Requiem for Anusg ... to the tune of "Jesus Christ - Superstar" (with apologies to Murray Head)
rod
Every time I look at you I can't understand,
How you typed the crap you wrote with only one hand.
Were you born an imbecile without any plans ?
Or are you just a wanker with a firm grip on your glans ?
Your hardware-trashing viruses should be a world sensation.
Too bad your shitpit hick town has no mass communication.
Don't get me wrong,
Don't get me wrong,
Don't get me wrong,
Don'tcha get me wrong.
Only wanna know,
Only wanna know,
Only wanna know,
I only wanna know.
Anusg, Anusg,
Armed by Smith & Wesson and Weatherby.
Anusg, Anusg,
4Q thinks you're just a wannabe.
Anusg, Anusg,
We really miss you in acv.
Anusg, Anusg,
Don't believe that ... it's an L - I - E
Tell me what you think about your friends at the top.
Do you still think Vecna is the cream of the crop ?
Did you write his viruses and spread them near and far ?
Are you Dark Avenger ... or is that just PR ?
Did you think your virus crap would scare the whole nation ?
You're nothing but a clown engaged in dimbulb masturbation!
Don't get me wrong,
Don't get me wrong,
Don't get me wrong,
Don'tcha get me wrong.
Only wanna know,
Only wanna know,
Only wanna know,
I only wanna know.
Anusg, Anusg,
Why does the world doubt your sanity ?
Anusg, Anusg,
Don't you just wish you could be like me ?
Anusg, Superstar,
We know you're watching us from afar.
Anusg, Superstar,
Just who the hell do you think you are ?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanus ..... I only wanna know.
Oh tell me, won'tcha tell me ? Don't get me wrong,
I only wanna know .......................
[ Fades to special effects of naked steganographic killer viruses
whirling like dervishes as billowing smoke swirls around their
creator, trying to hide his true identity from the ever-watchful
eyes of the Secret Service and the KGB ]
[ Photographer from the Chillycoot Gazette swoons at the sight
of blood as a homicidal script kiddie from acvsc leaps up on
the stage and drives a rusty railroad spike through Anusg's
forehead ... script kiddie bows graciously as the VXers in the
audience give him a standing ovation ]
Andrew Lee
No way I'm snipping that!!
It's been framed on my wall.
Rod Lloyd Webber, you are a genius ;0)
Andrew
--
"Les lèvres des sages répandent partout la connaissance,
mais le coeur des fous ne fait pas ainsi."
- Proverbes 15:7
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LDH
wrote:
[Requiem for Anusg]
Well done!
On another note, what's happened to AVP Austrailia? You now seem to
be selling Eset NOD.
[Inquiring minds want to know]
LDH
Andrew Lee
4ax.com>:
>On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:48:03 +1000, "rod" <r...@antivirus.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>[Requiem for Anusg]
>
>Well done!
>
>On another note, what's happened to AVP Austrailia? You now seem to
>be selling Eset NOD.
He was selling both products until recently.
Have a look at the last 3 years of Virus Bulletin results (if you subscribe
they'll send you a back issues CD) of testing. Nothing else comes close to
NOD32 for detection, I imagine Rod has good enough business sense to
concentrate on the best rather than split himself down the middle.
Anyway, whatever the reason, it's good to see him posting again, maybe now
Anusg has gone a few more of the old timers ;0) will come back.
hope so anyway
Andrew
--
"Les lčvres des sages répandent partout la connaissance,
rod
"Andrew Lee" <gla...@gladius.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns9090C01A1A...@212.159.2.18...
>
> LDH <larr...@grar.com> wrote in <ih6jetkmtl3pglauntpi1bt6rdhkaasa3v@
> 4ax.com>:
>
> >On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:48:03 +1000, "rod" <r...@antivirus.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >[Requiem for Anusg]
> >
> >Well done!
> >
> >On another note, what's happened to AVP Austrailia? You now seem to
> >be selling Eset NOD.
>
> He was selling both products until recently.
Until last Wednesday, actually.
> Have a look at the last 3 years of Virus Bulletin results (if you subscribe
> they'll send you a back issues CD) of testing. Nothing else comes close
> to NOD32 for detection,
Obviously you're a subscriber, but for the benefit of those who aren't ......
You can't tell from looking at the VB100% Awards online, but NOD32 has
not missed a single "In The Wild" virus in Virus Bulletin tests in the past
three years.
Not bad going for a program hardly anyone has ever heard of.
> I imagine Rod has good enough business sense to concentrate on the
> best rather than split himself down the middle.
Partly that, although it's not all that difficult to distribute two antivirus
programs without conflict (and distribute them fairly to both vendors) if
you own two companies and keep the products completely separated
... I distributed ThunderByte and AVP side-by-side for several years
back when they were the #1 and #2 virus detectors in the world.
KAV is a still great antivirus program ... one of the best ... and my split
with Kaspersky Lab is down to "politics", not to dissatisfaction with the
product. KL's 2001 contract was unacceptable, so I didn't sign it. It's
as simple as that.
On the personal level, Eugene and Natalya and I are still good friends.
We're just no longer in business together.
> Anyway, whatever the reason, it's good to see him posting again,
I'm back ... but I probably won't become a "regular".
> maybe now Anusg has gone a few more of the old timers ;0) will
> come back.
Oi! Watch it with that "old" stuff, whippersnapper!
At my age, "old" is a four-letter word! :))
> hope so anyway
Thanks Andrew.
rod
"LDH" <larr...@grar.com> wrote in message
news:ih6jetkmtl3pglaun...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:48:03 +1000, "rod" <r...@antivirus.com.au> wrote:
>
> [Requiem for Anusg]
>
> Well done!
Thanks Larry.
(Contact 4Q to purchase a bootleg copy of the video clip.)
> On another note, what's happened to AVP Austrailia?
I closed the doors last Wednesday.
> You now seem to be selling Eset NOD.
Yep ... and already those nasty bitter evil twisted anti-social
[ insert favorite derogatory adjectives here ] VX types have
nicknamed me "Noddy Roddy". Grrrrr!
> [Inquiring minds want to know]
Maybe I should add a fifteen-line shill sig. :))
The Night Stalker
Stalker Steve, MCP
Alan Candy
> 4ax.com>:
>
> >On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:48:03 +1000, "rod" <r...@antivirus.com.au>
> >wrote:
> Have a look at the last 3 years of Virus Bulletin results (if you
subscribe
> they'll send you a back issues CD) of testing. Nothing else comes close to
> NOD32 for detection,
Take another look at the VB100% results maybe?
http://www.virusbtn.com/100/vb100sum.html Sure, maybe what they put on the
web site IS misleading, in which case they ought to revise the way they
issue the VB100% awards, but....
From the Web page, I see:
NAV and NOD32 with 14 awards,
Sophos & Norman VC with 13,
Kaspersky AVP with 12
In my view, that's "close" to NOD, even though AVP has clearly missed all of
the last 5 tests, after a steady series of successes. If AVP had kept up
(with say 4 of the last 5) and who knows why it hasn't, it would still be a
good way ahead.
I imagine Rod has good enough business sense to
> concentrate on the best rather than split himself down the middle.
Awed by the mighty Rod huh Andrew? Unable to see the truth for what it is?
> Anyway, whatever the reason, it's good to see him posting again, maybe now
> Anusg has gone a few more of the old timers ;0) will come back.
>
> hope so anyway
Well, I tend to keep out of this because I can't be bothered with all the
childishness, but for now, I'm putting my 5c in.
Art Kopp
wrote:
>> You now seem to be selling Eset NOD.
>
>Yep ... and already those nasty bitter evil twisted anti-social
>[ insert favorite derogatory adjectives here ] VX types have
>nicknamed me "Noddy Roddy". Grrrrr!
Noddy Roddy? Has a nice ring to it! Maybe you shouldn't have broadcast
this. It could become popular among nasty AV types as well :)
Art
Alan Candy
rod <r...@antivirus.com.au> wrote in message news:3aea01cd@grissom...
>
> "Andrew Lee" <gla...@gladius.f9.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Xns9090C01A1A...@212.159.2.18...
> >
> > LDH <larr...@grar.com> wrote in <ih6jetkmtl3pglauntpi1bt6rdhkaasa3v@
> > 4ax.com>:
> >
> > >On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:48:03 +1000, "rod" <r...@antivirus.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > >[Requiem for Anusg]
> > >
> > >Well done!
> > >
> > >On another note, what's happened to AVP Austrailia? You now seem to
> > >be selling Eset NOD.
> >
> > He was selling both products until recently.
>
> Until last Wednesday, actually.
I know you've unceremoniously "dumped" AVP, but when are you going to get
around to removing
"Kaspersky Lab Australia"
from your Organization: string??? Come to that, when were you ever
Kaspersky Lab Australia? I thought it was AVP Australia?
And what ya gonna do with that Licence Plate? ;-)))
[snip]
> You can't tell from looking at the VB100% Awards online, but NOD32 has
> not missed a single "In The Wild" virus in Virus Bulletin tests in the
past
> three years.
>
> Not bad going for a program hardly anyone has ever heard of.
How true. But in all fairness, you still ought to commend a number of other
vendors who are maintaining a full suite of AV products for a much wider
range of platforms than Eset, and still maintaining good results in VB
tests. Oh, but of course, you're a NOD32 man now!
> > I imagine Rod has good enough business sense to concentrate on the
> > best rather than split himself down the middle.
>
> Partly that, although it's not all that difficult to distribute two
antivirus
> programs without conflict (and distribute them fairly to both vendors) if
> you own two companies and keep the products completely separated
Funny to see you saying this after criticising me (okay, it was in private!)
so many times for selling more than one product!
In fact, what you say is not really true, is it? If you are the sole
salesman for both products, owning two companies and all the rest of it
doesn't really have anything to do with it, does it? You will tend to
favour one or the other depending on the circumstances, which is not to say
you won't do it well or fairly.
That's what (we think) we do. I.e. We try to be fair and look after the
client's interests rather than putting our own profit margin or other
preferences at the top of the list of priorities. Selling several products
gives you the advantage of not needing to push one product for better or
worse because that's all you've got. To me, that's more ethical.
And we advise our suppliers of our multiple involvements, rather than trying
to hide the fact that we are selling more than one product.
[snip]
> KAV is a still great antivirus program ... one of the best ... and my
split
> with Kaspersky Lab is down to "politics", not to dissatisfaction with the
> product. KL's 2001 contract was unacceptable, so I didn't sign it. It's
> as simple as that.
Yeah!!! ;-)))
> On the personal level, Eugene and Natalya and I are still good friends.
Well, I have to wonder how long you expect to remain good friends when you
have suddenly, without warning or apology, replaced everything on your AVP
sites with NOD32, without even so much as a link or a kind word to assist
your AVP customers to maintain their products as they have every right to
expect to do?
As I see it, you are using AVP's good reputation and client base to promote
your switch to NOD32. You are not offering your AVP clients any local
support, so, in effect, you are abandoning THEM, as well as Kaspersky Labs.
Maybe you have a completely loyal client base over there who will follow you
just because you're going that way now, but to deny them the choice - is
that ethical? Is it ethical to do exactly the same thing as Central Command
did? When Kaspersky dumps you, redirect what really, ethically speaking,
are their domain names, to your own uses, and deny their customers and other
interested parties the ease of finding them through a well known and
intuitive link to their products, updates and information? Do you expect
Kaspersky to have to change their product and domain names yet again...?
How many times, both here and in many other ways and places have you slammed
people who you have suspected (or proven) of trying to pirate a copy of AVP?
How long have you been their "righteous defender" against anyone who did
anything against AVP?
And now look at what you have done - completely delete everything to do with
AVP from your sites and replace it with NOD32. Seems to me Rod, you are
behaving exactly like a "disgruntled former employee" out to "hurt" your
former "employer".
Such behaviour is undermining the whole spirit of the Internet. No doubt,
in time, laws will be created to prevent this kind of thing, but who wants
yet more laws? Only the lawyers.
Rod, I say, whatever the reasons for your split with Kaspersky Labs, be fair
to them. You didn't like their proposed new contract. So what? If your
contract expired, it expired. They have every right to change their
contract at renewal time. If you don't like it, don't sign it, just as you
didn't.
But don't try to hurt them by using avp.com.au and kaspersky.com.au to
promote NOD32. That is self-serving. You put yourself into the same league
as Central Command, where once you were a great critic.
I know for a fact that Kaspersky rewarded you well for representing their
products. You've been paid. Now play fair.
If you want a (new or existing) AVP supplier to buy the old AVP domain names
from you, I'll take them for a year's standard Registration Fee each. We'll
continue supporting AVP at least until further notice. All AVP users in
Australia can contact us. Please don't hesitate to refer them to us.
And if your new supplier is happy with what you have done, I think they
should reconsider their future...
I'm posting this message publically because I think this is a public issue,
the use of a publically known domain name for what I consider unethical
purposes, regardless of the technical issue of who "legally" owns it.
Sincerely,
Alan Candy
Applied Insight Ltd
New Zealand
http://www.applied.co.nz
Nick FitzGerald
> Noddy Roddy? Has a nice ring to it! Maybe you shouldn't have broadcast
> this. It could become popular among nasty AV types as well :)
Surely you are not suggesting there are such types?
Rod, myself and many others would deeply shocked by such a suggestion...
8-)
--
Nick FitzGerald
Art Kopp
<ni...@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Oh, heavenstabetsy no! I'm sure you professionals wear long robes and
believe you will be struck dead in your tracks if you ever did
anything nasty. Or at least get caught at it :)
By AV types I was thinking all who are not VX, so that includes us
ordinary mortals.
Art
Andrew Lee
<QaoG6.1434$b7.2...@news.xtra.co.nz>:
>> Have a look at the last 3 years of Virus Bulletin results (if you
>subscribe
>> they'll send you a back issues CD) of testing. Nothing else comes
>> close to NOD32 for detection,
>
>Take another look at the VB100% results maybe?
>
>http://www.virusbtn.com/100/vb100sum.html Sure, maybe what they put on
>the web site IS misleading, in which case they ought to revise the way
>they issue the VB100% awards, but....
you said it your self, it's misleading. You have to actually read the
report that VB write up when they test, and you can clearly see that
nothing comes close to NOD32 in the tests, the VB 100% relate only to
a 100%ITW detection rate, but give no indication of the level of failure,
of the other products. I suggest that you subscribe to VB and actually
read their reports before trying to suggest that I don't know what Im
talking about..
>From the Web page, I see:
>
>NAV and NOD32 with 14 awards,
>Sophos & Norman VC with 13,
>Kaspersky AVP with 12
>
>In my view, that's "close" to NOD, even though AVP has clearly missed
>all of the last 5 tests, after a steady series of successes. If AVP had
>kept up (with say 4 of the last 5) and who knows why it hasn't, it would
>still be a good way ahead.
So what, close is only that. In fact if you look at the november 2000
summary result, it looks like NAV is better than NOD, what you won't know is
that NOD32 missed a *SINGLE* sample across all sample sets, but also it
doesn't say that NAV actually missed nearly 300 viruses across all the sets,
but still achieved the 100% reward. Now you tell me which is better.
>I imagine Rod has good enough business sense to
>> concentrate on the best rather than split himself down the middle.
>
>Awed by the mighty Rod huh Andrew? Unable to see the truth for what it
>is?
Oh I quake at the very mention of his name, and have engaged my truth
filters.
If you think that I will be impressed by your attempt at defaming him, and
effectively me, then I won't. And if you hope to steal Rod's customer base
by such obvious smear tactics then you are guilty of a pretty low blow.
Do you know the circumstances behind rod cessation of AVP support? No? Then
what right have you to comment, I simply made a suggestion postulating the
reason.
>> Anyway, whatever the reason, it's good to see him posting again, maybe
>> now Anusg has gone a few more of the old timers ;0) will come back.
>>
>> hope so anyway
>
>Well, I tend to keep out of this because I can't be bothered with all
>the childishness, but for now, I'm putting my 5c in.
Well, perhaps you should reconsider and just go back where you came from,
the childisness inherent in your last two posts is extraordinary.
I'm sure that there will be customers out there who will fall for your
little act. I just find it incredibly sad that you are prepared to stamp all
over someone's reputation just for the sake of making a few extra bucks.
Well, I am one potential customer that you and your parent company has just
lost. You might think that's just hot air, but think about this, why do you
think I know rod? Perhaps if you look in the archives at my posts, you may
see the scale of customer that you have just lost for AVP.
Andrew.
--
Sapiens nihil affirmat quod non probet.
http://www.gladius.f9.co.uk || mailto:gla...@gladius.f9.co.uk
Eliphas Zimmerman
Brilliant!
I have the original Murray Head release on vinyl, and after listening to it
literally hundreds of times in the past 25 years the cadence is firmly
embedded in my head. You didn't miss a beat.
Absolutely Brilliant!
Eli
rod
"Alan Candy" <alc...@spamstop.applied.co.nz> wrote in message
news:nopG6.1447$b7.2...@news.xtra.co.nz...
I've been on one of my periodic vacations from acv and the rest of
the world, and I first saw this post late last night.
My immediate reaction was to tear you a new arsehole on the
spot ... but upon reading the rest of this thread and its offshoots
I saw that you've already torn yourself one ... so I went to bed
instead.
It's late, and I'm about to go to bed again ... but I'll finish this
first.
> > Not bad going for a program hardly anyone has ever heard of.
>
> How true. But in all fairness, you still ought to commend a number of other
> vendors who are maintaining a full suite of AV products for a much wider
> range of platforms than Eset, and still maintaining good results in VB
> tests.
Maybe we should add "We maintain a full suite of AV products
for a much wider range of platforms" to the list of standard
excuses for poor detection.
I commended KAV because (a) it _is_ one of the best antivirus
programs, (b) I _know_ it's one of the best antivirus programs,
and (c) it misses very few viruses.
Why would I commend PoopScan, which misses 600 viruses,
when all it's got going for it is that it maintains a "full suite of
AV products for a much wider range of platforms" ?
The Name of The Game is "Find the Virus".
Everything else is secondary!
> Oh, but of course, you're a NOD32 man now!
Your limp-wristed attempt at sarcasm is wasted in this newsgroup.
Unlike you, I've _never_ tried to shill for sales in acv ... and regulars
know me much better than to take notice of your slimy insinuation.
> > > I imagine Rod has good enough business sense to concentrate on
> > > the best rather than split himself down the middle.
> >
> > Partly that, although it's not all that difficult to distribute two
> > antivirus programs without conflict (and distribute them fairly to both
> > vendors) if you own two companies and keep the products completely
> > separated
>
> Funny to see you saying this after criticising me (okay, it was in private!)
> so many times for selling more than one product!
Nice half-truth ... or should that be "half-lie" ?
I've NEVER criticized you simply for selling more than one product!
I DID criticize you for using MY domain, avp.co.nz, THE USE OF
WHICH I HAVE NEVER ASKED YOU FOR, AND FOR WHICH
YOU HAVE NEVER PAID, ONE SINGLE SOLITARY CENT, to
link to your antivirus supermarket ... the website from which at
that time you were pushing Sophos, Command, Norton, F-Prot,
and Norman.
Despite persistent requests to clean up your act, you made NO
attempt to quit your shonky use of MY domain and MY money for
more than a year.
You had no AVP downloads, no AVP updates,and very little AVP
information on the "AVP" site WHICH I PROVIDED YOU WITH AT
NO COST AND AM STILL TODAY PROVIDING YOU WITH AT NO
COST... in fact the ONLY thing you were using avp.co.nz for was
to redirect potential AVP customers to the website where you were
pushing all your other antivirus products!!!
(Oh, sorry ... I should have realized that duck-squatting on AVP
and keeping it hidden on the bottom shelf while you used MY
domain to show off your other antivirus programs wasn't being
shonky ... you were just "looking after the client's interests rather
than putting our own profit margin or other preferences at the top
of the list of priorities"
Had I not finally threatened to take the domain away from you if
you didn't shape up and make it "AVP ONLY" within seven days,
you would STILL be using avp.co.nz to redirect potential AVP
customers to your antivirus supermarket!
> That's what (we think) we do. I.e. We try to be fair and look after the
> client's interests rather than putting our own profit margin or other
> preferences at the top of the list of priorities.
LOL
You've demonstrated numerous times over the years that you're
not interested in anyone's interests but your own.
> Selling several products
> gives you the advantage of not needing to push one product for better or
> worse because that's all you've got. To me, that's more ethical.
"ethical" ???
I don't think you even know what the word means!
> > On the personal level, Eugene and Natalya and I are still good friends.
>
> Well, I have to wonder how long you expect to remain good friends
Probably not for very long if they fall for your smarmy bumlicking!
> As I see it, you are using AVP's good reputation and client base to promote
> your switch to NOD32. You are not offering your AVP clients any local
> support, so, in effect, you are abandoning THEM, as well as Kaspersky Labs.
>
> Maybe you have a completely loyal client base over there who will follow you
> just because you're going that way now, but to deny them the choice - is
> that ethical?
I'm not abandoning anyone. I give my existing clients the choice
of staying with Kaspersky Lab or following me to NOD32. That's
fair to my existing clients AND to Kaspersky Lab.
Virgin logins are another story. Are you really so naive that you
think "fair" includes putting up a banner to redirect virgin logins to
a KAV website, or were you overdosed on stupid pills when you
wrote that drivel ?
> Is it ethical to do exactly the same thing as Central Command
> did? When Kaspersky dumps you, redirect what really, ethically speaking,
> are their domain names, to your own uses, and deny their customers and
> other interested parties the ease of finding them through a well known and
> intuitive link to their products, updates and information? Do you expect
> Kaspersky to have to change their product and domain names yet again...?
Don't try to pull in the sympathy vote with your "same thing as
Central Command" bullshit!
It won't work in THIS newsgroup!
Poor Blind Freddie could see the difference!
> How many times, both here and in many other ways and places have you
> slammed people who you have suspected (or proven) of trying to pirate a
> copy of AVP?
EVERY time!!!
I had to look after Eugene's and Natalya's interests in New Zealand
as well as in Australia, because you sure as hell weren't doing it!
> How long have you been their "righteous defender" against anyone who
> did anything against AVP?
EVER SINCE THE VERY FIRST DAY!!!
When have YOU been their "righteous defender" ?
NEVER!!! ... and on several occasions I had to be their "righteous
defender" against YOU and your shonky deals!
You've sneered at my ethics several times over the years ... telling
me I was "over-protective" of Eugene's right to be paid a fair price
for his work ... bleating that YOU were missing out on a lousy few
dollars because of MY ethics ... but you can sneer all you like!.
I know what I am, and I know what YOU are ... and I can stand
tall knowing that what I did was RIGHT.
> And now look at what you have done - completely delete everything to do with
> AVP from your sites and replace it with NOD32. Seems to me Rod, you are
> behaving exactly like a "disgruntled former employee" out to "hurt" your
> former "employer".
Seems to me like you're behaving like a crawly bumlick out to make
a big impression on his new employer ... and judging by the replies
you've received in this and other threads, most regulars recognized
you as a crawly bumlick out to make a big impression on his new
employer the instant they read your first post.
> Rod, I say, whatever the reasons for your split with Kaspersky Labs, be fair
> to them.
In what way am I being UNfair to them ?
If I start saying I quit distributing KAV because it's a lousy antivirus
program, THEN you can call me unfair ... but don't hold your breath
waiting for that to happen.
Last week, after KL and I had gone our separate ways, but before
you uncapped your poison pen, I said "KAV is a still great antivirus
program ... one of the best" ... and your slimy attempts to make me
look like the villain of the piece haven't changed that opinion.
I still consider Eugene and Natalya my friends ... but I now distribute
another antivirus program, so don't expect me to regard Kaspersky
Lab as anything but a competitor.
As a couple of people said in replies to you, and as Natalya herself
has said to me several times, "business is business".
Stop sniveling and live with it!
> You didn't like their proposed new contract. So what? If your
> contract expired, it expired. They have every right to change their
> contract at renewal time. If you don't like it, don't sign it, just as you
> didn't.
>
> But don't try to hurt them by using avp.com.au and kaspersky.com.au
> to promote NOD32. That is self-serving. You put yourself into the
> same league as Central Command, where once you were a great critic.
Bollocks!
I give MY clients who login MY websites the opportunity to choose
between staying with KAV without me and following me to NOD32.
Where is the similarity ?
> I know for a fact that Kaspersky rewarded you well for representing their
> products. You've been paid. Now play fair.
And I know for a fact that I rewarded YOU well for representing their
products ... perhaps not as well as you would have been rewarded if
I'd been silly enough to ask KL to give you your own key generator
and let you prostitute the program ... but "not trying to put a shonky
one over on your business partner" is the game you're forced to play
when you're answerable to a "righteous defender".
> If you want a (new or existing) AVP supplier to buy the old AVP domain
> names from you, I'll take them for a year's standard Registration Fee
> each.
Dream on!
I spend more that that on lunch!
> And if your new supplier is happy with what you have done, I think they
> should reconsider their future...
My new supplier is as ethical as I am. If he had any reservations
about what I'm doing I would have heard about it long before now.
(So no-one grabs the wrong end of the stick ... Eset didn't ask me
for KL's price list, and I'm sure they never would ... we were just
kicking around a few ideas about pricing.)
=====
"I can't ethically send you KL's new price lists, but there is
nothing preventing me from telling you the end user prices".
=====
The above is a verbatim quote from an email written by me to Eset
on 14 April 2001 ... only eleven days before Kaspersky Lab and I
parted company.
Pin it up on your wall, and be sure to read it twice a day!
I had no intention of signing a new contract with KL and I had no
legal obligation to them (my previous contract expired more than
six months ago) but I did the right thing by them all the way.
That's what ethics are all about.
You always were a bit shonky ... that's why I wouldn't propose
you as an independent distributor and kept you in a position
where I could keep my eye on you all those years ... but I didn't
realize just how shonky you really are until last night.
I think Kaspersky Lab should seriously consider THEIR future
with YOU!!!
> I'm posting this message publically because I think this is a public issue,
> the use of a publically known domain name for what I consider unethical
> purposes, regardless of the technical issue of who "legally" owns it.
You want to discuss "my ethics vs your ethics" in public ?
OK ... I'll start the game off by saying "What you consider ethics
and what I consider ethics are poles apart!"
You thought it was ethical to sell AVP Single PC licenses to a guy
you knew damn well was going to install and use them on servers
in corporate environments. I considered this to be cheating Eugene
and Natalya out of the Site License money they deserved ... so I
wouldn't let you do it.
You thought it was ethical to sell an AVP Single PC license in the
the name "Admin". (As if ANYONE would be stupid enough to fall
into that trap!) I considered this to be cheating Eugene and Natalya
out of the Site License money they deserved ... so I wouldn't let you
do it.
(I have plenty more examples of where you and I have argued over
what was right and wrong, if you want to rock'n'roll.)
> Sincerely,
"Sincerely" ???
Hypocrite!
LDH
>
[snip detailed rebuttal of Candy accusations]
Heh.. This inquiring mind found out more than he wanted to know.
LDH
Alan Candy
And indeed, my apologies. Of course, curiosity got the better of me! And
it was premature of me to quit the "valley" before you had exercised your
right of reply. But "it" was long, LONG overdue. So glad to see you're
still "alive & kicking"! And biting...
rod <r...@antivirus.com.au> wrote in message news:3af01695@grissom...
>
> "Alan Candy" <alc...@spamstop.applied.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:nopG6.1447$b7.2...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> I've been on one of my periodic vacations
as in: on holiday?
> from acv
Uh, yeah. Didn't someone comment about the lack of posts? I think somebody
noticed. Guys, didn't someone say that...?
and the rest of
> the world,
Ah.... Yeah.... RIGHT.... Like, I "believe" you..... Right after your
Eset launch.
So it really was those wicked little cybermice that kept flipping your Web
Pages about to the beat of my acv posts about same. Yeah right, rod. Go
pull the other one. You'll find it more enjoyable. ;-]
So, do you mean to seem to make a liar out of Andrew, or did Andrew already
put the lie to that one?
[small snip]
> My immediate reaction was to tear you a new arsehole on the
> spot ...
That's your domain. I'll stay out of it. (Awfully bad pun, I'm sorry.)
But I sure do hope that this is the kind of language and "professional
image" your new supplier approves of. I did wonder if your silence was due
to you applying new rules on acv posts. Obviously not.
[snip]
> Why would I commend PoopScan [snip]
Go on, tell me. Which product does this refer to anyway?
[snip]
> The Name of The Game is "Find the Virus".
>
> Everything else is secondary!
Not a fanatical or extremist view, of course. ;-)
[snip]
> Your limp-wristed attempt at sarcasm is wasted in this newsgroup.
Go tell that to Nick.
> Unlike you, I've _never_ tried to shill for sales in acv ... and regulars
> know me much better than to take notice of your slimy insinuation.
Yeah, that's right. There is none so blind as he who will not see. Blessed
are the believers and all that. Just as well. Wouldn't want to dislodge
the scales from their eyes. And Yes, I'm sure they do know you better than
I. BoaF...
[snip]
> I DID criticize you for using MY domain, avp.co.nz,
So why don't you mention that you grabbed it right about the time we were
discussing doing business with you? Sport!
THE USE OF
> WHICH I HAVE NEVER ASKED YOU FOR, AND FOR WHICH
> YOU HAVE NEVER PAID, ONE SINGLE SOLITARY CENT,
Did you ever ask us to? I never asked you to buy it. What are you bleating
about? I always figured you were making a buck out of our (okay, few) sales
on the way through. Apparently, you were. And it is you that went and
bought it in the first place, isn't it? What did it cost you to run? A
lunch?
[snip]
> You had no AVP downloads, no AVP updates,
Why would we want to? You were so close, doing it so well. ;-))
How big was your market compared to ours? Minimum, 6 times as big, maybe 50
or 100 times? I don't know. A few d/ls from NZ were completely
insignificant against the International D/L traffic, as you told me. Your
point?
[snip]
> (Oh, sorry ... I should have realized that duck-squatting on AVP
> and keeping it hidden on the bottom shelf
Go ahead, justify that one!!! The "Contract" we 'signed' with you wasn't
worth the paper is wasn't written on, Mr Professional. But now, we really
are getting into things that have no place here.
> while you used MY
> domain to show off your other antivirus programs wasn't being
> shonky ...
Are you stupid or just REALLY stupid? Now you're telling me that having a
few links from an AVP Web Site to an AV supplier's site was shonky, even
when it was legit. But it's quite okay for you to do it, even when you're
not selling AVP... In contrast, we were selling several products. I think
the links went both ways. In fact, as I recall it, there wasn't even any
actual product info on the Applied site at that time anyway. It was all via
links... ;-))))
Guys, what does the word hypocrisy really mean?
Haul those forests outta your own eyes, dude!
[snip]
> You've demonstrated numerous times over the years that you're
> not interested in anyone's interests but your own.
Aha. You see what you want to see. Wake up, rod. You're looking into a
mirror.
[snip]
> > > On the personal level, Eugene and Natalya and I are still good
friends.
> >
> > Well, I have to wonder how long you expect to remain good friends
>
> Probably not for very long if they fall for your smarmy bumlicking!
Well, whaddaya know? Not much, actually. Or do I detect an anal fixation?
Who could blame the Kasperskys if they think all Westerners are villains?
The only reason you can do this, no doubt, is because they left it out of
the contract. So exploit their innocence and inexperience. Good on ya!
That's what goodwill and friendship is all about. Hypocrite!
But of course, this is now all a matter of ego and need to win, so of
course, you won't be replacing the Eset logo on the first pages of "your"
Kaspersky 'trademarked' domains with a Kaspersky one in a gesture of
goodwill to your good friends Eugene & Natalya, will ya, mate? Or linking
them to their sites.
[snip]
> Virgin logins are another story. Are you really so naive that you
> think "fair" includes putting up a banner to redirect virgin logins to
> a KAV website,
Yup, I am really that "naive". Those are your words. Chosen deliberately,
of course. Isn't a visit to a site known in the Industry as a "hit"? So
it isn't what one would call a "login" and it also isn't what I'd call a
"redirect". They would have browsed to (hit) the domain expecting to find
Kaspersky products, I'm fairly sure. What you're doing is the redirect.
And I'm not saying you shouldn't include a (user-must-click) link to
redirect to your nod site, not at all. That would be entirely fair, in my
concept of what's "fair".
or were you overdosed on stupid pills when you
> wrote that drivel ?
Ah, rod, don't I love you! Why do you think I posted into your vile,
vicious, vindictive attack on poor Suge, or whatever his name is? What harm
did Suge ever do to you? How many hours did it take you to compose THAT
pile of drivel? Correct cadence and all. When I wouldda thought you'd be
so busy with your Eset launch... But the 'leopard' NEVER changes his spots,
I guess. rod, mate, you are indeed the master of your own destiny.
[snip]
> Don't try to pull in the sympathy vote with your "same thing as
> Central Command" bullshit!
Who wants sympathy? Not I. As for the CC "issue", how is what you have
done SOOOO different? The fact that yours auto-redirects to another domain?
That must be it.
> It won't work in THIS newsgroup!
>
> Poor Blind Freddie could see the difference!
I reckon you're right. Not. Great use of oxymoron, though!!! ;-))
> > How many times, both here and in many other ways and places have you
> > slammed people who you have suspected (or proven) of trying to pirate a
> > copy of AVP?
>
> EVERY time!!!
Hey, we agree at last! Cool. Long may it continue.
Uh. So you admit that you slammed people you merely suspected?
> I had to
Arm to breaking point, AK47 to head, right!!!!?
look after Eugene's and Natalya's interests in New Zealand
> as well as in Australia, because you sure as hell weren't doing it!
Right! Er, I mean, Righteous! We had this same argument a while back, but
you never quite convinced me. As I recall, your reply came back about two
or three weeks later.
[snip]
> I know what I am,
I hope so.
> and I know what YOU are ...
Which is?
Maybe I know you better than you know me. Sadly.
and I can stand
> tall knowing that what I did was RIGHT.
In your opinion, is all. Seems to me, you spent more time preventing sales
than making them.
One thing you really must realise, for the benefit of Eset if no one else:
If you refuse to sell a potential client a product because YOU SUSPECT they
might breach the Licence Agreement, that is tantamount to accusing them of
being a crook. That's an excellent marketing strategy! You have no IDEA
how much ill-will you generated through your "enforcement" policies. Turned
off hundreds of potential buyers, or at least, ensured that they would never
get to even SEE the product. And it wasn't even hard to sell. The product
virtually sold itself. I hate to think how much you COST Kaspersky Labs in
lost potential sales.
Take a case in point: Microsoft. MILLIONS of people, over the years, have
at some point or other, used illegal copies of MS products. Oh, but that's
right - MS went out of business through lost sales due to piracy, didn't
they?
You ought to realise, rod: The Licence Agreement is really between the End
User and his conscience. If you KNOW someone is in breach, invoice, or
prosecute. If not, give the benefit of the doubt. It's about TRUST, rod.
If you don't trust them, they SURE ain't gonna trust you. Usually, good
people come around in the end. And most people, I think, basically, are
good. I.e. more than 50%...
And just take a look at what was actually happening. Central Command, as
you know, was selling Single User AVP to all and sundry, with a FIVE YEAR
key. Why, when that was happening, where you bitching and bleating when you
found someone you merely suspected might pirate the software? Fact is, the
Licence Agreement at that time didn't cover all the bases anyway.
Well, this is about halfway through your response, but it's about as far as
I can bother to go.
A couple more for the road...
[big snip]
> > If you want a (new or existing) AVP supplier to buy the old AVP domain
> > names from you, I'll take them for a year's standard Registration Fee
> > each.
>
> Dream on!
>
> I spend more that that on lunch!
If Aussie prices are similar to NZ, that's a whole lot of lunch!... B-[]O<
If they are lower, then what is all the shouting and bleating about?
Say, what kinda stupid pills ARE you on?
> > And if your new supplier is happy with what you have done, I think they
> > should reconsider their future...
>
> My new supplier is as ethical as I am.
Be careful, rod. Be VERY careful. Now you are getting into the issue of
trading on someone else's Reputation. Be mighty careful. Your reputation
is based on what you say, what you do, etc. Looking at your many past posts
in this NG, I'd say a lawyer could easily establish your "reputation" in a
Court of Law.
[snip]
> You thought it was ethical to sell AVP Single PC licenses to a guy
> you knew damn well was going to install and use them on servers
> in corporate environments.
EXACTLY. This was the e-mail server issue, wasn't it? SME. The Licence
Agreement at the time, for those particular circumstances, was silent on
that specific point. But it WAS going to run on a "Single PC" wasn't it...?
I considered this to be cheating Eugene
> and Natalya
Yep. You said it...
out of the Site License money they deserved ... so I
> wouldn't let you do it.
THEREBY cheating them out of a SALE altogether. I.e. as a result, they
actually got NO money. The other way, they could have had some. And then,
ongoing business, goodwill, referrals, renewals etc etc. Isn't that what
it's all about? Selling the damn product.
Call me a hypocrite!
The guy loved AVP, wanted to buy. All you had to do was name the price.
Did you? All the guy got was a bad taste in his mouth. In fact, he was
doing his best to be honest. He read the Licence Agreement BEFORE he tried
to buy it, didn't he? Figured that it didn't exclude his intended use. How
many crooks would do that?
Please don't dredge up any more stuff that no one else can prove, that
doesn't belong here. How about we drop this right here? You do what you
want to do. Keep the domains just as you think is right and fair and good
and proper.
Case Closed?
Good Luck, rod, mate. No hard feelings?
Alan
PaX
Haul those forests outta your own eyes, dude!<<<<
Mr Candy,
To the minds of most Virus Writers Rod Fewster is an
intelligent and respected individual....His non judgemental and NO snake oil
approach has gained the respect of many people over the years and will
continue to do so in the future.Im starting to think your like a kid who
didn't get his new rattle for christmas.You drag what should be a private
disagreement into a public forum thats hardly the sort of behaviour I
believe KL would like to see now is it??
Just because you are a KAV distributor/reseller that does not and will not
make you Rod Fewster...
I personally believe you have posted more snake oil in the last 5 days than
Rod has posted in the last five years......
Do yourslef a huge favour and show some decorum and dignity it may just save
you some customers....
rgrds DD Shelby / PaX
Al (DigitAl56K)
Lets also hope Mr Candy decides to take one :)
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