Knock, knock, announcing Pilot PLUS!
Reza Malekzadeh
Dear fellow Pilot Lover,
We would like to rapidly tell you about Pilot PLUS. Pilot PLUS is
devoted to enhancing the existing built in Pilot applications and help
to you unleash the power of your beloved PalmPilot.
For Pilot users who want to fully use their device, Pilot PLUS software
replace the built-in applications. It provides the most complete
solutions across.
Unlike other enhancement software, Pilot PLUS offers all the
indispensable functionalities you need in a single product.
We bring you:
ToDo PLUS designed to replace the built-in Todo application
Check out the new version 2.0 at
http://www.pilotplus.com/html/todoplus.html
Memo PLUS designed to replace the built-in Memo application
http://www.pilotplus.com/html/todoplus.html
To learn more about our products, please visit our Website:
http://www.pilotplus.com
If we have reached you in error or if you do not wish to receive any
other messages from us, please let us know and we will promptly remove
you from our distribution list. Simply send E-mail to in...@pilotplus.com
with Remove instructions.
Best regards and enjoy your Pilot PLUS Software!
The Pilot PLUS team!
"Pilot PLUS Software, found in better PalmPilots everywhere!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pilot PLUS Software
http://www.pilotplus.com
Please send Email to
sa...@pilotplus.com for registration issues
in...@pilotplus.com for general information and feature requests
b...@pilotplus.com for bug reports
mo...@pilotplus.com for submitting new models
Reza Malekzadeh
Reza Malekzadeh
Chris
[deleted]
I'm unlikely to patronize a company that advertizes its product
by spamming the newsgroup with multiple copies of the same press
release. Was it really necessary to post that 4-5 times in
succession?
Chris
Reid Conti
Not to mention emailing it to many people.. myself included.
--
- reid
Si l'homme est créé libre, il doit se gouverner;
Si l'homme a des tyrans, il les doit détrôner.
- Voltaire, Epîtres
Kevin Martin
In article <slrn655bhd...@conti.oz.net>,
Reid Conti <oak...@conti.oz.net> wrote:
>>I'm unlikely to patronize a company that advertizes its product
>>by spamming the newsgroup with multiple copies of the same press
>>release. Was it really necessary to post that 4-5 times in
>>succession?
>
>Not to mention emailing it to many people.. myself included.
I've written to the postmaster @stanford.edu and the hostmaster @best.com
to complain and ask that the appropriate anti-spammer action
(decapitation and defenestration) be taken.
I don't munge my return address because I've got great SPAM filters.
If someone does make me notice their SPAM, I take as much time and
trouble as necessary to SHUT THEM DOWN, as a public service. No one
will ever profit by abusing my mailbox.
WD Baseley
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 09:45:37 -0800, "Reza Malekzadeh"
<re...@pilotplus.com> wrote:
>I understand your concern about you believe to be a spam!
>Please first try to understand what happened and why it happened!
>I tried to use Netrscape Communicator for the first time as a news client.
>I tried to post my articel ONCE but each time Netscape told me there was an
>error with my news settings and I had to restart... After a while I gave up
>and used Microsoft Outlook Express. It was only at that time that I realized
>what had happened...
>I sincerely appologize for waht looked like a spam but was nothing more than
>a misuse of my software.
Gee, now all you have to do is apologize for the junk email your
organization dumped in my mailbox, and you'll be fully absolved.
Think that's the way it works? Think we're stupid enough to do
business with an outfit that sends UCE *and* claims not to know how to
use a newsreader?
You people slay me.
Go away,
--
WD Baseley
Pilot PLUS
>Gee, now all you have to do is apologize for the junk email your
>organization dumped in my mailbox, and you'll be fully absolved.
>Think that's the way it works? Think we're stupid enough to do
>business with an outfit that sends UCE *and* claims not to know how to
>use a newsreader?
>
>You people slay me.
>
>Go away,
Dear WD and all,
Try to understand that trial and error hapen a lot.
We tried and made a mistake. Sorry. I know we should have fully understood
the new software before using it and we appologize.
We are not scam or spam people. We did not disguise our email or anything of
that sort.
We take full responsability for what happened and recognize our errors.
Maybe you should try to be more understanding. Didn't you make mistakes in
your past?
Sincerely,
The Pilot PLUS team!
Pilot PLUS
Well I guess you are the perfect person that never made mistakes.
We tried and failed. Sorry.
We appologized many times and can only hope for some understanding on your
behalf.
If we wanted to be assholes and spam, we would have disguised ourselves. We
did not. We take full responsability for what happened and promise it will
never happen again.
Please forgive us.
The Pilot PLUS team.
Howard Camber wrote in message <63076s$j...@news.inforamp.net>...
>In article <62vvjl$lso$1...@its.hooked.net>, "Reza Malekzadeh"
><re...@pilotplus.com> wrote:
>
>>I understand your concern about you believe to be a spam!
>>Please first try to understand what happened and why it happened!
>>I tried to use Netrscape Communicator for the first time as a news client.
>>I tried to post my articel ONCE but each time Netscape told me there was
an
>>error with my news settings and I had to restart... After a while I gave
up
>>and used Microsoft Outlook Express. It was only at that time that I
realized
>>what had happened...
>>I sincerely appologize for waht looked like a spam but was nothing more
than
>>a misuse of my software.
>
>Bullshit. I suppose the fact that we all received spam email from you
>also was a beginner's error too?
tig...@sprintmail.com
Pilot Plus's apology is accepted. It may stop posting same.
The flames are annoying. I wish they would stop. Let's go back to
making this an informative newsgroup. Sorting through the flames and
apologies is worse than sorting through spam.
Tiger
tig...@sprintmail.com
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:00:59 GMT, wbas...@mindspring.com (WD Baseley)
wrote:
>Determining what organizations are reputable, and whom to do business
>with, *is* informative, and important to the group.
Even so, you only have to tell us once in order for us to know your
opinion.
Tiger
stimpy
> Hey get a life!
> You must understand that shit happens, people make mistakes!
> I hope people are usually kinder to you when you make mistakes than you are
> to us!
> If every young person who made a mistake was shot, how big would our
> population be???
>
> The Pilot PLUS team!
========================
I think many of the readers of this NG are not refering to your
"mistake" of posting your commercial ad over and over but also to the
fact of your extracting email addresses from this NG and for your
targeted email list.
...Of course, I guess you could have mistakenly done that too? 8^P
But certainly exclamation points (yelling) and cursing at potential
customers should be considered bad business, don't you think? Just my
opinion after reading some of these back and forth posts.
Pilot PLUS
>I think many of the readers of this NG are not refering to your
>"mistake" of posting your commercial ad over and over but also to the
>fact of your extracting email addresses from this NG and for your
>targeted email list.
>
>...Of course, I guess you could have mistakenly done that too? 8^P
>
>But certainly exclamation points (yelling) and cursing at potential
>customers should be considered bad business, don't you think? Just my
>opinion after reading some of these back and forth posts.
We are sorry for both the postings and the emails. The first one was a
technical mistake and the second one a judgement mistake.
In no way would we want to be unpolite to anyone but WD has a made a point
to not understand that people can make mistakes.
Pilot PLUS is nothing more than the effort of two young guys. Gregoire
started this, he is a hard working student and developer and I tried to help
him out.
We understand we have still a lot to learn and we try our best to make the
best applications possible for the Pilot.
Sincerely,
Reza
Pilot PLUS
I am sorry I did not answer his question clearly.
We made two mistakes: the first one technical that made us do multiple
postings and
the second one of the wrong choice and thing to do by sending the
unsolicited Email.
We are not spammers nor pyrmaid scheme guys. We never hid our Emails and
take full reposability for what happened. We are just two young guys in
College working hard and trying to do our best.
We promise we will not do this type of stupid things anymore.
We simply would like to try to bring you the best applications possible.
Sincere appologies,
The Pilot PLUS team
>But you still didn't answer his question, vulgar as it was, about the
>unsolicited E-Mail. I can accept and forgive an accidental spam posting to
a
>newsgroup (which may or may not be accidental) but a mass unsolicited
commercial
>E-Mail cannot be called accidental. I can't believe that someone
intelligent
>enough to be involved with software design would be ignorant of the ill
will
>these things generate. You couldn't have been on the net for a week
without
>seeing how agitated people get over unsolicited commercial E-mail.
Therefore
>the poster must not have been concerned with the wishes of a significant
portion
>(and I would speculate a majority) of the recipients.
>
>You used a tactic commonly associated with illegal pyramid schemes,
adolescent
>porn site advertisements and fraudulent snake oil offers, not great company
to
>keep if you want to be taken seriously. I know I won't patronize a company
that
>demonstrates such a knack for being inconsiderate to the wishes of so many
for
>the response of a few. What kind of customer support could you expect?
>
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>My address and public key can be found at:
>www.cris.com/~amarti
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Reza Malekzadeh
I understand your concern about you believe to be a spam!
Please first try to understand what happened and why it happened!
I tried to use Netrscape Communicator for the first time as a news client.
I tried to post my articel ONCE but each time Netscape told me there was an
error with my news settings and I had to restart... After a while I gave up
and used Microsoft Outlook Express. It was only at that time that I realized
what had happened...
I sincerely appologize for waht looked like a spam but was nothing more than
a misuse of my software.
Regards,
Reza
Chris wrote in message ...
>[deleted]
>
>I'm unlikely to patronize a company that advertizes its product
>by spamming the newsgroup with multiple copies of the same press
>release. Was it really necessary to post that 4-5 times in
>succession?
>
>Chris
>
Howard Camber
>I understand your concern about you believe to be a spam!
>Please first try to understand what happened and why it happened!
>I tried to use Netrscape Communicator for the first time as a news client.
>I tried to post my articel ONCE but each time Netscape told me there was an
>error with my news settings and I had to restart... After a while I gave up
>and used Microsoft Outlook Express. It was only at that time that I realized
>what had happened...
>I sincerely appologize for waht looked like a spam but was nothing more than
>a misuse of my software.
Bullshit. I suppose the fact that we all received spam email from you
Pilot PLUS
>Determining what organizations are reputable, and whom to do business
>can't even use their news software, and claim a "mistake" with junk
>email. They're in dire need of a clue, not the least of which is "I
>don't do business with spammers".
WD Baseley
Determining what organizations are reputable, and whom to do business
with, *is* informative, and important to the group. These clowns
can't even use their news software, and claim a "mistake" with junk
email. They're in dire need of a clue, not the least of which is "I
don't do business with spammers".
--
WD Baseley
add...@www.cris.com/~amarti
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:06:06 -0800, "Pilot PLUS" <in...@pilotplus.com> wrote:
>>Bull****. I suppose the fact that we all received spam email from you
>>also was a beginner's error too?
>Well I guess you are the perfect person that never made mistakes.
>We tried and failed. Sorry.
>We appologized many times and can only hope for some understanding on your
>behalf.
>If we wanted to be assholes and spam, we would have disguised ourselves. We
>did not. We take full responsability for what happened and promise it will
>never happen again.
But you still didn't answer his question, vulgar as it was, about the
stimpy
Pilot PLUS wrote:
>
> >I think many of the readers of this NG are not refering to your
> >"mistake" of posting your commercial ad over and over but also to the
> >fact of your extracting email addresses from this NG and for your
> >targeted email list.
> >
> >...Of course, I guess you could have mistakenly done that too? 8^P
> >
> >But certainly exclamation points (yelling) and cursing at potential
> >customers should be considered bad business, don't you think? Just my
> >opinion after reading some of these back and forth posts.
> We are sorry for both the postings and the emails. The first one was a
> technical mistake and the second one a judgement mistake.
> In no way would we want to be unpolite to anyone but WD has a made a point
> to not understand that people can make mistakes.
> Pilot PLUS is nothing more than the effort of two young guys. Gregoire
> started this, he is a hard working student and developer and I tried to help
> him out.
> We understand we have still a lot to learn and we try our best to make the
> best applications possible for the Pilot.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Reza
Hey Reza:
Let it blow over, it will eventually. If you've got a good product,
people will want it. You guys just happened to touch a very big nerve.
Many folks are very aggressively anti-spam and with good reason.
Newbies (not you) don't even understand what spam is let alone why it
needs to be fought. It was the harvesting of addresses that really got
people ticked off at you.
Just consider this a hard lesson, never harvest names, and keep on
putting out a good product.
cheers and best wishes,
stimpy
Georg Bauer
Pilot PLUS <in...@pilotplus.com> wrote:
> Didn't you make mistakes in
> your past?
Sending out UCE to a bunch of users? Posting multiple articles of the
same content to a newsgroup? Posting news-articles without a proper
realname?
No. Never. I even can't see how that could possibly happen by mistake. A
handful postings to one newsgroup, maybe. Posted-and-mailed a reply to
some people, ok, that may happen, too.
But how do you configure your newsreader by accident? And how do you
collect mail-addresses by accident?
No, that never happened to me.
bye, Georg
Chris
Pilot PLUS (in...@pilotplus.com) wrote:
: >Determining what organizations are reputable, and whom to do business
: >with, *is* informative, and important to the group. These clowns
: >can't even use their news software, and claim a "mistake" with junk
: >email. They're in dire need of a clue, not the least of which is "I
: >don't do business with spammers".
: Hey get a life!
: You must understand that shit happens, people make mistakes!
: I hope people are usually kinder to you when you make mistakes than you are
: to us!
: If every young person who made a mistake was shot, how big would our
: population be???
Gee, now there's a nice rational response. Tis better to keep your mouth
shut and have people think you're a fool than to open it and remove all
doubt.
Chris
Akarin Phureesitr
Sounds sincere enough. And for goodness's sake, they have repeatedly
apologized. Nobody's perfect, so please give them a break and let's get on
with constructive exchange of information won't we? ;-)
Akarin
--
Please remove "NOSPAM" from my e-mail address before you reply
Pilot PLUS <in...@pilotplus.com> wrote in article
<630oje$7nt$1...@its.hooked.net>...
pete
>
>I sincerely appologize for waht looked like a spam but was nothing more than
>a misuse of my software.
Rubbish! If you didn't intend to spam, why did you need the paragraph
which all spammers use about taking people off your mailing list?
Sorry pal - you've blown it for me at least - I will *never* buy a
single product from you...
--
Pete
pete
In article <630fd3$26a$1...@its.hooked.net>, Pilot PLUS
<in...@pilotplus.com> writes
>
>Hey get a life!
>You must understand that shit happens, people make mistakes!
Oh *abusing* us now, eh?
Sure to do biz with you guys - not!
--
Pete
Michael Heinz
On 26 Oct 1997 09:47:59 -0500, can...@nic.com (Kevin Martin) wrote:
>I've written to the postmaster @stanford.edu and the hostmaster =
@best.com
>to complain and ask that the appropriate anti-spammer action
>(decapitation and defenestration) be taken.
Just Defenestration? I'd force him to watch "Leave it to Beaver"
re-runs till he self-defenestrates.
------------------------
Mike Heinz : Michae...@worldnet.att.net=20
: http://www.geocities.com/~michaelheinz
"I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every moment of it!"
stimpy
Michael Heinz wrote:
>
> Just Defenestration? I'd force him to watch "Leave it to Beaver"
> re-runs till he self-defenestrates.
>
> ------------------------
No, not severe enough...John Tesh concerts should do it擁f this isn't
too cruel.
later
stimpy
tig...@sprintmail.com
Pilot PLUS <in...@pilotplus.com> wrote:
>
>> Didn't you make mistakes in
>> your past?
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:41:00 +0200, Georg...@muensterland.org
(Georg Bauer) wrote:
>No. Never. I even can't see how that could possibly happen by mistake. A
>handful postings to one newsgroup, maybe. Posted-and-mailed a reply to
>some people, ok, that may happen, too.
>
>But how do you configure your newsreader by accident? And how do you
>collect mail-addresses by accident?
There is a difference between "mistake" and "accident",
George. They apparently didn't know the net etiquette. They
apologized. Let's accept it, see if the mistake is repeated, and move
on.
Tiger
Kevin Martin
In article <634vej$h...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
Michael Heinz <Michae...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>On 26 Oct 1997 09:47:59 -0500, can...@nic.com (Kevin Martin) wrote:
>
>>I've written to the postmaster @stanford.edu and the hostmaster =
>@best.com
>>to complain and ask that the appropriate anti-spammer action
>>(decapitation and defenestration) be taken.
>
>re-runs till he self-defenestrates.
>
Well, to be honest I just asked them to "have a talk" with the guy.
Too bad, the talking-to automatically came from the Security office...
Oh, well! Let's talk about the Pilot, shall we?
Scott Grigsby
In article <345867e5...@news.singnet.com.sg>,
William M <will...@singnet.com.sg> wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:12:43 GMT, Michae...@worldnet.att.net
>(Michael Heinz) wrote:
>>Just Defenestration?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I couldn't find the meaning of this word in my dictionary. Would you
>enlighten me please ? Thanks.
From Merriam Webster's online dictionary, www.m-w.com:
Main Entry: de-fen-es-tra-tion
Pronunciation: (")dE-"fe-n&-'strA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: de- + Latin fenestra window
Date: 1620
: a throwing of a person or thing out of a window
- de-fen-es-trate /(")dE-'fe-n&-"strAt/ transitive verb
--
Scott Grigsby
Systems Administrator
Citizen 1 Software, Inc. www.citizen1.com
William M
On Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:12:43 GMT, Michae...@worldnet.att.net
(Michael Heinz) wrote:
>Just Defenestration?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I couldn't find the meaning of this word in my dictionary. Would you
enlighten me please ? Thanks.
William M
Thursday, 30 Oct 1997, 12:46am
David Fiedler
In article <01bce5b8$8baac8e0$b3c2...@none.compuserve.com>, "Michael Compeau" <mcom...@spacestar.net> wrote:
>"Defenestration"
>
>Well, it does my little heart good to contribute in some small way to this
>NG:
>"fenestration" is english derivative term from the latin "fenetre" (or the
>French "fenetres" or German "fenstre") which means literally "opening" or
>aperture...it usually refers to residential windows and doors--hence my
>ability to define it...I work for a subsidiary of Andersen Windows.
Close. It means to throw someone out a window.
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"Defenestration"
Well, it does my little heart good to contribute in some small way to this
NG:
"fenestration" is english derivative term from the latin "fenetre" (or the
French "fenetres" or German "fenstre") which means literally "opening" or
aperture...it usually refers to residential windows and doors--hence my
ability to define it...I work for a subsidiary of Andersen Windows.
Oh, and I have become very attached to my PPP in the past four months.
-------------------------------------------------------------
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mcompeau@spacestar dot net
mcompeau@compuserve dot com
mcompeau@andersencorp -dot -com
Carl Heinz <cfh...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<34578c76...@nntp.netcruiser>...
> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:12:10 GMT, will...@singnet.com.sg (William M)
wrote:
>
> >I couldn't find the meaning of this word in my dictionary. Would you
> >enlighten me please ? Thanks.
> >
> Must be a "Heinz" thing, but I think it means beheading. :-)
>
> Carl
> --
> Carl Heinz - cfh...@ix.netcom.com
>
James Guthrie
David Fiedler wrote:
>
> In article <01bce5b8$8baac8e0$b3c2...@none.compuserve.com>, "Michael Compeau" <mcom...@spacestar.net> wrote:
> >"Defenestration"
> >
> Close. It means to throw someone out a window.
Correct!