Dustin Cook (was Re: PROPOSAL: Charter for alt.comp.virus)
Graham Cluley
> Poor Dustin. I've made him the ass of alt.comp.virus.. and
> it was easier then I expected... I suppose I should have used
> a name of somebody i really disliked, instead of someone
> I don't actually even know. Ah well, a mistake I won't repeat.
> If you can be fooled once, you can be fooled again.
Did anyone ever get in touch with Dustin Cook to let him know about RAiD?
--
Graham Cluley, Senior technology consultant, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com web: http://www.sophos.com
kurt wismer
>
> Did anyone ever get in touch with Dustin Cook to let him know about RAiD?
i think dustin knows about raid... he certainly knew about raid's
viruses when he used to post in here... he'd harp on and on about them,
about av's not detecting or cleaning them properly...
just like raid, actually...
--
"close your eyes and bow your head
i need a little sympathy
cause fear is strong and love's for
everyone who isn't me"
Graham Cluley
> In article <7imefe$dbp$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> ham...@cix.co.uk ("Graham Cluley") wrote:
> >n0b...@unknown.org (Raid) wrote:
> >
> >> Poor Dustin. I've made him the ass of alt.comp.virus.. and
> >> it was easier then I expected... I suppose I should have used
> >> a name of somebody i really disliked, instead of someone
> >> I don't actually even know. Ah well, a mistake I won't repeat.
> >> If you can be fooled once, you can be fooled again.
> >
> >Did anyone ever get in touch with Dustin Cook to let him
> >know about RAiD?
>
> Starting this old garbage again? I was expecting more original
> abilities from you Graham.
Hang on. It's you who's saying you made Dustin look like an "ass". It's
you who say you chose his name as a disguise. I'm just asking if the real
Dustin Cook knows about what you did.
What's your problem?
I see you've changed the subject line so it didn't mention Dustin Cook.
You seemed to do that a lot in the past too. I've put it back again.
Bruce P. Burrell
[snip]
> LoL! C'mon Graham, take Georges dick out of your mouth for one minute and
> think about that question.
Wow. Very impressive band*length*, George.
Staale, I nominate Mr. Wenzel as acv superstud.
-BPB
kurt wismer
>
> In article <374F4A70...@utoronto.ca>,
> kurt wismer <kurt....@utoronto.ca> wrote:
> >Graham Cluley wrote:
> >>
> >> Did anyone ever get in touch with Dustin Cook to let him know about RAiD?
> >
> >viruses when he used to post in here... he'd harp on and on about them,
> >about av's not detecting or cleaning them properly...
> >
> >just like raid, actually...
>
ummm.. since i'm talking about his posts then they're going to have to
cut it as evidence (they prove the poster knew about your viruses,
certainly, whether he was the real dustin cook or not i can't say but
i'll give him the benefit of the doubt since no one else seems to want
to take credit for being him)...
and anyone can use dejanews to search this group for dustin cook's
messages and verify their contents themselves... i imagine many of the
regulars have already seen what i'm refering to..
Bruce P. Burrell
> In article <37563b33...@news.newsguy.com>,
> amet...@prodigy.net (L DeHaan) wrote:
>>On Sat, 29 May 1999 23:44:24 GMT, Bruce P. Burrell <b...@umich.edu>
>>wrote:
>>
>>LDH
> Hrmm... I guess you best get to measuring it then eh? To make sure. haha
This is one case wher we'll accept the evidence you've presented (wrt
length, anyway) without question. Might put an asterisk next to the cite,
though: * Measurement data provided by Raid.
;-)
-BPB
Arthur Kopp
> This is one case wher we'll accept the evidence you've presented (wrt
>length, anyway) without question. Might put an asterisk next to the cite,
>though: * Measurement data provided by Raid.
>
> ;-)
>
> -BPB
Dare we ask what he uses as a measure?
Art :)
kurt wismer
>
> In article <7ip1dv$jee$1...@news.ametro.net>, n0b...@unknown.org (Raid) wrote:
> >In article <374F4A70...@utoronto.ca>,
> > kurt wismer <kurt....@utoronto.ca> wrote:
> >>i think dustin knows about raid... he certainly knew about raid's
> >>viruses when he used to post in here... he'd harp on and on about them,
> >>about av's not detecting or cleaning them properly...
> >>
> >>just like raid, actually...
> >
> >Evidence please? No, usenet posts don't quiet cut-it :P
>
> differences in coding style. (Since it was decided sometime last year or the
> previous one that Dustin Cook and I both at used the same langauge at some
> point). Dissasemble a program (he wrote shareware applications; Not viruses)
actually dustin admitted to writing replicating code that could infect
mcafee's scanner without it detecting the change... only as a test
though...
so that's another thing you have in common, you've both written
viruses...
> of his, And a virus of mine (since that's all i've written aside from
> keygens, cracks, and saved game editors. But you can examine those too!)
my recollection is that you also write file encryption software...
> You'll find while we both used the same language; We don't code the same way!
of course, you grew up and probably your programming style reflects
this...
Bruce P. Burrell
> In article <dmg43.865$ls.2...@news.itd.umich.edu>,
> Bruce P. Burrell <b...@umich.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> LoL! C'mon Graham, take Georges dick out of your mouth for one minute
> and
>>>>>> think about that question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow. Very impressive band*length*, George.
>>>>>
>>>>> Staale, I nominate Mr. Wenzel as acv superstud.
>>>>>
>>>>This is also one for the Guiness Book of Records.
>>>>
>>>>LDH
>>
>>> Hrmm... I guess you best get to measuring it then eh? To make sure. haha
>>
>> This is one case wher we'll accept the evidence you've presented (wrt
>>length, anyway) without question. Might put an asterisk next to the cite,
>>though: * Measurement data provided by Raid.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> -BPB
> I'm honored really, But I can't take credit for the measurement, as I didn't
> measure anything.
Ok; ok: you made an observation that imples a measurement -- one I surely
would have thought impossible, before you made that observation. Frankly, I
have difficulty believing it now....
> I merely commented as shown above that Graham should stop
> sucking on George. You however did make a comment regarding measurement.
> Perhaps rightfully, the asterisk should be by you? :)
Sorry; my information is based only on your observation, plus the facts of
geography. But I've probably been silly enough in this digression, o perhaps
I'll bow out now.
-BPB
kurt wismer
>
> In article <3750AED1...@utoronto.ca>,
> kurt wismer <kurt....@utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> >ummm.. since i'm talking about his posts then they're going to have to
> >cut it as evidence (they prove the poster knew about your viruses,
> >certainly, whether he was the real dustin cook or not i can't say but
> >i'll give him the benefit of the doubt since no one else seems to want
> >to take credit for being him)...
>
> knew about A virus of mine (one virus for those who don't read very well).
actually more than one virus... he was aware of the entire weed family
and one called (let me see, i think it was) gremlin...
> Based on your theory, Anyone who has ever reported being infected by a virus
> of mine could be Dustin Cook then? I'm Sorry Kurt, that's circumstancial
> (sp?) evidence at best.
nice weaseling, raid... i said he harped on detection and disinfection
(or lack thereof) much like you did... he didn't much complain about
being infected by them... he used them almost excusively when he needed
a viral example, much as you tended to do..
> It's obvious your contining the Dustin Cook debate in a vein effort to get a
> rise out of me; That's not going to happen this time around.
what's that? isn't it you who typed this article i'm replying to?
> >and anyone can use dejanews to search this group for dustin cook's
> >messages and verify their contents themselves... i imagine many of the
> >regulars have already seen what i'm refering to..
>
> Verify that at some point in time, a Dustin Cook (sheesh, Dejanews search
> finds quite a few posters by that name) posted. Sorry kurt, that doesn't hold
> much weight either.
not "a" dustin cook... the same dustin cook who announced the
availability of certain crypto shareware in alt.comp.shareware... the
same crypto shareware you claim he wrote...
kurt wismer
>
> In article <375105FE...@utoronto.ca>,
> kurt wismer <kurt....@utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> >actually dustin admitted to writing replicating code that could infect
> >mcafee's scanner without it detecting the change... only as a test
> >though...
>
> or the other.
never said it did... i don't believe there is conclusive proof
available, only a mountain of circumstantial evidence...
> >so that's another thing you have in common, you've both written
> >viruses...
>
> Virus, not viruses. Viruses is plural.
ok, you got me there, inappropriate use of a plural form...
> >my recollection is that you also write file encryption software...
>
> Your recollection isn't accurate then. I've never written any file encryption
> software, Nor have I ever released any. If you mean the encryption my viruses
> use; You can't use that against me. Almost any virus worth anything uses
> encryption in one form or another.
y'know i was going to concede, but no i think i'll take a lesson from
you and be stubborn... i looked it up through dejanews and in article
<6aflva$eo1$1...@news.usit.net> you said :
<quote>
Stupid..IE: Lacking in intelligence. Hrm...Let's see here, I wrote
several
viruses, shareware utilities, various encryption programs, and I am a
computer technician..Oh yes, Stupid certainly qualifies here..
</quote>
> >of course, you grew up and probably your programming style reflects
> >this...
>
> A programming style doesn't really change all that much.
oh, i don't know, mine has improved a great deal since age 10 or so...
kurt wismer
>
> In article <3751EF06...@utoronto.ca>,
> kurt wismer <kurt....@utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> >actually more than one virus... he was aware of the entire weed family
> >and one called (let me see, i think it was) gremlin...
>
> wrote a virus called "Gremlin". That's what happens when AV rename viruses.
correct you are, they do seem to be the same... though you called it
gremlin when you posted the source... (or at least one of the times you
posted the source)...
> >nice weaseling, raid... i said he harped on detection and disinfection
> >(or lack thereof) much like you did... he didn't much complain about
> >being infected by them... he used them almost excusively when he needed
> >a viral example, much as you tended to do..
>
> So he didn't complain he was infected by them, I doubt this means anything.
> The entire weed family of viruses used a very simple add/sub loop for the
> host encryption; Hardly rocket science to fix.
what it means is that you and he are pretty much the only people i've
ever seen use them as examples so exclusively...
> Many people in the past of this newsgroup have complained about issues
> regarding detection and disinfection. That doesn't mean anything. Perhaps he
> was a disgrunted user of a commercial AV product?
it wasn't the harping so much as the intense focus on your viruses..
[snip]
> >not "a" dustin cook... the same dustin cook who announced the
> >availability of certain crypto shareware in alt.comp.shareware... the
> >same crypto shareware you claim he wrote...
>
> How can you be sure they are the same Dustin Cook Tho?
same email address in the headers... not unquestionable proof of course,
but other things being equal it's pretty good evidence...
> The claims I made
> regarding his shareware are easily verified by using dejanews and checking.
> Or as I'm known to do, Poll alt.comp.shareware for new possibly useful
> utilities. I got the same information you did Kurt; Hardly something you can
> use against me however.
didn't try, i was just trying to show they were the same dustin cook...
one has to generate a body of knowledge about 2 people to be able to
compare them to each other...
Graham Cluley
Raid wrote in message <7isaug$u0e$1...@news.ametro.net>...
>I'm honored really, But I can't take credit for the measurement, as I
didn't
>sucking on George.
I've never been to Alberta, let alone met George. I did send George some
socks once.
Overall I suspect my connection to George is less tenuous than your
connection to Dustin Cook Esq. But feel free to change the subject if it
makes you feel better.
--
Graham Cluley, Senior Technology Consultant, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
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Graham Cluley
>Overall I suspect my connection to George is less tenuous than your
>connection to Dustin Cook Esq.
Oops.. less is more.
Timo Salmi
Graham Cluley <gcl...@sophos.com> wrote:
:Oops.. less is more.
More or less.
All the best, Timo (aka Perfesser Pundit in news:rec.humor)
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Graham Cluley
> In article <7j0bct$tor$1...@elrond.sophos.com>,
> "Graham Cluley" <gcl...@sophos.com> wrote:
>
> >Overall I suspect my connection to George is less tenuous than your
> >connection to Dustin Cook Esq. But feel free to change the
> >subject if it makes you feel better.
>
> Nice try Graham. I didn't change the subject line. I added too
> it, But left the original subject line very much intact.
> Perhaps you really should see an eye doctor eh?
Err.. I didn't mention the subject line. I was referring to your
technique of changing the topic of conversation (for instance your
suggestion that I was more than familiar with George) whenever you
want to avoid answering a question.
Graham Cluley
> In article <7j4efh$41c$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> ham...@cix.co.uk ("Graham Cluley") wrote:
>
> >Err.. I didn't mention the subject line. I was referring
> >to your technique of changing the topic of conversation
> >(for instance your suggestion that I was more than
> >familiar with George) whenever you want to avoid answering
> >a question.
>
> I grow tired of playing games with you Graham. Here is the
> message I posted;
no no, that's *a* message you posted. Not the one I'm talking about now.
I was referring to your abusive message about George and me getting up to
various sexual activity. Try and follow the thread.
> Which did NOT in any way change the topic of conversation,
> You'll notice I did NOT remove Dustin Cook from the subject line; As
> you have previously claimed. --
> FROM: n0b...@unknown.org (Raid)
> SUBJECT: Re: [Oh joy Ren, Avers are going to bat again over Raidys
> real identity. ]Dustin Cook (was Re: PROPOSAL: Charter for
> alt.comp.virus)
> DATE: Sat, 29 May 99 00:12:37 GMT
> ORGANIZATION: .....?
The "Dustin Cook" bit of the message didn't appear on my screen because I
scrolled off. Check out how long you'd made the subject line. That's why
I thought you'd removed it. But I'm no longer talking about that. I'm
talking about the way you change the subject to one of insults and sexual
innuendo (for instance "WankerBoy") when you can't tackle the subject
ermm.. in hand.
You do see that the subject being discussed and the subject line are two
different things? You do understand that don't you?
kurt wismer
>
> In article <7j6fip$l8m$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> ham...@cix.co.uk ("Graham Cluley") wrote:
>
> >no no, that's *a* message you posted. Not the one I'm talking about now.
> >I was referring to your abusive message about George and me getting up to
> >various sexual activity. Try and follow the thread.
>
> topics. What's wrong? You don't wanna play when I pull one of your own
> little tricks on you? That's no way to be. :P
??? whose penis did he accuse you of having in your mouth? i haven't
seen anything of that calibre coming from graham, maybe they're just
being cancelled...
> So what? The point was; the subject line was still there. I've been able to
> tackle all sorts of subjects. I've just grown tired of the Dustin Debate, I
> was under the impression we had dropped this long ago; You decided to start
> it back up again.
actually, you mentioned the name before graham did...
> >You do see that the subject being discussed and the subject line are two
> >different things? You do understand that don't you?
>
> Yep. Usually they'd go hand in hand,
usually? what world do you live in? topic drift is the third most common
element in the universe, right after hydrogen and stupidity...
--
"sometimes i cannot take this place
sometimes it's my life i can't taste
sometimes i cannot feel my face
you'll never see me fall from grace"
Graham Cluley
> I've just grown tired of the Dustin Debate, I was under
> the impression we had dropped this long ago; You decided to
> start it back up again.
Err no. You mentioned Dustin Cook before me. I merely responded to your
post.
> I'm guessing to get a rise out of me?
I was just responding to your mention of Dustin Cook. If you didn't want
me to respond to your reference to Dustin Cook, maybe you shouldn't have
mentioned Dustin Cook.
> As for the sexual innuendo; Hey man, If you can't take the heat,
> get the fuck out of the kitchen.
I don't understand why you get so upset when I mention Dustin Cook's name.
Especially after you'd already mentioned it. If it hadn't been for you in
the first place we'd probably never have heard of Dustin Cook.
> You backoff, and I will. There is no middle ground. The balls
> in your court (hehe) sort of speak.
What do you want me to backoff?
I merely asked if anyone had ever contacted Dustin Cook to tell him about
you (you happened to mention Dustin again which prompted my question).
Suddenly you get all upset and start suggesting George Wenzel and I are
intimately acquainted..
Timo Salmi
Graham Cluley <ham...@cix.co.uk> wrote::Err no. You mentioned Dustin Cook before me. I merely responded to your
:post.
Dear Graham,
Just like you, I am very baffled by the comment. Not that I would
necessarily want to know. But at least that seems like some person's
name. Well, if we really wanted to find out, I guess that's what
http://www.dejanews.com is all about.
All the best, Timo