Foreign CS sophomore wants USA internship!!
TwoFistedJesus
wondering how he, as a Phillipine Islands sophomore CS major yet, could
finagle an internship in the USA. He's getting what fer. Feel free to
jump right into teh Slashdot thread.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/12/29/163224&mode=thread
Here is the origonal post and one of the replies:
Industry or Research Internship?
Posted by Cliff on Friday December 29, @12:59PM
from the tough-decisions dept.
sachachua asks: "I'm a sophomore taking up computer science, and since
I'll be graduating pretty soon - March 2003 - I'm trying to figure out
what to do in order to better prepare myself for the future. I'm really
into programming, and I'm considering going for a practicum or an
internship in some software company that can really help me develop my
potential. I do a lot of web work with PHP, Java and Perl, and I pick
up new languages easily. =) However, it's a bit difficult because I'm
way over in the Philippines, which is a Third World country. Since it's
so far away, my campus doesn't get visited by all those companies that
court other graduates. And even if they do manage to find me, there are
all sorts of visas to arrange. But the international exposure will be
really great, and I want to meet other geeks. =)"
"I'm also really interested in computer science education and I want to
do research. I'm thinking about going for graduate and post-graduate
education, and I've been looking for professors who have done research
in CS Ed. It's still kinda challenging because education abroad is
expensive, so I have to have a good enough record for financial aid. I
want to be a teacher, and I want to improve the way computer science is
being taught. I know it's _really_ difficult, especially since I'm just
a student right now, but if I work hard at it I know I'll find a way.
What advice would you have for a student who's at one of those
crossroads? Should I go for the internship, do well in the industry,
and make something that lots of people can use? Should I look for an
internship at a university that does research in computer science
education, and help develop the next generation of whiz kids? What are
some other choices I might not know of yet?"
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You are not welcome ... (Score:1)
by cryofan2 on Friday December 29, @02:04PM EST (#88)
(User #243723 Info)
...in my place of business...unles you pay me for the right to do
business here.
That's right; my ancestors made this country what it is--a place where
investors want to invest their money; it's a stable country, with a
great infrastructure, and the best place in the world for longterm
investment--we made it that way.
And because of that, we have jobs while you do not. We American
citizens are all shareholders in America, and this is where we make our
living; this is our place of business, bought and paid for with the
blood and sacrifice of our ancestors; we and we alone are entitled to
reap the benefits deriving therefrom.
Now if want to bring something to the table so that you might be able
to do business here too, then you had better bring a lot, because when
you come here to do business, you take business from me
Yes, some of us AMerican citizen-shareholders DO profit when non-
shareholders (foreigners) are allowed in to work; these people, unlike
the majority of American citizen-shareholders, do not work to supply
goods from their own brains and backs, instead they reap the fruits of
others' labors---they have the capital to buy labor, or they may work
in a managerial or recruiting capacity, where they have to much to gain
by bringing in labor from outside. What do they gain? Lower prices for
labor. The operative words here are BUSINESS and MONEY.
Those who exploit others (and that's all right--everyone has to make a
living) have much money (they have the capital!) and so they BUY
advertising and therefore support the mass media. Not surprisingly, teh
mass media often sees things their way, and so we have it that those
American citizen-shareholders who oppose the immigration of non-citizen-
shareholders (foreigners) are painted as racists. It's an old story,
and its name is Propaganda....
Look, son, I don't give a fat, happy damm what color your skin is, but
if you are going to come into my place of business and compete with me,
you need to "buy in". How about you bring a legitimate PhD with you
when you come knocking on our door....
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paul hanrahan
As a white american male I am part of the only class of unprotected worker
in America under affirmative action laws. Please find a job in your own area
of the world. My income as a programming professional has dropped steadily
since 1994. I am convinced it's in part because the United States hosts
professionals from other nations.
I worked with Phillipnes programmers at LTV steele. As a class of workers
they were well mannered, intelligent, well educated and competent they
displace workers like myself. My father fought in the Pacific during WW II.
Now I have to give up my job also. My family, speaking in a general sense,
has made enough sacrafices on your family's behalf already.
After the young phillipino's were done most of them went home. LTV
yesterday, according to the front page of the Cleveland Plain Dealer,
"Begged for it's life." Thousands of native (not indigenous) americans were
about to be thrown out on the street. They were saved by Chase Manhattan
bank. The consulting firms bled LTV of tens of millions of dollars and then
the foreign workers went home.
Go away. We don't need your help.
Regards,
Paul Hanrahan
"TwoFistedJesus" <cr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Reggie
and non-citizen, only supply and demand. As much as I feel for you Paul,
this country has always depended on foreign labor whenever there's been a
need and I don't foresee the law makers and the wealthy caring about our
measly salaries.
The industrial revolution employed many Asian immigrants to do the grueling
work of building the infrastructure of this country is a good illustration
of how this country depends on foreign labor. Asians were brought here for
the manpower needed to build the railroad system. I believe in the 70's and
80's, Nurses and Doctors were in demand and many Filipino professionals came
to this country to provide healthcare services which this country sorely
needed. An extreme case study would be the slavery which this country was
founded upon and was perpetuated for 380 or so years. I suppose that type
of foreign labor didn't bother Americans back then. My point is that this
type of thing will always happen in this form of socioeconomic system.
I believe that two classes of people are supposed to reap the benefits, they
are the real capitalists who have real wealth and the visionaries who
revolutionize how we all live. All we can all do is hunker-down, be
cognizant of how the system works so that we don't lose sight of what is
important, God, family, food and shelter. If you have the first two, you'll
never have to worry about the latter. That I think is the real wealth that
America provides us all.
paul hanrahan wrote in message ...
paul hanrahan
Yes, we live in a democratic society also. As much as I feel for you I and
many others are politically active. Bill Clinton is out of office and
things will change. You shed a tear for me and I'll shed a tear for you.
God requires only that we fight a good fight and run a good race, not that
we are perfect.
You don't try to sell me your used car and I won't try to sell you mine.
Please, if you are going to feign pity waste the effort on someone else. I
prefer honesty over pity.
Regards,
"TwoFistedJesus" <cr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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irn...@my-deja.com
rendering locals jobless, what is wrong in foreign workers returning
the favor to some Americans via H1-B?
In article <92jgka$dn4$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
BDS
> When American corporations are allowed to sell their products overseas,
> rendering locals jobless, what is wrong in foreign workers returning
> the favor to some Americans via H1-B?
>
Don't confuse the issues. There is nothing wrong with foreigners coming to
the US to work.
The problem is with the H1-B program itself. It is defacto indentured
servitude. This is very attractive to employers. They don't have ot worry
about offering raises or retrining new people every few months -- they have
a cheap H1-B locked in for 6 years!
In a true capitalistic free-market system, the corporations would hire the
best people that they could afford and do whatever it took to keep those
people. With the current H1-B system, they are hiring artificially cheaper,
indentured workers. H1-B circumvents the free market.
Give talented people green cards and let them into the free market!
Unfortunately, the same people that pushed for H1-B are dead set against
this, for obvious greedy reasons.
-Barry
paul hanrahan
Being Irish American I've researched indentured servitude. Some of "us"
were introduced to the U.S. as indentured servants. In exchange for passage
to the U.S. "we" gave up seven years of our lives as slaves ... no wage.
In fact there was a guarantee that if an Irish identured servant died a
replacement would be supplied. "We" were considered of less value than
African-Americans who were paid for on the block. So if you want to be
indentured servants maybe you should try the real thing.
Regards,
Paul E. A. O'Hanrahan
"BDS" <n...@this.time> wrote in message
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paul hanrahan
Selling over seas putting others out of work. In other words you have a
competitive product made in your own country (speaking euphamistically of
course). Why not just raise tariffs and force the competition (U.S.) out?
The answer is that you are in a process of negotiation. There is something
you want from the U.S. in return for allowing the U.S. to trade. Before you
can raise the tariffs and force out the competition you have to figure out
what that other thing is that you want from the U.S. and then produce it
some other way.
So? What is it that you want? The right to import cheap labor to the U.S.?
Regards,
Paul Hanrahan
<irn...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:93228l$agq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
A Student
"Reggie" <rfd...@grometlaw.com> wrote:
> We live in a capitalist society which does not differentiate between
citizen
> and non-citizen, only supply and demand.
Those with much would have you think so, yes, but we OWN this country.
And we can run it for our own benefit.
>As much as I feel for you Paul,
> this country has always depended on foreign labor whenever there's
been a
> need and I don't foresee the law makers and the wealthy caring about
our
> measly salaries.
Just because situation X exists up until time=Y, does not mean that
situation X willl necessarily exist at time=Y + k.
>
> The industrial revolution employed many Asian immigrants to do the
grueling
> work of building the infrastructure of this country is a good
illustration
> of how this country depends on foreign labor. Asians were brought
here for
> the manpower needed to build the railroad system.
Whatever. I say this country is ours, and run it to maximize our own
benefit. We used to have slaves in this country, too.
> I believe in the 70's and
> 80's, Nurses and Doctors were in demand and many Filipino
professionals came
> to this country to provide healthcare services which this country
sorely
> needed. An extreme case study would be the slavery which this
country was
> founded upon and was perpetuated for 380 or so years. I suppose that
type
> of foreign labor didn't bother Americans back then. My point is that
this
> type of thing will always happen in this form of socioeconomic system.
>
> I believe that two classes of people are supposed to reap the
benefits, they
> are the real capitalists who have real wealth and the visionaries who
> revolutionize how we all live. All we can all do is hunker-down, be
> cognizant of how the system works so that we don't lose sight of what
is
> important, God, family, food and shelter. If you have the first two,
you'll
> never have to worry about the latter. That I think is the real
wealth that
> America provides us all.
>
PleaseSay something for me: "Baa, Baa, Baa"
Yes, I thought so, another speciemn of homo sapiens sheeple....
st1960
> rendering locals jobless, what is wrong in foreign workers returning
> the favor to some Americans via H1-B?
Nope.
I suggest you turn on the clue-o-meter and focus it on the following few
clues:
1. it is rare that US products render locals jobless. The US does not export
as much as one would think, in particular in consumer products. Shit, would
the US have anything like the trade deficit it does if that were not the
case?
2. in the rare event that (1) is true, or even not, foreign trade barriers
come up quicker than one can say (h1b).
3. time and time again, the foreign markets have demonstrated that they
prefer non-domestic products... More so for status symbols than anything.
Witness American liquor, cigarettes, clothes, shoes, etc. Thus, if one MUST
have the pair of jeans, nothing else will do, be it Paris, France, or
Madras, India.
st
paul hanrahan
So you contendt that it isn't a tit for tat relationship. Exporting cheap
labor in return for lower tariffs for example but simply competition. You
even substantiate this by pointing out the trade deficit. My pride as a
U.S. citizen makes me want to embrace your argument and the way you make
your point is appealing.
The more I think about it the more I lean in the direction of multi national
corporations wanting in-expensive labor pools. In all honesty the young
H-1B's I worked with had a good work ethic and were competent and well
educated but in-experienced. So the errors I had to clean up for them was
not for a lack of ability or training.
Regards,
Paul E. A. Hanrahan
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