Re: Caution SONY Music CDs have trojan Malware

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Dustin Cook

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Nov 3, 2005, 5:11:48 PM11/3/05
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relic wrote:

> Ignore Dustin, he's a self-appointed expert on things he knows little about.

Psst. Relic, get a clue, son. Look up raidslam virus writer. I know wtf
viruses are, rootkits etc, I've authored many of them, you freaking
idiot. :)

Checkout virusbulletin sometime if you don't believe me, I'm known by
fucking name (Dustin Cook/Raid) as the author of Toadie virus, Irok
virus, Krile, Creed, Kremlin, etc etc etc.

Better yet, Ask alt.comp.virus who I am, and if I know wtf i'm talking
about. I'll make it easier, I've crossposted it to them, you fucking
idiot.

Okay.. Off my soapbox now...

Regards,
Dustin Cook

Dustin Cook

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Nov 3, 2005, 5:12:24 PM11/3/05
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Sony Music CDs install Malware wrote:
> No, it's SONY that should be ashamed. You should read the lic. agreement for
> the nasty thing. There's no way anyone would realize they were installing
> software that uses sophisitcated rootkit techniques. And, yes, it is very
> difficult to remove. Simply deleting the files [once their cover's been torn
> off] usually renders the CD-ROM drive unusable. One "fix", for instance, was
> recently published by SONY, but it didn't actually remove it .. it simpled
> made the super-hidden files visible. So, no shame on the Register .. shame
> on SONY.

Do you know what the hell a rootkit even is? It doesn't really apply to
Windows, Unix has root user, not windows. As for a virus, the sony
modules do not replicate. They have no worm ability, they have no viral
infection ability. IE: They aren't viruses.

If you remove the files by force, and you can easily; they can't very
well hide if windows isn't running, now can they? Nope, they can't.
Various CDs are available to boot windows with full access to ntfs
without RUNNING YOUR OS. Which means, NO hiding anything. Files can be
done what you like with. When you reboot, yes, your cdrom drives are
busted. Several other apps break them, it's a known problem with them
and windows. Clone cd, easy cdcreator, hell, even a bad uninstall of
nero will break them. It consists of two registry keys to fix it.
Delete them, and reboot.

now aside from a general end user not knowing how to boot from a cd
such as a bart disc, or knowing how to use the registry editor, WHERE
IS THE DIFFICULTY?

Regards,
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.atspace.org

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Doug Chadduck

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Nov 3, 2005, 7:54:28 PM11/3/05
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Today's news has Sony eating the whole deal and offering software to
remove what they put into peoples machines. Check their website it says

Sony Music CDs install Malware wrote:

> Mr. Cook:
>
> We know already it's not necessarily a true virus. I put the term in my sig,
> more to get attention because "rootkit" wouldn't mean a thing to anyone
> whereas "virus" means lousy malicious software. For now on I will refer to
> the SONY software as "malware" or "diseased shitware".
>

Dustin Cook

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Nov 4, 2005, 1:22:46 AM11/4/05
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Sony Music CDs install Malware wrote:

> Hi Dustin - thanks for the reply:
>
> Well, it has been demonstarted it doesn't replicate .. yet. A better
> discription might have been "diseased shitware" rather than virus. My
> mistake.

diseased shitware sounds fine to me. DRM typically wouldn't have a need
to replicate. Replication is a pain in the ass, for compatability
reasons. Sony did what was best in terms of overall compatability for
windows. I'm not defending the stunt mind you, only respecting the
intent.

> I don't know what you are blabbering on about vis s vis rebooting computers.
> The SONY diseased shitware doesn't boot the computer, rather, it infests the
> computer. When the authors wrote the diseased shitware they employed rootkit
> techniques.

First of all, the blabbering was a pretty straight forward way of
removing the offending software; The software cannot hide if you use
ultimate boot cd, knoppix, bartpe, etc. The reason it cant hide is
because your computer is operating from that cd's OS, not it's own.
Since it's own OS was never loaded, neither was the offensive software.
None of it.

Second, It doesn't infest anything. The method it uses is actually
pretty clean, and a design of windows. The software is malicious only
in the sense you don't know what it's actually upto; Probably aren't
warned it's installed, and it can be a slightly tedious task of
removing it. But it's harm to your system isn't. It reroutes your cdrom
access thru it's own drivers. CloneCD does this as well. :) If you
remove it's drivers, windows disables cdrom; It isn't going to load
just any drivers, if it cant load the ones the registry says to; no
cdrom.

To remove it is a matter of cleaning up the files, theirs really no
need to play cat and mouse with it if you don't boot the host OS.
bartpe is a nice time saver. Once the files are gone, you can run
regedit from bart and mount the software hive, remove the offending
keys, unmount the hive, and reboot to the host OS. Windows will reset
your cdrom access back to it's own default drivers. If you have burning
software, you may need to reinstall it to re-enable burning features.

That's what I was blabbering about. :)

Graham...@gmail.com

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Nov 4, 2005, 3:50:38 AM11/4/05
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Go Dustin GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


> Okay.. Off my soapbox now...

get back on that soap box man.... makes entertaining reading.

G

Geo

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Nov 4, 2005, 5:10:20 AM11/4/05
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Dustin Cook wrote:

> To remove it is a matter of cleaning up the files, theirs really no
> need to play cat and mouse with it if you don't boot the host OS.
> bartpe is a nice time saver. Once the files are gone, you can run
> regedit from bart and mount the software hive, remove the offending
> keys, unmount the hive, and reboot to the host OS. Windows will reset
> your cdrom access back to it's own default drivers. If you have burning
> software, you may need to reinstall it to re-enable burning features.

And you think this is 'straight forward and easy', I've got no idea
what you're talking about, I don't even know what a 'hive' is let alone
how to [un]mount it !!!!

Towelie

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Nov 4, 2005, 6:25:35 AM11/4/05
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Dustin - so don't buy Sony. Your choice. Why use the issue to try to
prove your perceived intellectual superiority over others? Inferiority
complex? Can't handle being contradicted?

Virus writers: idiots who think they're clever cos they can write 3
lines of javascript.
Virus writers who loudly claim "credit" for their supposed creations:
even bigger idiots.
People who claim to be virus writers when they obviously are not, then
use this imaginary "skill" to present themselves as smarter than
everybody else: the biggest idiots of all.

Did I just hear a virus writer calling somebody "lamer"? Now that's
very funny indeed. Why do people stick with writing viruses? Because
its so ridiculously easy. Doesn't even require any coding skills or
understanding of programming techniques whatsoever. So obviously anyone
who trumpets his own virus-coding skills doesn't have any.

BTW anyone who thinks the Sony DRM thing is an issue needs to google
"NSA key".

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James Egan

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Nov 4, 2005, 8:22:53 AM11/4/05
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On 4 Nov 2005 02:10:20 -0800, "Geo" <g...@remm.org> wrote:

>And you think this is 'straight forward and easy', I've got no idea
>what you're talking about, I don't even know what a 'hive' is let alone
>how to [un]mount it !!!!

You can pick it up easily enough from regedit help which tells you the
locations of the registry hive files. Editing with (bartpe) regedit is
simply a matter of selecting one of the files and loading it to a
temporary name of your choice. Edit using regedit in the normal way to
make the changes and unmount it simply by clicking on
File->Unload_Hive.


Jim.

James Egan

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Nov 4, 2005, 8:41:04 AM11/4/05
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:15:43 -0500, "Sony Music CDs install Malware"
<trunk@.box.suitcase> wrote:

>Dustin is Wrong 1. That's not 'easy' removal DustinThat's skilled removal by
>someone who knows the system and registry very well as well as some of the
>tools that are available.

Actually, he did say "aside from a general end user not knowing how to


boot from a cd such as a bart disc, or knowing how to use the registry

editor" before saying it was easy. With those qualifications, it *is*
easy.

>
>Dustin is Wrong 2. And it is an infestation if special tools are needed for
>a removal.

You won't find many (if any) in acv agreeing with that definition of
malware "infestation".


Jim.

Dustin Cook

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Nov 4, 2005, 10:49:39 AM11/4/05
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Towelie wrote:

> Dustin - so don't buy Sony. Your choice. Why use the issue to try to
> prove your perceived intellectual superiority over others? Inferiority
> complex? Can't handle being contradicted?

What in the world are you talking about? I'm not trying to prove any
superiority, I'm simply wanting some individuals who should know
better, like the register, from reporting inaccurate information, thats
all.

> Virus writers: idiots who think they're clever cos they can write 3
> lines of javascript.
> Virus writers who loudly claim "credit" for their supposed creations:
> even bigger idiots.

javascript? Kiddo, Mine were exe/com infectors. I don't need to claim
credit, I'm already published by name in virusbulletin, damn near 6
years ago.

> People who claim to be virus writers when they obviously are not, then
> use this imaginary "skill" to present themselves as smarter than
> everybody else: the biggest idiots of all.

When they are obviously not? Sigh. I don't know how to make this any
simpler for you, I am Raid; I am a former well known virus writer. Why
in the hell would anybody claim to be this individual of all people, if
they were not? If you were a coder, you could see for yourself.
BugHunter is a legitimate application, but all programmers like bomb
makers have a certain signature. You'd find the coding style used on
BugHunter matches the coding style used on viruses and other malware
(war dialers, etc) written by Raid (me).

> Did I just hear a virus writer calling somebody "lamer"? Now that's
> very funny indeed. Why do people stick with writing viruses? Because
> its so ridiculously easy. Doesn't even require any coding skills or
> understanding of programming techniques whatsoever. So obviously anyone
> who trumpets his own virus-coding skills doesn't have any.

Indeed. If your writing scripts, like javascript. :) I don't.
Incidently, you don't read so well; I'm retired. Have been for a very
long time now. Aside from maintaining contact with some old friends on
both sides, I have nothing to do directly with the Vx scene. My
interests are in malware removal, not it's creation.

> BTW anyone who thinks the Sony DRM thing is an issue needs to google
> "NSA key".

I do not feel the sony thing is that big of an issue. It's sneaky, but
something similiar was already released on the new foo fighters. It
just didn't make such an effort to hide itself.

Regards,
Dustin Cook

Dustin Cook

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James Egan wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:15:43 -0500, "Sony Music CDs install Malware"
> <trunk@.box.suitcase> wrote:
>
> >Dustin is Wrong 1. That's not 'easy' removal DustinThat's skilled removal by
> >someone who knows the system and registry very well as well as some of the
> >tools that are available.
>
> Actually, he did say "aside from a general end user not knowing how to
> boot from a cd such as a bart disc, or knowing how to use the registry
> editor" before saying it was easy. With those qualifications, it *is*
> easy.

heh. Hi James. Long time. :)

> >
> >Dustin is Wrong 2. And it is an infestation if special tools are needed for
> >a removal.
>
> You won't find many (if any) in acv agreeing with that definition of
> malware "infestation".

Nope.. He sure won't. Laugh Laugh. Poor slob doesn't know what a virus
even is. Nor a rootkit, nor a worm. Sony's amusing little program
doesn't meet the criteria of any of them.

Art

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On 4 Nov 2005 07:49:39 -0800, "Dustin Cook"
<bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I do not feel the sony thing is that big of an issue. It's sneaky, but
>something similiar was already released on the new foo fighters. It
>just didn't make such an effort to hide itself.

I thought it was the lack of a uninstall that was the big issue. Has
that been fixed? If a typical consumer/user is faced with having to
pay a expensive repair bill to have (possibly buggy) sw removed from
his PC, I'd say it's a big deal indeed.

Other issues such as continual added overhead (cpu/RAM useage) are
perhaps minor issues which most wouldn't consider a big deal nowdays
... providing they are minor.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Gabriele Neukam

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Nov 4, 2005, 12:24:45 PM11/4/05
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On that special day, Dustin Cook, (bughunte...@gmail.com) said...

> Nor a rootkit, nor a worm. Sony's amusing little program
> doesn't meet the criteria of any of them.

I've seen it being named "rootkit" (behaviour) on a reputable German
site, the heise newsticker (something like register for Germans). They
used this term a bit loosely, because the original version was meant to
hide all processes and threads from the system, that begin with $sys$

That isn't exact science, of course, just meant to alert the readers
about this scumware.


Gabriele Neukam

Gabriele.Spam...@t-online.de


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just so, at no cost.

Dustin Cook

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Nov 4, 2005, 12:48:37 PM11/4/05
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Art wrote:

> I thought it was the lack of a uninstall that was the big issue. Has
> that been fixed? If a typical consumer/user is faced with having to
> pay a expensive repair bill to have (possibly buggy) sw removed from
> his PC, I'd say it's a big deal indeed.

Not the uninstall per say, just the fact the program makes an active
effort to conseal some of it's files it needs. Of course, Sony didn't
tell anybody they intended to install this wonderful little program.
That probably irked most users.

Rebecca

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Nov 4, 2005, 1:53:33 PM11/4/05
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> Towelie wrote:
>
>> Dustin - so don't buy Sony. Your choice. Why use the issue to try to
>> prove your perceived intellectual superiority over others?
>> Inferiority complex? Can't handle being contradicted?
>
> What in the world are you talking about? I'm not trying to prove any
> superiority,

That's good. You'd be laughed out of town if you did.


Dustin Cook

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Nov 4, 2005, 2:17:26 PM11/4/05
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Rebecca wrote:

> That's good. You'd be laughed out of town if you did.

Do you honestly think anyone on these newsgroups shares your opinion?
This isn't alt.trolls, idiot. If you don't know IT, you don't belong
here. :) And uhh, we both know you don't have any IT skills. heh..
Google user posting history, nice feature no?

I enjoyed roasting your friend Relic over the coals. It was alot of
fun. Where's he been anyhow? I haven't seen a response. He hasn't
listed any viruses to his credit, come to think of it, he hasn't listed
any actual code to his credit. Oops, maybe that's because he's not a
coder; he's just a fucktard dimwit much like yourself who wanted to
play troll flaming games with the wrong person. You just never know
who's going to post on usenet. Flame on, you non coding little pissant.

Dustin Cook

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Nov 4, 2005, 2:27:36 PM11/4/05
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Gra...@nospam.com wrote:

> Go Dustin GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heh. I got a bit carried away. I've never been tolerant of stupid
people. And to think, I had full intentions of just being a "nice" guy
on usenet. Never showing people up for the snotnosed little slimeballs
they might be. And what do you know, some retarded non coding little
lamer by the silly name of Relic (like the fuckin movie, you tard?)
wants to run his mouth about things he has no clue on. Coding for one,
viruses for another. heh. He could have saved so much time and
embarrasement, how many more clues about Raid and Dustin being the same
person does one need before it sinks into their thick dimwitted skulls?
Wasn't it a huge topic of discussion here some years ago? Heh. A little
bit of research goes a long ways.

Have some crow Relic, you snotnosed little fucktard. I hear it's great
this time of year.

Dustin Cook

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Nov 4, 2005, 2:31:46 PM11/4/05
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James Egan wrote:

> You can pick it up easily enough from regedit help which tells you the
> locations of the registry hive files. Editing with (bartpe) regedit is
> simply a matter of selecting one of the files and loading it to a
> temporary name of your choice. Edit using regedit in the normal way to
> make the changes and unmount it simply by clicking on
> File->Unload_Hive.

I'm beginning to think after reading/responding to the posts in the
last few days, The people have only gotten dumber since I retired;
certainly not wiser. Dumb and mouthy...Stupid is as stupid does as they
say. They don't read before hitting post, they don't check "help" at
all, They don't do any background checking before they claim you don't
know this or that. They are helplessly stupid individuals.

Damian

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Nov 4, 2005, 2:41:42 PM11/4/05
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While your self-analysis is spot-on, don't be so hard on yourself.

Er... on second thought, with all that self-loathing, why don't you just go
neck yourself?


bughunte...@gmail.com

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Nov 4, 2005, 2:59:13 PM11/4/05
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Damian wrote:

> While your self-analysis is spot-on, don't be so hard on yourself.

Your trolling skills are wearing a bit thin. If you go too much lower,
I'll need my nephew. He's 5. He would know more about rubber/glue crap
then I remember. Seems his skills and yours are about the same tho. I'm
not sure, I think he might outsmart ya. :)

relic

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Nov 4, 2005, 3:05:09 PM11/4/05
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You couldn't roast anyone, you're too insignificant.

Where did you form the idiotic notion that claiming to be a coder has made
you something to be in awe of? I was fixing code when you were in diapers. I
have no inner need to try to impress like you... as I've said before, fuck
off twerp.

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That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.


Dustin Cook

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relic wrote:

> Where did you form the idiotic notion that claiming to be a coder has made
> you something to be in awe of? I was fixing code when you were in diapers. I
> have no inner need to try to impress like you... as I've said before, fuck
> off twerp.

There you go again with the claiming. You and your ignorant trolling
little pissant friends are the only idiots who haven't got a clue. Do
you have any idea of the amusement your providing for alt.comp.virus?
Heh. You know, you could just oh, hell; google dustin and raid. The
results would have saved you alot of egg. :) You were coding while I
was in diapers huh? For some reason, I doubt it. But, I could be wrong.

So what code have you written then? I'm asking, point blank. Show me
the code, fucknut.

Rebecca

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Nov 4, 2005, 3:36:36 PM11/4/05
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> You know, you could just oh, hell; google dustin and raid.


Why would anyone but you give a shit. Fuck off.


Damian

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Nov 4, 2005, 3:56:55 PM11/4/05
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I'll bet you'd enjoy seeing how much of a fool he has made of himself if you
googled Groups. Surely, his posts have always been as revealing as they are
now.


relic

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Nov 4, 2005, 4:00:43 PM11/4/05
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At first I just thought your reading comprehension was poor, now I believe
you actually can't even read. Take a remedial reading course, I'm not going
to explain what was written for you.

Dustin Cook

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relic wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > relic wrote:
> >
> >> Where did you form the idiotic notion that claiming to be a coder
> >> has made you something to be in awe of? I was fixing code when you
> >> were in diapers. I have no inner need to try to impress like you...
> >> as I've said before, fuck off twerp.
> >
> > There you go again with the claiming. You and your ignorant trolling
> > little pissant friends are the only idiots who haven't got a clue. Do
> > you have any idea of the amusement your providing for alt.comp.virus?
> > Heh. You know, you could just oh, hell; google dustin and raid. The
> > results would have saved you alot of egg. :) You were coding while I
> > was in diapers huh? For some reason, I doubt it. But, I could be
> > wrong.
> >
> > So what code have you written then? I'm asking, point blank. Show me
> > the code, fucknut.
>
> At first I just thought your reading comprehension was poor, now I believe
> you actually can't even read. Take a remedial reading course, I'm not going
> to explain what was written for you.

I left the entire quote simply for the amusement factor. It's painfully
obvious your grasping at straws. Your unable to defend anything I've
said about you. I'm still not sure whether I should call you a fucktard
or a fucknut, or just a fucking moron. Either way, You've made my point
hit home far harder then if I hit a homerun myself. Good job, you
fucking non-coding trolling pile of shit.

Damian

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Nov 4, 2005, 4:31:33 PM11/4/05
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He nailed you perfectly, dustbin. Fuck off.


Dustin Cook

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Nov 4, 2005, 4:45:45 PM11/4/05
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Damian wrote:

> He nailed you perfectly, dustbin. Fuck off.

Yea. He sure did man, Silly me. How dare I think otherwise. /sarcasm.

Regards,
Dustin Cook

Dustin Cook

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Sony Music CDs install Malware wrote:

> Dustin is Wrong 1. That's not 'easy' removal DustinThat's skilled removal by
> someone who knows the system and registry very well as well as some of the
> tools that are available.

Another poster already pointed out the sheer ease in which someone
could remove the sony material. I appreciate the compliments tho. I
don't share the concept. I don't believe what I layed out is only for
those who are skilled. If you think that's skill, then I'm sorry for
you.

> Dustin is Wrong 2. And it is an infestation if special tools are needed for

> a removal. A while-the-system-is running Reg key delete and file delete is
> simple removal .. what you are describing is not .. what you are describing
> is removing a diseased infection.

Nobody in alt.comp.virus would agree with that. You need to learn what
infection is.

Art

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Nov 4, 2005, 5:30:15 PM11/4/05
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On 4 Nov 2005 09:48:37 -0800, "Dustin Cook"
<bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote:

I see Sony has offered a remover:

http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html

The other concern I've seen has been the security vulnerability
issue, which Sony, of course, disclaims. Also, I have no idea how real
or valid this might be, but the fear is that if a user is hit with
another root kit the resulting low level conflicts will render the PC
unuseable. If this is true, it would seem we're heading for eventual
legislation banning so-called cloaking technology.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Dustin Cook

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Nov 4, 2005, 5:36:25 PM11/4/05
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Art wrote:

> I see Sony has offered a remover:
>
> http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html
>
> The other concern I've seen has been the security vulnerability
> issue, which Sony, of course, disclaims. Also, I have no idea how real
> or valid this might be, but the fear is that if a user is hit with
> another root kit the resulting low level conflicts will render the PC
> unuseable. If this is true, it would seem we're heading for eventual
> legislation banning so-called cloaking technology.

Yes. That's what bothers me. the cloaking technology per say isn't bad.
What happens if I'm using a modified copy of VNC, and It doesn't appear
in task manager? This "rootkit" nonsense would make it illegal.

Art, refresh my memory if you don't mind. Didn't we used to call
applications that hid their presence, stealth? When did this rootkit
terminology replace that?

Rebecca

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Nov 4, 2005, 5:59:18 PM11/4/05
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Dustin Cook wrote:
> Damian wrote:
>
>> He nailed you perfectly, dustbin. Fuck off.
>
> Yea. He sure did man, Silly me. How dare I think otherwise.


Your admission that you can't comprehend what was written is noted.


Art

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On 4 Nov 2005 14:36:25 -0800, "Dustin Cook"
<bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think stealth has been replaced by root kit and cloacking. The
old stealth viruses are still stealth viruses, for example. I suppose
one might consider root kits as a subset of stealth malware just as
some view worms as a subset of viruses. But that's just my impression.
I don't recall seeing a terminolgy discussion/debate on that subject
here.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Jeffrey A. Setaro

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Nov 4, 2005, 7:13:42 PM11/4/05
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Art; what Sony/BMG is offering is not an uninstaller... It's a
de-cloaker. The patch removes the rootkit driver but leaves the DRM
software behind.

Read Mark Russinovich latest blog entry for full details.

<http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/11/more-on-sony-dangerous-decloaking.html>

Cheers-

Jeff Setaro
jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net
http://people.mags.net/jasetaro/
PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 New RSA: 0xA19EBD34

Art

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Nov 4, 2005, 7:24:25 PM11/4/05
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:13:42 -0500, Jeffrey A. Setaro
<jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net> wrote:

>>I see Sony has offered a remover:
>>http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html

>Art; what Sony/BMG is offering is not an uninstaller... It's a


>de-cloaker. The patch removes the rootkit driver but leaves the DRM
>software behind.

You're right. Terminology twist. I was thinking of the "uninstall" of
the cloaking portion.

>Read Mark Russinovich latest blog entry for full details.
>
><http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/11/more-on-sony-dangerous-decloaking.html>

Art

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Dustin Cook

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relic wrote:

> Well I'll be... even though I knew he was lying about his "famed" past
> exploits, I didn't think him intelligent enough to send spam. At least not
> without using his real mail address.

Sigh. I'm using google. The address is the same as listed on Bughunter
support website. I haven't exactly tried to hide a contact point,
unlike yourself. :)

As far as lying goes, I'm well aware you know better. Do I intimidate
you son? I'm harmless. I don't write viruses/worms anymore, and haven't
in sometime. I'm only interested in malware in the form of
spyware/adware. Do you really think you impress anybody by avoiding my
questions? Did somebody tell you, if someone asks you a question you
cant answer, avoiding it is the best policy? If so, you should smack
them. They lied to you.

I could ask you questions about code all day long, knowing you couldn't
answer any of them. Well, aside from a "I told you to fuck off" comment
or something similiar. I didn't see you make any posts discussing the
sony drm garbage, aside from cheap flamer bait antics towards myself.
And for what? Heh, because I chewed an end user who could have helped
himself and others out of a jam? He's still complaining whatever the
file belongs too is asking for it. Did it ever occur to you, that file
he erased might have had the information on it's host? Configuration
data. Something that could tell me or someone else what is still
lurking on his box asking for it. Oh, that's right; You aren't a coder.
You wouldn't know that , would you... heh.

So really, Other then tit for tat flaming, what have you accomplished
in the past few days?
Do you really think these messages trading shots.. Well, not really
trading; seems your shooting blanks..somehow bothers me? I checked out
your posts under relic, it would have been wise for you to checkout the
ones i mentioned days ago before we got this far. It would have saved
you some time and trouble. Since you can't be bothered tho, I'll save
you the trouble. I don't back down for anyone. I'm not intimidated by
anyone here now or when I was more active as a Vxer years ago. Oh, and
one more thing, The reason I love coding so much, is it's so easy to
prove or disprove what someone claims with it, you gain nothing in the
long run by stealing others code. It's a good way to keep some of us
honest.

I'm not here nor really interested in continuing pointless postsall
over the place. I'm here to lurk and occasionally post. To help if I
can. I've wasted enough time with this. I apologized already for
"spamming" in one group announcing the program, and I've apologized for
daring to ask for a sample to help someone.

Good Day kiddo,
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.atspace.org

Simon.

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on Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:24:25 GMT, Art <nu...@zilch.com> wrote this wisdom:

>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:13:42 -0500, Jeffrey A. Setaro
><jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net> wrote:
>
>>>I see Sony has offered a remover:
>>>http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html
>
>>Art; what Sony/BMG is offering is not an uninstaller... It's a
>>de-cloaker. The patch removes the rootkit driver but leaves the DRM
>>software behind.

And you would be willing to install MORE software that SAYS it will decloak the
old software?

What if this program simply replaced the old software with something even worse?

Are YOU going to trust SONY after the mess they made first time?

I think not ...

>You're right. Terminology twist. I was thinking of the "uninstall" of
>the cloaking portion.
>
>>Read Mark Russinovich latest blog entry for full details.
>>
>><http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/11/more-on-sony-dangerous-decloaking.html>
>
>Art
>
>http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

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Dustin Cook wrote:
>
>> Well I'll be

Fudk off dustbin. You are a fool and no one gives a fuck what you think.

Gabriele Neukam

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On that special day, Art, (nu...@zilch.com) said...

> I suppose
> one might consider root kits as a subset of stealth malware just as
> some view worms as a subset of viruses. But that's just my impression.
> I don't recall seeing a terminolgy discussion/debate on that subject
> here.

Then it is bound to happen now. Few have an idea, what Stealth is, and
although I have been interested in virus question for nearly ten years,
I may be wrong.

I remember that stealth viruses would be sitting in the MBR, putting
the content of the original one into a different place, and when a
scanner would come along and try to read the MBR in order to check for
unwanted things, the (memory resident) virus would intercept this query
and present the scanner with the stored original MBR content as a
"result".

This is kind of hiding, too, although it isn't cloaking as in "run a
driver that makes everything that begins with $sys$ unnoticeable".

But the idea behind it is similar. Yet, the stealth virus would only
behave in one specific, determined way, while a driver allows for
interesting side effects, like the one that circumvents the Warden
memory scanning.


Gabriele Neukam

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Gabriele Neukam wrote:

> I remember that stealth viruses would be sitting in the MBR, putting
> the content of the original one into a different place, and when a
> scanner would come along and try to read the MBR in order to check for
> unwanted things, the (memory resident) virus would intercept this query
> and present the scanner with the stored original MBR content as a
> "result".

Thats an MBR stealth infector.

> This is kind of hiding, too, although it isn't cloaking as in "run a
> driver that makes everything that begins with $sys$ unnoticeable".

No, but memory resident exe/com stealth infectors could. :)
They were able to prevent anything from noticing changes made to the
host executable, should something come along and want to scan it. It
did this by intercepting findfirst/findnextf routines. This is quiet
similiar to a windows system driver service.

> But the idea behind it is similar. Yet, the stealth virus would only
> behave in one specific, determined way, while a driver allows for
> interesting side effects, like the one that circumvents the Warden
> memory scanning.

The concept is close. The hidden driver sony installs is remapping a
few api calls to stealth items found during findfirst/findnextf
routines. It's filtering. And useful for things beside sony. heh.

Regards,
Dustin Cook

Dustin Cook

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Rebecca wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> > Towelie wrote:
> >
> >> Dustin - so don't buy Sony. Your choice. Why use the issue to try to
> >> prove your perceived intellectual superiority over others?
> >> Inferiority complex? Can't handle being contradicted?
> >
> > What in the world are you talking about? I'm not trying to prove any
> > superiority,

>
> That's good. You'd be laughed out of town if you did.

Uh huh. So tell me something wiz, Why are you using such insecure
software for usenet? Incapable of installing better software?

"X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670"

Entertaining. heh...

Dustin Cook

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relic wrote:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
> >
> >> Well I'll be
>
> Fudk off dustbin. You are a fool and no one gives a fuck what you think.

Muahaha. I knew I 0wned your stupid punkass posts ago. Unf.

Thanks Bitch,
Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.atspace.org

Ken

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Nov 5, 2005, 1:46:47 PM11/5/05
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What if he turned off the dangerous services... that would take a few
seconds... to change news readers would take him seconds longer. Why
bother? People who know are safe. People who dont need to take the
longer road.

Aratzio

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On 5 Nov 2005 10:32:42 -0800, "Dustin Cook"
<bughunte...@gmail.com> got double secret probation because:

Now quick run away before he can respond and you can claim you got the
last word too.

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relic

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Obviously dustbin hasn't a clue.

Jeffrey A. Setaro

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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:22:25 GMT, Simon.
<sj_brad...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

>on Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:24:25 GMT, Art <nu...@zilch.com> wrote this wisdom:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:13:42 -0500, Jeffrey A. Setaro
>><jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>I see Sony has offered a remover:
>>>>http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html
>>
>>>Art; what Sony/BMG is offering is not an uninstaller... It's a
>>>de-cloaker. The patch removes the rootkit driver but leaves the DRM
>>>software behind.
>
>And you would be willing to install MORE software that SAYS it will decloak the
>old software?
>

Nope... I've got backup images of my system going back several weeks.
I can wipe my system and restore from a clean image if I need to. @#$%
Sony and their patch!

>What if this program simply replaced the old software with something even worse?
>

Sony should review the federal trial courts ruling in the case of
Sotelo v. Direct Revenue. In its ruling, the court held that the
ancient legal doctrine of trespass to chattels (meaning trespass to
personal property) applies to the interference caused to home
computers by spyware.

See
<http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/ericjsinrod/2005-10-11-spyware_x.htm>
for good overview of the case.

>Are YOU going to trust SONY after the mess they made first time?
>

Nope... But then I didn't trust Sony to begin with.

Jeffrey A. Setaro

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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:10:31 GMT, m...@tadyatam.invalid wrote:


>
>Quite interesting. Thanks Jeff.
>

Your welcome... I especially like the link to the NPR story where a
Sony BMG rep says "Most people I think don't even know what a root kit
is so why should they care about it"

<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4989260>

Dumb, real dumb... Note to Sony: If you're going to kick a sleeping
tiger in the ass make sure you have a plan for dealing with the teeth
first...

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Dustin Cook wrote:
> relic wrote:
>
> > Where did you form the idiotic notion that claiming to be a coder has made
> > you something to be in awe of? I was fixing code when you were in diapers. I
> > have no inner need to try to impress like you... as I've said before, fuck
> > off twerp.
>
> There you go again with the claiming. You and your ignorant trolling
> little pissant friends are the only idiots who haven't got a clue. Do
> you have any idea of the amusement your providing for alt.comp.virus?

*hehe* Good old classic Raid flame stuff... Dustin Cook is Raid.
He's a ACV flame legend and well known coder. Author of loads of
stuff and technically competent.

If you have made a logic error in your argument it won't be long
before Raidy wipes the floor with you. :))

Just thought I'd help, from ACV.

4Q (The Devil's Cyber Advocate)

relic

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Lordy, lordy... youse got me shakin' in my boots.

BTW, Dustbin is a piece of shit.


4Q

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Sorry. :(

>
> BTW, Dustbin is a piece of shit.

Well lots of people have said that of him (even me sometimes)
but he's actually not too bad. Just watch he doesn't accidently
run you over with his truck.

impartial observer. "I think the drunk guy just walked out into
the road, officer" ;]]

Kadaitcha Man

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4Q, <paul...@hushmail.com>, the poached, ill-formed tally-whacker, and
window cleaner, poured out:

> Dustin Cook wrote:
>> relic wrote:
>>
>>> Where did you form the idiotic notion that claiming to be a coder
>>> has made you something to be in awe of? I was fixing code when you
>>> were in diapers. I have no inner need to try to impress like you...
>>> as I've said before, fuck off twerp.
>>
>> There you go again with the claiming. You and your ignorant trolling
>> little pissant friends are the only idiots who haven't got a clue. Do
>> you have any idea of the amusement your providing for alt.comp.virus?
>
> *hehe* Good old classic Raid flame stuff... Dustin Cook is Raid.
> He's a ACV flame legend and well known coder.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

> Author of loads of
> stuff and technically competent.
>
> If you have made a logic error in your argument it won't be long
> before Raidy wipes the floor with you. :))
>
> Just thought I'd help, from ACV.

Dustbin Kook needs all the help he can get. He's already been made to squeal
apologies for something he didn't do. He's a fucking limp-wristed fairy.

> 4Q (The Devil's Cyber Advocate)

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Kadaitcha Man wrote:
> 4Q, <paul...@hushmail.com>, the poached, ill-formed tally-whacker, and
> window cleaner, poured out:
> > Dustin Cook wrote:
> >> relic wrote:

> >
> > *hehe* Good old classic Raid flame stuff... Dustin Cook is Raid.
> > He's a ACV flame legend and well known coder.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*shrug* Well his flames entertained me and a few others.


> > Author of loads of
> > stuff and technically competent.
> >
> > If you have made a logic error in your argument it won't be long
> > before Raidy wipes the floor with you. :))
> >
> > Just thought I'd help, from ACV.
>
> Dustbin Kook needs all the help he can get.

I doubt it. But maybe he's quietened down a lot recently.

> He's already been made to squeal
> apologies for something he didn't do. He's a fucking limp-wristed fairy.

Now that is the kind of fuel to pour on Raid's fire.
I'm just going to stand back and watch. Looking forward
to getting a good laugh out of this.

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Great disclaimer btw.

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4Q, <paul...@hushmail.com>, the repetitive, abhorrent waiter, and
innkeeper of the pub, expanded:

> Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>> 4Q, <paul...@hushmail.com>, the poached, ill-formed tally-whacker,
>> and window cleaner, poured out:
>>> Dustin Cook wrote:
>>>> relic wrote:
>
>>>
>>> *hehe* Good old classic Raid flame stuff... Dustin Cook is Raid.
>>> He's a ACV flame legend and well known coder.
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> *shrug* Well his flames entertained me and a few others.
>
>
>>> Author of loads of
>>> stuff and technically competent.
>>>
>>> If you have made a logic error in your argument it won't be long
>>> before Raidy wipes the floor with you. :))
>>>
>>> Just thought I'd help, from ACV.
>>
>> Dustbin Kook needs all the help he can get.
>
> I doubt it. But maybe he's quietened down a lot recently.
>
>> He's already been made to squeal
>> apologies for something he didn't do. He's a fucking limp-wristed
>> fairy.
>
> Now that is the kind of fuel to pour on Raid's fire.
> I'm just going to stand back and watch. Looking forward
> to getting a good laugh out of this.

Don't bother waiting. You can laugh now. Watch your hero obsequiously
acquiesce to his master:

From: "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.spyware,alt.windows-xp
Subject: Re: netKKKop alert - Dustin Cook
Date: 3 Nov 2005 19:51:13 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Message-ID: <1131076272.9...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.191.231.21

Kadaitcha Man wrote:

> But you're good at snecking groups, you fucking coward.

Coward? Lol, okay. I don't know what snecking is, and I'm not concerned
enough to look it up. Shrug. This whole thing started apparently? when
I complained about some user wasting a viable sample of something that
might be new, might already be known. Simply no way of knowing now.
I've already apologized for making such a grievous error, I'm not sure
what else I can possibly do to satisfy your flaming appetite... Lol.

So... once again, Sorry? heh.

Dustin Cook
http://bughunter.atspace.org

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Well I recently heard he's dying so I guess he's got
better things to clear up on the coding and project front,
rather than endless flamewars.

Meanwhile I've got to get back to my own Google Groups
grepping code.


:))

4Q

Kadaitcha Man

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Hopefully, he will hurry up.

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Kadaitcha Man wrote:
> 4Q, <paul...@hushmail.com>, the huffy, knocked-out bus driver, and
> cloakroom attendant, whimpered:
> > Kadaitcha Man wrote:
> >> 4Q, <paul...@hushmail.com>, the repetitive, abhorrent waiter, and
> >> innkeeper of the pub, expanded:
> >>> Kadaitcha Man wrote:
> >>>> 4Q, <paul...@hushmail.com>, the poached, ill-formed
> >>>> tally-whacker, and window cleaner, poured out:
> >>>>> Dustin Cook wrote:
> >>>>>> relic wrote:
> >

> >
> > Well I recently heard he's dying
>
> Hopefully, he will hurry up.

*HAHAHA* Well I was going to say "shame on you" but
I must admit I laughed instead.


4Q

Kadaitcha Man

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4Q, <paul...@hushmail.com>, the self-contradictory, tawdry hunchback, and
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That's fortunate for you. I cannot be shamed.

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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 03:10:16 GMT, "relic"
<compl...@relic211.cjb.net> got double secret probation because:

WOW, so that was *classic flame stuff*. I can see the world shaking in
fear at such flaming prowess. My gawd the destruction that could be
leveled upon usenet should he ever choose to depart those dank
dungeons of ACV for the more civilized portions of usenet. Woe is to
the flonker, meower or auker caught in the maw of that flame gawd.
Please do not antogonize Dustbin any further.

That or Dustbin could just put a dribble cup under his chan and keep
his drool to himself.

'Ratz

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On 5 Nov 2005 19:57:19 -0800, "4Q" <paul...@hushmail.com> got double
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>*shrug* Well his flames entertained me and a few others.

Easily entertained.

Aratzio

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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:56:17 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
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>
>Don't bother waiting. You can laugh now. Watch your hero obsequiously
>acquiesce to his master:

I do find it interesting these l33t coders use google to poast.

Kadaitcha Man

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> On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:56:17 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man"
> <nos...@fuck-off-and-die.com> got double secret probation because:
>
>>
>> Don't bother waiting. You can laugh now. Watch your hero obsequiously
>> acquiesce to his master:
>
> I do find it interesting these l33t coders use google to poast.

I consider all google posters to be no better than AOLers.

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