stalker pax
blooven
phone numbers you used to call @HOME with?? you liar and loser
PaX wrote:
>
> >>>>> I'd ditch this loser netcopping slime as soon as I could if I was you.
> > Distance yourself - because to be such a wad as he is and still have
> > the nerve to netcop someone will be his undoing<<<
>
> Not actually interested much in what people do...however when the actions of
> a script kiddy could get one of my friends into deep strife then I will jump
> in with both feet.
?? what the hell is this about - hmm - clearly a psychological giveaway
that you feel guilt - have you ever seen someone who has committed a
crime under questioning by the police? this is how they try to deflect
their guilt when they arrogantly and erroneously think they are smarter
than the person questioning them - a clear giveaway of guilt - nice
You continually raise the anty and dig yourself deeper and deeper
by aggressively trying to out wit the accuser.
> I don't tend to bother with the usual ab...@blah.com type of complaints..I'm
> more into the "Phone provider from work" kind..they tend to have a lot more
> effect.
All you are doing is admitting to using the phone to commit fraud and
stalking now, lol are you stupid.
Does your employer know you are using company phones to pursue your
perverted stalking? In America this leads to job termination. Does it
in England?
Do you have a legal penalty in England for using the phone to stalk
someone?? lol
> Tell ya what Verdick or whatever..I'll give you the phone numbers and
> contact details for the members of the FBI that you would need to speak to
> to get an extradition order and the members of the UK goverment that would
> be involved,hell i'm feeling generous so what about I give you many of their
> home numbers too?
post them - post all of them you want - you keep raising the bar on this
like a desperate fool
> So before you go calling the "Feds" how about telling everybody what viruses
> I have written?What people/machines I have personally been responsible for
> infecting?The value of the said damage?What laws in my own or other
> countries I have broken?
> Also could you please provide forensic evidence to the above facts?
dude your own posts from the past answer EVERY single one of your
questions - you arrogant braggard fool - lol
> My undoing?? hahah I've had many people in more of a position to do me harm
> than you try that little boy...
Again another psychological giveaway that you are full of shit and
scared -
> As Cyc mentioned earlier in this thread..Yup I have been to the US many
he never said anything like this BSer
> times...Great country,had loads of fun there.Pretty much every American I
> met while I was there was a decent person..
talking like this is a real psychological give away that what you are
saying is BS - lol
> If you want to know more about "getting busted" in the UK I can also provide
> you with contact details for Crissy Pile..(Black Baron) hes the only person
> ever to be busted in the UK over virus damage(he didn't get done for writing
another psychological giveaway that your are a BSer - don't you realize
how transparent you are ?
just give me the names of the people at Scotland Yard you visited and
not this bullshit - lol
> viruses)..why don't you give him the benefit of your massive legal
> experience?
> As it happens boy you are the one sailing closer to the law than I am...and
> I mean the laws of your own country NOT mine:)...
lol - who the hell are you trying to BS
> anyways I've wasted enough time on you...go play in the sand with the other
> nobodys...
>
you are the biggest BSer and nobody on this newsgroup - you have
everyone else beat hands down.
what you aren't gonna plonk me for the 3rd time?? lol you multiplonker
Raid
> your integrity and honesty is zero - how about you post the
> phone numbers you used to call @HOME with?? you liar and loser
You still fail to answer my questions. Which code did I steal, and from whom?
You have no integrity nor do you have any respect. As for credibility.. laugh,
we won't even go there.
> You continually raise the anty and dig yourself deeper and deeper
> by aggressively trying to out wit the accuser.
Aren't you doing the same? Accusing and then making a mad dash for the border? :)
> All you are doing is admitting to using the phone to commit fraud and
> stalking now, lol are you stupid.
How is calling you stalking? It's not illegal for someone to call you up on the
phone. So long as they don't harrass you.
> Does your employer know you are using company phones to pursue your
> perverted stalking? In America this leads to job termination. Does it
> in England?
In america, calling someone a code theif when you have no proof is slander. Good
thing I don't use my real name, huh kiddo?
> post them - post all of them you want - you keep raising the bar on this
> like a desperate fool
From where I'm sitting, the only fool I see is you.
> talking like this is a real psychological give away that what you are
> saying is BS - lol
He might be talking BS, but you sure as hell invented it.
> just give me the names of the people at Scotland Yard you visited and
> not this bullshit - lol
So uhh, how about that information bub? Which code did I steal, and from which
virus?
> you are the biggest BSer and nobody on this newsgroup - you have
> everyone else beat hands down.
I dunno. I'd say if we were to take a vote, You'd probably win by a landslide.
Regards,
Raid [slam]
PaX
> phone numbers you used to call @HOME with?? you liar and loser<<<
Nzinga Simpson
Head of Risk Management AT &T
Legal Demands Center
001(800)871-6298 or 001(720)267-2685
(720)267-2794 - Fax
I believe you owe RaiD an answer to his question dont you??
>>>>> Does your employer know you are using company phones to pursue your
> perverted stalking? In America this leads to job termination. Does it
> in England?<<<<<<<
Depends on who your employer is...
RaiD said:In america, calling someone a code theif when you have no proof is
slander. Good
thing I don't use my real name, huh kiddo?<<<<<<
Good thing I do then isn't it mate ;)
To requote RaiDs question:So uhh, how about that information bub? Which code
did I steal, and from which
virus?<<<<
There you go child..you have an answer now what about RaiDs?
rgrds D.D.Shelby
blooven
blooven
>
> blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message news:<3B2CEBCE...@blooven.blooven>...
>
> > your integrity and honesty is zero - how about you post the
> > phone numbers you used to call @HOME with?? you liar and loser
>
> You still fail to answer my questions. Which code did I steal, and from whom?
> You have no integrity nor do you have any respect. As for credibility.. laugh,
> we won't even go there.
> > You continually raise the anty and dig yourself deeper and deeper
> > by aggressively trying to out wit the accuser.
>
> Aren't you doing the same? Accusing and then making a mad dash for the border? :)
>
> > All you are doing is admitting to using the phone to commit fraud and
> > stalking now, lol are you stupid.
>
> How is calling you stalking? It's not illegal for someone to call you up on the
> phone. So long as they don't harrass you.
>
> > Does your employer know you are using company phones to pursue your
> > perverted stalking? In America this leads to job termination. Does it
> > in England?
>
slander. Good
how can you slander someone who admits they writer computer viruses?
lol
blooven
>
> blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message news:<3B2CEBCE...@blooven.blooven>...
>
> > your integrity and honesty is zero - how about you post the
> > phone numbers you used to call @HOME with?? you liar and loser
>
> You still fail to answer my questions. Which code did I steal, and from whom?
> You have no integrity nor do you have any respect. As for credibility.. laugh,
> we won't even go there.
> > You continually raise the anty and dig yourself deeper and deeper
> > by aggressively trying to out wit the accuser.
>
> Aren't you doing the same? Accusing and then making a mad dash for the border? :)
>
> > All you are doing is admitting to using the phone to commit fraud and
> > stalking now, lol are you stupid.
>
> How is calling you stalking? It's not illegal for someone to call you up on the
> phone. So long as they don't harrass you.
>
> > Does your employer know you are using company phones to pursue your
> > perverted stalking? In America this leads to job termination. Does it
> > in England?
>
slander. Good
how can you slander someone who admits they writer computer viruses?
lol
> thing I don't use my real name, huh kiddo?
blooven
==============================================================
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:0a0133f8...@usw-ex0102-011.remarq.com...
> In article <01bf1b3e$fdc917c0$6efd1a18@yytrium>, "Yytrium"
> <yyt...@SPAM.ME.NOT.satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Umm... We're talking about viruses here, guy... You must be a real
> > pansy to think that a virus is going to make someone cry. Get a
> > life.
>
> You spoke from your ass when you posted this right? You don't know
> anything about Pax, yet your in a position to suggest he should get a
> life? heh, I hope one of my viruses (since he never released his, and
> wouldn't be in agreement of my suggestion anyway) lands on you. In
> fact, I hope it's termite. (Since it's the only virus I've written that
> will make an effort to trim your hard disk for you).
<<<<<<<< tell Grey I got him - prima facie >>>>>>>>>>>
====================================================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: PaX's Last Testament
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/21
In article <01bf1b7a$d5ee7d80$b9f0a7cb@mobilenick>, "Nick FitzGerald"
<ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> And you followed his lead, right?
Nick,
I've given you 3 days or so now to decide which DoS attack's you'd
prefer; You have not posted your decision. I'm giving you until
tomorrow, then I'll decide for you if I don't here from you between now
and then. You challenged me to write a virus designed to attack virus
bulletin; And I've accepted.
> ....as assholes like you would know.
Nah Nick,
You haven't seen asshole yet.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM] - http://www.coderz.net/Raid
<<<<<< another one - prima facie >>>>>>>>>>>>>
==============================================
From: Nick FitzGerald (ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: PaX's Last Testament
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/21
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> I've given you 3 days or so now to decide which DoS attack's you'd
> prefer; You have not posted your decision. I'm giving you until
> tomorrow, then I'll decide for you if I don't here from you between now
> and then.
I have no idea what you are talking about here. Were you
relying on Usenet to get something "important" to me?
Duh!
You have clearly made a threat and transmitted it
"telephonically". You should check some of your beloved
"freedoms" Raid, because you find that your government
removed that one from you a very long time ago. I
believe that act is a federal offense, regardless of
whether you follow through with the actual threatened
action or not.
> ... You challenged me to write a virus designed to attack virus
> bulletin; And I've accepted.
When? Specifics please...
I never did, and never would, make such a "challenge".
> Nah Nick,
>
> You haven't seen asshole yet.
...confirming our expectations of you as ever, I see.
--
Nick FitzGerald
<<<<<<<<< tell Grey to be nicer to Nick for this one >>>>>>>>
===================================================
From: Nick FitzGerald (ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: nick fitzgerald looks good
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code, alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/05/16
PaX <P...@Ultimatechaos.org.uk> wrote:
> >>>>Nick, you must be hurting them if they are resorting to personal (and
> pitifully lame) attacks - keep it up!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> I thought you had a little more intelligence..."Hurt"...heh like
> that will ever happen...
Dalton -- as you have already admitted to a failing memory
I guess I'll have to remind you that Raid and some of his
little brown-nosing bum-chums persistently claim the
reason I was "attacked" by ColdApe and Brenda was because
I needed to be "taught a lesson". The "lesson" was that I
should "respect" their abundant ignorance (of course, they
claim it is "brilliance" or "ability" or "intelligence").
Because I had been exposing their ignorance and stupidity
in just this forum, I was to be "punished".
Does that sound like a rational response from intelligent,
thinking people or the childish backlash from petulant,
smarting children?
I know "hurt" when I see it, and I see it from your puny,
ignorant, irresponsible, developmentally stunted, slimeball
"friends" all the time.
> as to personel attacks...Nick launces enough of his own without us needing
> to respond in kind..
Slime is slime.
If you lay down in slime and it sticks to you, should you
be surprised that someone points out that you stink and are
rightly liable to be shunned by society at large?
That is not a personal attack -- in my case, I am just
voicing real concerns for your well-being (well, except for
Raid who after repeatedly showing he is so helplessly
ignorant I gave up thinking he may be worth the effort --
now I think the sooner Bubba deals to him, the better).
Moral wretches like your "friends" deserve what they get,
but some of us are still trying to warn them off and that
they should clean up their acts before it's too late...
I consider I am performing a valuable public service in
doing this.
--
Nick FitzGerald
=====================================================
> > <jed_c...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > news:7v2j8i$ptm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > <snip>
> > > >
> > > PAX, you boob, you still don't get it. You are a virus writing piece
> > > of shit and Fitzgerald treats you exactly for what you are. If some
> > > of the weaker spined sucks of the group treat you as if there were
> > > a chance of your being human, don't let this confuse you. You
> > > definitely are SHIT!
=============================================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/25
In article <_wYQ3.88$DM....@news.corecomm.net>, "Buzzy"
<ha...@progammer.net> wrote:
> Mr. FitzGerald is a giant in this field.
A giant ass. Yes, I agree.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM] - http://www.coderz.net/Raid
============================================================
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:0a0bc822...@usw-ex0106-043.remarq.com...
> In article <uhHp15AI$GA.249@cpmsnbbsa03>, "Randy Abrams"
> <ran...@microsoft.com> wrote: <snip>
> > I'll agree with you concerning Raid, but I don't believe Pax is
> > much of a problem any longer. He definitely made some errors, but I >
> don't think that writing viruses has placed him beyond redemption.
>
> I see. Raid's the bad guy... Lame. I suppose I am then beyond any
> redemption? Ah well. Who needs it anyway.
Well, Raid is one who actively contributes to the spread and growth of
viruses. If the original poster wants to complain about virus writers,
PaX
================================================================
From: Dalton (P...@ultimatechaos.org)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/27
No offense, PaX.<<<<
none taken Raidey,
<<< Grey said there might be a homosexual relationship there >>>>>
heh I agree there are still some illinformed idiots in the world but I
guess
thats life ...hehehe you wanna see the email I got from Widlake..=].
Best Wishes Dalton
===========================================
From: Timo Salmi (t...@UWasa.Fi)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/28
In article <7v99p4$jlo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <jed_c...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
:In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.991027200318.8664F-100000@eddie>,
: kurt wismer <a324...@cdf.toronto.edu> wrote:
:> On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 jed_c...@my-deja.com wrote:
:>>diddle themselves with the other. Scummy Shits like Raid and PAX are
:>>everyone's problem.
:So are jerks like you who bend over backwards making apologies for
:virus-writing scum. Why don't you just get down on all fours and
Virus writing is typically an ego trip based on who knows what
personal frustrations and inadequacies. Mostly it seems to be done
behind the scenes, but for some that is not enough for their high.
Some need the public flaunting of their prowess and defiance in
order to get their kicks from the victims' indignant responses. You
(and I) are gullibly indulging!
:>intolerance and hatred are everyone's problem...
If not wanting to be the target of [virus] terrorism is intolerance,
then so be it.
All the best, Timo
==========================================
From: jed_c...@my-deja.com (jed_c...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/29
Timo Salmi wrote:
:Virus writing is typically an ego trip based on who knows what
:personal frustrations and inadequacies. Mostly it seems to be done
:behind the scenes, but for some that is not enough for their high.
:Some need the public flaunting of their prowess and defiance in
:order to get their kicks from the victims' indignant responses. You
:(and I) are gullibly indulging!<<<<<<<
In article <3818...@news.jakinternet.co.uk>,
Dalton <P...@ultimatechaos.org> wrote:
:get real..you dont know any virus writers,if you wish to post bullshit
:at least base it on some facts...
:Bingo!
:All the best, Timo
>>From jed_c...@my-deja.com
>>What's the matter, you dog-shit-eating, virus-writing bastard?
>>Did the Professor's words hit too close to home?
>From: "Dalton" <P...@ultimatechaos.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
(tons of illogical mutterings snipped everywhere)
>Wrong again Keith Peer of AVP and many other AV companies post here
>on a regular basis and always seem happy to help and offer advice to
>those that ask for it..
Well, maybe he ought to spend more time answering the frigg'n e-mail
sent through the proper support channel from myself and others who
have wailed here about AVP's abysmal record at support.
>Umm generally flaming virus writers and random ill thought out insults
>will only annoy those who "May" resort to using their creations as
>weapons...
Ohhh! Threats. what's the matter, you virus-writing shithead, is the
'straight' life getting to you? No more that feeling of power as you
infect people's machines left and right? No more feeling like
God, you insignificant shithead? Are you beginning to feel how damn
impotent you are in this world without the power to fuck up innocent
people? Now THAT was a REAL power trip. Right?
>I left the scene based on my personel feelings and some of the
>"Educated" posts here...
Bull! You even admitted in one post a few weeks back that you left
because of a fear that jail time might someday be in the future
for virus writers.
<<<<<< I'll find this post >>>>>>
(I'm too damn lazy to look up that post in Deja.) Also, the fact
that some of the people here put two and two together and came to
the conclusion that PAX was someone named Dalton.
You decided to go straight because you were found out and your
chickenshit ass was on the line.
You are such a pathetic piece of crap. Stick your head in the oven,
fool; then turn it up to 'broil.'
==========================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/29
In article <7vb4v0$vei$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jed_c...@my-deja.com wrote:
> What's the matter, you dog-shit-eating, virus-writing bastard?
> Did the Professor's words hit too close to home?
Awe. Is Jed having a bad day? Did a virus eat poor little jeddys
homework paper? Waaa Waaa. That's what backups are for. Ever heard the
concept? <g> I wish it was termite that fucked you over; it would be
hillarious. heh. Jed should stop blaming his own inadueqecies on
others; If a virus got you, it's cause you are just too stupid to know
any better. Being the case, I feel sorry for your employer (mcdonalds
maybe?) hah. As for your previous comment about computer people ripping
everyone else off. Nah, but we do charge you for stupidity. As anyone
in a profession would.
Randy, In this case; I'd actually enjoy seeing a virus of mine diddle
his data. Seems to me, it's the least I could do for the fellow.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< this is good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Regards,
Raid [SLAM] - http://www.coderz.net/Raid
===========================================================
From: Jeffrey A. Setaro (jase...@sprynet.com)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/29
In article <7vausn$rdj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jed_c...@my-deja.com
says...
> In article <MPG.1282954d4...@nntp.sprynet.com>,
> jase...@sprynet.com (Jeffrey A. Setaro) wrote:
> > In article <7vagpl$hji$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jed_c...@my-deja.com
> >says...
> > >
> > > Oh, yeah, I almost forgot – FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > *Plonk*
>
> Plonk? This guy has a tin ear. His Plonk was a full quarter tone off.
>
I think it's about time we named Jed official alt.comp.virus kook of the
month.
All those in favor...
--
Cheers-
Jeff Setaro
<<<<<<< same old perverted crap from setaro >>>>>>>
<<<<<<< Fran or Simms said there were about 30 identical Setaro's >>>>>>
<<<<< "Kook of the month' posts - all who question his 'manliness' >>>>>
<<<<<< JD's comment was it was their way of shouting down anyone opposed
>>>>>
<<<<< to their takeover >>>>>>
=================================================
From: jed_c...@my-deja.com (jed_c...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/29
In article <0221c012...@usw-ex0106-042.remarq.com>,
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> In article <7vb4v0$vei$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, jed_c...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > What's the matter, you dog-shit-eating, virus-writing bastard?
> > Did the Professor's words hit too close to home?
>
> Awe. Is Jed having a bad day? Did a virus eat poor little jeddys
> homework paper? Waaa Waaa. That's what backups are for. Ever heard the
> concept? <g> I wish it was termite that fucked you over; it would be
> hillarious. heh. Jed should stop blaming his own inadueqecies on
> others; If a virus got you, it's cause you are just too stupid to know
> any better.
(snipped more of the same paranoid, megalomaniacal babblings)
Gee, it's the head shitpile itself gracing me with its odoriferous
presence. I thought you'd still be down in alt.comp.virus.source.code
with your buddies PAX, Wismer and those assholes from MicroTrend who
actually discourse with a pile of ambulatory shit such as yourself.
Oh, great shit pile, tell us about how you destroyed some kid's
homework last night. You know you did because he posted a plea for
help in a help group. You fucked up a week's homework plus all his
personal files. Gawd! what a feeling of pride. Oh, yeah -- of course
it was the little shit's fault. BACKUP! BACKUP! UPDATE YOUR AV!
yeah, we realize that you are just a fool for god, doing your best to
enlighten mankind.
How about that businessman who lost an account because you totally
reamed his database and the resulting chaos cost him his biggest
client. Boy! Did you show that moron how to shape up! Hurray for
Raid -- or should I say Mr. Raid -- but then, who gives shitpiles
a name?
Then there was that stupid old lady in Ohio whose entire
family picture album you destroyed. No, she didn't have backups
for those photos, some more than a half century old. The originals
were destroyed in a fire. No more pics of her children as toddlers;
no more pics of her wedding, which took place 55 years ago.
Hey, but we understand Mr. Shitpile. You are God's messenger. You
WILL shape up the world. It WILL finally live up to your expectations.
yeah -- a while past ,another wretched coward with ideas like yours
died in a bunker in Berlin.
<<<<<<<< see if these people can be located >>>>>>>
<<<<<<<< Fran said she had 3 other people also >>>>>>>>>
================================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/31
Wrong. I write viruses, yes. I put them on my website yes, they do not
travel on their own from the site. People have to download them for
that.
<<<<<<<< explicit admission of making viruses available on his site
>>>>>
<<<<<< see Fran's Complicity, Conspiracy and Abetting papers >>>>>>>>
=================================================
From: Dalton (P...@ultimatechaos.org)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/31
>>>>>It's really classic sick they way you totally avoid any responsibility
or reference to the core matter of what your viruses do to innocent
people in the real world. But, then, sickos such as you don't really
live in the real world.<<<<<
Have you seen RaiD ever say he is not the author of Krile,Toadie,Termite
etc
<<<<<<<<<< same as what is on page 34 and 38 >>>>>>>>>
=============================================
Dalton <P...@ultimatechaos.org> wrote in message
news:381c...@news.jakinternet.co.uk...
> >>>>Stretching? You do write viruses and send them out to innocent people,
> right? So where's the stretch? What's the matter, shithead? Don't you
> like to see the end result of your word graphically portrayed in public?<<<<
>
> Um where did RaiD say he "Sent out viruses"??
It doesn't take a bleeding PhD to figure out what Raid meant when he
said in
his toadie 1.0 NFO that he hoped that it was in the wild? What the #$%&
do
you think that meant Dalton????
<<<<<< prima facie >>>>>>>
===========================================================
It is a wide world. For example, in my own country virus
<<<<<<< Frans says this is Finland - do logs show the virus >>>>>>>
<<<<<<< went through Finland?? >>>>>>>>>
distribution has recently become explicitly illegal in a law passed
by the parliament. It is subject to fines or up to two year in
prison. It probably is to be expected that also the general drift
will be in that direction direction. What the current and future
situation throughout the rest of Europe and the rest of the world is
would be interesting to know.
All the best, Timo
=======================================================
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
http://www.coderz.net/Raid Mirror: sok4ever.zone.ne.jp/Raid
(Mirror is updated)
<<<<<<<< Simms -> check laws in Japan >>>>>>>>>>>>
=======================================================
From: Frederic Bonroy (fbo...@mail.dotcom.fr)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/11/01
Robert wrote:
> Try Joel <Jo...@mapson.com> - IIRC he was nearly as reasonable as this
> Jed clown
Yes, it was Joel. Thanks. :-)
<<<<<<<<< tell Grey BON BON was a weasel even then >>>>>>>
=================================================================
From: Dalton (P...@ultimatechaos.org)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/11/01
Ok lets try to explain my self here...MY personel opinion is that
justifying
virus writing as an expression of a freedom of speech is a cop out
generally.Ive heard most of the bullshit excuses,"Its coz I wanna learn
to
program,Im doing it for a university course,It helps me understand the
PC
better,..etc etc etc...
My reasons for it were "I like doing it,I enjoyed it,It's legal so it's
my
choice,you don't like me doing it?Tough i'm not breaking the law."
From the legal point of the time my reasons may not be acceptable to
others
but at the end of the day I never really had much regard for others
opinions.I never hurt any body( a few exceptions ) with what I did and I
never agreed/promoted spreading.
I accepted and took part in distribution of some viruses..ie:Tally wants
a
new Vir that i've got hold of then no problem I'd dcc it over to
him,same
for any of my trusted friends.Please take note..FRIENDS,there is no
grand
conspiracy here,no master plan to infect the world,no intention to trash
Grannys 50 year old photos..Just a number of friends taking part in a
hobby
they enjoyed.
AHHHHHH so what about the moral point??? I never had to see the end
results
of what a small minority of the VX scene did so it never really bothered
me,but when I finally did it had a strange effect ..and the rest is
history.
Yes I openly CONDEM the moronic spreaders that just want to get onto the
wild list by randomly trashing data and harming innocent users...as In
one
conversation I was party to where a resonably new member of the VX
community
was seen to state.."Hey i gotta spread some of my shit to get any
respect"..to me that is just plain DUMB and the actions of a loser.As is
CNP
coding without at least showing respect for the original
author...LicH!!!
<<<<<<<<< sad jutification - but probably believes it >>>>>>>
As to RaiD ,if he wants to make his creations available on his web
page,well
it may not be acceptable to many mainstream users but it surely is
preferable to infecting random files and uploading to ftp sites/web
pages/software..etc etc.
Yes RaiD and I do disagree on a number of things but over the years he
has
become a friend and anybody looking for me to flame/decry a FRIEND
because
their views do not conform to the mainstream will have a very long wait.
I may not agree or support some things he or other VX do but I made my
choice when I left the VX scene,I do not/will never have the right to
make
that choice for others and so I will not accept it being made for me...
<<<<<<< prima facie >>>>>>>>
Thats about it for now...Dalton
==============================================
From: S. Widlake (s.wi...@rl.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Nick FitzGerald
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/11/02
In article <3817...@news.jakinternet.co.uk>
"Dalton" <P...@ultimatechaos.org> writes:
>Yea.. About the only bad thing PaX ever did was think he could post
"only"... <???> <SSS>
>here and have a logical discussion without being attacked. I agree,
>that was pretty dumb of him. <g>
Dumbest !!!
>No offense, PaX.<<<<
Offence...
>none taken Raidey,
RAID is an @r$eh01e too...
>heh I agree there are still some illinformed idiots in the world but
(c: 'idoiots'
>I guess thats life...
life... death... doesn't apply to computers...
>hehehe you wanna see the email I got from Widlake.. =].
hehehe, I think not, re-post it then, or do you want to see some more,
B@$t@rd
>Best Wishes Dalton
^^^^^^^^^^^
Likely story <!>
S.CHnaps
-- -
.sig II - Found and Restored...
<<<<<<<< tell Grey widlake has always been a loon >>>>>>>
=============================================================
From: LHigdon (lhigd...@mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: nick fitzgerald looks good
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus.source.code, alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/05/14
How does Nicky boy find the time to look so good with all his virus
fighting and consulting??
Who would have thought that behind his gruff and piggish mannerisms
belies a cutie pie.
http://www.gaywired.com/galleryfree/preview16.htm
Peace
Lee Higdon
Fayetteville, GA. (USA)
email to:lthi...@mciworld.com
lhigd...@mindspring.com
<<<<<<< Have Fran figure this post out >>>>>>>>
====================================================
You mentioned that we are only discussing words? not really ...you see
those
words can be put on paper run through a compiler/assembler and ruin
somebodys career,or worse still destroy a doctors research.Make no
mistake I
think that in some circumstances a computer virus is much more dangerous
than a gun...after all a bullett can generally only kill one person!
kind regards Dalt
<<<<<<<<<<<<< threats?? >>>>>>>>>
========================================
From: the_heretic (the_h...@ims.msn.com)
Subject: Re: PaX's Last Testament
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 1999/10/26
Randy Abrams <ran...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:e3$EfU1G$GA.270@cpmsnbbsa03...
> PaX <P...@ultimatechaos.org> wrote in message
> news:380e...@news.jakinternet.co.uk...
> I believe this is a sound risk/benefit ratio assessment. I hope many others
> will reach the same decision before the risk/benefit ratio is deemed to be
> worth giving up legal rights for by too many. At that point we have
> legislation that will be aimed at stopping the creation of viruses, but will
> almost certainly lead to other less desirable effects.
not necessary,, just get good legal advice =]
--
best regards-
John (aka Evul)
coderz.net
<<<<<<<< they even have fun together >>>>>
=============================================
From: Patricia A. Shaffer (ra...@swva.net)
Subject: Re: Raid's provocation
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/08/09
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:33:18 +0100, "PaX [SlaM]" <P...@SlaM-VT.org.uk>
wrote:
>Ok Ok,
> Ive seen some pretty lame bullshit type of actions over the
>years,on the part of both Virus Writers and AVers but there has always been
>a reason behind it.
>Take Fitzy..He hates VXers with a passion and is directly from the opposite
>side,G Cluley.he works for an av company and hence profits from users
>misery,Bontch...as pr graham etc etc etc..Im not having a dig at any of them
>even Fitzy has the guts to say things face to face...
>
>Now we have Barlev/Thor/Klaus/Brien etcetc...
>
>Ok so you have some super master plan to uncloak Virus Writers??why??
>So you spend the next two years trying to track RaiDs real identity and
>address...why...wtf are you going to do with the information once you have
>it??It's of no use..The feds cant use it..if they could they would have done
>already..it wont help the avers...it wont stop users getting infected...it
>wont stop other authors...AHHHHH it may sell a few BADLY written books and
>get you your 15 minutes of fame...
>All you will achieve is to annoty Vxers in general...not that its really
>that important...as I said before your becomming an bug ..like the fly that
>lands on your arm when you watch TV..you know what I mean...the one that you
>know is there but its too much effort to raise the other arm to squash
>it...see my point? the little bug thats not even worth the effort of
>destroying it as it is so insignifficant...thats all you are Barlev...a bug
>that nobody really wants to bother with..but sooner or later ....some VXers
>may take exception to your bullshit and do another coldape...or dedicate a
>virus to you...so the users pay the price for your bullshit...the avers get
>a little richer and you are still a nobody...
>So you finally get raids real name...woopy fucking doooo like most of us
>dont know it already..or maybe somebody like Darkman,Vecna..or one of the
>others...its just a name...you think a name and address is worth
>anything????
>
>so to save you a little effort...Ill start with mine..
>
>Dalton D Shelby....woohooo now you got my name...
>
>Phone 07833768611......want my address too?? now you have that maybe you
>are in line for the Congressional Medal of Honour???
>
>for fucks sake you arent helping anybody......now be a good little child and
>go play in another sandpit before a less gracious VXer takes exception to
>you and Innocent users pay the price...
Damn, Dalt! It sounds to me as if you are trying to extort his silence
by threatening to harm hostages ... all us "innocent users"!
Well, *this* "innocent user" says, "To hell with your threats on behalf
of the dark-side of the VX community! Villains and vandals and wilful
terrorists deserve to be exposed. Go ahead and do your worst to destroy
my data and screw up my computer!"
And then, in the aftermath ... and mark my words, there *will* be an
aftermath ... when the ignorant masses of "innocent users" rise up and
demand criminal prosecution for ALL vx-ers, you can remember that I told
you so.
--
Patricia
=============================================
From: PaX [SlaM] (P...@SlaM-VT.org.uk)
Subject: Re: Raid's provocation
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/08/09
>>>Well, *this* "innocent user" says, "To hell with your threats on behalf
of the dark-side of the VX community! Villains and vandals and wilful
terrorists deserve to be exposed. Go ahead and do your worst to destroy
my data and screw up my computer!" <<<<<<<<<
I have no intention of harming yours or anybody elses data...re read my
post Pat...
I was looking for an explanation of Barels reasons....Vxers have been
dealing with this moron for months...hes a pain in the ass...
FIRST hand mail from a number of AVers consider him to be the same..you
really think AVers and VXers dont talk behind the scenes?
4 of the seven members of his little boy group had never even heard of
him...
We are far closer than you may believe....
So long as virus writing is NOT illegal then Vx will continue to do
so..and
Idiots like Barlev will not make the less responsible ones any better...
I dont want to see a number of my more honourable friends pushed over
the
edge by the actions of one idiot..
>>>>And then, in the aftermath ... and mark my words, there *will* be an
aftermath ... when the ignorant masses of "innocent users" rise up and
demand criminal prosecution for ALL vx-ers, you can remember that I told
you so.<<<<<<
SDince when have the innocent masses ever had any power to change
anything???
Thats a pipe dream Pat..goverments change what they want to
change...nothing
more nothing less.
I personally believe that the VX/AV relationship can be an unstable one
at
best without idiots like Barlev throwing his bullshit about..
I think you have seen enough of my posts to know that im not a random
destruction merchant or a fool,I always try to act responsibly and ask
many
of my peers to do likewise....HOWEVER barlevs bullshit is NOT helping
anybody...believe me Pat we have had this BUG all over us for
months...its
not even like he knows what hes on about...
>>>>Villains and vandals and wilful
terrorists deserve to be exposed. <<<<<<<<<<
Writing a virus does not constitute this in any country except Iceland
so I
believe.....
As I have over a number of years written viruses but not released them
into
the wild..I must also therefore be a terrorist??
as I said Pat..please re read my post...=]
I hope no offence was taken as none was intended...
regards Dalt
<<<<<<< Fran said it was Pax's Manifesto time >>>>>>>>
=========================================
From: Randy Abrams (randyab...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Raid's provocation
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/08/11
"PaX [SlaM]" <P...@SlaM-VT.org.uk> wrote in message
news:8msgqg$34v$1...@gxsn.com...
> >>>Well, *this* "innocent user" says, "To hell with your threats on behalf
> of the dark-side of the VX community! Villains and vandals and wilful
> terrorists deserve to be exposed. Go ahead and do your worst to destroy
> my data and screw up my computer!" <<<<<<<<<
>
> I have no intention of harming yours or anybody elses data...re read my
> post Pat...
I think you need to reread your post PaX. What you printed must be
interpreted as saying that if people exercise their freedom of speech in
a
manner Vx doesn't like, Vx will punish innocent users. Vx is contrary to
free speech quite obviously. The only time Vx defends freedom of speech
is
when they are afraid they might get punished for invading people's
privacy.
Regards,
Randy
====================================================
<<<<< 'Laws against virus writers' thread >>>>>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&th=b72833651d9e2191,106&ic=1
====================================================
blooven
============================================================
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&th=52913d1f482c4267,273&ic=1
<<<<<<<< IROK virus thread - a real nice gift >>>>>>>
============================================================
Well it's called IRoK v1.1, and it was coded by Raid a member of the
<<<<< ^^^^ >>>>>
[SLAM] virus coding group. It is written in the HLL ASIC and will
<<<<< HLL ASIC - is just basic - a children's computer learning >>>>>
<<<<< computer language - also calling it an email virus causes >>>>>>
<<<<< psychotic reactions in perp >>>>>>>
prepend to EXE/COM files. It's a runtime virus which means it won't
stay resident in memory. It hasn't yet been detected by any AV vendor...
It will work on most systems like win95/win98/NT/win2k... it's 10.000
bytes in lenght. It uses a rough encryption that uses the time/date of
the file for seed, so if the file time/date is modified your file will
be corrupted. Also the virus will drop a VBS script in the startup
directory and try to send itself to the first 65 users in your contact
list... it does also drop a script.ini in MIRC directory and sends an
infected .exe to anyone joining a channel with an infected user. It has
a dangerous payload as you may have noticed.
<<<^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>
==========================================================
From: sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk (sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/27
In article <0d75eee3...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> > It was posted to several newsgroups but
> >this addy. jgr...@yahoo.com
>
> Thanks, I've contacted this individual. The person (I don't know
> what sex they are) sent me a few... amusing emails.
I thought John Grahms was one of the pseudonyms you use, Raid?
Did you ask this person who has been posting your viruses to various
newsgroups why he appears to be using one of your pseudonyms?
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
<<<<<<< prima facie >>>>>>
==================================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/27
In article <8bo7ie$jrm$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>I thought John Grahms was one of the pseudonyms you use, Raid?
Actually, It's a real name. Quiet popular; Which is why I use it.
Makes it just a wee bit more interesting.
>Did you ask this person who has been posting your viruses to
>various newsgroups why he appears to be using one of your
>pseudonyms?
As I mentioned (I realize you have a reading comprehension
problem) he wouldn't tell me where he got the virus, or why he
was spreading it. And to be honest Graham, I don't really give a
fuck. It's out, ah well.
Btw, what version of unix are you running? (harmless question)
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< voluntary admission of release >>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< what a psychopath >>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< prima facie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
=====================================================
From: sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk (sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/29
In article <03c5a1aa...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> In article <8bo7ie$jrm$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >I thought John Grahms was one of the pseudonyms you use, Raid?
>
> Actually, It's a real name. Quiet popular; Which is why I use it.
> Makes it just a wee bit more interesting.
Oh okay, I hadn't heard it before you started using it. Odd coincidence
I
thought.
> >Did you ask this person who has been posting your viruses to
> >various newsgroups why he appears to be using one of your
> >pseudonyms?
>
> As I mentioned (I realize you have a reading comprehension
> problem) he wouldn't tell me where he got the virus, or why he
> was spreading it. And to be honest Graham, I don't really give a
> fuck. It's out, ah well.
But you should care if someone is ripping you off by distributing your
viruses. Isn't that a breach of copyright?
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< prima facie >>>>>>>>>>
====================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/23
In article <38D4A073...@nospam.com>, "Leon A. Koch"
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Has anyone heard of a virus called "irok".
Yes.
>I discovered a vbs file in my startup folder recently,
>but as I don't use Outlook, the virus didn't spread.
>Upon editing the irokrun.vbs file, I found the script
>referenced an executable called "irok.exe" that was
>in my windows/system directory. I was unable to
>delete any of these files, and needless to say Norton
>didn't find anything. I figured this virus was harmless,
>and I would just wait for an updated virus definitions
>so I could remove it, however...
The vbs file is created by the executable that referenced it,
Only one time however. Your machine was marked for future
incidents should another virus ever come your way that knows
about the identification. Irok uses the marker so it doesn't
place another .vbs file in your startup directory. I only want
you to email your friends and associates once. If you did so more
then one time, they might know something's up. Norton will not be
aware of the virus until they have decided upon a unique
scanstring to use. Hueristics never have been a problem for me.
>About a day later while using PGP tools, a dos window
>appeared. It said something about burning the world,
>and it then told me that my harddrive had been erased.
>Sure enough upon checking, the entire harddrive had
>been corrupted. It was a secondary drive, used only for
>file storage.
The lyrics quoted are from Tool Anema. While it does say your
hard disk was erased, that's not exactly accurate. :) I'll leave
you to figure out what happened to your stuff, if anything.
>I also have linux on the same machine, so I can get
>access to the files, but none of them have a valid name
>( all root directories are called '???????' ). Several linux
>utilities for rebuilding the file allocation table have failed
>( it's a fat32 drive ).
LOL! That's because nothing was wrong with your file allocation
tables in the first place.
>Does anyone know what virus I have, or how to recover
>my hard drive?
Yes and Yes.
<<<<<<< Indifference to doing harm >>>>>>>
=====================================================
From: Randy Abrams (ran...@microsoft.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/22
It would appear to be Raid's gift to Dr. Costas. Something about
respecting
Dr. Costas work and realizing the importance of cancer research I think.
> In article <01n04sg3tif73504t...@4ax.com>, Dr. Costas
> Giannakenas MD <cg...@anon.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:59:26 -0800, Raid Slam
> > <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > Raid,
> > Why the heck do you bother to respond to these
> > postings? Personally I would never bother.
<snip>
> > To get a few things straight. I don't care much for your virus
> >writing as the damage that can be caused by one of your viruses is
> >possibly greater than you could imagine - imagine if one of your
> >creations was to trash my data.
> My hope is that you will never encounter a virus of mine, As you've done
> nothing to me. However, should you ever come across one of mine,
> just email me, or write a note here; and I'll contact you with removal
> instructions. I know it's not much, but...
> >The data concerns patients with cancer, their lab tests, their
> >therapies, the course of their disease etc. Loss of this data could
> >possibly lead to loss of human lives. Why?
> I don't want to harm anybody in that way. Noted exception: Jed connors
> (cracky?) I lost a family member to cancer a few years ago... So i have
> an idea how important your research is to you.
<snip>
> I can't do anything about Toadie or Termite, as they've made it wild,
> and they aren't coming home... But, I can prevent Storm Trooper and
> others (mine) from ever becoming wild.
<snip>
> Regards,
> Raid [SLAM]
Regards,
Randy
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< acknowledgement of released virus >>>>>>>>>>
====================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/23
In article <Z93UONvFJFHgviOwkF1=VF57...@4ax.com>, davidovv97
<david...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>do a search at <http://vil.nai.com/villib/alphar.asp>,
>concerning vbs infections.
The .vbs file isn't a virus, nor a worm. The executable is your
virus.
>davidovv PRO-TECT 2000 http://go.to/protect2000
Laugh! Don't bother.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<<<<<< extreme indifference >>>>>>>>>
====================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/23
In article <8b2psp$jji$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, sept...@my-deja.com
wrote:
>It's a runtime virus which means it won't stay resident in
>memory. It hasn't yet been detected by any AV vendor...
Not exactly. It does become resident for a time, but infects via
runtime only. Laugh
>a dangerous payload as you may have noticed.
Are you AV wannabe now?
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<< extreme indifference >>>>>>>
=========================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/23
In article <38D4A073...@nospam.com>, "Leon A. Koch"
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Has anyone heard of a virus called "irok".
incidently, Where did you become infected by it? It's not
supposed to be ... out.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<< wow - prima facie >>>>>>>
=======================================
From: kurt wismer (g9k...@cdf.toronto.edu)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/23
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Raid Slam wrote:
> In article <38D4A073...@nospam.com>, "Leon A. Koch"
> <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >Has anyone heard of a virus called "irok".
>
> incidently, Where did you become infected by it? It's not
> supposed to be ... out.
oh come on, raid... you know better than that... what have i been saying
for years now? uncontrolled distribution enables malicious spreading..
<<<<<<< malice aforethought indeed >>>>>>>>>>>.
========================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/23
In article <01bf950e$04f7e960$0500000a@mobilenick>, "Nick
FitzGerald" <ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>*If* Raid can be taken for his word (I generally doubt
>it) then the above means that Raid's own closest, "most
>trusted" friends/accomplices are untrustworthy.
You may take what I said any way you like. Twist it around to
suit your pleasure, You mean shit to me Nick. Your just a fly
sitting on a pile of dogshit pronouncing to the world how great
and wonderful you are, And how we should phear your eliteness.
Pathetic lamer.
>Still, Raid will feign ignorance of writing viruses per
>se, is fundamentally dangerous, given the failings of
>human judgement, etc.
The only mistake I see so far is someone forgot to press the
Abort button when they were blessed with the wonderful (heh) news
of your existance.
>Most other kinds of ignorance he does not have to pretend.
You always were an excellent teacher.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<<< begging for motion for psychiatric evaluation >>>>>>
=============================
From: Leon Koch (nos...@nospam.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/24
Hello Raid,
I figured you would turn up to gloat about this whole thing.
I have actually recovered both my files and system.
Thanks to everyone who helped.
Thanks to Raid for not making the payload too harsh. ; )
I can't help but wonder though, why don't you do something positive
with your time...
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:59:20 -0800, Raid Slam
<soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>Yes.
>
>The vbs file is created by the executable that referenced it,
>Only one time however. Your machine was marked for future
>incidents should another virus ever come your way that knows
>about the identification. Irok uses the marker so it doesn't
>place another .vbs file in your startup directory. I only want
>you to email your friends and associates once. If you did so more
>then one time, they might know something's up. Norton will not be
>aware of the virus until they have decided upon a unique
>scanstring to use. Hueristics never have been a problem for me.
>
>The lyrics quoted are from Tool Anema. While it does say your
>hard disk was erased, that's not exactly accurate. :) I'll leave
>you to figure out what happened to your stuff, if anything.
>
>LOL! That's because nothing was wrong with your file allocation
>tables in the first place.
>
>Yes and Yes.
<<<<<<<<<<< Federal Rules of Evidence - defendant identification >>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<< by Internet post >>>>>>>>
==============================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/24
In article <mr4mdsku1krme3nik...@4ax.com>, Leon
Koch <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Hello Raid,
Hi Leon.
>I figured you would turn up to gloat about this whole thing.
Gloat? Nope. I turned up because I was curious as to where you
found my irok virus. You see, he's not supposed to be out
anywheres. It's still an ongoing project, I'm not finished with
it yet.
>I have actually recovered both my files and system.
Great. I didn't think it would take you too long to figure it
out.
>Thanks to everyone who helped.
>Thanks to Raid for not making the payload too harsh. ; )
:P
>I can't help but wonder though, why don't you do something
>positive with your time...
Shrug. I enjoy writing the bugs. I can't help it.
Where did you find it?
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<<<< evidence of intention to release prima facie >>>>>>>>>>
========================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/27
In article <9hrtds0svmihbe7q9...@4ax.com>, Leon
Koch <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>As to what the virus actually does, I think only Raid knows... ;
>P
Yep. Antivirus guys aren't as bright as they'd like you to
believe. When the Toadie was all hyped up, nobody (except
datafellows) got any of the description details correct. Mcafee
and Symantec were so far off, I wondered if the guys even looked
at it.
>You are fortunate though, because thanks to certain unknown
>people giving samples to most AV companies ( ..grin.. , thanks
>axel ) most of them will now be able to detect and remove the
>virus. Just get an updated set of definitions.
Ahh, Axel isn't very useful. Irok wakes up because of him. :)
And... I'm pretty sure the samples Axel forked to avers is the
serialized beta copies; Ie: the real deal has yet to be captured.
>How did you find
>out you had the virus?
It probably told him.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<<<<<< prima facie >>>>>>>>>>>>>
======================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/29
In article <2000032905...@cotse.com>, "Katrin Podrezov"
<anon...@cotse.com> wrote:
>
>The virus has a bug HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nope. The virus decides whether or not to pass control to you.
And it's maxxed at 80 characters command line (a known OS
limitation). The virus does suffer from a bug however, but that's
a memory leak and only occurs under win95a oses.
>In some cases the virus can corrupt host programs. The
>virus has a bug and it doesn't supply command line options
>to the host program correctly, so every program that
>operates with command line parameters will not work
>correctly after infection.
You really might want to check this for yourself. file corruption
only occurs if the user plays with an infected file, and it's
deliberate. :)
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<< exploit memory leak info ie poor programming capabilities >>>>
======================================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/29
In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.00032...@chimp.cdf>,
kurt wismer <g9k...@cdf.toronto.edu> wrote:
>c++? did raid stop working in asic?
Actually it's a common misconception. None of my viruses are
written purely in asic. They do have asm routines written
entirely in asm. I use the asic compiler alot because it's
automatic defense against hueristics, and because I like asic.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<< ASIC - is evidence of low quality programming capabilities >>>>
==========================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/29
In article <8bsh3o$2r0$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>But you should care if someone is ripping you off by
>distributing your viruses. Isn't that a breach of copyright?
You really should be more concerned with your sophos internet
connection at this point Graham. You might go offline for some
unknown reason. That would be a shame.
Have you looked into higher bandwidth? Say... atleast 4 t3s? I
have a funny feeling you'll wish you had.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<< threat to disrupt computer at business >>>>>
==========================
PaX
Could you edit your posting a little ?? it's very hard to tell
what is what and who said what also what comments you have added?
rgrds D.D.Shelby
blooven
===================================================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
In article <se7ptp...@corp.supernews.com>, "Kadabra"
<ab...@fuschia.com> wrote:
>Hey Raid,
>
>Let me ask you a question...
Hmm. This should be interesting.
>How is it that you can remain so calm and visible while others
>are mounting a legal case for your arrest? To an outsider, it
>looks like you WANT to get arrested. I can't believe this is the
>case. What's the scoop?
Because their is nothing to mount against me legally. I didn't
spread the irok virus, and their is no proof claiming otherwise.
I'm sure if there was, somebody would have said so by now. :)
And besides, I do not care about the threats of arrest. Arresting
me for writing a computer program. Sheesh.
>IMHO, from everything I have seen, I would think the heat is
>going up... Are you going to start shooting or something when
>the feds arrive?
If the feds ever do come to my home to fuck with me, I will shoot
atleast 3 of them dead before they get me.
<<<<<<<<< criminal threat against (US) federal agents >>>>>>>
>One more...
>
>What in the fuck happened to you to make you so angry?
I'd rather not comment.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<< should be considered armed >>>>>>>
========================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/30
In article <1n87es4p9vp4u21nu...@4ax.com>, Patricia
A. Shaffer <ra...@swva.net> wrote:
>You are so proud of yourself, aren't you! You have
>inconvenienced (at the least) a lot of innocent folks.
Proud? Not really.
> You have caused great
> distress, deliberately and with malice aforethought (as
> evidenced by your postings prior to the "escape" of Irok).
I gave fair warning what would happen. Some people apparently
didn't get the hint. Maybe they are reconsidering it now.
>nothing more than self-gratification, for the chance to gloat
>over the misery you have caused for others.
Misery loves company. Had nothing to do with self gratification.
Purely revenge motivated. Pure hatred for others, that is why I
wrote it. Simply because I hate people, simply because they
deserve the shit I dump on them, they earned it.
<<<<<<< pure terrorist threats and premeditation >>>>>>>>
>That is despicable. Whatever sympathy I might have had for your
>opinions has just disappeared ... not that it will matter to
>you, I suppose.
I don't want nor need your sympathy, You understand so very
little.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<<<< criminal premediation and motive >>>>>>>>>
=============================================================
From: LHigdon (lhigd...@mindspring.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/30
Sure I'm not telling you something you don't already know. People will
tend to think of you as a "sick fuck" when you make statements like
this. These are the kinds of statements usually attributable to guys
like Dahmer, Bundy and Gacy. You don't really think this way?
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:37:03 -0800, Raid Slam
<soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>Misery loves company. Had nothing to do with self gratification.
>Purely revenge motivated. Pure hatred for others, that is why I
>wrote it. Simply because I hate people, simply because they
>deserve the shit I dump on them, they earned it.
>
<<<<<<<< psychotic behavior compared to Dahmer, Bundy and Gacy >>>>>>
==================================
From: Arthur Kopp (art...@mindsprung.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/30
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:54:28 GMT, lhigd...@mindspring.com (LHigdon)
wrote:
>>Misery loves company. Had nothing to do with self gratification.
>>Purely revenge motivated. Pure hatred for others, that is why I
>>wrote it. Simply because I hate people, simply because they
>>deserve the shit I dump on them, they earned it.
>Sure I'm not telling you something you don't already know. People will
>tend to think of you as a "sick fuck" when you make statements like
>this. These are the kinds of statements usually attributable to guys
>like Dahmer, Bundy and Gacy. You don't really think this way?
He's certainly said so enough times here. Why do you think he's
kidding?
Art
<<<<<<<<<< premeditation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
=============================================
From: Kadabra (ab...@fuschia.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/30
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:17a993ec...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com...
> They are not "transformed" they are simply renamed. If you name
> them back, everything works fine. Irok isn't erasing or
> corrupting any of your data. It's RENAMING a few filenames on
> you.
>
> Regards,
> Raid [SLAM]
Hey Raid,
Let me ask you a question...
How is it that you can remain so calm and visible while others are
mounting a legal case for your arrest? To an outsider, it looks
like you WANT to get arrested. I can't believe this is the case. What's
the scoop?
IMHO, from everything I have seen, I would think the heat is going up...
Are you going to start shooting or something when the feds arrive?
One more...
What in the fuck happened to you to make you so angry?
I am not passing judgement I am just curious...
Kadabra
<<<<<<< evidence of psychotic behavior >>>>>>>>
==========================================
From: sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk (sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/31
In article <127c67be...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> Because their is nothing to mount against me legally. I didn't
> spread the irok virus, and their is no proof claiming otherwise.
> I'm sure if there was, somebody would have said so by now. :)
Presumably you don't deny that on January 13th you posted to this
newsgroup:
"In a few weeks, IrOk (which is based off of Toadie) is going
to be completed. And I am going to lose it into the wild, on
purpose. YOu can quote me on that one this time Graham."
I'm sure you can understand my confusion. Certainly on January 13th you
seemed to be suggesting that you would release it into the wild.
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
<<<<<<<< premeditation of release >>>>>>>>>
==========================================
From: Kadabra (ab...@fuschia.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/31
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:09b761b0...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com...
> I'd like to know where your getting this information. How are you
> determining iroks spread?
http://vil.nai.com/villib/newvir.asp
(Note all the 'low' risk ones)
But, let me clarify...
Do I KNOW whether it has spread or not? No.
Haven't seen it. Haven't looked for it.
Anyway, here is my point... If it comes down to it in a court of law,
who do you think the judge is going to listen to? You, the angry
virus author or the AV Pro's who have assessed your work as being
the worst thing ever? Would it be the first time that a VX author
was made out to be the evilist most vile being ever? No. Look at
Chris Pile, David Smith, etc. Not pretty. Just don't be surprised if
you find the seriousness of your work being overstated. Remember -
who is going to argue with the "experts".
Shit, even if you had to go to court, imagine the time and money
that would be spent just defending yourself against some pretty big
companies.
In another message, you said that you didn't release the thing. (Irok)
Look at "involuntary" manslaughter. I would not be surprised to
see new precedence being made that would hold VX authors responsible
for their creations no matter how they got out.
Imagine if some company accidentally released an engineered bio virus.
Think there would be a lawsuit? You bet.
So, what's my point? Be careful. The wolves are howling at the gate-
and they are pissed.
Kadabra
PS:
I am not trying to tell you to stop what you are doing.
Just voicing the fact that it wouldn't surprise me to hear that you
got arrested and then see gloating AV posts.
Not telling you what to do but if I was in your shoes I would
"repent", release a fix for my virus, post an apology, create a new
identity and continue working with a lower profile.
My two cents.
Anyway,
later
Kadabra
=============================================
From: Arthur Kopp (art...@mindsprung.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/31
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:17:08 -0800, "Kadabra" <ab...@fuschia.com>
wrote:
>In another message, you said that you didn't release the thing. (Irok)
>Look at "involuntary" manslaughter. I would not be surprised to
>see new precedence being made that would hold VX authors responsible
>for their creations no matter how they got out.
Everyone should be held responsible for their creations, no matter
what.
Art
===================================
From: kurt wismer (g9k...@cdf.toronto.edu)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/31
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Raid Slam wrote:
> In article <8c2c84$qcm$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >In article <127c67be...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
> >soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> >
> >> Because their is nothing to mount against me legally. I didn't
> >> spread the irok virus, and their is no proof claiming otherwise.
> >> I'm sure if there was, somebody would have said so by now. :)
> >
> >Presumably you don't deny that on January 13th you posted to
> >this newsgroup:
>
> No, I don't deny it. However, since that posting the information
> in the posting isn't accurate. I did complete irok, but it isn't
> based on Toadie source. I was planning to release it into the
> wild, but I never did so.
thats all well and nice, but the feds would kinda have to take your word
on that - and they generally don't do that...
not to say it would be an open and shut case if it went to trial, but
you've established intent for them, and the fact that it was released by
someone using your pseudonym can definitely be used against you...
========================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/03/31
In article <95452606...@euston.vossnet.co.uk>, "Joe
O'Sullivan" <jo...@vossnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Why not tell us all this way the AV companies don't get the jump
>you seem to want to deny them anyway.
I already denied them the jump by not forking it to them when I
wrote it.
But, I spent a good 20 minutes debugging the problem, so I'm not
just going to hand it over to an antivirus person without
anything in return.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<<<< extortion for money >>>>>>>
================================
From: PaX (P...@Ultimatechaos.org.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/01
>>>>>Raid, why don't you like people? Some are horrible but loads of them
are
really kind and good. Even some of the horrible ones are OK when you
get to
know them. You must get to meet a few more (and not by crashing their
computers!)<<<<<<<<<<<
Eve,
I cant speak for RaiD but some of us have just reasons for
disliking
other members of our race,Ever try discussing HLL programming or
assembler
with your normal circle of friends?? generally results in a look of
"woooaaa
wierdo"
In general human beings are one of the only creatures that will cause
death
and destruction the world over for no reason other than they can.Bit
l;ike
the reasons some vxers write viruses...
hope that helps...
Dalt
<<<<<<< pax is raid's psycho fanboi >>>>>>>
<<<<<<< note manifesto qualities in post >>>>>>>>>
=======================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/03
In article <8c4i59$2bm$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>Yes, if I was Raid I would definitely want to know who it was
>who posted Irok to various newsgroups.
I'd like to know who did it myself, But I can want in one hand
and shit in the other. Which do you suppose would fill first?
>Maybe it was someone trying to frame Raid seeing as he used one
>of Raid's well known pseudonyms when posting the virus?
Maybe. But let's get something straight for our loyal readers.
The name John Grahms is amazingly popular here in the united
states. It very well could (and probably is for some people) a
real name. So let's not mislead people, thank you kind sir.
>Raid, you said you had contacted this "John Grahms" person. Did
>you ask him why he was using one of your pseudonyms? Did you
>ask him how he got hold of your virus?
As I said above, John grahms is a very popular name. I can hardly
claim it as unique to my own self. So again I must ask you to
clarify this for the public. I'm sure your not misleading them
intentionally.
>Presumably you know everyone you gave your virus directly to?
>It sounds like one of them cannot be trusted.. maybe you
>should bear this in mind if you ever decide to write another
>virus.
Writing viruses is certainly not illegal in this country, so I
fully intend to pursue the hobby, idle threats aside. Concerning
who I gave the virus too, that's really none of your business now
is it? :)
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<< US citizen >>>>>>
=====================================
From: sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk (sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/03
In article <2b8268ca...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> In article <8c4i59$2bm$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> >Yes, if I was Raid I would definitely want to know who it was
> >who posted Irok to various newsgroups.
>
> I'd like to know who did it myself, But I can want in one hand
> and shit in the other. Which do you suppose would fill first?
>
> >Maybe it was someone trying to frame Raid seeing as he used one
> >of Raid's well known pseudonyms when posting the virus?
>
> Maybe. But let's get something straight for our loyal readers.
> The name John Grahms is amazingly popular here in the united
> states. It very well could (and probably is for some people) a
> real name. So let's not mislead people, thank you kind sir.
I don't want to mislead anyone. I'm sure you don't want to either.
That's why we should find out who is using your pseudonym. I did a
search
on Deja News and I couldn't find anyone other than you who seems to use
this pseudonym. Are you sure its that common a name in the USA?
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
<<<<<<<< evidence prima facie >>>>>>>
=========================================
From: Patricia A. Shaffer (ra...@swva.net)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/03
On 3 Apr 2000 16:28:43 GMT, sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>In article <2b8268ca...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
>soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
>
>> In article <8c4i59$2bm$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
>> sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> >Yes, if I was Raid I would definitely want to know who it was
>> >who posted Irok to various newsgroups.
>>
>> I'd like to know who did it myself, But I can want in one hand
>> and shit in the other. Which do you suppose would fill first?
>>
>> >Maybe it was someone trying to frame Raid seeing as he used one
>> >of Raid's well known pseudonyms when posting the virus?
>>
>> Maybe. But let's get something straight for our loyal readers.
>> The name John Grahms is amazingly popular here in the united
>> states. It very well could (and probably is for some people) a
>> real name. So let's not mislead people, thank you kind sir.
>
>I don't want to mislead anyone. I'm sure you don't want to either.
>That's why we should find out who is using your pseudonym. I did a search
>on Deja News and I couldn't find anyone other than you who seems to use
>this pseudonym. Are you sure its that common a name in the USA?
Searching for John Grahms:
MSN White Pages: no listings found
AT&T Anywho: no listings found
Switchboard.com: We are unable to locate any listings that match your
search criteria.
It doesn't appear to be that common a name.
--
Patricia
Proud Citizen of the Commonwealth of Virginia
"Anti-spammers are the immune system of the Internet." (CDR M. Dobson)
"The spam wars are about rendering email useless for unsolicited
advertising before unsolicited advertising renders email useless
for communication."(Walter Dnes/Jeff Wynn) Opt-out is cop-out!
<http://www.cauce.org>
<<<<<<< evidence prima facie >>>>>
=====================================
From: Kadabra (ab...@fuschia.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/03
Did you give a copy to Gig?
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:12ec409d...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com...
> I gave a few copies to some friends and they understood
> well ahead of time what It was I was giving them. I have commited
> no crimes as per United States law.
<<<<<< prima facie >>>>>
================================
From: PaX (P...@Ultimatechaos.org.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/03
>>>>I'm not sure how the law view writing viruses in the UK or in the USA.
Has
anyone ever been caught and what sort of sentences/fines are
given?<<<<<<<<<<
Eve,
Cris Pile (an old friend) was convicted under the missuse of
computers act in 1995 and recieved an 18 month prison sentance for his
crime.It was in penalty for the Smeg Pathogen and Smeg queeg series of
viruses.Cris was convicted as it was proven he had spread it with intent
to
cause harm and or with reckless disregard for other PC users.You may be
more
familiar with his Handle "the black baron"...as to other countries ,,,I
cant
say as I have little information at hand however it seems to be the law
that
"criminal intent" has to be established.Hope this is of some help...
Dalt
==================================
From: PaX (P...@Ultimatechaos.org.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/03
>>>>>with a bunch of excuses. Not worth wasting time on... Hints: child
porn and cancer.<<<<<<
stay off that one Frederik,VX or whatever we are all still human...
PaX
<<<<<<< Fran look at this one >>>>
=======================================
From: kurt wismer (g9k...@cdf.toronto.edu)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/03
On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Patricia A. Shaffer wrote:
[snip]
> >this pseudonym. Are you sure its that common a name in the USA?
>
> Searching for John Grahms:
>
> MSN White Pages: no listings found
> AT&T Anywho: no listings found
> Switchboard.com: We are unable to locate any listings that match your
> search criteria.
>
> It doesn't appear to be that common a name.
nothing at www.infospace.com either, for US or Canada... so much for it
being a common name...
dustin cook (another of his pseudonyms) on the other hand, seems to be
quite a popular name... something like 130 in the USA... looks like
d.c. has better anonymity properties, raid...
<<<<<<<<<<<< evidence prima facie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
==============================================
blooven
===========================
From: Axel Pettinger (a...@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/11
PaX wrote:
>
> Cheap shot Nick,I never released any of my work because I was not
> interested in "infecting" once I proved to myself that a piece of code
> would do what it was written to do they why would I need to infect
> other users ??.
Hmm, Dalton, how do the av labs call your "Oblivion" virus?
Regards,
Axel Pettinger
<<<<<<<<< pax - evidence of virus release >>>>>>
============================
From: kurt wismer (g9k...@cdf.toronto.edu)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/03
On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Raid Slam wrote:
> In article <jfrheso83f76jikk0...@4ax.com>, Patricia
> A. Shaffer <ra...@swva.net> wrote:
> >MSN White Pages: no listings found
> >AT&T Anywho: no listings found
> >Switchboard.com: We are unable to locate any listings that match
> >your search criteria.
>
> And it won't find any listings for the following possible
> reasons: (You did wish to bring this up, so I am going to call
> you on your stupidity)
>
> 1. The person(s) are not registered voters
> 2. The person(s) have specifically requested NOT to be included
> in those databases.
> 3. You cannot judge the popularity of a name by doing a biased
> search for it. (Nice try tho)
in surveys there is *always* some bias... are you suggesting that
surveys
do not ever provide useful estimates? if so, i'd suggest you write a
statistics textbook on the subject to correct all the misleading
information they're teaching students in schools these days...
the absense of the name "john grahms" in the databases mentioned *is*
evidence against it being a popular name... there should be no
correlation
between a person's name and whether or not they choose to be included in
one of those databases, therefore names should occur in those databases
with a relative frequency roughly matching those of the total
population...
<<<<<<< prima facie evidence >>>>
=====================================
From: sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk (sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
In article <12ec409d...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> I have said before and this is the last time I shall waste
> time saying it, I did not spread the irok virus via any
> malicious manner.
Although on January 13th you said you would. So you can understand
people's confusion on this.
> I gave a few copies to some friends and they understood
> well ahead of time what It was I was giving them.
You should perhaps reconsider who your friends are.
It seems one of them has been irresponsible with the virus, and it has
been posted into the wild. What is more whoever posted the virus into
the
wild appears to have deliberately used a pseudonym that you have used in
the past! Maybe someone is trying to frame you! It does seem more
likely
that someone is trying to frame you by using your pseudonym "John
Grahms"
as it doesn't appear to be a very popular name in the USA after all. If
it had been John Smith, Jennifer Jones, or Hoover Blumenstock then there
might have been some more debate about it.
What steps will you be taking to ensure no future viruses written by you
will be breaking into the wild?
> I have commited no crimes as per United States law.
Have you taken legal advice on this from an expert in this field? What
did they say?
Of course, it's not just US law which you would need to get advice upon,
but international law as well. There are well known examples of US
citizens who have written malicious code who have been extradited or
tried
outside of the USA.
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
From: sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk (sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.000403...@heron.cdf>,
g9k...@cdf.toronto.edu (kurt wismer) wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, PaX wrote:
>
> > Eve,
> > Cris Pile (an old friend) was convicted under the missuse of
> > computers act in 1995 and recieved an 18 month prison sentance
> > for his crime.It was in penalty for the Smeg Pathogen and
> > Smeg queeg series of viruses.Cris was convicted as it was
> > proven he had spread it with intent to
>
> it was proven? i was under the impression he copped a guilty plea
> (presumably in order to avoid having the book thrown at him), thus
> removing the necessity to prove anything...
Correct. And Judge Jeremy Griggs told Pile that he was making his
sentence more severe because he had encouraged others to spread
viruses and cause damage via the internet/BBSes/etc.. I seem to recall
this was in the documentation for his SMEG engine.
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
=====================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
In article <01bf9e27$38231680$0500000a@mobilenick>, "Nick
FitzGerald" <ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>A point perhaps too subtle for Raid to grasp...
Nick, your lame name calling is getting old. I've already shown
the newsgroup what a pompass script kiddy moron you are, Why
continue to prove this to them?
>Unless most the John Grahms belong to a family of heavily
>inbred daughter- and sister-raping, backwoods red-necks.
>If the stereotypes are to be believed, there are quite a
>few people meeting that description in Raid's locale, so
>maybe he does know a lot of survivalist-type John Grahm's
>who don't have directory listings...
Hey Nick....
Atleast my family tree actually has branches. You suffer from way
to much sister/brother fucking it seems. (Yuck, Now I'm stooping
to your level. Next I'll be "analysing" some top secret piece of
lethal word macro code. hehe
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
==================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
In article <sei3mum...@corp.supernews.com>, "Kadabra"
<ab...@fuschia.com> wrote:
>Did you give a copy to Gig?
I don't see how it's any of your business who I gave it to? I
don't have to answer for writing the virus or sharing it with my
friends.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
========================
rom: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
In article <8cc86s$fmu$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>Although on January 13th you said you would. So you can
>understand people's confusion on this.
I understand you can't read very well, Yes. I have already
responded to this. I had already told you that I did not spread
it. If you try the bullshit you tried with toadie, sophos might
have severe internet connection difficulties, consider yourself
warned.
<<<<<<< terrorist threat to disrupt a businesses computer >>>>>
>You should perhaps reconsider who your friends are.
You should learn when to quit. The hole your digging is going to
blow up on you Graham. Your smartass attitude will all come
crashing down on you. And you'll only have yourself to blame for
it. When the admins of sophos wonder why they are recieving
gigabit packets, You will have to explain why you lied to a
<<<<<<< terrorist threat to disrupt a businesses computer >>>>>
reporter to get a reaction from a virus author. They'll wonder
just what kind of reaction you were going for, As they give you
your walking papers. And maybe when we see you working for Mcafee
or possibly symantec, your attitude will deminish.
>It seems one of them has been irresponsible with the virus, and
>it has been posted into the wild.
That doesn't mean *I* posted it. You seem to have a real hard
problem with the fact that I don't spread my work. I write
viruses, I've never said I didn't. But I don't spread them into
the internet. Placing them on a website is not spreading the
virus. A user MUST visit my site, click some links just to get to
the virus archive, and still agree to download the virus. Even
then, the user must then infect a bait file and run it before he
can do anything with the virus. The "irok v1.1 is initializing"
is for 1stgen runs, Avers. (This is also going into my
incompetent avers article). That's a bit too much direct user
interaction required for you to even hint that placing them on a
website is malicious or spreading.
>What is more whoever posted the virus into the wild appears to
>have deliberately used a pseudonym that you have used in
>the past!
So what Graham? John Grahms.. Big deal. I used the name before, I
<<<<< evidence prima facie >>>>>>
still do. Why don't you just flat out accuse me of spreading it
then Graham? Oh that's right, because I didn't spread it, and
other then this inneundo bullshit, you've got no proof otherwise.
Sorry about that Graham, honest.
>Maybe someone is trying to frame you! It does seem
>more likely that someone is trying to frame you by using your
>pseudonym "John Grahms" as it doesn't appear to be a very
>popular name in the USA after all.
Frame me for what Graham? You can't frame somebody without a
crime being commited. And I certainly haven't commited any.
If the person who posted it wants people to think I posted it,
then he's done well (if he wanted stupid incompetent antivirus
people to think so) I'm pretty sure tho that the general public
doesn't think too highly of your field right now. I'm not worried
about somebody trying to impersonate me, your the only one who
seems to make a big issue out of it.
>If it had been John Smith, Jennifer Jones, or Hoover Blumenstock
>then there might have been some more debate about it.
What's to debate Graham? You've got nothing. I hate firing on an
unarmed man.
>What steps will you be taking to ensure no future viruses
>written by you will be breaking into the wild?
I will not be taking any steps which are excessive and aren't
required. Irok is in the wild, but it wasn't me that put it
there, so you really don't have much of a pot to piss in Graham,
sorry.
>Have you taken legal advice on this from an expert in this
>field? What did they say?
According to an attorney I spoke with, unless I spread the virus
or showed malicious intentions with regard to spreading it
(You'd have to prove I did spread it), Their ain't shit you or
uncle sam can do to me. At the same time, if I went to trial for
it and was found innocent, I can counter sue you and the federal
government for millions in damages and being as your side failed
to convict me, you'd be forking me a shitload of cash. I should
have listened to you a long time ago, and spoke with a lawyer
then. :) I had no idea the money I can make in this business. ;p
>Of course, it's not just US law which you would need to get
>advice upon, but international law as well. There are well
>known examples of US citizens who have written malicious code
>who have been extradited or tried outside of the USA.
In this country, the software was written with united states
jurisdiction which takes precedence over all others. Good try
tho, graham.
=======================================
rom: sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk (sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
In article <02b0db08...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> In article <8cc86s$fmu$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> >Although on January 13th you said you would. So you can
> >understand people's confusion on this.
>
> I understand you can't read very well, Yes. I have already
> responded to this.
Yes I know that.
> I had already told you that I did not spread it.
Yes I know you've said that. I'm just saying it's confusing because one
minute you say one thing, and then you say something else.
> If you try the bullshit you tried with toadie, sophos might
> have severe internet connection difficulties, consider yourself
> warned.
What bullshit about Toadie? I thought you confirmed the journalist
acknowledged he had misquoted me?
> >You should perhaps reconsider who your friends are.
>
> You should learn when to quit. The hole your digging is going to
> blow up on you Graham. Your smartass attitude will all come
> crashing down on you. And you'll only have yourself to blame for
> it.
Eh? I'm trying to help you here Raid! One of your friends apparently
spread your virus - using *your* pseudonym! Surely that's a good reason
to reconsider who your friends are?
> When the admins of sophos wonder why they are recieving
> gigabit packets, You will have to explain why you lied to a
> reporter to get a reaction from a virus author. They'll wonder
> just what kind of reaction you were going for, As they give you
> your walking papers. And maybe when we see you working for Mcafee
> or possibly symantec, your attitude will deminish.
What kind of reaction was I looking for? I was looking for a "Thanks
Graham, I'll be more careful who my friends are next time". I don't
know
why you're so het up old chap. I was trying to help you!
> >It seems one of them has been irresponsible with the virus, and
> >it has been posted into the wild.
>
> That doesn't mean *I* posted it.
Did I say you did? Nope.
> You seem to have a real hard problem with the fact that
> I don't spread my work.
Not at all, I think it's great if you don't spread your viruses. I
do think you should be more careful who you give them to, as it seems
someone is deliberately spreading them in the wild -- sometimes even
using
your pseudonyms! Seems to me they are trying to get you into trouble.
You should investigate this.
> I write viruses, I've never said I didn't.
Neither did I!
> But I don't spread them into the internet.
But you do give them to "friends". And these friends (or at least one of
them, who uses your pseudonym John Grahms) seems to spread it onto the
internet. All I'm suggesting is that you are more careful in future.
Maybe you shouldn't give them to anyone at all?
> Placing them on a website is not spreading the virus. A user
> MUST visit my site, click some links just to get to
> the virus archive, and still agree to download the virus. Even
> then, the user must then infect a bait file and run it before he
> can do anything with the virus. The "irok v1.1 is initializing"
> is for 1stgen runs, Avers. (This is also going into my
> incompetent avers article). That's a bit too much direct user
> interaction required for you to even hint that placing them on a
> website is malicious or spreading.
>
> >What is more whoever posted the virus into the wild appears to
> >have deliberately used a pseudonym that you have used in
> >the past!
>
> So what Graham?
So what? So WHAT??? Don't you think it's interesting that someone
should
want to use your pseudonym when spreading your viruses... apparently
against your permission? It was against your permission, right?
> John Grahms.. Big deal. I used the name before, I still do.
> Why don't you just flat out accuse me of spreading it then
> Graham?
Because you've told me you didn't. And I, for one, have no reason to
doubt you. Instead I believe your story that one of your friends has
(unbeknownst to you) used your pseudonym to plant your virus on various
internet newsgroups.
What I'm interested in is what you're going to do about this person
using
your pseudonym and spreading your viruses? If I was you I would be well
and truly miffed!!
> Oh that's right, because I didn't spread it, and other then
> this inneundo bullshit, you've got no proof otherwise.
> Sorry about that Graham, honest.
Innuendo? I haven't made any innuendo. I have taken your story at face
value and asked if you are going to find out who is using *your*
pseudonym
to use your viruses. Crumbs - you must be well peeved about that.
> >Maybe someone is trying to frame you! It does seem
> >more likely that someone is trying to frame you by using your
> >pseudonym "John Grahms" as it doesn't appear to be a very
> >popular name in the USA after all.
>
> Frame me for what Graham? You can't frame somebody without a
> crime being commited.
But Raid - because this person is using a pseudonym you usually use (and
which we've already found out isn't a very popular name in the USA after
all) then it will appear to the rest of the world that you, yes you!,
actually spread the virus. And you've already told us that you didn't.
Despite what you said on January 13th.
So we are fighting for your right for a fair trial. We want the
person
who spread the virus on the internet (using your pseudonym) brought to
justice. Whereas it appears they, by using your pseudonym, wanted *you*
to get into trouble.
And that's outrageous.
> And I certainly haven't commited any. If the person who posted
> it wants people to think I posted it, then he's done well (if
> he wanted stupid incompetent antivirus people to think so) I'm
> pretty sure tho that the general public doesn't think too highly
> of your field right now.
Is this a beauty contest all of a sudden?
> I'm not worried about somebody trying to impersonate me,
> your the only one who seems to make a big issue out of it.
But you should be worried! What if this person using your pseudonym
does
other naughty things? You could get in big trouble Raid. Have you
asked
your buddies yet which one of them is pretending to be you?
> >If it had been John Smith, Jennifer Jones, or Hoover Blumenstock
> >then there might have been some more debate about it.
>
> What's to debate Graham? You've got nothing. I hate firing on an
> unarmed man.
>
> >What steps will you be taking to ensure no future viruses
> >written by you will be breaking into the wild?
>
> I will not be taking any steps which are excessive and aren't
> required. Irok is in the wild, but it wasn't me that put it
> there, so you really don't have much of a pot to piss in Graham,
> sorry.
So, does that mean you aren't doing anything about this blatant breach
of
copyright and impersonation of your good self?
> >Have you taken legal advice on this from an expert in this
> >field? What did they say?
>
> According to an attorney I spoke with, unless I spread the virus
> or showed malicious intentions with regard to spreading it
> (You'd have to prove I did spread it), Their ain't shit you or
> uncle sam can do to me. At the same time, if I went to trial for
> it and was found innocent, I can counter sue you and the federal
> government for millions in damages and being as your side failed
> to convict me, you'd be forking me a shitload of cash. I should
> have listened to you a long time ago, and spoke with a lawyer
> then. :) I had no idea the money I can make in this business. ;p
So what you're saying is that you haven't taken legal advice from an
expert on this?
> >Of course, it's not just US law which you would need to get
> >advice upon, but international law as well. There are well
> >known examples of US citizens who have written malicious code
> >who have been extradited or tried outside of the USA.
>
> In this country, the software was written with united states
> jurisdiction which takes precedence over all others. Good try
> tho, graham.
Ask Dr Popp.
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
<<<<<<<< excellant examination technique >>>>>>
=================================================
From: sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk (sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
In article <08cff6fd...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,
soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid (Raid Slam) wrote:
> In article <8cd6rd$f8c$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> >Yes I know that.
>
> Then why do you keep asking the same questions Graham?
Eh? I didn't ask a question. I just stated a fact.
The facts are that on the 13th of January you said you were going to
release Irok into the wild. You also said I could quote you as saying
that. (Thank you). Since then you've said that you didn't release Irok
into the wild, someone else did. It was later pointed out to you that
the
person who posted Irok into the wild used one of your pseudonyms (you
didn't seem to have noticed that until I pointed it out to you).
And now all I'm doing is suggesting you might like to reconsider who
your
friends are - because they can't be very good friends if they treat you
like this.
And for some reason you get all upset and make threats of criminal
damage
against the company I work for. It's all very bewildering.
If you have any genuine threats of criminal damage to make against
Sophos
please make them in writing to the managing director so they can be
dealt
with in the appropriate manner. Casual email threats can not be dealt
with by our existing systems. Sophos's managing director's address is:
Peter Lammer
Sophos
Abingdon Science Park
Abingdon, Oxon
OX14 3YP
United Kingdom
Feel free to tell him what you think of me as my pay review is due next
week and I'm sure he'd appreciate input.
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
=======================================
From: Nick FitzGerald (ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
<<sceeds of endless BS snipped>>
> >Have you taken legal advice on this from an expert in this
> >field? What did they say?
>
> According to an attorney I spoke with, unless I spread the virus
> or showed malicious intentions with regard to spreading it
> (You'd have to prove I did spread it), Their ain't shit you or
> uncle sam can do to me. At the same time, if I went to trial for
> it and was found innocent, I can counter sue you and the federal
> government for millions in damages and being as your side failed
> to convict me, you'd be forking me a shitload of cash. I should
> have listened to you a long time ago, and spoke with a lawyer
> then. :) I had no idea the money I can make in this business. ;p
You'd better get a new attorney Raid -- that one
wasn'tworth shit!
Unless, of course, he is a good friend of Bubba...
> >Of course, it's not just US law which you would need to get
> >advice upon, but international law as well. There are well
> >known examples of US citizens who have written malicious code
> >who have been extradited or tried outside of the USA.
>
> In this country, the software was written with united states
> jurisdiction which takes precedence over all others. Good try
> tho, graham.
If that is your opinion, we are not surprised it
is so far out in left field it's in the wrong
ball-park. If that really is what your lawyer
told you, I hope you can afford a much better one
to take a malpractise suit against this one after
Bubba's reamed you for a few years...
--
Nick FitzGerald
====================================
From: Nick FitzGerald (ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/04
Kaiser-Sose <kaise...@NOSPAMangelfire.com> felt it
necessary to expose his incredible ignorance thus:
> ... In the mean time it probably never did any other damage. I
> haven't had the privilage to decompile this baby but my guess is that the
> original file names are written somewhere. Assuming Raid left a backdoor.
> Or maybe not. Either way the files weren't corrupted.
You don't know Raid at all.
Raid is a malicious, nasty little piece of work. The
idea of putting a backdoor into one of his own "creations"
to reverse the damage that its victims, as he sees and so
often says, "deserve evrything they get" is laughable in
the extreme.
I don't care that you don't like me because you were
stupid enough to spout on at length, further exposing your
own ignorance despite clear indications of that. That
just shows you are thick-skinned *and* stupid.
If you wish to keep reminding us of this with inane and
misdirected posts like the one I'm replying to, please do.
--
Nick FitzGerald
=========================================
From: Robert Green (rgr...@avana.net)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/05
On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:13:40 -0800, Raid Slam
<soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <qTBD4.2007$OE6....@newsfeed.slurp.net>, "kjk"
><1...@get.net> wrote:
>
>>I've got your virus but nothings happened as of yet other than
>>the fact that IE5.0 won't access any web pages. Could somebody
>>at least tell me how to get rid of this thing???
>
>Nothing is supposed to happen, atleast not right away... Irok
>doesn't interact with IE or netscape, so Irok isn't at fault for
>IE not working, sorry.
>
>
>> It was posted to several newsgroups but
>>this addy. jgr...@yahoo.com
>
>Thanks, I've contacted this individual. The person (I don't know
>what sex they are) sent me a few... amusing emails. Since when do
>antivirus companies solicite you for viruses? (apparently, one
>does now...) Here's the emails I got about it:
Hmmm. Wasn't "jgrahms" the name you used when you emailed me about
your Toad antivirus thing last year?
Seems you're being your usual devious self....
<<<<<< evidence prima facie >>>>>>>>>>
=========================================
From: Joe (j...@nospam.net)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/05
Raid Slam wrote:As for sophos, I know for a fact that it cannot handle
the
> bandwidth I routinely use for... other activities (Hey, how else
> are you supposed to see the new movies before the movie theaters
> do? ;p)
>
> Regards,
> Raid [SLAM]
Hi,
I like reading your posts Raid, but I have to ask...
aren't you against pirating/warez or whatever you want to call it? I
remember
seeing you lash out at what you called "warez puppies" and the like on
several
occassions yet you make a remark about seeing movies before they come
out. Isn't
that a little hipocritical?
<<<<<<< oter criminal behavior >>>>>>>
==================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/05
In article <01bf9e7b$bcd05880$0500000a@mobilenick>, "Nick
FitzGerald" <ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>You'd better get a new attorney Raid -- that one
>wasn'tworth shit!
Not true. You have nothing on me Nick, you never will and you
never have. You've made harmless threats to me for years. You
probably got the fucker to call my house the one time he did. you
are nothing but a little fuckhead Nick, that's all you are now,
that's all you will ever be. A script kiddy lamah.
Try "analysing" something besides word macros, peon.
>If that is your opinion, we are not surprised it
>is so far out in left field it's in the wrong
>ball-park. If that really is what your lawyer
>told you, I hope you can afford a much better one
>to take a malpractise suit against this one after
>Bubba's reamed you for a few years...
Nick, you speak as if you have had much practice with anal
buttfucking. Poor childhood? (Low shot sure, but fuck em)
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
================================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/05
In article <8cfolr$s88$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
sop...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>How come Patricia gets the charming invites for a muffin with
>Raid and the rest of us don't?
Erm. I think were on the wrong page here Graham. I'm not asking
the woman for a date, I'm asking if she would like to meet on
neutral ground for discussion. The only reason I've offered to do
so is because she lives withen distance from me; And because i'm
dieing to drive my truck. (I just got it back you see, had some
engine work done)
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<< US Citizenship - near Virginia USA >>>>>
=============================
methods to divert on point attacks
personal attacks
KOTM
using mother's computer
being a child
plonking
===============================
From: ham...@cix.compulink.co.uk (ham...@cix.compulink.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/08
ra...@swva.net (Patricia A. Shaffer) wrote:
> On 8 Apr 2000 11:26:13 GMT, ham...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> >Anyway, Raid says he has taken expert legal advice and that
> >he thinks he has done nothing wrong. He's offered to have
> >hot muffins and cocoa with an alt.comp.virus participant
> > to chat about viruses face-to-face.
>
> Umm, the invitation was for coffee and discussion ... no
> muffins <g>.
You never know what these things can lead to. Coffee and discussion can
some become hot muffins and cocoa. Next thing you know he'll be
whisking
you off to a drive-through chapel in Las Vegas.
> It was tempting enough that I had to think about it all day
> before I could answer. It just felt to me as if it would be
> dangerous for him, since he is such an anonymous poster, and
> for me, since I would then be a threat to his anonymity.
That's true. And he's made threats against people and organisations in
the past.
> Too bad there isn't a way we could meet without either of us
> seeing each other, that way we would both feel safer.
How about video conferencing? If you wore a wastepaper basket over your
head and promised not to peek then you wouldn't know what he looked
like.
I don't know if Raid is that bothered about hiding his identity anyway.
A
few years ago he sent me a snapshot of himself asking if I'd like to
include it on the alt.comp.virus.pictures website (I chose not to).
> But I think he was just teasing me, because as ignorant as
> I am about viruses and code, what could I discuss?
Do you have a truck?
--
Graham Cluley, Head of Corporate Communications, Sophos Anti-Virus
email: gcl...@sophos.com http://www.sophos.com
US Support: +1 888 SOPHOS 9 UK Support: +44 1235 559933
<<<<< threat evidence prima facie >>>>>>
============================
From: Raid Slam (soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/10
In article <#hVz$7xo$GA.305@cpmsnbbsa04>, "Randy Abrams"
<ran...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>Then why did Raid pull so many of his posts after the Melissa
>incidents? Why did the Vx virtually disappear for a month then?
I shouldn't be posting with the bullshit going on.. But, here
goes. Randy, We've been over this a hundred times (I bet you said
it so I would post again.. ah well, I fell for it) I did not
delete any messages either before or after the "melissa"
incident. Deja.com didn't archive my msgs that had the
x-no-archive header. (but remarq did) And I only removed
"DUPLICATE" (read that, copy=more then one) msgs, NEVER the
originals.
I realize we keep going back and forth with this, but i really do
wish you could back this claim up. I know I didn't delete any
msgs, and It pisses me off when you claim I did.
>No doubt the "traitor" tag would be applied only by the least
>mature of the Vx.
Uh Huh.
Regards,
Raid [SLAM]
<<<<<<< Fran check for evidence tampering?? >>>>>>>
============================
From: Randy Abrams (ran...@microsoft.com)
Subject: Re: Irok virus?
Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus
Date: 2000/04/10
Raid Slam <soho20N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:24e2b6c9...@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com...
> In article <#hVz$7xo$GA.305@cpmsnbbsa04>, "Randy Abrams"
> <ran...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Then why did Raid pull so many of his posts after the Melissa
> >incidents? Why did the Vx virtually disappear for a month then?
>
> I shouldn't be posting with the bullshit going on.. But, here
> goes. Randy, We've been over this a hundred times (I bet you said
> it so I would post again.. ah well, I fell for it)
No, actually if that was my motivation I would have posted the email
where
you told Dr. Costas you could prevent your future viruses from getting
into
the wild, followed by the reports of irok, followed by your claim to be
a
man of your word. "Uh Huh".
>I did not
> delete any messages either before or after the "melissa"
> incident. Deja.com didn't archive my msgs that had the
> x-no-archive header. (but remarq did) And I only removed
> "DUPLICATE" (read that, copy=more then one) msgs, NEVER the
> originals.
Amazing coincidence how all of those messages just disappeared from a
bit
before Melissa hit.
>
> I realize we keep going back and forth with this, but i really do
> wish you could back this claim up. I know I didn't delete any
> msgs, and It pisses me off when you claim I did.
Back up the claim with missing messages? But they aren't there or there
wouldn't be a claim! I suppose you're going to claim that you used the
x-no-archive when you sent your famous "You ignorant SOB, I am an OEM
for
Microsoft." message?
<snip>
Regards,
Randy
<<<<<<< evidence tampering witness >>>>>
==================================
PaX
additions?
Francis is of now use to you now.
rgrds DDS
PaX
Nope that should read PaX Evidence of sending virus to aproved virus lab.
rgrds Dalton
PaX
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=alt.comp.virus&as_uauthors=verdun&
num=100
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=alt.comp.virus&as_uauthors=blooven
&num=100
How many times are you going to continue to break the AUP of the @home
service?
"Messages posted to newsgroups must comply with the written charters or FAQs
for those newsgroups. Advertisements, solicitations, or other commercial
messages should be posted only in those newsgroups whose charters or FAQs
explicitly permit them. You are responsible for determining the policies of
a given newsgroup before posting to it."
"You may not attempt to "flood" or disrupt Usenet newsgroups. Disruption is
defined as posting a large number of messages to a newsgroup which contain
no substantive content, to the extent that normal discussion in the group is
significantly hindered. "
hope this helps
Rgrds DD Shelby
PaX
child Verdun/Blooven to get under my skin.I shall simply ignore him/her/it
now and attempt to continue in a more usual discussive manner.
Kind Regards D D Shelby
The Night Stalker
Steve Sprague, MCP
eAegis http://www.stormpages.com/eaegis
news:alt.comp.anti-virus
PaX <p...@demonoids.org> wrote in message
news:kNTX6.21109$7c4.4...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net...
blooven
Sorry but I don't write viruses nor release them into the wild
nor do I post the names of other virus writers to deflect my guilt,
nor do I threaten the lives of Federal Agents, nor do I threaten
computer systems at businesses, nor do claim that I have the home phone
of FBI agents that I will post on the Internet.
PaX wrote:
>
>
> How many times are you going to continue to break the AUP of the @home
> service?
>
> "Messages posted to newsgroups must comply with the written charters or FAQs
> for those newsgroups. Advertisements, solicitations, or other commercial
> messages should be posted only in those newsgroups whose charters or FAQs
> explicitly permit them. You are responsible for determining the policies of
> a given newsgroup before posting to it."
>
> "You may not attempt to "flood" or disrupt Usenet newsgroups. Disruption is
> defined as posting a large number of messages to a newsgroup which contain
> no substantive content, to the extent that normal discussion in the group is
> significantly hindered. "
Boy you must really feel threatened with what I have to say.
and did you tell them that you are an admitted virus writer? lol
blooven
Are you living in a bizaro world?
blooven
Do you not know they see you for what you are?
You pathetic twit -
PaX wrote:
>
> also for your enjoyment Francis..
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=alt.comp.virus&as_uauthors=verdun&
> num=100
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=alt.comp.virus&as_uauthors=blooven
> &num=100
>
> How many times are you going to continue to break the AUP of the @home
> service?
How sad it must be to be YOU - so desperate, so disturbed, so disgusting
blooven
Which I evidently am following.
S.NAPper
"PaX" <p...@demonoids.org> writes:
>Please accept my apology to the usual users of these groups for allowing the
>child Verdun/Blooven to get under my skin.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
aka :-) 'blooverdumben.of.the.highest.order.of.the.blooverdumbest, Ph.K'.
>I shall simply ignore him/her/it now and attempt to continue in a more usual
>discussive manner.
Well; one more E-ccount to your killfile; but he/she/..it is so much 'fun' to
puss orf BIG TIME & he/she/..it is virtually guaranteed to take the bait. ;-)
I say: "let's tease; and thus burn him/her/..it alive." <!> ;-)
[ I haven't had my due dose of death threats so far this 'weak/mouth' ;-]
Dear resident a.c.{a}v tuuatt, idoiot, etc..., moreon,
Let us see how many more NON-'mentally-challenged' pisters you can drive away
to somewhere more civili{s|z}ed arena --- n. [L., sand], 'the place of combat
covered in {blinded with} sand for performance in a circus...
Keep it up dimbulb <!!!> <S> ;-)
Hey,
>Kind Regards D D Shelby
E-Me sometime; you know where I'm @,
S.N.pper
^ - ih.venotusedthismorphfor.longwhile-imustgetitupgr.dedtothel.test$.
-- -
Stuff the B's - Show Me the Honey !
blooven
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Oxon, UK know what a doofus
representing them fine name? lol
blooven
>
> Please accept my apology to the usual users of these groups for allowing the
> child Verdun/Blooven to get under my skin.I shall simply ignore him/her/it
I believe they put the lethal injection needle in a vein not under the
skin
Raid
> how can you slander someone who admits they writer computer viruses?
> lol
Writing computer viruses isn't illegal. Slander occurs when you
intentionally
defame someones character and/or rep by displaying/posting/saying
things
which are indeed not true (code theif comments you've made). I admit
i'm not
breaking any laws. However, you cannot say the same. You've defamed,
Pax, myself, Nick Fitzgerald, Serato (most of us being in professional
fields) with
comments you have no way of proving are true; Although you have no
problem
posting them as fact. Btw, it's "write". :) Re: a post where you
corrected
someones english spelling. Laugh Laugh.
Btw, in reference to your other question; I pay taxes which are
supposed to be
used to educate you. If only in some small way, I can see it's a waste
of money.
I'm talking the federal tax dollars I pay, not state, Kiddo.
In reference to your thread "Are pax and raid the same person".. Er,
No;
we are not the same person. Pax resides in the UK, I reside in the
Usa. I'm
afraid it's too far of a flight to fly there, post, fly back, post,
and manage
to earn a paycheck in between flights. <g>
Regards,
Raid [slam]
Raid
> <<<<<<<< tell Grey I got him - prima facie >>>>>>>>>>>
> ====================================================================
You got what Kiddo? :)
Some usenet posts from a few years ago.. LAugh, yes.. Oooh..
Btw, which code did I steal, from whom/which virus, and when? Surely blooven
you can answer this question?
Regards,
Raid [slam]
BTW: you realize your probably spamming reposting archived newsposts? It's
considered more proper to simply post a link to them. You are capable of
doing this aren't you?
Morgan
I think I'll just quietly slip out the back door and let you guys kiss and
make-up.
Rudolf Polzer
AFAIK you can only admit 'bad' things. You cannot admit you are _not_
breaking any laws - you, being a native speaker, should know this. Or is
there an exception Germans are not told at school?
OT, therefore: Fup2me
SCNR
--
www42:~ # mv /mnt/c/windows/win.com /dev/null
mv: /dev/null: data refused
Raid
> AFAIK you can only admit 'bad' things. You cannot admit you are _not_
> breaking any laws - you, being a native speaker, should know this. Or is
> there an exception Germans are not told at school?
Amusing. Your not familiar with sarcasm then? You being a usenet poster, should
know it's lame to critize someone's spelling/grammatical errors. :)
Regards,
Raid [slam]
Rudolf Polzer
Now I see what I overlooked - you quoted something with 'to admit' and
referred to it here. Sorry... but I bet you know what SCNR means ;)
And you should know: one only criticizes spelling/grammatical errors when
there are no other mistakes ;)
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -- Forget the express prospect!#Which was the original text?
use LWP'Simple;use URI'Escape;print"e> ";<STDIN>=~/(.*)/;for(en_de=>'de_en')
{get("http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr?doit=done&tt=urltext&lp=$_&urltext="
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S.NAPper
blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven> writes:
aka :-) 'blooverdumben.of.the.highest.order.of.the.blooverdumbest, Ph.K'.
S.Quote :-)
Well; one more E-ccount to your killfile; but he/she/..it is so much 'fun' to
puss orf BIG TIME & he/she/..it is virtually guaranteed to take the bait. ;-)
"guaranteed" ;-)
-- -
>you illerate punk - do you bosses there at Rutherford Appleton Laboratory,
"your"
>Oxon, UK
Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX - If you want the phone numbers; just ask sugs
Yuppers; and they are not best 'chuffed' with keeping "your" kindda krap
on our servers, and, well, you, in all "your" incarnations, will be gone
well soon enough, and all across the ac.UK...
Ain't it 'nice' being the backbone of JANET. ;-)
>know what a doofus representing them fine name? lol
ROTFLKAS,
S.NAPper
- The Independent Independent - no affiliation.
ends
-- -
Butt left in for your 'entertainment'... ;-)
>S.NAPper wrote:
>>
>> In article <kNTX6.21109$7c4.4...@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>
>> "PaX" <p...@demonoids.org> writes:
>>
>> >Please accept my apology to the usual users of these groups for allowing the
>> >child Verdun/Blooven to get under my skin.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> aka :-) 'blooverdumben.of.the.highest.order.of.the.blooverdumbest, Ph.K'.
>>
>> >I shall simply ignore him/her/it now and attempt to continue in a more usual
>> >discussive manner.
>>
>> Well; one more E-ccount to your killfile; but he/she/..it is so much 'fun' to
>> puss orf BIG TIME & he/she/..it is virtually guaranteed to take the bait. ;-)
>>
>> I say: "let's tease; and thus burn him/her/..it alive." <!> ;-)
>>
>> [ I haven't had my due dose of death threats so far this 'weak/mouth' ;-]
>>
>> Dear resident a.c.{a}v tuuatt, idoiot, etc..., moreon,
>>
>> Let us see how many more NON-'mentally-challenged' pisters you can drive away
>> to somewhere more civili{s|z}ed arena --- n. [L., sand], 'the place of combat
>> covered in {blinded with} sand for performance in a circus...
>>
>> Keep it up dimbulb <!!!> <S> ;-)
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> >Kind Regards D D Shelby
>>
>> E-Me sometime; you know where I'm @,
>>
>> S.N.pper
>> ^ - ih.venotusedthismorphfor.longwhile-imustgetitupgr.dedtothel.test$
AvengerŠ
wrote:
>Hi, it's my first time here but not being one to break up a lover's quarrel
>I think I'll just quietly slip out the back door and let you guys kiss and
>make-up.
>
Bloopen or Verdung (whatever the name of the little creature is) is a
Troll. Please don't feed the Troll.
blooven
Heather Figueroa
you pathetic, ignorant troll.
Back into the killfile with you. I am surprised you still have an
ISP.....perhaps I should drop them a note to say you are spamming the
news group.........again!!
In fact, just saw Frederic's post......I will follow his example.
HF
"blooven" <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
news:3B376050...@blooven.blooven...
blooven
it - you are a LOSER
blooven
>
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:43:17 GMT, blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven>
> wrote:
>
> >you illerate punk - do you bosses there at
> >Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Oxon, UK know what a doofus
> >representing them fine name? lol
> >
>
> correctness ?
>
> ==========================
> Costas Giannakenas MD, PhD
> ==========================
grammatical correctness lol - you do think a lot of yourself
try grammatically correct
Phil Carmody
'literacy' is an abstract noun.
'grammatical correctness' is an expression which acts as an abstract
noun.
'grammatically correct' is an expression which acts as an adjective.
Your 'correction' is a fine example of both inappropriateness and
stupid.
(sic.)
Phil
blooven
own ego -
grammatical correctness - is just plain wrong in this age of
Usenet
Costas Giannakenas MD PhD wrote:
> Try to detect irony.....
blooven
>
> blooven wrote:
> >
> > Costas, Giannakenas, MD, PhD wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:43:17 GMT, blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >you illerate punk - do you bosses there at
> > > >Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Oxon, UK know what a doofus
> > > >representing them fine name? lol
> > > >
> > >
> > > Whereas the above is a fine example of literacy and grammatical
> > > correctness ?
> > >
> > > ==========================
> > > Costas Giannakenas MD, PhD
> > > ==========================
> > grammatical correctness lol - you do think a lot of yourself
> >
> > try grammatically correct
>
> 'literacy' is an abstract noun.
> 'grammatical correctness' is an expression which acts as an abstract
> noun.
no an abuse of an english construct and a play on politcal correctness
grammar can not have an affiliation - it is either right or wrong not
based on a person's beliefs
> 'grammatically correct' is an expression which acts as an adjective.
>
and is the correct way to say it
> Your 'correction' is a fine example of both inappropriateness and
> stupid.
> (sic.)
you misused (sic) commode
{Minion}
Well, maybe i'll have to sit and read this group again in a few days...
You guys are fun..... :)
massive <snip>
* * Chas
--
Chas. ver...@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail me)
"Costas Giannakenas MD PhD" <cos...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:kuejjt0dta80f790h...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:59:07 GMT, blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven>
> wrote:
>
> Try to detect irony.....
Fat Phil
> Phil Carmody wrote:
> > blooven wrote:
> > > Costas, Giannakenas, MD, PhD wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:43:17 GMT, blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >you illerate punk - do you bosses there at
> > > > >Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Oxon, UK know what a doofus
> > > > >representing them fine name? lol
> > > > Whereas the above is a fine example of literacy and grammatical
> > > > correctness ?
> > > grammatical correctness lol - you do think a lot of yourself
> > > try grammatically correct
> > 'literacy' is an abstract noun.
> > 'grammatical correctness' is an expression which acts as an abstract
> > noun.
> no an abuse of an english construct and a play on politcal correctness
> grammar can not have an affiliation - it is either right or wrong not
> based on a person's beliefs
Read that again to yourself. Then when you realise it's bollocks cancel
your post please.
> > 'grammatically correct' is an expression which acts as an adjective.
> and is the correct way to say it
What is 'it' in this context? It's the best way to use the concept in an
adjectival way, yes. However, an adjective was not suitable at that
point.
> > Your 'correction' is a fine example of both inappropriateness and
> > stupid.
> > (sic.)
> you misused (sic) commode
It may be over a decade since I did Latin, but I still know that /sic/
means 'thus'. It is used to draw attention to the fact that the
preceding error is deliberate. This error may be typically in quoted
material, but does not have to be.
You may have the honour of a last reply to this, you really aren't worth
the effort of any further ones. Having said that I have a copy of
travesty.pl, I can just simulate your reply right now...
Phil
Heather Figueroa
latter being the best of course <grin> Never assume....I am not
spanish either.
Quibble here.....total segue!! One does not "loose" things or is a
"looser"......the correct spelling is "lose or
loser".........definition of a "loser' is blooven/vermin. Just had to
set that straight......puts my teeth on edge, that does.
Heather (the English Professor)
"* * Chas" <ver...@aol.spamski.com (remove spamski to e-mail me)>
wrote in message
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blooven
you mean unintentional?
> This error may be typically in quoted
> material, but does not have to be.
I don't think the person doing the writing can add sic to his own words
- only someone evaluating or analysing what was written. Could be wrong.
>
> You may have the honour of a last reply to this, you really aren't worth
> the effort of any further ones. Having said that I have a copy of
> travesty.pl, I can just simulate your reply right now...
I'm sure you have more than just the travesty of corpulence.
Seems as though you have plenty of free time to raise a trivial original
blowhard post (by the doc) into something approaching words of wisdom.
blooven
>
> And you are assuming he is not American, English or Canadian??? The
> latter being the best of course <grin> Never assume....I am not
> spanish either.
>
> Quibble here.....total segue!! One does not "loose" things or is a
> "looser"......the correct spelling is "lose or
> loser".........definition of a "loser' is blooven/vermin. Just had to
> set that straight......puts my teeth on edge, that does.
oh heather you busy body hen pecking fuss bucket - your teeth are
usually in one of two places - a glass and nicely wrapped around a
word that rhymes with splincter. - you are an English Preposter right
Terence Smith
"* * Chas" <ver...@aol.spamski.com (remove spamski to e-mail me)> wrote in
message news:38t_6.12259$C81.9...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
<Ahem> If he isn't a native, he, isp facto, speaks English!
Terry "Fog in Channel, Continent isolated" Smith.
Frederic Bonroy
> Any asshole with a degree behind his name who comes into a Usenet
> group and starts criticizing the common folk for their grammar is an
> insecure asshole.
Then go back to Message-ID: <3B309A79...@blooven.blooven> and
carefully re-read the message. Then think twice about whether the
"asshole with a degree behind his name" is really an asshole or not.
I tend to think he is not.
Phil Carmody
No I don't.
> > This error may be typically in quoted
> > material, but does not have to be.
>
> I don't think the person doing the writing can add sic to his own words
> - only someone evaluating or analysing what was written. Could be wrong.
Typically that is how it is used, yes.
The closest equivalent to /sic/ that I can think of would be the
linguists' asterisk. If linguists are analysing constructions and they
need to write something that is either impossible to legitimately form,
or not known to be possible to form, then they'll usually prefix it with
an asterisk, thus:
*He am.
Now for a start, the /sic/ denotation is far more widely known than the
asterisk. More importantly, though, /sic/ permits you to appear to make
the actual mistake, rather than just documenting the construction as a
mistake. It therefore is quite useful as rhetoric, or for parody. In
contrast * is just cold and like the disection of a lab animal, with
bugger all scope for wit.
> > You may have the honour of a last reply to this, you really aren't worth
> > the effort of any further ones. Having said that I have a copy of
> > travesty.pl, I can just simulate your reply right now...
>
> I'm sure you have more than just the travesty of corpulence.
> Seems as though you have plenty of free time to raise a trivial original
> blowhard post (by the doc) into something approaching words of wisdom.
My choice of threads and content has ho a priori logic. Sometimes I just
feel like 'contributing' to something that's already died a death. While
I may be 'jerk', I'm also 'picador'. And they're both fun.
So, Usenet may be a bit of a hobby, but I could stop at any time,
honest.
Phil
Omnivore
<ha...@terras.com> wrote in message
news:3ulljtsir75horqpm...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:57:24 +0300, Costas Giannakenas MD PhD
> <cos...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:59:07 GMT, blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >==========================
> >Costas Giannakenas MD, PhD
> >==========================
>
> group and starts criticizing the common folk for their grammar is an
> insecure asshole.
Are you a newbie smart-ass come to get bitchy about what you do not know
what is going on?
Or maybe you are a bloovin sock puppet?
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
news:3B3B2859...@altavista.com...
> My choice of .h.eads and con.... has ho a priori logic. Sometimes I just
> feel like 'contributing' .. something that's already died . ...... While
> I may be 'jerk', I'm also 'picador'. And they're .... fun.
> ... Usenet may be a bit .........., but I could .top at any time,
> honest.
> Phil
Hey honest Phil!
Keep up the comedy Carmody ;-)
You will certainly not mind my liberal editing to add to the fun and
frivolity, eh?
blooven
the places I see 'sic' the most are in old US Western Documents - like
Fremonts diary - to show where the spelling they used for places has
been changed or 'corrected' to show modern or actual present usage
also I think when they quote Daniel Boone 'killing a Bear' in 1760.
blooven
damn - one sock puppet down the drain - what gave my BOn BOn vestigial
sock puppet away?
HiEv
>
[snip]
> the places I see 'sic' the most are in old US Western Documents - like
> Fremonts diary - to show where the spelling they used for places has
> been changed or 'corrected' to show modern or actual present usage
> also I think when they quote Daniel Boone 'killing a Bear' in 1760.
Actually, you use "[sic]" to show that you DIDN'T correct the spelling
from the original quotation.
See the "Citation of Sources in Text" section at:
http://faculty.vassar.edu/~jamorrow/apaquote.html
or the "Sic" section at:
blooven
>
> blooven wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > the places I see 'sic' the most are in old US Western Documents - like
> > Fremonts diary - to show where the spelling they used for places has
> > been changed or 'corrected' to show modern or actual present usage
> > also I think when they quote Daniel Boone 'killing a Bear' in 1760.
>
> Actually, you use "[sic]" to show that you DIDN'T correct the spelling
> from the original quotation.
itchy hive - that's it - good boy
so either way the original poster was incorrect in his usage of 'sic'
* * Chas
My inferred comment was that a lot of non-native English speakers do a
better job of writing in English than many of the teenage native speakers
who contribute to these NGs. I get bored reading their semi-literate posts.
From checking the internet headers on your messages I assume that you are
French. I think that you write very well in English. Giannakenas Costas has
a Greek address so I'm assuming that he is from Greece. His posts are very
well written.
--
Chas. ver...@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail me)
pubescent rants of the yobs and wankers!
"Frederic Bonroy" <yor...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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FromTheRafters
(I have evidence that he wrote the Toasterblaster trojan)
FromTheRafters
to learn English. Native speakers usually learn from their relatives and
their friends who have no interest in the language or what it is evolving
into. The former stays awake in English class because it piques their
interest, the latter sleeps because it bores them.
Old MacDonald "MacDonald Farms" CEO (EIEIO)
Raid
> And you should know: one only criticizes spelling/grammatical errors when
> there are no other mistakes ;)
Indeed. So why did you start by critizing the grammatical errors in my
previous post? :)
Regards,
Raid [slam]
PaX
is a human being. I remember him 'holding' Raid The Dung Heap's hand
and stroking Raid's troubled brow when he admitted there were times he
wanted to commit suicide.<<<<
Not really,thats just the actions of a considerate human being..
What gives me the impression that the most vocal of all protagonists are the
ones who in the past may have been shafted by some of my peers creations?
Of course all your super valuable data is worth more than a human life isnt
it??
At least most of the more vocal anti Vxers such as Nick etc have the plain
balls to post from thier isp accounts.
DDS
blooven
really then you tell me why he uses a UK email address, a NZ dialup
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Lee Higdon
<m...@meer.com> wrote in message
news:v7snjtkv24b7qos4a...@4ax.com...
> The same tired old anti-anon excuse.
>
> Anyone who cannot figure out the reason for privacy on the Web or
> Usenet is either stupid or a liar. In your case you virus writing
> scum, I think both reasons apply.
Well......for openers, it gives one the luxury of being able to flame with
absolute impunity.
--
Peace
Lee Higdon,
Plano, TX.
[Dalton]
Usenet is either stupid or a liar. In your case you virus writing
scum, I think both reasons apply.<<<
And of course I consider your opinion valuable because??
DDS
blooven
the archives?
blooven
back you little turd
The Night Stalker
Steve
blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
news:3B3BF47D...@blooven.blooven...
blooven
The Night Stalker
Steve
blooven <blo...@blooven.blooven> wrote in message
news:3B3C00CE...@blooven.blooven...
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
> so either way the original poster was incorrect in his usage of 'sic'
perhaps its time for someone to write a virus called "sic"
incorrect in its usage
just a thought
; - )
Pete
Phil Carmody
>
> HiEv wrote:
> >
> > blooven wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> > > the places I see 'sic' the most are in old US Western Documents - like
> > > Fremonts diary - to show where the spelling they used for places has
> > > been changed or 'corrected' to show modern or actual present usage
> > > also I think when they quote Daniel Boone 'killing a Bear' in 1760.
> >
> > Actually, you use "[sic]" to show that you DIDN'T correct the spelling
> > from the original quotation.
>
> itchy hive - that's it - good boy
>
> so either way the original poster was incorrect in his usage of 'sic'
(X->Y) -!> (Y->X)
i.e. all the advice in the world saying "if you want to quote something
that has mistakes then use sic" does _not_ imply that every time one
uses sic then it must be quoting something. Quotation symbols are the
dead give-away that something is being quoted, for reference.
Phil
blooven
so
Frederic Bonroy
> Usenet is either stupid or a liar. In your case you virus writing
> scum, I think both reasons apply.
Most of what comes from remailers is pure crap. Has absolutely
NOTHING to do with protecting privacy, but with cowardice.
The same tired old anti-anti-anon excuse.
Phil Carmody
>
> can a person use sic in his own original message? I don'ts (sic) think
> so
We differ then. As I said, view it more like the asterisk. I'm not
asking you to use it, so this isn't a life-changing thing.
Phil
e t e r s h e r w o o d @home.com Pete Sherwood
Bart Bailey
Then again, there's the chance of credibility loss that sometimes accompanies
posts made safely ensconced behind a nym.
~~Bart~~
Lee Higdon
"Bart Bailey" <f...@l.se> wrote in message news:3B3D7B0F...@amsat.org...
> Then again, there's the chance of credibility loss that sometimes
accompanies
> posts made safely ensconced behind a nym.
>
credibility ;-).
Bart Bailey
> "Bart Bailey" <f...@l.se> wrote in message news:3B3D7B0F...@amsat.org...
> > Then again, there's the chance of credibility loss that sometimes
> accompanies
> > posts made safely ensconced behind a nym.
> >
> Yes, that too. Although, nym posts don't necessarily have a lock on lack of
> credibility ;-)
Nothing has that lock in my evaluations, credibility is a dynamic assessment.
~~Bart~~
* * Chas
So are you from the left coast or a Newfy or somewhere in between?
--
Chas. ver...@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail me)
"Heather Figueroa" <heat...@NOSPAMsprint.ca> wrote in message news:KMt_6.8745$F42.1...@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
> And you are assuming he is not American, English or Canadian??? The
> latter being the best of course <grin> Never assume....I am not
> spanish either.
>
> Quibble here.....total segue!! One does not "loose" things or is a
> "looser"......the correct spelling is "lose or
> loser".........definition of a "loser' is blooven/vermin. Just had to
> set that straight......puts my teeth on edge, that does.
>
> Heather (the English Professor)
>
> "* * Chas" <ver...@aol.spamski.com (remove spamski to e-mail me)>
> wrote in message
> news:38t_6.12259$C81.9...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > You are doing very well for a non-native English speaker!
> > --
> > Chas. ver...@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail me)
<snip>