Sugien fails to credit Tim Hodgkison in his newspaper column... :o(
br13n
about the physical pain that you suffer Sugs. But don't in turn
indulge in another kind of "pain", namely that of plagiarism!
If you must cut and paste other peoples' wordings, at least you could
credit them accordingly.
I refer to what Tim Hodgkinson at the University of Lethbridge, said
about his reecent "research" project!
Read the 9th message in the following acv thread from last month -
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=3f8c3e96675a65c3&start=0&ic=1
And soak up Tim's general thrust and in particular -
<quote>
we have now entered an era of manufactured threats in viruses, a
relevant historical perspective would be the introduction of mass
manufactured guns in the late 18th century.
</quote>
Who's other acv postings might similarly in the future be "used" as if
your own, Sugs?
Brien
PS. Btw, just as well Benny and I claimed copyright over our
e-Interview wrt WINUX and VMDP.
Nina Irwin
wrote:
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Sugien could be putting
that newspaper in one heck of a lot of trouble if he continues to
plagiarize.
Nina Irwin
ni...@cyber-tech-computer.com
The Night Stalker
Not only a script kiddie, but a thief to boot.
Stalker Steve, MCP
PS, I notice there isnt a reply yet from Paul.... <crickets chirping in the
background>.... nope, nothing yet...
Sugien
"br13n" <brien....@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:3adca168...@news.paradise.net.nz...
This was an oversight, I have contacted the author , and my publisher
between all the people (my wife, son , daughter and son-in-law) I had
checking and re checking each draft of my column for grammatical and
spelling errors somehow the line crediting him was omitted. I had fully
intended to add at the bottom of the article the line: "Thanks to Tim
Hodgkinson for his post to the news group ACV, from which I used several
lines in this article"
I just was so paranoid about someone from here finding and jumping on a
spelling or grammatical error, that I kept sending each (my wife, son ,
daughter and son-in-law) a rough draft over the LAN to them (well in the
case of my wife I printed it out for here to correct and then I entered the
corrections into the computer because she doesn't like computers) they would
make spelling corrections that my spelling checker missed because of my
spelling it so off the mark the spelling checker could not find it, they
would also make suggestions as to grammatical changes.
I am still waiting to hear back from the author of the post as to what
he would like for me to do; because I am completely willing to do what every
it is (within reason) he likes for me to atone for the omission and error in
not giving him credit, up to and including any or all of the following, a
formal apology , here, in print in my column , and via email
I am not sure as to how the copyright laws pertain to a post in a
Usenet news group; because it is more like something someone would write on
a card and put on a bulletin board in Kroger's or something. Even if it is
not copyrightable and even if my using the lines would not be legally
considered
plagiarism, I would none the less still want to give someone credit for
anything they wrote, even if not giving them credit was legal because of it
not being copyrightable, in my mind it would be morally reprehensible not to
give them credit even if it was not required by law.
I know most here will not believe it; but I found this error of
omission myself earlier (about 3-4 hours ago) that is why I just now seen
this post. I have since that time been trying to contact the author of the
post and have been writing a letter to my editor explaining it to him, and I
answered a few emails before coming back to read the posts here and found
this post. I tell you one thing it was weird to go through all that and
then to open up ACV and see the exact thin I was working on.
You will probably not have to worry about my column; because more then
likely after my editor reads my email explaining the omission and telling
him that if he no longer wants to run my column that I would understand; but
that I would at least like the opportunity to apologize to the author of the
lines I failed to credit to via the paper, and be able to do the apology in
print, and that if he dropped the column and refused to run the apology,
that I would then pay for space in the paper for a formal apology.
No mater what any here think, locally I am regarded as one of the most
honorable men around these parts, who's word is as good as gold. I give out
my word very begrungly and have never broken my word in my entire life. I
have borrowed and then paid back multiple thousands of dollars in the past
and all the person that lent me the money required was my word and a hand
shake; because they said then knew I would rather sell everything I own at a
loss and pay back the loan rather then break my word, and that a contract
could be broken but they knew I would never break my word once given.
What some here forget sometimes is that what goes on here in Usenet
and what goes on in real life are to entirely different things. What
someone would do without much thought on Usenet, they would never even
consider doing in real life. So what ever else you may think of me know
this one thing, I did not obmit giving Tim credit by design is was an honest
mistake that I sincerly regret.
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The Night Stalker
>
> This was an oversight, I have contacted the author , and my publisher
> between all the people (my wife, son , daughter and son-in-law) I had
> checking and re checking each draft of my column for grammatical and
> spelling errors somehow the line crediting him was omitted. I had fully
> intended to add at the bottom of the article the line: "Thanks to Tim
> Hodgkinson for his post to the news group ACV, from which I used several
> lines in this article"
BS..more lies You are predictable like the tides. So which is it? Was it
omitted by accident or did you fully intend to add the line? You are
telling two stories again. Since you would have been quoting him, you would
have indicated such in the body of the article.
>
> I just was so paranoid about someone from here finding and jumping on
a
> spelling or grammatical error,
Yeah, its our fault.
that I kept sending each (my wife, son ,
> daughter and son-in-law) a rough draft over the LAN to them (well in the
> case of my wife I printed it out for here to correct and then I entered
the
> corrections into the computer because she doesn't like computers) they
would
> make spelling corrections that my spelling checker missed because of my
> spelling it so off the mark the spelling checker could not find it, they
> would also make suggestions as to grammatical changes.
>
> I am still waiting to hear back from the author of the post as to
what
> he would like for me to do; because I am completely willing to do what
every
> it is (within reason)
There should be no conditions on your part! If you are wrong, you do what
it takes to make it right once and for all. How do you walk with balls that
big?
he likes for me to atone for the omission and error in
> not giving him credit, up to and including any or all of the following, a
> formal apology , here, in print in my column , and via email
How big of you.
>
> I am not sure as to how the copyright laws pertain to a post in a
> Usenet news group; because it is more like something someone would write
on
> a card and put on a bulletin board in Kroger's or something. Even if it
is
> not copyrightable and even if my using the lines would not be legally
> considered
> plagiarism,
Most thieves dont think that what they do constitutes theft either.
I would none the less still want to give someone credit for
> anything they wrote, even if not giving them credit was legal because of
it
> not being copyrightable, in my mind it would be morally reprehensible not
to
> give them credit even if it was not required by law.
BS, you didnt give anyone enough credit to remember the original post. Tsk
Tsk.
>
> I know most here will not believe it; but I found this error of
> omission myself earlier (about 3-4 hours ago) that is why I just now seen
> this post. I have since that time been trying to contact the author of
the
> post and have been writing a letter to my editor explaining it to him, and
I
> answered a few emails before coming back to read the posts here and found
> this post. I tell you one thing it was weird to go through all that
and
> then to open up ACV and see the exact thin I was working on.
Yeah, WOW..amazing huh?
>
> You will probably not have to worry about my column; because more
then
> likely after my editor reads my email explaining the omission and telling
> him that if he no longer wants to run my column that I would understand;
but
> that I would at least like the opportunity to apologize to the author of
the
> lines I failed to credit to via the paper, and be able to do the apology
in
> print, and that if he dropped the column and refused to run the apology,
> that I would then pay for space in the paper for a formal apology.
LOL..more likely your editor has recieved some mail showing you to be a
fraud and likely risking the reputation of the newspaper not to mention
potential lawsuits.
>
> No mater what any here think, locally I am regarded as one of the mos
t
> honorable men around these parts,
Um, thats not much to brag about considering what we learned about you
within the past couple of days.
who's word is as good as gold. I give out
> my word very begrungly and have never broken my word in my entire life.
That may be, but you lie like a horse trots.
I
> have borrowed and then paid back multiple thousands of dollars in the past
> and all the person that lent me the money required was my word and a hand
> shake; because they said then knew I would rather sell everything I own at
a
> loss and pay back the loan rather then break my word, and that a contract
> could be broken but they knew I would never break my word once given.
>
> What some here forget sometimes is that what goes on here in Usenet
> and what goes on in real life are to entirely different things. What
> someone would do without much thought on Usenet, they would never even
> consider doing in real life. So what ever else you may think of me know
> this one thing, I did not obmit giving Tim credit by design is was an
honest
> mistake that I sincerly regret.
Yawn..I hope youre telling the truth this time around.
Stalker Steve, MCP
Sugien
"The Night Stalker" <real...@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FF6D6.114040$8y.21...@typhoon.austin.rr.com...
>
> >
> > This was an oversight, I have contacted the author , and my
publisher
> > between all the people (my wife, son , daughter and son-in-law) I had
> > checking and re checking each draft of my column for grammatical and
> > spelling errors somehow the line crediting him was omitted. I had fully
> > intended to add at the bottom of the article the line: "Thanks to Tim
> > Hodgkinson for his post to the news group ACV, from which I used
several
> > lines in this article"
>
> BS..more lies You are predictable like the tides. So which is it? Was
it
> omitted by accident or did you fully intend to add the line? You are
> telling two stories again. Since you would have been quoting him, you
would
> have indicated such in the body of the article.
I was not going to make any mention in the body of the article I was just
going to add a line at the bottom; because of it being from a Unset post.
Maybe it was not the correct way to do it but I intended to add one line to
the bottom of the article, this line:
" Thanks to Tim Hodgkinson for his post to the news group ACV, from which I
used several lines in this article "
Actually that line would give him more credit; because it almost makes him
look like a co-author of the article.
>
>
> >
> > I just was so paranoid about someone from here finding and jumping
on
> a
> > spelling or grammatical error,
>
> Yeah, its our fault.
Never said it was ACV's fault I was just stating a *fact* about what I was
thinking
>
>
> that I kept sending each (my wife, son ,
> > daughter and son-in-law) a rough draft over the LAN to them (well in the
> > case of my wife I printed it out for here to correct and then I entered
> the
> > corrections into the computer because she doesn't like computers) they
> would
> > make spelling corrections that my spelling checker missed because of my
> > spelling it so off the mark the spelling checker could not find it, they
> > would also make suggestions as to grammatical changes.
> >
> > I am still waiting to hear back from the author of the post as to
> what
> > he would like for me to do; because I am completely willing to do what
> every
> > it is (within reason)
>
> There should be no conditions on your part! If you are wrong, you do what
> it takes to make it right once and for all. How do you walk with balls
that
> big?
I had to add a qualifier; because you have to be very careful when using
words like anything without adding a qualifier. He may have said (not
saying he would but just as an example) Ok sign the title to you car and
send that along with an apology.
>
>
> he likes for me to atone for the omission and error in
> > not giving him credit, up to and including any or all of the following,
a
> > formal apology , here, in print in my column , and via email
>
> How big of you.
Not big at all, just listing a few options he might consider.
>
>
> >
> > I am not sure as to how the copyright laws pertain to a post in a
> > Usenet news group; because it is more like something someone would write
> on
> > a card and put on a bulletin board in Kroger's or something. Even if it
> is
> > not copyrightable and even if my using the lines would not be legally
> > considered
> > plagiarism,
>
> Most thieves dont think that what they do constitutes theft either.
Now you are just being a asshole
>
>
> I would none the less still want to give someone credit for
> > anything they wrote, even if not giving them credit was legal because of
> it
> > not being copyrightable, in my mind it would be morally reprehensible
not
> to
> > give them credit even if it was not required by law.
>
> BS, you didnt give anyone enough credit to remember the original post.
Tsk
> Tsk.
>
> >
> > I know most here will not believe it; but I found this error of
> > omission myself earlier (about 3-4 hours ago) that is why I just now
seen
> > this post. I have since that time been trying to contact the author of
> the
> > post and have been writing a letter to my editor explaining it to him,
and
> I
> > answered a few emails before coming back to read the posts here and
found
> > this post. I tell you one thing it was weird to go through all that
> and
> > then to open up ACV and see the exact thin I was working on.
>
> Yeah, WOW..amazing huh?
actually I was reading a email from someone here in ACV sent me , and
something they said struck me as being a little odd when taking the entire
context of the email as a whole, so after responding to that email I opened
up ACV. If that person says it is ok, then I will tell you who it was that
sent the email I was reading that made me think something was up so to speak
in ACV concerning me.
>
> >
> > You will probably not have to worry about my column; because more
> then
> > likely after my editor reads my email explaining the omission and
telling
> > him that if he no longer wants to run my column that I would understand;
> but
> > that I would at least like the opportunity to apologize to the author of
> the
> > lines I failed to credit to via the paper, and be able to do the apology
> in
> > print, and that if he dropped the column and refused to run the apology,
> > that I would then pay for space in the paper for a formal apology.
>
> LOL..more likely your editor has recieved some mail showing you to be a
> fraud and likely risking the reputation of the newspaper not to mention
> potential lawsuits.
If he did receive any emails then he kept them to himself; because he
never even responded to the one I sent him telling about everything. I am
starting to think he doesn't even have a computer at home and only reads and
responds to email from work. Then again they use Mac's at the paper, maybe
that explains a lot, lol
Like I said earlier, (and no I am not trying to weasel out of it just
because of this) I am not even sure a post in Usenet is even copyrightable
and if no then a lawsuit because of an honest omission would not be
feasible, and if the text of a post is not copyrightable, then taking
something and calling it mine would be legal although imho not morally
right. I did not make those statements to try and get out of anything , but
rather just as an example and also to make the statement the even if it is
not required by law to give credit, I would require it of myself to give
credit where credit is do.
>
> >
> > No mater what any here think, locally I am regarded as one of the
mos
> t
> > honorable men around these parts,
>
> Um, thats not much to brag about considering what we learned about you
> within the past couple of days.
If that is an inference to the two posts that some here prove I
knowingly gave out help with the creation of a virus and such, I have
explained that and that is a mater of opinion personally I am no mind reader
and if someone says they want to know something so they can learn from it or
for purely educational reasons, I will take them at there word; because I am
not a clairvoyant
>
>
> who's word is as good as gold. I give out
> > my word very begrungly and have never broken my word in my entire life.
>
> That may be, but you lie like a horse trots.
that is your opinion and opinions are like noses everyone has one it is just
that some smell more than others and yours falls into the latter category
>
> I
> > have borrowed and then paid back multiple thousands of dollars in the
past
> > and all the person that lent me the money required was my word and a
hand
> > shake; because they said then knew I would rather sell everything I own
at
> a
> > loss and pay back the loan rather then break my word, and that a
contract
> > could be broken but they knew I would never break my word once given.
> >
> > What some here forget sometimes is that what goes on here in
Usenet
> > and what goes on in real life are to entirely different things. What
> > someone would do without much thought on Usenet, they would never even
> > consider doing in real life. So what ever else you may think of me know
> > this one thing, I did not obmit giving Tim credit by design is was an
> honest
> > mistake that I sincerly regret.
>
> Yawn..I hope youre telling the truth this time around.
I could care less what you think, I only replied just incase anyone else
might have any similar thoughts.
>
> Stalker Steve, MCP
Nina Irwin
wrote:
I have a major problem believing your explanation Sugien, as on 4/15
(Sunday) you posted your article in its entirety as you had already
submitted it to your editor for publication on Monday the 16th and it
was full of grammatical errors and spelling errors which I pointed out
in the wee morning hours of the 16th.
In your reply to me at 1:04 AM on the 16th, you stated that you
guessed you would need to have your wife check your grammar but that
she hated computers. See the following:
>> There are numerous spelling and glaring grammatical errors in the
> >above paragraph. Also, the paragraph needs to be broken up.
> I always have used paragraphs that are too large and or express more
>then one thought for which a new paragraph should be started. Believe it or
>not I *do* use a spelling checker. I usually write everything (programs be
>it , a visual basic, C++, cgi, perl, html, fortrain, cobol, Java,
>JavaScript, well any of the programming languages I write in from time to
>time, likewise any pros,poetry,musical lyrics, articles, my column, email
>well anything I need to use the keyboard and type I usually type it up in a
>notepad replacement program I wrote which pulls in the spelling module from
>WordXP) The problem is that most times my spelling is so far off the
>spelling checker can't find it, lol
> If my wife or my son (both excellent spellers) happen to be within ear
>shot I will holler and ask them for the correct spelling. As for the
>grammatical errors, I use to be far better; but now I play it off to being
>my writing style, lol, but seriously you are once again correct and I think
>I will start doing what I did while attending Ohio State University back in
>79-80, and have my wife proof read for grammar and spelling. The only
>problem I can foresee with that is that my wife hates computers and I would
>have to print them out in order to get her to proof them for me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Since the article had already been sent to your editor when you wrote
this, it appears that your wife had NOT proofed it and you had not yet
printed it out for her. So once, again a lie, which in turn makes all
the rest of your story subject to disbelief. There was no time left
for you to change the article since it was appearing in the paper on
Monday. Whatever changes were made had been done by the proof-reader
at the paper.
> I just was so paranoid about someone from here finding and jumping on a
>spelling or grammatical error, that I kept sending each (my wife, son ,
>daughter and son-in-law) a rough draft over the LAN to them (well in the
>case of my wife I printed it out for here to correct and then I entered the
>corrections into the computer because she doesn't like computers) they would
>make spelling corrections that my spelling checker missed because of my
>spelling it so off the mark the spelling checker could not find it, they
>would also make suggestions as to grammatical changes.
See my above comments.
<Snipped the rest of the long rambling excuses>
Just once, be truthful and admit that you screwed up.
Nina Irwin
ni...@cyber-tech-computer.com
rod
"Sugien" <gen...@mindless.com> wrote in message
news:Ib6D6.31369$St6.68...@news2.news.adelphia.net...
You come up with what, on the surface, often seem to be plausible
excuses for your "transgressions", no matter how serious or trivial.
You are obviously a Zen Master of the art of worm-wriggling!
You state "I know most here will not believe it; but I found this error
of omission myself earlier (about 3-4 hours ago)" ... but Brien Barlev
exposed your apparent plagiarism MORE THAN _FIVE_ HOURS
before you posted this feeble copout.
I'll grant that it's possible that you _may_ have been too busy to
read Brien's post earlier than you say you read it ... but you've
told so many little pork pies recently that you're right ... most
acvers _won't_ believe you.
However, if you're being unjustly accused, I'm all for you proving
your innocence ... and I won't even charge you $200 an hour to
help you.
In this instance you can prove the honesty of your claim quite
easily, in one of two ways ..........
You state "I have contacted the author [ ... ] somehow the line
crediting him was omitted."
Brien Barlev's post exposing your apparent plagiarism was sent
to his nntp server on 18/04/01 at 06:25, my time.
All you have to do to validate your statement and prove that it
was indeed a genuine oversight is produce authenticated email
from you to Tim Hodgkinson which pre-dates Brien's post.
Failing this ... rather than insult acv's collective intelligence by
telling us "I must have deleted the email" ... simply ask Tim
Hodgkinson to verify that he _did_ receive such an email from
you before your column went to press.
Sugien
"Nina Irwin" <ni...@cyber-tech-computer.com> wrote in message
news:8c6qdt4eetmepfuq1...@4ax.com...
The credit line was to be added to the bottom of the article and it was
omitted. plane and simple.
rod
>
> If that is an inference to the two posts that some here prove I
> knowingly gave out help with the creation of a virus and such,
> I have explained that and that is a mater of opinion personally
> I am no mind reader and if someone says they want to know
> something so they can learn from it or for purely educational
> reasons, I will take them at there word; because I am not a
> clairvoyant
The gaping hole in this worm-wriggle is that it has been shown
beyond all doubt that the "reasonable man" so beloved by the
judicial systems of the world would have known only too well
that those asking the questions wanted to know the answers
for malicious purposes.
If you asked me "How can I kill my wife without leaving any
evidence of foul play ?" and added "I want to know this purely
for educational purposes, although I might try it." and I told
you where to obtain and how to use an undetectable poison,
there are _no_ acceptable excuses for my behavior ... I would
be as guilty of her murder in the eyes of The Law as if I had
killed her myself.
If you can't understand this, and if your $200 per hour lawyer
is too unversed in Criminal Law to explain it to you, tell him
you want a refund, and spend the money on a real lawyer!
Keep going the way you are and deluding yourself that "I'm
not a mind reader" is a bulletproof defense, and you _will_
go down!
Sugien
"rod" <r...@antivirus.com.au> wrote in message news:3add169d@grissom...
What time I sent out the letter to tim would be irelivent; because of my not
reading ACV for several hours. but it was sent out at: 6:43pm my time; just
prior to reading another email from someone here that made me suspect
something was up in ACV at which time I read ACV for the first time since
earler that day, I think the last time I posted in ACV was just a few min
before Brien Barlev's post
Nina Irwin
wrote:
<Snip>
Then why the long, long, long explanation about how you were so busy
proofing and having the family proof that it fell through the wayside.
You should have just said "The credit line was to be added to the
bottom of the article and it was omitted, plain and simple." and left
all the rest of the "explanation" off.
I'm tired of this whole thread so I'm calling it a nite.
Nina Irwin
ni...@cyber-tech-computer.com
Sugien
Not a lie see below, but for brevety, I attached the wrong one to my editor;
but luckley his staff is better at corrections then those here at my home.
> the rest of your story subject to disbelief. There was no time left
> for you to change the article since it was appearing in the paper on
> Monday. Whatever changes were made had been done by the proof-reader
> at the paper.
yep see below, but as I stated I was to add the credit line after all the
corrections.
>
> > I just was so paranoid about someone from here finding and jumping
on a
> >spelling or grammatical error, that I kept sending each (my wife, son ,
> >daughter and son-in-law) a rough draft over the LAN to them (well in the
> >case of my wife I printed it out for here to correct and then I entered
the
> >corrections into the computer because she doesn't like computers) they
would
> >make spelling corrections that my spelling checker missed because of my
> >spelling it so off the mark the spelling checker could not find it, they
> >would also make suggestions as to grammatical changes.
>
> See my above comments.
> <Snipped the rest of the long rambling excuses>
>
> Just once, be truthful and admit that you screwed up.
>
> Nina Irwin
> ni...@cyber-tech-computer.com
I supose you have never sent out a rough draft thinking it was the
completed one? As hetic as it is around here sometimes I am lucky to
remember my own name let alone if the attachment I am sending out it the one
that has been corrected or if it is the one I sent over the lan to be
checked or if it is the one I printed out for my wife.
I did however fully intend to add the credit line; but I could not
decide if I wanted to do it in the body of the article, or at the end. I
was also not sure of the wording I wanted to use, so while everyone else was
doing the correcting, I was framing the way I wanted to do the credit in the
article. When I sent out the article the way I did it was to send my editor
an email and then I attached the article. I had thought I had sent out the
final version with the credit line at the bottom I obvisley had sent out the
wrong one.
Now don't take this as an excuse or as my trying to palce the blame
anywhere other than where it belongs (on me); but what with all the jibs and
jabs and accusations and inuendos, comeing from ACV and with trying to
defend myself against an almost usurmountable amount of near persucation is
it any wonder I sent out the wrong one or that I may have left the credit
line off , or that I did not catch the error until the next day after it was
published?
A lesser man would just say to hell with it and tell all you people in
ACV to kiss there ass and leave you to your own devices and let you continue
with your good ole boy network patting each other on the back and cursing
out the newbies just because they asked a simple question and curse them
for no other reason then you have heard the same question too many times
from other newbies and they just happen to be the one to ask the question
after you have reached your limit.
I can understand somewhat of your concerns; but you people don't seem
to be able to see my perseptive. When you start to quallify who can have
certain information that is more dangerous then any information you could
ever give to the wrong person. Either all information is truly free or we
are in danger of returning to the dark ages of book burning and harasey.
Well now is not the time or the place. I know I am completly in the
right here, I truly did intend to add the line giveing him credit, I know
it, everyone here at my home knows it. If my editor has asked anyone around
town about my chacter (which he probably did before letting me write for his
paper) then he know I obmited it unentionally. Even the one guy (maybe
there is more; but I only know of the one) I know of that hates my guts
here in town (a neighbor over a fence) would probably say that even though
he is a prick he is a honest and honorable prick, lol
I am rapidly getting tiard of the whole thing, and as much as I enjoy a
good intelectual duel and even if my oponets are using dagers whlist I use a
rapier, even I can only tolerate so much.
rod
>
>I know I am completly in the right here,
You always do ... but what you "know" and what the evidence
_shows_ are invariably horses of two different colors!
rod
An excellent worm-wriggle!
Too bad it's such obvious bullshit!
Sugien
Because usually in here if I just give the plane and simple truth without a
long drawn out point by point explination, then the fact I use such a short
and simple and to the point answer is in of it's self seen as another
example of a lie.
rod
> I am rapidly getting tiard of the whole thing, and as much as I enjoy
> a good intelectual duel
Hahahahahahahahah!
A duel must (traditionally) be fought between equally-armed opponents.
You have NO weapons with which to fight an "intelectual " duel, dimbulb!
Nick FitzGerald
> LOL. This is hilarious.
>
> Not only a script kiddie, but a thief to boot.
Yeah, but we already knew that -- there was that incident recently with the
"VBS test file" he stole from Finjan (or was it Aladdin/eSafe -- I sometimes
confuse them and can't be bothered checking right now...) and simply did a
"search and replace" of a couple of message/credit strings, replacing the
real author's names with his own and/or his company's.
Sooooog is a real piece of work.
A real *crap* piece of work...
Have you noticed how even his bum-buddies from alt.hacekrs.malicious have
stopped posting in support of him? Given their execrably low standards,
that says it all really!
--
Nick FitzGerald
Laura Fredericks
post:
>...I am not even sure a post in Usenet is even copyrightable...
"10 Big Myths about copyright explained"
by Brad Templeton
Chairman of the Electronic Frontier Foundation
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
Of interest: #s 3 and 4. #10, too (re. e-mail)
--
Laura Fredericks
Remove CLOTHES to reply.
Nina Irwin
<anon...@CLOTHEShotmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:41:33 GMT, "Sugien" <gen...@mindless.com> wrote in
>post:
>>...I am not even sure a post in Usenet is even copyrightable...
>
>"10 Big Myths about copyright explained"
>by Brad Templeton
>Chairman of the Electronic Frontier Foundation
>http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
>
>Of interest: #s 3 and 4. #10, too (re. e-mail)
Thanks for the information Laura. It was very interesting reading and
I have put that page in my "favorites" list.
Nina Irwin
ni...@cyber-tech-computer.com
Robert Moir
> This was an oversight, I have contacted the author , and my publisher
> between all the people (my wife, son , daughter and son-in-law) I had
> checking and re checking each draft of my column for grammatical and
> spelling errors somehow the line crediting him was omitted. I had fully
> intended to add at the bottom of the article the line: "Thanks to Tim
> Hodgkinson for his post to the news group ACV, from which I used several
> lines in this article"
This would be a reasonable explanation if it didn't come from someone with a
history of hijacking other's work.
[...]
> I am not sure as to how the copyright laws pertain to a post in a
> Usenet news group; because it is more like something someone would write
on
> a card and put on a bulletin board in Kroger's or something. Even if it
is
> not copyrightable and even if my using the lines would not be legally
> considered
> plagiarism, I would none the less still want to give someone credit for
> anything they wrote, even if not giving them credit was legal because of
it
> not being copyrightable, in my mind it would be morally reprehensible not
to
> give them credit even if it was not required by law.
How _generous_ of you.
[snip]
> No mater what any here think, locally I am regarded as one of the
most
> honorable men around these parts, who's word is as good as gold. I give
out
> my word very begrungly and have never broken my word in my entire life.
Then why not apply the same obviously high standards to your activities
online.
gladius
<Ib6D6.31369$St6.68...@news2.news.adelphia.net>:
<snip rambling self pitying backpedaling BS>
> I give
>out my word very begrungly
Word of the week
>>>>Begrungly.<<<<
Please post your definitions here.
Yes Sug, you are temporarily out of my KF as I've heard you're
only stepping off your dick to change feet at the moment, and I didn't want
to miss it.
gladius
--
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mais le coeur des fous ne fait pas ainsi."
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The Night Stalker
Faced with his many lies, stories, fabrications, etc. he *still* insists on
more of the same. Maybe he has a mental disorder or is under-medicated.
Stalker Steve, MCP
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