to 'sell'. Forget about his propensity to lie as ridiculously as he
>>> does, one only need consider his poor reading comprehension to
>>> rightfully call his 'assessment' of what someone "said" into question.
>>
>> I've now posted the evidence of exactly who OUTED "Gremlin" - another
>> sock of Dustin Cook.
>>
>> You must be aware by now that Dustin was the author of real, LIVE,
>> viruses - which he then released onto the Internet. His action harmed
>> folk across the globe. Don't you find such action totally abhorrent?
>>
>> He STILL proud of what he did. ASK HIM!
>
> What would I ask him that he hasn't already covered? Glasser's lie that
> he's a functionally illiterate fraud?

In the past you have been asked to quote this and show a Message ID where I
have done as you accuse.

You failed.

Is it possible I worded something poorly? Sure. But you have not found it.

In short: YOU are lying in saying I said he is that... I have noted examples
where he PRESENTS himself as such.

> Glasser's lie that he's more
> sizzle than steak?

Again: I show examples and have noted he often pushes his sizzle, but I also
have noted when he has posted "steak".

You keep on lying about what I have said.

> Glasser's lie that he's a fall guy?

Again: No message ID or quote where I ever did this.

Why can't you stop lying about what I have said?!?!

> Glasser's 'gave his word' lie?

Even you noted he said he would help me... and then he backed out. You know he
lied about that.

Carroll:
-----
I saw him offer to help you...
-----

You did say you do not consider him SAYING something to be him giving his
word. LOL!

> Notice the theme here that concerns *me*?

The fact you repeatedly lie about me... maybe even more recently now that you
have been thinking of your ex from 2004.

> And, yes, I
> realize your attempt at putting a spin on this red herring that failed
> to obscure Glasser's bullsh*t. No 'sale' for you!

You listed a number of your lies, then an area you agreed with me, and somehow
hold ME accountable. LOL!

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 8:47:28 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf476g$3o261$8...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

You posted this exact text elsewhere. And it has been replied to. You make a
BUNCH of accusations you will never find Message IDs to back. You are simply
lying. As you do.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 8:29:12 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<cZgRM.21508$E_d1...@fx04.iad>:

As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 8:21:49 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf45md$3o261$3...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 27, 2023 at 10:58:34 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
>> <XnsB08D14...@cF04o3ON7k2lx05.lLC.9r5>:
>>>>>> I never saw him 'give his word'
>>>>>
>>>>> You do not see his word as him giving his word.
>>>
>>> WTF? That doesn't even make any sense.
>>
>> Right: his crap of your word not being your word is more of his gibberish. He
>> has made it clear your word -- what you say -- is of no value.
>>
>> I am thankful that Carroll has called you out.
>
> The only thing I confronted him on was what he said,

You mean the things YOU said he said but he later said he did not... but the
same things you refused to offer a quote or message ID on when I asked you
about them and you insisted I must know what you meant... though it turned out
it did not exist.

You made an ass of yourself.

> not what you're
> trying to 'sell' that he said.

You are the one who insisted he said it and even mocked me when I said I had
no clue what quote you meant.

> The game of 'telephone' doesn't work for
> someone like you... and not only because you're an insane liar, you
> can't comprehend what you read. This is true even on those rare
> occasions when you're trying to be honest.

See how you lash out... you have no point other than that you are angry. And
you keep going back to talking about the woman you dated in 2004. Still eating
away at you.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 8:16:50 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf45d2$3o261$2...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

>> You said you would help. That IS giving your word. Of course, your word means
>> little to you, as even Carroll knows. Now it is that I did some unnamed
>> thing... or when it is vaguely referenced it is the same attacks you guys made
>> BEFORE the offer. So nothing in me has changed: I am still being honest and
>> you two are still attacking and lying. And then you use YOUR attacks as a
>> reason to say you should not help me.

>> Do not get me wrong: I am not really disappointed about you going back on your
>> word -- I expected it. Clearly so did Carroll. Unlikely anyone trusted you.
>> But I wanted you to prove me wrong... and it would have given us a chance to
>> work together on a place where you have more knowledge. This would maybe help
>> you to put to bed your accusations and challenges. You were not up to it. I
>> get it... as I said, did not expect you to be.

> Even if one were to 'buy' the idea that he 'gave his word' with no
> restrictions

What the hell is this "with no restrictions" crap you are adding?

You two already accused me of everything under the sun.
THEN he offered.

Now you use those accusations, made BEFORE the offer, as an excuse why his
word means nothing.

Why can't you TRY to have a conversation in good faith? JUST TRY!

> (like you lying your ass off about him), why is that
> something you appear to value in "others" when you've repeatedly "shown"
> your "word" is total sh*t, Mr. Hypocrite?

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 8:12:11 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf454b$3o261$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

Carroll:
-----
I saw him offer to help you...
-----

You admitted you saw him give his word to help... and this was AFTER you two
were already making accusations. Then you use those accusations as an excuse
for him to back out of his word.

You know his word means nothing.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please, that's been your goofy 'sales pitch', what you thought was a
'clever' way of 'selling' it only highlights what an idiot you are.

(snip more of the same)

> Carroll:
> -----
> I saw him offer to help you...

"I saw him offer to help you, I never saw him 'give his word' that he'd
do so amidst you 'doing what you do' and I don't expect to see you do

what you've often claimed you do, "support" you allegations." - Steve
Carroll

Stop pretending you can read, we can all see you can't.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:29:14 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf49kq$3our9$3...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

My wanting you to actually back your accusations. You think it is deeply
unreasonable. LOL!

Bottom line: you make a bunch of accusations... about recent events... but you
have NO message ID to back your claims.

You make things up. You lie.

And the fact you cannot quote me doing as you accuse is part of the reason you
use your testament to your failure. You KNOW you are making things up.

> what you thought was a
> 'clever' way of 'selling' it only highlights what an idiot you are.
>
> (snip more of the same)

You snip more of you getting called out on a total lack of evidence.

>
>> Carroll:
>> -----
>> I saw him offer to help you...

>> -----

>> You did say you do not consider him SAYING something to be him giving his
>> word. LOL!
>

> "I saw him offer to help you, I never saw him 'give his word' that he'd
> do so amidst you 'doing what you do' and I don't expect to see you do
> what you've often claimed you do, "support" you allegations." - Steve
> Carroll

The accusations you two made came FIRST... and you added stipulations there
that are not relevant.

You knew he would back down from his word. You knew he was almost surely
lying.

You and he have both called each other out on your lies... but as long as he
serves your purpose of trolling and lying and attacking me you are happy to
keep him as your trolling buddy.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

"Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser

You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> The game of 'telephone' doesn't work for someone like you... and not
>> only because you're an insane liar, you can't comprehend what you
>> read. This is true even on those rare occasions when you're trying to
>> be honest.
>
> See how you lash out...

Where "lash out" points to yet more quotes of your "word" that "shows"
why no one should trust your 'reading' of anything.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:33:59 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf49tn$3our9$4...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

Where the hell did you get this idea? She left you and was obsessed with me...
so much I ended up getting the police involved... and you twist that into my
seeing her as you did!

You cannot imagine that others were not as infatuated with her as you were and
seemingly still are!

[Steve Carroll]

It's called reality, don't worry your tiny, pointed head about it ;)

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:36:07 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4a1n$3our9$5...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> The game of 'telephone' doesn't work for someone like you... and not
>>> only because you're an insane liar, you can't comprehend what you
>>> read. This is true even on those rare occasions when you're trying to
>>> be honest.
>>

>> See how you lash out... you have no point other than that you are angry. And
>> you keep going back to talking about the woman you dated in 2004. Still eating
>> away at you.

Notice you seek to redefine common phrases and in doing so flat out lie.

You even snipped your own trolling story. In short:

1) You and Gremlin made a bunch of accusations.

2) Gremlin gave his word to help me.

3) You used the accusations as an excuse for Gremlin not keeping his word.

Did ANYONE expect Gremlin to actually keep his word? I bet not. Even if so...
YOU clearly did not.

> Where "lash out" points to yet more quotes of your "word" that "shows"
> why no one should trust your 'reading' of anything.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:36:55 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4a37$3our9$6...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

>> You two already accused me of everything under the sun.
>> THEN he offered.

>> Now you use those accusations, made BEFORE the offer, as an excuse why his
>> word means nothing.

>> Why can't you TRY to have a conversation in good faith? JUST TRY!

You failed. You keep pretending your accusations came AFTER you two drama
queens were accusing me of everything under the sun... even though you cannot
point to message IDs to back your accusations.

> It's called reality, don't worry your tiny, pointed head about it ;)
>
>>> (like you lying your ass off about him), why is that
>>> something you appear to value in "others" when you've repeatedly "shown"
>>> your "word" is total sh*t, Mr. Hypocrite?
>>
>>

[Steve Carroll]

... to replace reality with your bizarre ideation of it won't work.

>>> Carroll:
>>> -----
>>> I saw him offer to help you...
>>> -----
>
>>> You did say you do not consider him SAYING something to be him giving his
>>> word. LOL!
>>
>> "I saw him offer to help you, I never saw him 'give his word' that he'd
>> do so amidst you 'doing what you do' and I don't expect to see you do
>> what you've often claimed you do, "support" you allegations." - Steve
>> Carroll

(snip more 'bizarre ideation')

[Steve Carroll]

"maybe she will give up on me" - Goofy

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:41:47 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4acb$3our9$9...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

>> My wanting you to actually back your accusations. You think it is deeply
>> unreasonable. LOL!

>> Bottom line: you make a bunch of accusations... about recent events... but you
>> have NO message ID to back your claims.

>> You make things up. You lie.

>> And the fact you cannot quote me doing as you accuse is part of the reason you
>> use your testament to your failure. You KNOW you are making things up.

Notice you STILL have no quotes.

You lied... and clearly you know it.

And with Gremlin giving his word: The accusations you two made came FIRST...

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:42:44 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4ae4$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

>>>>
>>>> As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
>>>> girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
>>>> me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.
>>>
>>> "Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
>>> on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
>>> wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser
>>>
>>> You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.
>>
>> Where the hell did you get this idea?
>
> "maybe she will give up on me" - Goofy

And you took that to mean I shared your infatuation with her? That, Carroll,
is a very direct example of projection on your part.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:36:07 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
><uf4a1n$3our9$5...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> The game of 'telephone' doesn't work for someone like you... and not
>>>> only because you're an insane liar, you can't comprehend what you
>>>> read. This is true even on those rare occasions when you're trying to
>>>> be honest.
>>>
>>> See how you lash out

>> Where "lash out" points to yet more quotes of your "word" that "shows"
>> why no one should trust your 'reading' of anything.
>

> Notice you seek to redefine common phrases and in doing so flat out lie.

I "Notice" you trying and failing at defining them... and I "Notice"
your flat out lies. I suspect anyone bothering to read your crap
notices, as well.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:42:44 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
><uf4ae4$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
>>>>> girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
>>>>> me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.
>>>>
>>>> "Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
>>>> on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
>>>> wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser
>>>>
>>>> You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.
>>>
>>> Where the hell did you get this idea?
>>
>> "maybe she will give up on me" - Goofy
>
> And you took that to mean I shared your infatuation with her?

I took that to mean YOU thought she was YOURS. I didn't say it was
rational, but that's YOU. Look at the other goofy crap you wrote and
what some had to say about it... from a post I wrote elsehere:


--
"I do not mean to embarrass you by bringing up your apparent infatuation
with me, but your love for me is neither healthy or returned." - Michael
Glasser

And "others" saw your delusion and commented... remember what you tried
to 'sell' to that female photographer:

"You seem to be assuming I am the one victimizing and she is the victim
based on *my* sex. That is a common thing to do in our society. Sexual
stereotypes are neither fair nor accurate for either gender." - Michael
Glasser

And what did this lady have to say?

"basically this "snit" character has been caught out projecting some
strange fantasy on a female poster. as a woman, it's very annoying when
your arguments are derided or ignored on the basis of your sex. i'm not
buying into the whys and wherefores of snit's and elizabot's past
debates but what a classic ploy! "but she came on to me!" and then
suggesting others should avoid elizabot... " - ShutterBugz

And Mike Dee (also from Australia, like ShutterBugz), RE Ebot:

"Looks like she's got you figured, and this "love" angle *you've* taken
here, cinches it." - Mike Dee

"Lately you've taken to accusing her of being "smitten and in love" with
*you*. That is just preposturous and absurd. Nothing could be further
from the truth." - Mike Dee

And ed: "You've have ruined your reputation and have no one to thank for
it but yourself. At this point, I suggest you change your internet name
and come back with some real honesty. You'll be surprised at how people
will be willing to accept you when you tell the truth. Even Elizabot,
whom you essentially stalked and sexually harrassed in csma might be
tempted to give you another chance." - ed


Did I "manipulate" them into saying these things?

Me, in response to Mike Dee's first comment above: "I'm inclined to
agree and, were I him, I would cool it because he is dangerously close
to crossing a line like she claimed."

No manipulation, just an obvious warning... to YOU, in an attempt to
help YOU... in fact, my next post reads:

"FWIW, I think your cop is wrong here. You might want to talk to a
lawyer... and no matter WHAT happens.. tell your wife BEFORE it gets out
of hand. I've seen this stuff escalate on basically the same type of
text and it ruined a marriage. In any event, good idea to cool it:)"

If she was *my* gf, why am I seen giving YOU advice

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/c/QVeuaEfIyl8/m/SDmQN9XQ968J>

That you had that racist co-troll, Nicholas Krinis (Nashton),
trying give you shade (AGAIN) didn't help you.
--


You're clearly out of you mind. What sane person would question that?!

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:59:04 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4bcn$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:42:44 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>> <uf4ae4$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
>>>>>> girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
>>>>>> me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
>>>>> on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
>>>>> wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser
>>>>>
>>>>> You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.
>>>>
>>>> Where the hell did you get this idea?
>>>
>>> "maybe she will give up on me" - Goofy
>>
>> And you took that to mean I shared your infatuation with her?
>
> I took that to mean YOU thought she was YOURS.

This is you projecting your own infatuation. LOL! I clearly am noting I want
her to give up her focus on me and for you two to get back together as you
wanted.

You have been stuck on this woman since 2004, using what you see as my
"stealing" her as an excuse for trolling, lying, stalking, harassing, and
more. It is reprehensible. Move on already.

> I didn't say it was
> rational,

Little of what you say is... but in this case your projection is more extreme
than normal. YOUR infatuation is yours.

> but that's YOU. Look at the other goofy crap you wrote and
> what some had to say about it... from a post I wrote elsehere:
>
>
> --
> "I do not mean to embarrass you by bringing up your apparent infatuation
> with me, but your love for me is neither healthy or returned." - Michael
> Glasser

And you took this to mean it WAS returned. Again: you project your own
infatuation with her.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:49:48 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4arb$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:36:07 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>> <uf4a1n$3our9$5...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The game of 'telephone' doesn't work for someone like you... and not
>>>>> only because you're an insane liar, you can't comprehend what you
>>>>> read. This is true even on those rare occasions when you're trying to
>>>>> be honest.
>>>>
>>>> See how you lash out
>
>>> Where "lash out" points to yet more quotes of your "word" that "shows"
>>> why no one should trust your 'reading' of anything.
>>
>> Notice you seek to redefine common phrases and in doing so flat out lie.

>> You even snipped your own trolling story. In short:

>> 1) You and Gremlin made a bunch of accusations.

>> 2) Gremlin gave his word to help me.

>> 3) You used the accusations as an excuse for Gremlin not keeping his word.

>> Did ANYONE expect Gremlin to actually keep his word? I bet not. Even if so...
>> YOU clearly did not.

You snipped and ran... you cannot even admit you and Gremlin were making your
accusations BEFORE he gave his word.

> I "Notice" you trying and failing at defining them... and I "Notice"
> your flat out lies. I suspect anyone bothering to read your crap
> notices, as well.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:59:04 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
><uf4bcn$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:42:44 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>> <uf4ae4$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
>>>>>>> girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
>>>>>>> me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
>>>>>> on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
>>>>>> wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where the hell did you get this idea?
>>>>
>>>> "maybe she will give up on me" - Goofy
>>>
>>> And you took that to mean I shared your infatuation with her?
>>
>> I took that to mean YOU thought she was YOURS.
>
> This is you projecting your own infatuation.

This was me, pointing out how you thought she was yours, as you make
clear in the quotes below, as well.

>> I didn't say it was rational,
>
> Little of what you say is...

Said the delusional goofball who tried to 'sell' the delusional idea
that Ebot was in "love" with him.

>> but that's YOU. Look at the other goofy crap you wrote and
>> what some had to say about it... from a post I wrote elsehere:
>>
>>
>> --
>> "I do not mean to embarrass you by bringing up your apparent infatuation
>> with me, but your love for me is neither healthy or returned." - Michael
>> Glasser
>
> And you took this to mean it WAS returned.

I took it to mean that you realized she didn't "love" you as you
goofishly alleged and you were pissed about it so you 'did what you do':
lied. Elsewhere, you even said you were going to stop responding to
her... another lie that didn't take long to be seen as a lie <shrug>.

[Snit Michael Glasser]

Clearly there are too many "more choice is always better" people in this
group and not enough old school users with the skills to help the people
with psychological problems. Is Snit envious about FromTheRafters having
three urls warning people about what he is, vs the single one he earned?

My view is beyond your understanding.

FromTheRafters says I'm not 'able' to call out their bullshit, and they
aren't going to admit to any prior bullshit they caused. To the contrary,
I'm expected to forget it all, and give them a clean slate so they can just
restart the game all over again, while they continue to accept no responsibility
for what they say and do in here towards Snit?

But when the data were collected, it turns out beyond any doubt, FromTheRafters
was far more "fanatical" than he admitted.

--
This Trick Gets Women Hot For You
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dustin+cook+the+functionally+illiterate+fraud
<https://youtu.be/xRvaRLlb3b8>
https://youtu.be/hYQ4Tg0r0g0
Steve Carroll the Narcissistic Bigot

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 10:25:12 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4ctn$3pflr$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:59:04 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>> <uf4bcn$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:42:44 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>>> <uf4ae4$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
>>>>>>>> girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
>>>>>>>> me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
>>>>>>> on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
>>>>>>> wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where the hell did you get this idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> "maybe she will give up on me" - Goofy
>>>>
>>>> And you took that to mean I shared your infatuation with her?
>>>
>>> I took that to mean YOU thought she was YOURS.
>>

>> This is you projecting your own infatuation. LOL! I clearly am noting I want
>> her to give up her focus on me and for you two to get back together as you
>> wanted.

>> You have been stuck on this woman since 2004, using what you see as my
>> "stealing" her as an excuse for trolling, lying, stalking, harassing, and
>> more. It is reprehensible. Move on already.

> This was me, pointing out how you thought she was yours,

A conclusion you reached based on your projection of your own feelings!

> as you make
> clear in the quotes below, as well.

"but your love for me is neither healthy or returned"

You take that to mean the exact opposite of what I said.

Again: you are projecting. You cannot imagine how anyone cannot see her how
you did... and clearly still do.

You need to move on. That was nearing TWENTY years ago.

Have you been able to date at all since then? Have you just been stuck on her?

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2023 at 10:25:12 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
><uf4ctn$3pflr$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:59:04 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>> <uf4bcn$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:42:44 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>>>> <uf4ae4$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
>>>>>>>>> girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
>>>>>>>>> me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
>>>>>>>> on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
>>>>>>>> wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where the hell did you get this idea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "maybe she will give up on me" - Goofy
>>>>>
>>>>> And you took that to mean I shared your infatuation with her?
>>>>
>>>> I took that to mean YOU thought she was YOURS.
>>>
>>> This is you projecting your own infatuation.
>>

>> This was me, pointing out how you thought she was yours, as you make

>> clear in the quotes below, as well.

> A conclusion you reached based on

... the words YOU wrote.

>> as you make clear in the quotes below, as well.
>
> "but your love for me is neither healthy or returned"

Even if true, what has it to do with your goofy belief you thought she
was in "love" with you? You're making your usual 'no sense'.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 10:49:37 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4ebh$3pklc$2...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 10:25:12 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>> <uf4ctn$3pflr$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:59:04 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>>> <uf4bcn$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 9:42:44 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
>>>>>> <uf4ae4$3our9$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
>>>>>>>>>> girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
>>>>>>>>>> me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
>>>>>>>>> on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
>>>>>>>>> wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where the hell did you get this idea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "maybe she will give up on me" - Goofy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you took that to mean I shared your infatuation with her?
>>>>>
>>>>> I took that to mean YOU thought she was YOURS.
>>>>
>>>> This is you projecting your own infatuation.
>>>
>>> This was me, pointing out how you thought she was yours, as you make
>>> clear in the quotes below, as well.
>

>> A conclusion you reached based on your projection of your own feelings!

> ... the words YOU wrote.

I wrote the exact opposite of your conclusion. LOL! You have gone completely
delusional... or, really, when it comes to her you ALWAYS have been. While it
is not good you obsess over me based on your feelings for her, it is good
anyone can read this thread and see you pushing such insanity. They might not
agree it is over you projecting... they know you troll me and lie to get my
attention. But, really, this was what got you so obsessed -- your infatuation
with ebot and your false belief I wanted to steal her from you. Two decades on
you have not been able to get past 2004.

>
>>> as you make clear in the quotes below, as well.
>>
>> "but your love for me is neither healthy or returned"
>
> Even if true,

It is what you quoted to push the exact opposite itself. You projected your
own feelings for her onto me.

> what has it to do with your goofy belief you thought she
> was in "love" with you?

As you BOTH pointed out, she was the only person to be more obsessed with me
than you were. But she moved on. You have not.

> You're making your usual 'no sense'.

Your failure to understand is not a reflection on me. You are clearly
projecting your feelings for her onto me. MOVE ON ALREADY.

The fact you can be more open is good... maybe even you will see how you need
professional help.

[Steve Carroll]

Yes, YOU wrote them.

>> what has it to do with your goofy belief you thought she
>> was in "love" with you?
>
> As you BOTH pointed out

She pointed it out based on the fact that the word "Snit" was all over
the place and that I addressed so many of your goofy thread. But this
still has nothing to do with your goofy belief she was in "love" with
you... that she was *yours*.

[%]

and they've been together ever since

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:13:10 PM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4j86$3qlts$2...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

>> I wrote the exact opposite of your conclusion. LOL! You have gone completely
>> delusional... or, really, when it comes to her you ALWAYS have been. While it
>> is not good you obsess over me based on your feelings for her, it is good
>> anyone can read this thread and see you pushing such insanity. They might not
>> agree it is over you projecting... they know you troll me and lie to get my
>> attention. But, really, this was what got you so obsessed -- your infatuation
>> with ebot and your false belief I wanted to steal her from you. Two decades on
>> you have not been able to get past 2004.

> Yes, YOU wrote them.

Do you ever understand what you read? Are you just trolling to change the
topic from where you backed yourself into corners? Get the help you need.

>
>>> what has it to do with your goofy belief you thought she
>>> was in "love" with you?
>>

>> As you BOTH pointed out, she was the only person to be more obsessed with me
>> than you were. But she moved on. You have not.

> She pointed it out

If so she deluded herself into thinking I returned her feelings... and you,
with your infatuation, believed her.

Get the hell over her... or don't... but just leave me out of your issues with
her!

> based on the fact that the word "Snit" was all over
> the place and that I addressed so many of your goofy thread. But this
> still has nothing to do with your goofy belief she was in "love" with
> you... that she was *yours*.

Stop projecting your feelings. I get you cannot see how anyone sees her in

ways you do not... but it is not true. You even quoted where I said:

"but your love for me is neither healthy or returned"

You take that to mean the exact opposite of what YOU quoted!

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:35:04 PM MST, "%" wrote
<kNCcnQmr5MT0SIj4...@giganews.com>:

>>>
>>> As you BOTH pointed out, she was the only person to be more obsessed with me
>>> than you were. But she moved on. You have not.

>> She pointed it out based on the fact that the word "Snit" was all over
>> the place and that I addressed so many of your goofy thread. But this
>> still has nothing to do with your goofy belief she was in "love" with
>> you... that she was *yours*.
>>
> and they've been together ever since

Snit, as quoted by Carroll:
-----

but your love for me is neither healthy or returned

-----

And from that he took it to mean I shared his infatuation with her.

This was in 2004... and he still is going on about her and who she loved and
who he imagines loved her.

[Steve Carroll]

>> Yes, YOU wrote them.
>
> Do you ever

I write words all the time.

>>>> what has it to do with your goofy belief you thought she
>>>> was in "love" with you?
>>>
>>> As you BOTH pointed out, she was the only person to be more obsessed with me
>>> than you were. But she moved on. You have not.
>

>> She pointed it out based on the fact that the word "Snit" was all over

>> the place and that I addressed so many of your goofy thread. But this
>> still has nothing to do with your goofy belief she was in "love" with
>> you... that she was *yours*.

You ignored this.

> Stop projecting your feelings.

YOUR words show you are doing that.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:48:55 PM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4lb7$3r5a2$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

Snit, as quoted by Carroll:
-----

but your love for me is neither healthy or returned

-----

I wrote the exact opposite of your conclusion. LOL! You have gone completely
delusional... or, really, when it comes to her you ALWAYS have been. While it
is not good you obsess over me based on your feelings for her, it is good
anyone can read this thread and see you pushing such insanity. They might not
agree it is over you projecting... they know you troll me and lie to get my
attention. But, really, this was what got you so obsessed -- your infatuation
with ebot and your false belief I wanted to steal her from you. Two decades on
you have not been able to get past 2004.

[%]

Snit wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:35:04 PM MST, "%" wrote
> <kNCcnQmr5MT0SIj4...@giganews.com>:
>
>>>>
>>>> As you BOTH pointed out, she was the only person to be more obsessed with me
>>>> than you were. But she moved on. You have not.
>
>>> She pointed it out based on the fact that the word "Snit" was all over
>>> the place and that I addressed so many of your goofy thread. But this
>>> still has nothing to do with your goofy belief she was in "love" with
>>> you... that she was *yours*.
>>>
>> and they've been together ever since
>
> Snit, as quoted by Carroll:
> -----
> but your love for me is neither healthy or returned
> -----
>
> And from that he took it to mean I shared his infatuation with her.
>
> This was in 2004... and he still is going on about her and who she loved and
> who he imagines loved her.
>
>
>

he is what we in the business call , " self recognition disorder "

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:35:04 PM MST, "%" wrote
><kNCcnQmr5MT0SIj4...@giganews.com>:
>
>>>>
>>>> As you BOTH pointed out, she was the only person to be more obsessed with me
>>>> than you were. But she moved on. You have not.
>
>>> She pointed it out based on the fact that the word "Snit" was all over
>>> the place and that I addressed so many of your goofy thread. But this
>>> still has nothing to do with your goofy belief she was in "love" with
>>> you... that she was *yours*.
>>>
>> and they've been together ever since
>
> Snit, as quoted by Carroll:
> -----
> but your love for me is neither healthy or returned
> -----

A thing that has nothing to do with your goofy allegation that she was
in "love" with you and that you thought she was 'yours'.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:52:15 PM MST, "%" wrote
<bEadnVQHNtfyRIj4...@giganews.com>:

Absolutely. Never met anyone who is so lacking in self awareness.

[Steve Carroll]

AGAIN: This has nothing to do with your goofy allegation she was in
"love" with you and that you thought she was 'yours', it was bizarre.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:55:31 PM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4lnj$3r5a2$4...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

>>
>>
>> Snit, as quoted by Carroll:
>> -----
>> but your love for me is neither healthy or returned
>> -----

>> I wrote the exact opposite of your conclusion. LOL! You have gone completely
>> delusional... or, really, when it comes to her you ALWAYS have been. While it
>> is not good you obsess over me based on your feelings for her, it is good
>> anyone can read this thread and see you pushing such insanity. They might not
>> agree it is over you projecting... they know you troll me and lie to get my
>> attention. But, really, this was what got you so obsessed -- your infatuation
>> with ebot and your false belief I wanted to steal her from you. Two decades on
>> you have not been able to get past 2004.
>

> AGAIN: This has nothing to do with your goofy allegation she was in
> "love" with you and that you thought she was 'yours', it was bizarre.

Why not READ what has been written? BOTH of you noted she was the only one
more obsessed with me than you were... and you STILL troll me over blaming me
for somehow "stealing" her love away from you. I never wanted her attention...
it got so bad I got the police involved to get her to go away. You cannot get
past your infatuation from 2004... and your blaming of me.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:53:57 PM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4lkk$3r5a2$3...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 12:35:04 PM MST, "%" wrote
>> <kNCcnQmr5MT0SIj4...@giganews.com>:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As you BOTH pointed out, she was the only person to be more obsessed with me
>>>>> than you were. But she moved on. You have not.
>>
>>>> She pointed it out based on the fact that the word "Snit" was all over
>>>> the place and that I addressed so many of your goofy thread. But this
>>>> still has nothing to do with your goofy belief she was in "love" with
>>>> you... that she was *yours*.
>>>>
>>> and they've been together ever since
>>
>> Snit, as quoted by Carroll:
>> -----
>> but your love for me is neither healthy or returned
>> -----

>> And from that he took it to mean I shared his infatuation with her.

>> This was in 2004... and he still is going on about her and who she loved and
>> who he imagines loved her.
>

> A thing that has nothing to do with your goofy allegation that she was
> in "love" with you and that you thought she was 'yours'.

You mean my evidence for your delusion that I shared your infatuation with her
did not ALSO counter another of your lies. Gee, how weird. LOL!

Your focus has gotten worse... as it tends to when you are in a breakdown...
and when you are focusing on your lost love. It was literally almost two
decades ago -- why can't you move on?

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> AGAIN: This has nothing to do with your goofy allegation she was in
>> "love" with you and that you thought she was 'yours', it was bizarre.
>
> Why

Because your claim that she was in "love" with you is not relevant to
your claim (probably false for the reason I said) that it wasn't
reciprocated. And what you wrote to me made it clear you thought she was
'yours', which was just as goofy as the rest of your delusion.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip your lie)

>> A thing that has nothing to do with your goofy allegation that she was
>> in "love" with you and that you thought she was 'yours'.
>
> You mean

... you lied again, yes.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 1:01:34 PM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4m2u$3r5a2$7...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> AGAIN: This has nothing to do with your goofy allegation she was in
>>> "love" with you and that you thought she was 'yours', it was bizarre.
>>

>> Why not READ what has been written? BOTH of you noted she was the only one
>> more obsessed with me than you were... and you STILL troll me over blaming me
>> for somehow "stealing" her love away from you. I never wanted her attention...
>> it got so bad I got the police involved to get her to go away. You cannot get
>> past your infatuation from 2004... and your blaming of me.

> Because your claim that she was in "love" with you

Infatuation. You both noted she was the only one more obsessed with me than
you were (and are).

But your lie WAS that I shared your infatuation with her. Now you jump to your
other lie that I shared her feelings for me.

Why not try to stick to one of your lies at a time. You have so many you
confuse them with each other. LOL!

> is not relevant to
> your claim (probably false for the reason I said) that it wasn't
> reciprocated. And what you wrote to me made it clear you thought she was
> 'yours', which was just as goofy as the rest of your delusion.

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 1:02:56 PM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4m5f$3r5a2$8...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (snip your lie)
>
>>> A thing that has nothing to do with your goofy allegation that she was
>>> in "love" with you and that you thought she was 'yours'.
>>

>> You mean my evidence for your delusion that I shared your infatuation with her
>> did not ALSO counter another of your lies. Gee, how weird. LOL!

>> Your focus has gotten worse... as it tends to when you are in a breakdown...
>> and when you are focusing on your lost love. It was literally almost two
>> decades ago -- why can't you move on?

You ignored this for one of your bot-like insults.

In short: even you know you have again backed yourself into a corner with your
lies. You get yourself in worse spots when talking about your lost love. From
TWO DECADES ago. Move the hell on.

> ... you lied again, yes.

[Steve Carroll]

On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Because your claim that she was in "love" with you
>
> Infatuation.

You said "love".

[Snit]

On Sep 28, 2023 at 1:05:20 PM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<uf4m9v$3r5a2$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Because your claim that she was in "love" with you
>>

>> Infatuation. You both noted she was the only one more obsessed with me than
>> you were (and are).

>> But your lie WAS that I shared your infatuation with her. Now you jump to your
>> other lie that I shared her feelings for me.

>> Why not try to stick to one of your lies at a time. You have so many you
>> confuse them with each other. LOL!

You ignored this. You are in total melt down mode.

> You said "love".


>
>>> is not relevant to your claim (probably false for the reason I said)
>>> that it wasn't reciprocated. And what you wrote to me made it clear
>>> you thought she was 'yours', which was just as goofy as the rest of
>>> your delusion.

[pothead]

On 2023-09-28, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> news:uf2aq7$3anp9$1...@dont-email.me Wed, 27
> Sep 2023 22:36:55 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 2023-09-28, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> news:uf2aq7$3anp9$1...@dont-email.me Wed, 27
> Sep 2023 22:36:55 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
><snip>

>:) I've built a few of those kits when I was a kid. They were really bad as
> I recall about frequency drift and just generally not being very reliable.
> But, they did teach you the necessary basics concerning radio. If you used
> what they provided, you could even build yourself a little transmitter. Your
> dad probably did that too and experienced the same frequency drift as
> myself. You just couldn't keep the damn things 'locked' if you will.

Well they were tube based so yea, as they heated up they would drift.
He built the VTVM, which was great at the time because it had a very high input impedance so as not
to load the circuit being tested.
He also built an amateur radio transmitter, a signal generator and a grid dip meter.
Also some EICO kits he built as well. A transmitter if I remember correctly.
They were no where near the quality of the HeathKit products though


> Acid Core is very corrosive to electronics, the pcb itself, the traces, etc.
> Yes, indeed it is. I remember when we had a 'new' technician at a place I
> worked some years back. The job he was assigned shouldn't have been a big
> deal. It was to replace a busted power jack and three bad usb ports on a
> laptop. A Dell laptop at that. Somehow, acid core based solder was used in
> the repair. That new technician didn't bother to check anything and just
> assumed the solder he found with a fucking mini propane torch was the stuff
> he was supposed to use; instead of the stuff that was in the same damn
> toolbox as the 30watt pencil style soldering iron.
>
> How you fuck up like that I don't know for sure, but, I have seen the
> results of the work two months or so after the fact. It came back because
> one of the usb ports had stopped working. When I disassembled the computer
> on the bench to take a looksee at what the issue might be (we didn't use
> cheap parts/components and I had yet to see the first failure of a usb port
> that was replaced by the shop) thats when I got to see for myself just how
> bad acid core solder is. It had already eaten a hole thru the entire board;
> right where the work was done on that port. The other traces nearby all
> looked really bad; as in failure was going to take place at any moment, bad.
> It became obvious real fast that the entire work area was compromised; some
> severely, some not as bad (yet). The entire board was pulled from the laptop
> chassis and took an emergency grade bath in an ultra sonic cleaner; using
> some of the best cleaning solution I've ever seen or had the pleasure of
> working with; and, it comes from the UK. It's not made here, and it's pretty
> damn expensive but.. it's the best shit I know of, I still use it
> exclusively at my own shop. It's either dawn dish soap bath, or the blue
> stuff that has an odd smell to it. If I'm cleaning after a rework, it's
> usually the blue bath. if I'm cleaning the entire board for prep, it's
> usually dawn dish soap. Safe enough for wildlife, safe enough for pcb
> cleaning. I don't recommend leaving the shit soaking for a really long time,
> and I recommend rinsing with distilled water in either case.
>
> Due to the ultra sonic cleaning chemicals, I was able to neutralize the
> effects of the left over, acid core based flux and prevent further damage. I
> had to redo some traces and resolder a few joints to restablize the board,
> though. I also had to do a thorough job of cleaning out the hole it made.
> Carbon was present, and as I'm sure you know, carbon is conductive.

Yea. Carbon tracks are the bane of anyone repairing electronic equipment.


> When I first started, I remember my first experience with carbon residue on
> a radio I was working on. It had blown components in the power supply
> section; so I replaced them, but I didn't clean the board top or bottom
> beforehand. I mostly cleaned up after myself when I finished, though. When I
> attempted to turn the radio on, that's when I learned that you always clean
> up after blown components; they will leave carbon build up soot behind, and
> it's conductive. You *can* short out brand new components, along with other
> original components (hella show that one was) due to carbon residue being on
> the board, allowing electrical contact where it shouldn't be. Sigh.

Yep.
Can be very dangerous in high voltage tube circuits as well.


>> These days I use an X-Tronic soldering station which is a clone of the
>> Hakko units and an Anesty de-soldering station both of which work very
>> well. Of course I also have a couple of Weller pencil irons with various
>> wattage tips.
>
> Very nice gear. I do not have a desoldering station. I'm still using solder
> wick and hand pumps. I have a tendency though of doing my own wick to my
> specs; I find it makes things easier for me to be able to fine control
> solder removal on various components. I don't want to lift pads or traces, I
> just want the solder gone so the component is free.

I was same as you, a wick and a solder sucker but I've restored a few high end audio components and
the de-soldering station made the work easy.
It's an inexpensive one, but I can't take exception to it because it just works.
I think I could buy 2 or 3 of these for the price of one Hakko.


> I did use one of the Hakko solder sucking units though for a fairly decent
> sized recapping project. It's a nice tool, but, it's not exactly on the low
> end price wise. The last time I priced one, it was in the 200plus dollar
> range. if I had enough of the type of work that I was going to be doing alot
> of dip component harvesting or replacement, I could justify it.

Yea, it's expensive for sure.

> As it is though, they don't work that well with SMD (atleast not the one I
> was using) based components, and for the most part, aside from high
> current/high voltage; you won't run into DIP style components which is what
> the one I borrowed was for.

SMD is one skill I know nothing about.
I suppose at some point I need to learn it.

> I have an off brand digital soldering station that uses open source firmware.
> It's also open source hardware, but, I couldn't build it as inexpensively as
> I can buy it. rofl. It's a shinenow, a kseg clone. Which is actually a Hakko
> clone; and I'm sure it's not a licensed one. It accepts their tips, the
> wands, (Mine is T12 based), etc. It's a great little tool, Once I got it, I
> stopped using my pencil style irons for the most part. I tend to use a wedge
> tip and I typically do the majority of my solder work at 350 celcius.

There are a lot of off brand devices that function just as good as the expensive name brands.


> I've also got a couple of elenco style pencil irons, a couple of wellers (I
> have one of the third gen 40watt ones; which is quite the damn iron I must
> say). My first pencil style iron of any real significance was my elenco.
> It's literally sold to school systems in an effort to teach young persons
> the craft. it's a great iron, but a little pricey. I like it's ceramic coil
> system and it's tip holding design. You can also get conical tips or wedge
> tips for it. It ships with a couple of conical tips. I believe tip wise it
> can run some weller ones as well.

Weller is built like a tank.
Last forever.
I think they have been around since the 1930's, give or take.

> They also make a pretty decent full fledged, desktop size I'd say soldering
> station. I don't own one of those, I'm quite content with my shinenow. And
> if I was going to buy another one, no offense to elenco; but for the money
> and the features, I'd get another shinenow or a decent clone of it. Or, if
> the funds was unlimited, for sure, Hakko everything. It's not just the name,
> it's the earned and known for quality tools in the electronics industry.
>

Use what works best for you.

> I'd also upgrade my scope options to a Keysight four channel. And maybe a
> multi output adjustable variable bench power supply. I have one now that's
> good for upto 30 volts at ten amps, but it's a single output model. If I
> wanted to drive two circuits on dc isolated circuits, I'd have to run one or
> both on batteries, or get another one of these power supplies, or snag one
> of the 'now you're getting serious' multi output bench power supplies
> avalable by keysight and others. But, when you're buying that gear, you
> better have the work either already at the shop, or you know for sure it's
> coming because you can (I know I could!) easily spend thousands at keysight
> alone. Some of their scopes are tens of thousands.

I started with a Healthkit scope my dad built. I learned how to display Lissajous patterns to
determine phase and amplitude.
I then moved to a Tektronix surplus scope, various models.
These days I use a Siglent 1202-XE dual channel scope.
I love the thing!


> Right now, I have a few single channel scopes that came as a kit you
> assemble yourself. You can save more coin when ordering one if you forgo the
> chassis, and do all the soldering yourself during the assembly. I don't
> recommend that route for total n00bs to soldering because it's almost all
> surface mount and they aren't very large components. They are limited in max
> range, max sample speed, etc; but, they aren't a keysight either. :) These
> are my modern, CRT free scopes. I still have an ancient technics I think it
> is scope that's almost as big as a suitcase here someplace. Ironically, the
> baby scope kits are more versatile; except for their limited max voltage on
> the sample. The technics if I remember correctly could handle 1kv without
> requiring the probe adjustment kits that goes between your scope and your
> probes. Same thing you basically do when you need to get the voltage from
> the high side of the MOT or a flyback on a CRT based set. Obviously you
> can't sample it directly using your meter raw; The meter can't handle the
> high voltages which are present in those devices.
>
> They do the job I ask of them, but I have to do all the scale math myself;
> they don't really do much on that end on their own. I can use the limited
> plotting functions and get the voltage at whatever area of the wave form;
> but, it won't do any of the real math for me. It just gives raw data and
> you're on your own. It also has what I consider to be a low max incoming
> sample voltage. You can't use this particular scope on any circuit that will
> have over 50 volts present; atleast not directly tied to the scope. You can
> use the load configuration kits that go between your scope and probes when
> you need to sample a circuit you know, or suspect atleast has a voltage
> level which exceeds the capability of your scope. They're also a little on
> the sensitive side when triggering or showing the waveform, so it'll be a
> little jagged sometimes. They aren't in any way shielded, so if you have
> switch mode power supplies in very close proximity of it's single channel
> BNC connector you could very well see it represented on the screen. [g]
>
> max frequency these little shits can sample is over a megahertz, so limited
> there as well but still well withen usability for that range. Unless you're
> working on high power high frequency radio transmitter circuits, they work
> well. If you are dealing with such circuits though, obviously you'd want a
> much more advanced scope. And naturally, you'll fork a lot more coin than I
> did for one of these kit scopes [g]
>
> I've also got a component identifier kit. And it's pretty damn accurate for
> most components. Not only will it mostly properly identify a component,
> it'll give you the pin configuration, any resistance/capacitance detected,
> etc. It's quite spiffy. It isn't, afaik, able to do anything with an actual
> IC though. I can't stick a 555 on it and it tell me what's attached. But, if
> I have a capacitor, a transistor (including most fets and igbt!) it'll fork
> me it's internal values and the correct pin layout. yes, it knows the
> difference between base/gate source/drain, collector, emitter pins. It can
> also tell you if you've blown the fet/bjt because as you know, a blown fet
> is no different than a big fat resistor in most fail scenarios that don't
> involve any casing damage or smoke visibly being released from the fet.
>
> I can even use it for resistors. [g] so I don't have to bother with the
> color code, or use a meter; the tester can do that all for me. It can also
> run cap tests. So, again, useful thing to have in your bench tool set.

I have a couple component testers that I built from kits.
Transistor, Capacitor, etc.
It's amazing how accurate they are and they didn't cost much either.
The kits were essentially, assembling the unit from major parts.
No component level work needed to be done.



> I'm also a big fan of SRA soldering products. Especially the solder removal
> alloy. Have you worked with this stuff? You use a very small amount of it
> and melt it into existing solder. The moment it's bonded, that solder will
> remain completely liquid state for several seconds after you take the iron
> off it. Matter of fact, you can take a plastic wedge and just give the
> solder a shove and it'll roll up into a little ball and just fall right off
> the board, taking nothing else you didn't want taken with it. You can roll
> it back and forth with your iron, or a pencil or scraping tool; whatever you
> want to use. You have nearly ten seconds of it remaining in liquid state
> before you have to apply heat to do it again, so plenty of time to get the
> component free.

I have not used SRA products.
Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.


> You do have to perform extra cleanup before you install new components and
> apply fresh solder though. As this alloy isn't solder, it's designed to make
> SMD work quick and painless; no more heat gun to remove a square surface
> mount, say, micro processor on a game console. Just apply this stuff on each
> side, and the compo>
>> On 2023-09-27, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>> Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
>>> news:ueho3a$3jaki$1...@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Thu, 21 Sep 2023
>>> 15:39:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>>> I saw him offer to help you, I never saw him 'give his word' that he'd
>>>> do so amidst you 'doing what you do' and I don't expect to see you do
>>>> what you've often claimed you do, "support" you allegations.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>>> Didn't he ask to see images of your tooling early on? No matter, if
>>>> you were interested you'd have just posted them instead of making up a
>>>> BS story about how he 'gave his word'.
>>>
>>> I did, months ago now, yes. I can tell now from the pic he shared that
>>> he doesn't even know what an iron actually is, he included not one, but
>>> two fucking engravers in the damn pic. WTF does he think we would be
>>> using either of those for?
>>>
>
> [snip]
>
>>> The repair would involve exchanging pictures, possibly video as well on
>>> occasion as was necessary. Most importantly though, my instructions
>>> would need to be followed to the fucking letter and if he's not able to
>>> do so, for whatever reason, I'd need to know as soon as possible,
>>> before we could continue to the next step. Maybe i'll remove him from
>>> the scoring system in a month or two and check on the progress of his
>>> ability to comprehend what he reads and revisit this subject.
>>>
>>
>> When I was growing up in the 60's, my dad built a boatload of HeathKit
>> equipment. Every manual had written in huge type, not to use acid core
>> solder because it is corrosive to electronics. I still have a few Kester
>> rolls of rosin core solder from my dad. I also have his Weller soldering
>> gun, the one with the lights on it.
>
>:) I've built a few of those kits when I was a kid. They were really bad as
> I recall about frequency drift and just generally not being very reliable.
> But, they did teach you the necessary basics concerning radio. If you used
> what they provided, you could even build yourself a little transmitter. Your
> dad probably did that too and experienced the same frequency drift as
> myself. You just couldn't keep the damn things 'locked' if you will.
>
> Acid Core is very corrosive to electronics, the pcb itself, the traces, etc.
> Yes, indeed it is. I remember when we had a 'new' technician at a place I
> worked some years back. The job he was assigned shouldn't have been a big
> deal. It was to replace a busted power jack and three bad usb ports on a
> laptop. A Dell laptop at that. Somehow, acid core based solder was used in
> the repair. That new technician didn't bother to check anything and just
> assumed the solder he found with a fucking mini propane torch was the stuff
> he was supposed to use; instead of the stuff that was in the same damn
> toolbox as the 30watt pencil style soldering iron.
>
> How you fuck up like that I don't know for sure, but, I have seen the
> results of the work two months or so after the fact. It came back because
> one of the usb ports had stopped working. When I disassembled the computer
> on the bench to take a looksee at what the issue might be (we didn't use
> cheap parts/components and I had yet to see the first failure of a usb port
> that was replaced by the shop) thats when I got to see for myself just how
> bad acid core solder is. It had already eaten a hole thru the entire board;
> right where the work was done on that port. The other traces nearby all
> looked really bad; as in failure was going to take place at any moment, bad.
> It became obvious real fast that the entire work area was compromised; some
> severely, some not as bad (yet). The entire board was pulled from the laptop
> chassis and took an emergency grade bath in an ultra sonic cleaner; using
> some of the best cleaning solution I've ever seen or had the pleasure of
> working with; and, it comes from the UK. It's not made here, and it's pretty
> damn expensive but.. it's the best shit I know of, I still use it
> exclusively at my own shop. It's either dawn dish soap bath, or the blue
> stuff that has an odd smell to it. If I'm cleaning after a rework, it's
> usually the blue bath. if I'm cleaning the entire board for prep, it's
> usually dawn dish soap. Safe enough for wildlife, safe enough for pcb
> cleaning. I don't recommend leaving the shit soaking for a really long time,
> and I recommend rinsing with distilled water in either case.
>
> Due to the ultra sonic cleaning chemicals, I was able to neutralize the
> effects of the left over, acid core based flux and prevent further damage. I
> had to redo some traces and resolder a few joints to restablize the board,
> though. I also had to do a thorough job of cleaning out the hole it made.
> Carbon was present, and as I'm sure you know, carbon is conductive.
>
> When I first started, I remember my first experience with carbon residue on
> a radio I was working on. It had blown components in the power supply
> section; so I replaced them, but I didn't clean the board top or bottom
> beforehand. I mostly cleaned up after myself when I finished, though. When I
> attempted to turn the radio on, that's when I learned that you always clean
> up after blown components; they will leave carbon build up soot behind, and
> it's conductive. You *can* short out brand new components, along with other
> original components (hella show that one was) due to carbon residue being on
> the board, allowing electrical contact where it shouldn't be. Sigh.
>
>> These days I use an X-Tronic soldering station which is a clone of the
>> Hakko units and an Anesty de-soldering station both of which work very
>> well. Of course I also have a couple of Weller pencil irons with various
>> wattage tips.
>
> Very nice gear. I do not have a desoldering station. I'm still using solder
> wick and hand pumps. I have a tendency though of doing my own wick to my
> specs; I find it makes things easier for me to be able to fine control
> solder removal on various components. I don't want to lift pads or traces, I
> just want the solder gone so the component is free.
>
> I did use one of the Hakko solder sucking units though for a fairly decent
> sized recapping project. It's a nice tool, but, it's not exactly on the low
> end price wise. The last time I priced one, it was in the 200plus dollar
> range. if I had enough of the type of work that I was going to be doing alot
> of dip component harvesting or replacement, I could justify it.
>
> As it is though, they don't work that well with SMD (atleast not the one I
> was using) based components, and for the most part, aside from high
> current/high voltage; you won't run into DIP style components which is what
> the one I borrowed was for.
>
> I have an offbrand digital soldering station that uses open source firmware.
> It's also open source hardware, but, I couldn't build it as inexpensively as
> I can buy it. rofl. It's a shinenow, a kseg clone. Which is actually a Hakko
> clone; and I'm sure it's not a licensed one. It accepts their tips, the
> wands, (Mine is T12 based), etc. It's a great little tool, Once I got it, I
> stopped using my pencil style irons for the most part. I tend to use a wedge
> tip and I typically do the majority of my solder work at 350 celcius.
>
> I've also got a couple of elenco style pencil irons, a couple of wellers (I
> have one of the third gen 40watt ones; which is quite the damn iron I must
> say). My first pencil style iron of any real significance was my elenco.
> It's literally sold to school systems in an effort to teach young persons
> the craft. it's a great iron, but a little pricey. I like it's ceramic coil
> system and it's tip holding design. You can also get conical tips or wedge
> tips for it. It ships with a couple of conical tips. I believe tip wise it
> can run some weller ones as well.
>
> They also make a pretty decent full fledged, desktop size I'd say soldering
> station. I don't own one of those, I'm quite content with my shinenow. And
> if I was going to buy another one, no offense to elenco; but for the money
> and the features, I'd get another shinenow or a decent clone of it. Or, if
> the funds was unlimited, for sure, Hakko everything. It's not just the name,
> it's the earned and known for quality tools in the electronics industry.
>
> I'd also upgrade my scope options to a Keysight four channel. And maybe a
> multi output adjustable variable bench power supply. I have one now that's
> good for upto 30 volts at ten amps, but it's a single output model. If I
> wanted to drive two circuits on dc isolated circuits, I'd have to run one or
> both on batteries, or get another one of these power supplies, or snag one
> of the 'now you're getting serious' multi output bench power supplies
> avalable by keysight and others. But, when you're buying that gear, you
> better have the work either already at the shop, or you know for sure it's
> coming because you can (I know I could!) easily spend thousands at keysight
> alone. Some of their scopes are tens of thousands.
>
> Right now, I have a few single channel scopes that came as a kit you
> assemble yourself. You can save more coin when ordering one if you forgo the
> chassis, and do all the soldering yourself during the assembly. I don't
> recommend that route for total n00bs to soldering because it's almost all
> surface mount and they aren't very large components. They are limited in max
> range, max sample speed, etc; but, they aren't a keysight either. :) These
> are my modern, CRT free scopes. I still have an ancient technics I think it
> is scope that's almost as big as a suitcase here someplace. Ironically, the
> baby scope kits are more versatile; except for their limited max voltage on
> the sample. The technics if I remember correctly could handle 1kv without
> requiring the probe adjustment kits that goes between your scope and your
> probes. Same thing you basically do when you need to get the voltage from
> the high side of the MOT or a flyback on a CRT based set. Obviously you
> can't sample it directly using your meter raw; The meter can't handle the
> high voltages which are present in those devices.
>
> They do the job I ask of them, but I have to do all the scale math myself;
> they don't really do much on that end on their own. I can use the limited
> plotting functions and get the voltage at whatever area of the wave form;
> but, it won't do any of the real math for me. It just gives raw data and
> you're on your own. It also has what I consider to be a low max incoming
> sample voltage. You can't use this particular scope on any circuit that will
> have over 50 volts present; atleast not directly tied to the scope. You can
> use the load configuration kits that go between your scope and probes when
> you need to sample a circuit you know, or suspect atleast has a voltage
> level which exceeds the capability of your scope. They're also a little on
> the sensitive side when triggering or showing the waveform, so it'll be a
> little jagged sometimes. They aren't in any way shielded, so if you have
> switch mode power supplies in very close proximity of it's single channel
> BNC connector you could very well see it represented on the screen. [g]
>
> max frequency these little shits can sample is over a megahertz, so limited
> there as well but still well withen usability for that range. Unless you're
> working on high power high frequency radio transmitter circuits, they work
> well. If you are dealing with such circuits though, obviously you'd want a
> much more advanced scope. And naturally, you'll fork a lot more coin than I
> did for one of these kit scopes [g]
>
> I've also got a component identifier kit. And it's pretty damn accurate for
> most components. Not only will it mostly properly identify a component,
> it'll give you the pin configuration, any resistance/capacitance detected,
> etc. It's quite spiffy. It isn't, afaik, able to do anything with an actual
> IC though. I can't stick a 555 on it and it tell me what's attached. But, if
> I have a capacitor, a transistor (including most fets and igbt!) it'll fork
> me it's internal values and the correct pin layout. yes, it knows the
> difference between base/gate source/drain, collector, emitter pins. It can
> also tell you if you've blown the fet/bjt because as you know, a blown fet
> is no different than a big fat resistor in most fail scenarios that don't
> involve any casing damage or smoke visibly being released from the fet.
>
> I can even use it for resistors. [g] so I don't have to bother with the
> color code, or use a meter; the tester can do that all for me. It can also
> run cap tests. So, again, useful thing to have in your bench tool set.
>
> I'm also a big fan of SRA soldering products. Especially the solder removal
> alloy. Have you worked with this stuff? You use a very small amount of it
> and melt it into existing solder. The moment it's bonded, that solder will
> remain completely liquid state for several seconds after you take the iron
> off it. Matter of fact, you can take a plastic wedge and just give the
> solder a shove and it'll roll up into a little ball and just fall right off
> the board, taking nothing else you didn't want taken with it. You can roll
> it back and forth with your iron, or a pencil or scraping tool; whatever you
> want to use. You have nearly ten seconds of it remaining in liquid state
> before you have to apply heat to do it again, so plenty of time to get the
> component free.
>
> You do have to perform extra cleanup before you install new components and
> apply fresh solder though. As this alloy isn't solder, it's designed to make
> SMD work quick and painless; no more heat gun to remove a square surface
> mount, say, micro processor on a game console. Just apply this stuff on each
> side, and the component will lift off the board within seconds, without
> damaging a single trace or pad.
>
> Long post, my apologies. Soldering/electronics a subject I'm passionate
> about, if you couldn't tell already.
>nent will lift off the board within seconds, without
> damaging a single trace or pad.

Destroying the pads is the biggest noob mistake.
I've worked on a few units that were hack jobs and it was not pleasant.
lol !

> Long post, my apologies. Soldering/electronics a subject I'm passionate
> about, if you couldn't tell already.

So I see !
Get ready for snit to attack and claim you, and probably me as well, don't know what we are talking
about!
He needs to stay away from technology and stick to building model boats with tons of glue on them.


--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[Snit Michael Glasser]

Too much glue for you, Kelly Phillips.

Having to suffer the use of Malwarebytes is not what most want to do.

I bet Kelly Phillips thinks my life was perfect. Kelly Phillips is the
only person I know who had a 'demo site' intended to embarrass me that
quickly turned into broken links with question marks where pics/vids
used to be, and if you hovered over it, you would be reading about a
peer reviewed paper that was removed for all time. He inconveniences
multiple groups of people who are just bystanders, but that's a stuck
up jerk for you. What others care about isn't a factor.

The herd members value the LCD more than they do productivity.

--
"You'll notice how quickly he loses interest when everything is about
him. He clearly wants the attention"
Steve Carroll, making the dumbest comment ever uttered.

[pothead]

On 2023-09-28, Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:
> On 2023-09-28, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid.uk> wrote:

>> On 28/09/2023 16:12, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-27, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>>

>>>> What reasonable person who wants help from another would create a thread of
>>>> bullshit to slime and lie about them? I know snit isn't reasonable, but,
>>>> this is bullshit.
>>>
>>> I have no logical reason for believing it... but, were this to happen, I
>>> was hoping to see something positive involving him. Given that I'm well
>>> aware he rarely does anything without his same motive, from the
>>> beginning I reached the conclusion you have here. Even after ~20 years
>>> of watching it, I still find it *very* odd that he believes he can write
>>> 'so and so said X' and actually expect anyone to 'buy' whatever BS he's
>>> try to 'sell'. Forget about his propensity to lie as ridiculously as he
>>> does, one only need consider his poor reading comprehension to
>>> rightfully call his 'assessment' of what someone "said" into question.
>>
>> I've now posted the evidence of exactly who OUTED "Gremlin" - another
>> sock of Dustin Cook.
>>
>> You must be aware by now that Dustin was the author of real, LIVE,
>> viruses - which he then released onto the Internet. His action harmed
>> folk across the globe. Don't you find such action totally abhorrent?
>>
>> He STILL proud of what he did. ASK HIM!
>
> What would I ask him that he hasn't already covered? Glasser's lie that
> he's a functionally illiterate fraud? Glasser's lie that he's more
> sizzle than steak? Glasser's lie that he's a fall guy? Glasser's 'gave
> his word' lie? Notice the theme here that concerns *me*? And, yes, I
> realize your attempt at putting a spin on this red herring that failed
> to obscure Glasser's bullsh*t. No 'sale' for you!

Gremlin has forgotten more than snit has ever known.
Snit's accusations against Gremlin just show what a real POS snit really is.

[pothead]

On 2023-09-28, Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> wrote:

> On 2023-09-28, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 2023 at 8:29:12 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>><cZgRM.21508$E_d1...@fx04.iad>:

>>
>>> On 28/09/2023 16:12, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-27, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What reasonable person who wants help from another would create a thread of

>>>>> bullshit to slime and lie about them? I know snit isOn 2023-09-28, Gremlin <nob...@haph.org>

> side, and the component will lift off the board within seconds, without
> damaging a single trace or pad.

Destroying the pads is the biggest noob mistake.
I've worked on a few units that were hack jobs and it was not pleasant.
lol !

> Long post, my apologies. Soldering/electronics a subject I'm passionate
> about, if you couldn't tell already.

So I see !
Get ready for snit to attack and claim you, and probably me as well, don't know what we are talking
about!

He needs to stay away from technology and stick to model boats with tons of glue on them.

--
Charlie Glock
"To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens"
-- Adolf Hitler

n't reasonable, but,
>>>>> this is bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> I have no logical reason for believing it... but, were this to happen, I
>>>> was hoping to see something positive involving him. Given that I'm well
>>>> aware he rarely does anything without his same motive, from the
>>>> beginning I reached the conclusion you have here. Even after ~20 years
>>>> of watching it, I still find it *very* odd that he believes he can write
>>>> 'so and so said X' and actually expect anyone to 'buy' whatever BS he's
>>>> try to 'sell'. Forget about his propensity to lie as ridiculously as he
>>>> does, one only need consider his poor reading comprehension to
>>>> rightfully call his 'assessment' of what someone "said" into question.
>>>
>>> I've now posted the evidence of exactly who OUTED "Gremlin" - another
>>> sock of Dustin Cook.
>>>
>>> You must be aware by now that Dustin was the author of real, LIVE,
>>> viruses - which he then released onto the Internet. His action harmed
>>> folk across the globe. Don't you find such action totally abhorrent?
>>>
>>> He STILL proud of what he did. ASK HIM!
>>

>> As long as Carroll does not have a delusion about Gremlin "stealing" his
>> girlfriend they will be good with each other. Carroll had that delusion about
>> me in 2004... and he has yet to move on.
>
> "Hey, Steve, if you keep kissing Elizabot's ass maybe she will give up
> on me and you two can finally have the relationship you have always
> wanted with her. Or him. Or whatever s/h/it is." - Michael Glasser
>
> You clearly thought of her as *yours* so any delusions belong to you.
>

Snit has resorted to blowing massive amounts of smoke in order to confuse the mess he got himself
into.
Snit is performing his usual tossing pasta at the wall to see what sticks routine.
He isn't fooling anyone.
Even DB is realizing that what is said about snit, by hundreds if not thousands of people is mostly
true.