Side effects of FunLove
tar585
noticing some weird goings-on:
-- I have problems booting the system and shutting down. Sometimes it
takes as long as five minutes of hitting reset before the thing kicks in.
-- Slow performance. Certain programs take two minutes to load. IE is
one of them. Like someone else mentioned before, I also have problems
with forms on websites.
The FLCSS.exe file is gone -- finally deleted it in DOS. But I'm still
noticing odd problems. Mcafee and Norton can't find any problems either.
Anyone ever run into a problem like this?
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Mark Kieven
affected files, but this only gave limited improvement. On other CPU's
I reinstalled windows from a clean drive. I tried doing a IE upgrade
but that made no difference.
Mark
Nick FitzGerald
> I'm pretty sure I've removed Funlove from my computer, but I'm still
> noticing some weird goings-on:
>
> -- I have problems booting the system and shutting down. Sometimes it
> takes as long as five minutes of hitting reset before the thing kicks in.
>
> -- Slow performance. Certain programs take two minutes to load. IE is
> one of them. Like someone else mentioned before, I also have problems
> with forms on websites.
>
> The FLCSS.exe file is gone -- finally deleted it in DOS. But I'm still
> noticing odd problems. Mcafee and Norton can't find any problems either.
>
> Anyone ever run into a problem like this?
As always, and particulalry with Win32 systems, *disinfection is
unreliable*.
Of course, the comapnies that sell AV s/w that does it will not tell
you this -- they depend on their customers buying their s/w rather
than AV s/w that does not do disinfection.
Said AV developers will, of course, not tell you that mostly only lazy
people get viruses and only lazy people want disinfection. Afterall,
they want you to keep coming back and spending more and more money on
their updates and upgrades and people tend to not like being told they
are lazy, so they are likely to go to another vendor who will sell them
disinfection without telling them that the reason they want this is
because they are lazy...
You may have stopped reading by now because you think I am trying to
insult you -- if so, you will have missed out on the most impoartnt
part of this post...
Disinfecting many of the currently common parasitic Windows viruses
(such as MTX, FunLove and so on) will not restore your system to a
known, stable state. It *will* remove the virus and *may* leave your
system functional. It may or may not leave your system as stable
and fast as it seemed to be before the infection.
If you have been infected with one of those viruses, by all means
disinfect so you can backup all your *data* from the machine (though
you should be able to do that in the infected state too as these
viruses do not depend in any way on data files). Then reinstall
everything, from scratch (people who need to depend on disinfection
seldom have reliable system backups that are known to be virus free)
then restore the data you backed-up.
--
Nick FitzGerald
RaiD
says...
> tar585 <tar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm pretty sure I've removed Funlove from my computer, but I'm still
> > noticing some weird goings-on:
> >
> > -- I have problems booting the system and shutting down. Sometimes it
> > takes as long as five minutes of hitting reset before the thing kicks in.
> >
> > -- Slow performance. Certain programs take two minutes to load. IE is
> > one of them. Like someone else mentioned before, I also have problems
> > with forms on websites.
> >
> > The FLCSS.exe file is gone -- finally deleted it in DOS. But I'm still
> > noticing odd problems. Mcafee and Norton can't find any problems either.
> >
> > Anyone ever run into a problem like this?
>
> As always, and particulalry with Win32 systems, *disinfection is
> unreliable*.
Not always. That's actually an excuse used by various AV companies
depending on the virus in question. IE: when it's too difficult for their
staff to accuratly describe, let alone figure out how to disinfect. In
other cases the said virus has some bug that prevents accurate
disinfection; but this isn't always the case. This is not an as always
thing, some viruses can be removed and allow for the perfect restoration
of the host file.
> Said AV developers will, of course, not tell you that mostly only lazy
> people get viruses and only lazy people want disinfection. Afterall,
> they want you to keep coming back and spending more and more money on
> their updates and upgrades and people tend to not like being told they
> are lazy, so they are likely to go to another vendor who will sell them
> disinfection without telling them that the reason they want this is
> because they are lazy...
Not everyone who becomes infected is lazy. I don't think the lady's
computer I removed kak from was lazy. She had just purchased the computer
a few days ago from a local WalMart, it did not come with antivirus
software; and her being new to computers didn't think to obtain any. I'm
fairly certain she didn't know what a virus was in the first place.
Many viruses can be disinfected and the host file undamaged... Not all
viruses cause an irreversible effect; Unless your too incompetent (and we
know you don't understand exe structures) to do it, Then you tell people
it cannot be done safely.
> You may have stopped reading by now because you think I am trying to
> insult you -- if so, you will have missed out on the most impoartnt
> part of this post...
Nah, Your a hypocritical bastard with an ego the size of europe. Go rott
in your cess pool you call life.
Regards,
Raid
Nathan Williams
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"Nick FitzGerald" <ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> As always, and particulalry with Win32 systems, *disinfection is
> unreliable*.
>
> Of course, the comapnies that sell AV s/w that does it will not
> tell you this -- they depend on their customers buying their s/w
> rather than AV s/w that does not do disinfection.
>
> Said AV developers will, of course, not tell you that mostly only
> lazy people get viruses and only lazy people want disinfection.
> Afterall, they want you to keep coming back and spending more and
> more money on their updates and upgrades and people tend to not
> like being told they are lazy, so they are likely to go to another
> vendor who will sell them disinfection without telling them that
> the reason they want this is because they are lazy...
>
> You may have stopped reading by now because you think I am trying
> to insult you -- if so, you will have missed out on the most
> impoartnt part of this post...
>
Nick you can be informative without being an asshole. I don't think
this guy is lazy. He is ignorant of how viruses and AV software
works but I don't see how that makes him lazy. Not every EU is a
programmer or even a power user. I agree with you that AV software
vendors mislead EUs. But to call the guy lazy is the height of
arrogance on your part. Unless you spend considerable time on virus
issues every day you honestly can't expect the average EU to know
that. Most EUs never encounter a virus and most EUs are pretty
trusting of the software they buy. And why shouldn't they? They
never encounter a virus to begin with so the software must be
working, right...
If you had said what you said to him to MY face I would have
probably decked you. I don't know if you don't think about how you
post comes across to other readers or you are just so low that you
get your rocks off by being a jerk, but I for one wish you would
shut up or be nice. I like your insight about virus and your
information is helpful but you come off as a jerk every time you
post. I think you owe tar585 an apology.
Nathan Williams
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Patricia A. Shaffer
>Not everyone who becomes infected is lazy. I don't think the lady's
>computer I removed kak from was lazy. She had just purchased the computer
>a few days ago from a local WalMart, it did not come with antivirus
>software; and her being new to computers didn't think to obtain any. I'm
>fairly certain she didn't know what a virus was in the first place.
Oh, look! Raid found a victim that *wasn't* to blame for becoming a
victim! Mirabile dictu!
>Nah, Your a hypocritical bastard with an ego the size of europe. Go rott
>in your cess pool you call life.
Hmmm ... from where I sit, the people who propagate and condone invasion
and damage to others' data are the worse egotistical bastards. As for
being hypocritical, there you sit, blaming victims for getting infected,
while in real time, you are commiserating with the victims who come to
you for help in getting rid of malware on their computers. On the one
hand, you earn part of your living from cleaning up and preventing
damage from the very programs that, on the other hand, you and your
colleagues write, release and condone.
--
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Zvi Netiv
> I'm pretty sure I've removed Funlove from my computer, but I'm still
> noticing some weird goings-on:
> -- I have problems booting the system and shutting down. Sometimes it
> takes as long as five minutes of hitting reset before the thing kicks in.
> -- Slow performance. Certain programs take two minutes to load. IE is
> one of them. Like someone else mentioned before, I also have problems
> with forms on websites.
> The FLCSS.exe file is gone -- finally deleted it in DOS. But I'm still
> noticing odd problems. Mcafee and Norton can't find any problems either.
> Anyone ever run into a problem like this?
Disinfecting from Funlove may leave your system impaired, as explained
to you by others that replied your post. The remedy, if this is the
cause, is to reinstall Windows as well as all applications that were
disinfected from Funlove.
Yet I suspect that your problem stems from something else, i.e.
running more than one on-access AV, simultaneously. Check that you
don't have both McAfee and the NAV on-access module enabled, and
disable one of them if you do.
Also, could be worth checking if the problem goes away when
temporarily disabling all on-access AV. If it helps, then find
yourself less obtrusive antivirus software.
Regards, Zvi
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Brien Barlev
<ra...@swva.net> wrote:
>On the one
>hand, you earn part of your living from cleaning up and preventing
>damage from the very programs that, on the other hand, you and your
>colleagues write, release and condone.
A case of split personality syndrome, Raid? Not unlike David being
both Doug and Vic?
Regards,
Brien
Brien Barlev
>both Doug and Vic?
Oops, for those interested but not in the know, David as Doug
Winterspoon was the "good" guy persona offering out good sound advice,
not unlike a VX equivalent of Nick.
However as the "bad" guy Vic, David was into - writing a black
manifesto, numerous underground articles, viruses and spreading them.
Not that I should be critical of persona splits, having tried out a
few myself... ;o(
Regards,
Brien
RaiD
says...
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:22:04 -0400, Patricia A. Shaffer
> <ra...@swva.net> wrote:
>
> >On the one
> >hand, you earn part of your living from cleaning up and preventing
> >damage from the very programs that, on the other hand, you and your
> >colleagues write, release and condone.
>
> both Doug and Vic?
>
> Brien
>
>
>
I'm paid to repair computers and networks; Regardless of what the problem
is. If it's a blown power supply am I to blame for it? If it's a virus,
am I to blame for it as well? Espicially if it's not one of mine? And
even if it is, Why's it my faul it's on that persons computer? I suppose
it's a good thing I'm removing it, usually antivirus scanners consider it
a loss. I don't have a split personality Brien. I'm paid to fix
computers... regardless of what's wrong with them.
Regards,
Raid
RaiD
says...
> Oops, for those interested but not in the know, David as Doug
> Winterspoon was the "good" guy persona offering out good sound advice,
> not unlike a VX equivalent of Nick.
> However as the "bad" guy Vic, David was into - writing a black
> manifesto, numerous underground articles, viruses and spreading them.
>
> Not that I should be critical of persona splits, having tried out a
> few myself... ;o(
More shit to try and sell your book eh brien? Your such a puts.
Regards,
Raid