Another one bites the dust... Everex dumps WinCE
Aristo
Everex abandons palm-sized PC line
By Stephanie Miles
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
November 15, 1999, 8:30 p.m. PT
comdex
LAS VEGAS--Manufacturer Everex became the latest defector from the Windows
camp, as the company confirmed it has effectively discontinued its line of
palm-sized PCs based on the Microsoft operating system.
Everex has abandoned plans for the Freestyle 540, a color-screen device
announced last March but never brought to market. In addition, the company
is discontinuing the monochrome palm-sized devices it introduced last year,
a company representative confirmed.
Everex is showing no handheld devices at all in its booth here at the Comdex
computer trade show, which is otherwise rife with new devices and appliances
designed to organize information and access the Internet. The company had
long been rumored to be shutting down its Windows CE-based product line
operations.
Although Everex was never a heavy hitter in the handheld market in terms of
sales volume or design innovation, the news is another blow for Windows CE,
which has struggled to make a dent in Palm Computing's market-share
dominance. Microsoft has lately been keeping a low profile as it prepares
for Windows CE's next update, but Everex's exit--coming on the heels of
Philips' recent discontinuation of its Nino device--brings unwanted
attention to the company's operating system for scaled-down Internet
appliances and handheld computers.
The reason for Everex's exit is twofold, the company said. One, customers
showed no interest in monochrome devices based on Windows CE, and two, the
color displays supported by the newest version of the operating system are
exceedingly scarce.
Windows CE has the ability to run more powerful applications than the Palm
operating system, observers say, but the more robust software also has the
tendency to drain the battery. While a heavily-used Palm device can run for
weeks on one battery, a Windows CE device must be continually recharged, an
Everex representative explained.
"Battery life is the major drawback," the Everex spokesman said, adding that
because of power limitations, palm-sized PCs can only be used as companions
to a desktop computer, not as stand-alone devices.
In addition to the battery life and other software issues, Everex had
trouble getting its hands on enough color displays to bring its product to
market. Everex's parent company manufactures and distributes screens for
Compaq's color palm-sized PC. Because of shortages of the color displays,
Everex could not be spared any screens for its own device, the company said.
In fact, the manufacturing side of the company has had trouble even filling
Compaq's needs for color displays.
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Everex is not the only manufacturer to struggle with color-display
shortages. Casio, Hewlett-Packard, Compaq and Philips have all experienced
delays. But Everex opted to discontinue the line rather than continue
manufacturing its monochrome Freestyle because the black-and-white screen
quality was too poor, it said. Philips made a similar move this summer.
Screen delays have led Microsoft to push back future releases of its
operating system to give manufacturers enough time to sell the current
generation of devices, sources say. For its part, Microsoft denied the
assertion that Everex's bad fortune in the market was due to any problems
with the company's software. In any type of market with multiple
manufacturers, some will eventually drop out, said Brian Shafer, product
manager for Windows CE.
"If you talked to Packard Bell, they'd say the PC is a failure," Shafer
said, referring to the company's recent announcement that it is exiting the
PC market because of poor sales.
Shafer further noted that Philips, which also left the palm-sized PC market,
announced today that it will be one of the manufacturers of the newly
announced MSN Companion, which will run Windows CE. "You have to take it in
context," he said. "More manufacturers bring more innovation to the market
faster--people will come and go."
Michael Anderson
Oh wait, their motto isn't "all the news that's fit to post", rather it's
"all the pro-WinCE, anti-Palm/EPOC/etc news that fits our bias"...
Sorry for the overly negative cynicism ... I actually like the site, I just
wish they would present more even-handed coverage, or stop calling it
'news'...
Mike
Aristo <aris...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mark
on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's... :)
Mark
Aristo wrote in message ...
[snip]
Paul C.
much of the market share as one manufacturer then it stands to reason that
another company with a desirable product could do the same. Currently it
appears as if the E-100/105 is the machine to beat in the CE brand. Compaq
may do well with their new 1530 since it addresses two major complaints;
size & battery life. Personally after having been back with a Palm for the
last 3 months I'm going to stick with it for now but I'm still not as happy
with the resolution of the current Palm IIIe/x screen. Paying extra money
for the better screen & less memory of the V isn't attractive to me, as a
IIIe is thin enough as it is.
Alan Striegel
>If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for weeks
>on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's... :)
Actually, the word "battery" is plural. The name for an individual AAA is
"cell".
;-P
Alan
Adam Marti
wrote:
>If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for weeks
>on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's... :)
Well, my Palm V doesn't seem to have any problems running for several
weeks on "one battery".
(forgot about us Palm V'ers didn't ya?) ;)
Steven G. Tyler
> If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for weeks
> on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's... :)
What, you haven't installed OneBatteryHack yet? ;-)
> Aristo wrote in message ...
> [snip]
> >Windows CE has the ability to run more powerful applications than the Palm
> >operating system, observers say, but the more robust software also has the
> >tendency to drain the battery. While a heavily-used Palm device can run for
> >weeks on one battery, a Windows CE device must be continually recharged, an
> >Everex representative explained.
--
Steve on Cattail Creek (Steven G. Tyler, Esq.) <sgt...@erols.com>
The Computer Counselor -- Technology Consulting for the Law Office
Webmaster, Troop 339, BAC, BSA (http://members.aol.com/troop339)
Dave
Mark wrote:
> If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for weeks
> on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's... :)
>
> Mark
>
> Aristo wrote in message ...
Individually, they are cells. In pairs they form a battery. Yes, they may
be labelled battery, but that is a recent "innovation" and we know
how "innovation" comes about. Chemically they are a cell.
TSaether
A AAA battery has a capacity of about 600mA. This gives you about
12-35 hours worth of computing power. If the PALM is sleeping but the
display
is on, it draws just a few 100 microamps. Thus you will get anything from
12 hours up to several weeks dependent of how you use the device.
If you use it as a PIM and enter all your data on the PC it will work for
several weeks.
If you play chess with backlight on, about 12hours.
My CASIO E105 uses about 160mA-600mA dependent of usage which
will give a battery life of 2-10 hours.
-terje
Mark wrote in message ...
>If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for weeks
>on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's... :)
>
>Mark
>
>Aristo wrote in message ...
>[snip]
>>Windows CE has the ability to run more powerful applications than the Palm
>>operating system, observers say, but the more robust software also has the
>>tendency to drain the battery. While a heavily-used Palm device can run
for
Red October
"Mark" <psvi...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for
weeks
> on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's...
:)
>
> Mark
Ahhh, but what about the V? Technically, you could say those last for
years on one battery! :)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
byronm
"Michael Anderson" <txa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ... now where is the WinCEOnline reporting of this...?
>
> Oh wait, their motto isn't "all the news that's fit to post", rather
it's
> "all the pro-WinCE, anti-Palm/EPOC/etc news that fits our bias"...
>
> Sorry for the overly negative cynicism ... I actually like the site,
I just
> wish they would present more even-handed coverage, or stop calling it
> 'news'...
>
All i have to say, is if you can't hang with the big boys, you
can't hang at all..
i'm sorry to see those vendors leave, but phillips does this with
everything, when has Everex ever been a stable company?
I love my casiopeia e-100, i wouldn't trade it for a crappy old palm
pilot ever..
I can play my music, check my email, play games, even run Palm III
applications, run Gameboy roms, keep track of my meetings, clip my
internet clippings using avantgo.
Windows CE may be cludgy, but it works, its exciting, and its fun. I
also throw linux on my E-100 everyonce in a while, and may eventually
switch on over to it fulltime as the miny gui's and libc are completed.
I feel sorry for everyone who has nothing better to do except complain
about everything else instead of using what they're happy with.
--
-byron
Aristo
byronm <byron...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Albert Nurick
> Ahhh, but what about the V? Technically, you could say those last for
> years on one battery! :)
A recent review I read reported 20 hours for the Palm V's battery; it was
compared to 10-12 for the new slim Compaq.
--
Albert Nurick <alb...@nurick.com>
Aristo
* Not limited to Web Clipping
* Use your own POP E-mail (up to 6 accounts)
* Complete AvantGo Functionality
Damian <dam...@SPAMTRAPmailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:8E81BA44Cdamia...@63.211.125.80...
> aris...@hotmail.com (Aristo) wrote in <z2GY3.72$n03.11945@typhoon-
> la.pbi.net>:
> >Can you do it wirelessly? and a cellphone kluge ain't "wireless"
>
> "Kludge" or not, at least it's an option. I wouldn't want to be limited
> to web clipping (and email?) only. If that works for you, and that's
> what you need, then great. But obviously the other poster needs the
> (much, IMO) greater flexibility of the CE device, and is willing to
> sacrifice the efficiency specialization gives for that.
>
> -Damian
>
>
Joab
I switched from a Windows CE Cassiopeia E-11 and was replacing my
batteries every week in the E-11. I'm replacing my batteries once a week
in the IIIx.
No change.
In article <h2iY3.284$C4.154036405@linky>, psvi...@my-dejanews.com
says...
> If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for weeks
> on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's... :)
>
> Mark
>
> Aristo wrote in message ...
> [snip]
> >Windows CE has the ability to run more powerful applications than the Palm
> >operating system, observers say, but the more robust software also has the
> >tendency to drain the battery. While a heavily-used Palm device can run for
Damian
Michael Anderson
news:80v7j8$g0o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
<snip>
> I love my casiopeia e-100, i wouldn't trade it for a crappy old palm
> pilot ever..
I'm glad you are happy with your E100, I like my HP430. However, the Palm
platform isn't crappy, nor is Psion or WinCE or Newton or ... different
things for different people.
<snip>
> I feel sorry for everyone who has nothing better to do except complain
> about everything else instead of using what they're happy with.
Pardon my irony, but isn't that what _you_ are doing?
byronm
"Aristo" <aris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Can you do it wirelessly? and a cellphone kluge ain't "wireless"
>
Well, when i purchased my device, i got a coupon for the 49.00 Xirom
56k Flash Modem, so I bought that and the Adapter for my cellular phone
(Ericson) which will let me connect at 9600 baud for 450 minutes a
month i get of airtime.
There is a company called GoAmerica at http://www.goamerica.com that
offers a compact flash cellular IP network modem and service for a
great fee (cheaper then Palm Net).
So you can get an E-100 for 349.99 at Casio's Outlet stores, Spend
149.00 on the Cellular IP modem, and 9.95 a month on internet, or 59.95
a month for unlimited kbytes. And still be cheaper then the less
feature ritch Palm Connected Organizer.
byronm
dam...@SPAMTRAPmailandnews.com (Damian) wrote:
> aris...@hotmail.com (Aristo) wrote in <z2GY3.72$n03.11945@typhoon-
> la.pbi.net>:
>
limited
> to web clipping (and email?) only. If that works for you, and that's
> what you need, then great. But obviously the other poster needs the
> (much, IMO) greater flexibility of the CE device, and is willing to
> sacrifice the efficiency specialization gives for that.
Thas exactly why I spent the money on a Palm "PC" and not just a Data
Assistant. While the Palm X series is a *great* product, I wanted
something that I could use for other tasks, and the Casio E-100 Works
great.
I do clip through avantgo most of the time, I have a cellular modem
that i use for that, and i can use Ibrowser for regular websites (such
as checking on Ebay or reading hotmail or logging into corporate
intranet) that works just great.
Its not the answer to the world, but it makes my hour long train wides
very productive, informative and fun. This Casio E-100 plays mp3's for
background music, lets me play solitaire out of boredom or catch up on
hundreds of support emails and then sync up and send out at home and
office. Its a godsend, it does fit in my coat pocket, and i don't have
to lug around another backpack for a laptop.
--
byronm
"Aristo" <aris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Better check www.omnisky.com
>
> * Not limited to Web Clipping
> * Use your own POP E-mail (up to 6 accounts)
> * Complete AvantGo Functionality
>
> Damian <dam...@SPAMTRAPmailandnews.com> wrote in message
> news:8E81BA44Cdamia...@63.211.125.80...
> > la.pbi.net>:
> > >Can you do it wirelessly? and a cellphone kluge ain't "wireless"
> >
> > "Kludge" or not, at least it's an option. I wouldn't want to be
CE's not limited to web clipping either, Palm users can get Ibrowser,
H/PC users can use the included Explorer. I just use clipping to save
costs on Cellular time.. When i plugin at home for dialup, its full
webbrowsing i go (but i still use Avantgo to update my channels since
its just a time saver, and very well organized system and huge
convenience!)
Every morning i get my weather, news, bus/train schedules, email and
notes synched up and i'm off to work!
byronm
"Michael Anderson" <txa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> byronm <byron...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:80v7j8$g0o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> <snip>
>
complain
> > about everything else instead of using what they're happy with.
>
> Pardon my irony, but isn't that what _you_ are doing?
I still have my old "Crappy" Palm :) its just gathering dust.. its OLD,
nothing like the new ones.. you can read the screens on new"er" ones,
and they fell much better.. I loved my Palm when it solved my
problems about 3-4 years ago :)
Peter Amey
Adam Marti wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:14:21 GMT, "Mark" <psvi...@my-dejanews.com>
> wrote:
>
> >If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for weeks
> >on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's... :)
>
> Well, my Palm V doesn't seem to have any problems running for several
> weeks on "one battery".
>
Well my old USR Pilot Pro runs happily on one battery as well - a
battery made up of two cells :-)
Peter
Brian Keener
on with the backlight on for the entire week.
Actually, make sure you've got the right battery type selected so it's not
using the voltage settings for rechargeables... You could be throwing away
perfectly good batteries...
This is my IIIx's fourth week on a single set of generic batteries with VERY
heavy usage surfing, checking e-mail, and ten to fifteen syncs a day.
I'm down to 35% of battery power.
Brian K
Joab <drmi...@one.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.129d1037e...@news.one.net...
> Amen!
>
> I switched from a Windows CE Cassiopeia E-11 and was replacing my
> batteries every week in the E-11. I'm replacing my batteries once a week
> in the IIIx.
>
> No change.
>
>
> In article <h2iY3.284$C4.154036405@linky>, psvi...@my-dejanews.com
> says...
> > If anyone can replicate this ability to get a Palm device to run for
weeks
> > on "one battery," let me know. My IIIx has been eating them in 2's...
:)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Aristo wrote in message ...
> > [snip]
> > >Windows CE has the ability to run more powerful applications than the
Palm
> > >operating system, observers say, but the more robust software also has
the
> > >tendency to drain the battery. While a heavily-used Palm device can run
for
Aristo
PalmV $269.00 from Buycomp
PalmV Wireless Modem $299.00 from Omnisky
Omnisky service FREE Unlimited usage until March 31,1999 and 15% off of a
$49.99 service plan. (not using palm.NET)
So.. YOU will save $69.00 up front but I'll be ahead after just over a month
use since I'm not paying a cent until April 2000.
Hope you don't need many apps on that E-100, since you only have 16MB TOTAL
and no room for a flash card. I could upgrade the memory efficient PalmV to
8MB for right about 100.00.
byronm <byron...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8115f7$rgo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <z2GY3.72$n03....@typhoon-la.pbi.net>,
> "Aristo" <aris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Can you do it wirelessly? and a cellphone kluge ain't "wireless"
> >
>
>
> Well, when i purchased my device, i got a coupon for the 49.00 Xirom
> 56k Flash Modem, so I bought that and the Adapter for my cellular phone
> (Ericson) which will let me connect at 9600 baud for 450 minutes a
> month i get of airtime.
>
> There is a company called GoAmerica at http://www.goamerica.com that
> offers a compact flash cellular IP network modem and service for a
> great fee (cheaper then Palm Net).
>
> So you can get an E-100 for 349.99 at Casio's Outlet stores, Spend
> 149.00 on the Cellular IP modem, and 9.95 a month on internet, or 59.95
> a month for unlimited kbytes. And still be cheaper then the less
> feature ritch Palm Connected Organizer.
>
kalo...@my-deja.com
it in the FM? do i need to read it?
byronm
"Aristo" <aris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Humm.. not really cheaper..
>
> PalmV $269.00 from Buycomp
> PalmV Wireless Modem $299.00 from Omnisky
> Omnisky service FREE Unlimited usage until March 31,1999 and 15% off
of a
> $49.99 service plan. (not using palm.NET)
>
> So.. YOU will save $69.00 up front but I'll be ahead after just over
a month
> use since I'm not paying a cent until April 2000.
>
> Hope you don't need many apps on that E-100, since you only have 16MB
TOTAL
> and no room for a flash card. I could upgrade the memory efficient
PalmV to
> 8MB for right about 100.00.
>
What are you talking about? I've got 16 Mb ROM, and 144 megs of ram on
my E-100. When you do wireless, your mainly surfing or getting email
or clipping, which 16 megs of ram is plenty of space for a palm PC.
My Casio E-100 has
65,536 Colors TFT Screen
16M Rom
16M Ram
Stereo Earphone Sound
131 Mhz R4000 Processor
Serial Port
IRDA Port
I've Purchased a 128 MB Compact Flash Card. I have the Multimedia
CD which enables WMF playback and i have an MP3 player. I have about 30
songs on my system, a dictionary. Maps for New York City, Philadelphia,
Houston, and Dallas, I got Doom, i got my email for home and work. 200
Contacts, i have an interface to our trouble tickets so i can log in
and view for any problems.
I got it organized so i can plugin modem or a network card because i
keep my mobile use apps in the 16m ram, and my data, games and other
apps on flash. I keep another 64 meg flash card for just applications
and even more contacts and info as a seperate disk, and will probably
pick up another 32 meg flash for other storage, and maybe mp3s :)
So for 349.00 I got the E-100, for 6.95 S&H i got the multimedia CD,
for 49.95 + tax i got the 56K modem, and for 335.00 i got a 128 compact
flash and for 119.00 i got a 64 meg compact flash.
The batteries go for about 4 hours playing mp3's at high quality, works
great for listening to music on the train while i answer email (it has
plenty of cpu to spare, its not just a single tasking environment..)
Palms are great, i don't dispute it. But you can't even say nor compare
any palm to what my casio E-100 does. Even the handspring devices with
the addon spring boards cost more then what my current setup provides.
For your handspring, your looking at 249.00, and the ETA for just the
MP3 Player alown is 220.00, and thats what, 16 megs of memory combined?
Add a flash card.. What does palm support, another 8 megs? and you have
24 megs of ram at the cost of about 700.00, still no color, your stuck
in proprietary os and device..
after all, if i get sick of CE, i always have linux :) it works great..
like i said before, as soon as libc compiles and the compile can
compile itself on the pda, and the miny gui is done, i'm all over it!
but until then, even though Windows CE is microsoft, i love it! works
great.
AND... :) hehe
At comdex there was a compact flash device announced that will ship at
the new year that has a modem, network card and a slow for the Sony
Memory Stick. So then i can just plug in a single adapter, have
totall connectivity and still keep memory installed (even though i'd
have to convert to sony memory stick whatever that will be, it solves
the single slot problem quite effectively)
--
-byron
Brian Keener
shortcut symbol, and then an 8. It should cycle through the various battery
types and notify you by typing the current battery type to the screen.
Brian K
<kalo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:811ilf$6ho$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> How do I select the right batteries. Is it a setting in preferences? is
> it in the FM? do i need to read it?
>
>
Damian
la.pbi.net>:
>Better check www.omnisky.com
Yep, that is pretty cool, first I've heard of it. But that's only one
feature, the original point still stands. WinCE is more flexible, Palm
is specialized. Palm does what is does extremely well, but you have to
be careful how much more you try to make it do. You could lose what made
you buy it in the first place.
-Damian
Michael Anderson
great - so do I)
Just one thing ...
Remember that WinCE, and the WinCE PDA's, ARE proprietary hardware and OS.
Mike
byronm <byron...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Ken Alverson
alternative and keep everything else the same. WinCE runs on many different
types of hardware, so I would argue that you can switch hardware without
changing the rest of your WinCE system...obviously it's not quite that
simple since things are embedded and such, but the point is you can get
/equivalent alternative/ hardware, given a WinCE device.
Ken
"Michael Anderson" <txa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Aristo
don't get too many Outlook notes (oh yeah they don't sync out of the box
anyway) or contacts otherwise you won't have any room for mail...
byronm <byron...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:811o0k$asi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> For your handspring, your looking at 249.00, and the ETA for just the
> MP3 Player alown is 220.00, and thats what, 16 megs of memory combined?
> Add a flash card.. What does palm support, another 8 megs? and you have
> 24 megs of ram at the cost of about 700.00, still no color, your stuck
> in proprietary os and device..
>
> after all, if i get sick of CE, i always have linux :) it works great..
> like i said before, as soon as libc compiles and the compile can
> compile itself on the pda, and the miny gui is done, i'm all over it!
> but until then, even though Windows CE is microsoft, i love it! works
> great.
>
> AND... :) hehe
>
> At comdex there was a compact flash device announced that will ship at
> the new year that has a modem, network card and a slow for the Sony
> Memory Stick. So then i can just plug in a single adapter, have
> totall connectivity and still keep memory installed (even though i'd
> have to convert to sony memory stick whatever that will be, it solves
> the single slot problem quite effectively)
>
> --
> -byron
>
>
Damian
>Well, when i purchased my device, i got a coupon for the 49.00 Xirom
>56k Flash Modem, so I bought that
Just out of curiousity, how long did it take for you to get the modem? I
just sent mine in, and I'm wondering how long it'll take. I'm not in any
particular hurry, but 6 weeks or so is a bit annoying.
-Damian
Terry
didn't do well. Same thing with Phillips.
-Terry
In article <lofY3.2708$yd1.2...@typhoon-la.pbi.net>,
aris...@hotmail.com says...
>
> Everex abandons palm-sized PC line
> By Stephanie Miles
> Staff Writer, CNET News.com
> November 15, 1999, 8:30 p.m. PT
> comdex
>
> LAS VEGAS--Manufacturer Everex became the latest defector from the Windows
> camp, as the company confirmed it has effectively discontinued its line of
> palm-sized PCs based on the Microsoft operating system.
>
> Everex has abandoned plans for the Freestyle 540, a color-screen device
> announced last March but never brought to market. In addition, the company
> is discontinuing the monochrome palm-sized devices it introduced last year,
> a company representative confirmed.
>
> Everex is showing no handheld devices at all in its booth here at the Comdex
> computer trade show, which is otherwise rife with new devices and appliances
> designed to organize information and access the Internet. The company had
> long been rumored to be shutting down its Windows CE-based product line
> operations.
>
> Although Everex was never a heavy hitter in the handheld market in terms of
> sales volume or design innovation, the news is another blow for Windows CE,
> which has struggled to make a dent in Palm Computing's market-share
> dominance. Microsoft has lately been keeping a low profile as it prepares
> for Windows CE's next update, but Everex's exit--coming on the heels of
> Philips' recent discontinuation of its Nino device--brings unwanted
> attention to the company's operating system for scaled-down Internet
> appliances and handheld computers.
>
> The reason for Everex's exit is twofold, the company said. One, customers
> showed no interest in monochrome devices based on Windows CE, and two, the
> color displays supported by the newest version of the operating system are
> exceedingly scarce.
>
> Windows CE has the ability to run more powerful applications than the Palm
> operating system, observers say, but the more robust software also has the
> tendency to drain the battery. While a heavily-used Palm device can run for
> weeks on one battery, a Windows CE device must be continually recharged, an
> Everex representative explained.
>
> because of power limitations, palm-sized PCs can only be used as companions
> to a desktop computer, not as stand-alone devices.
>
> In addition to the battery life and other software issues, Everex had
> trouble getting its hands on enough color displays to bring its product to
> market. Everex's parent company manufactures and distributes screens for
> Compaq's color palm-sized PC. Because of shortages of the color displays,
Terry
Its amazing what developers have done with the Palm but I'm wondering how
its going to step up to the next level, i.e. multitasking, large
databases, bigger and higher resolution screen. Thats why CE devices are
used in so many vertical applications and Palms aren't. For the record
I've had a Palm Pro, Palm III, Palm V and Palm Vx so I'm not an anti-plam
guy. Just wondering how they're going to move ahead.
-Terry
In article <o1jY3.1421$P71....@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>,
carl...@nbnet.nb.ca says...
> Everex was never known for their Palm PC's in any case. If 3Com can claim so
> much of the market share as one manufacturer then it stands to reason that
> another company with a desirable product could do the same. Currently it
> appears as if the E-100/105 is the machine to beat in the CE brand. Compaq
> may do well with their new 1530 since it addresses two major complaints;
> size & battery life. Personally after having been back with a Palm for the
> last 3 months I'm going to stick with it for now but I'm still not as happy
> with the resolution of the current Palm IIIe/x screen. Paying extra money
> for the better screen & less memory of the V isn't attractive to me, as a
> IIIe is thin enough as it is.
>
> Aristo <aris...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lofY3.2708$yd1.2...@typhoon-la.pbi.net...
Quick Dry
Flash memory, meaning you could completely change the OS)
they had new PPS stuff at Comdex,.. damn I wish I could have gone there,
I had to sneak into the Aussie one here in sydney and they had jack all
about PPC's one thing at xircom, and 3com gave out palmiiix's (which
would have been good - if I'd won one ;-) )
and the IBM stand was joint Big blue and Microsoft, so it was only IBM
comps on display, and they hadn't even HEARd of the microdrive :-(
one bright thing though, the 3com ppl assured me that sydney CBD would
soon be proper wireless IP networked :-)
umm, oops, slightly offtopic
byronm
"Aristo" <aris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, I didn't realize you were doing the Old WInCE card juggle...Hope
you
> don't get too many Outlook notes (oh yeah they don't sync out of the
box
> anyway) or contacts otherwise you won't have any room for mail...
You have obviously never used a Casio E-100 or higher PalmPC.
I have *never* ran out of space for my web browsing, clipping, email,
tasks or notes. My Flash card switching is for work software,
databases, MP3's, WMF's, pictures, files, whatever else i exchange.
*EVERYTHING* that i sync, INCLUDING avantgo web pages, Ibrowser web
surfing, *HUNDREDS* of emails, THOUSANDS of contacts, todo's, notes,
meetings, Minutes ALL fit on my memory that exists on the device..
Hell, i may upgrade to the 32 meg E105 so i can sell off one of my 64
meg flash cards, and upgrade to the newly Announced Compact Flash Multi-
Purpose Card that has Network, Modem, and uses Sony Memory Sticks to
allow complete upgradeability without switching cards.
There is *no* hassle in swicthing cards either..
So i don't know what your complaining about..
byronm
> Just out of curiousity, how long did it take for you to get the
modem? I
> just sent mine in, and I'm wondering how long it'll take. I'm not in
any
> particular hurry, but 6 weeks or so is a bit annoying.
Takes just about 3-4 weeks. I guess they order in quantity and ship in
quantities to lower they're costs. hehe. But the modem is very well
wort the 49.00!
--
-byron
All the News
"Damian" <dam...@SPAMTRAPmailandnews.com> wrote in message
This is where the beauty of the Visor comes in.
Does everything the Palm does, and like the Palm
(as it is pretty much a palm!) does it extremely well.
You want more? Just snap in an Springboard!
Play 64 megs worth of MP3s, Play games, use
GPS to find your way... the possibilities are really
quite extensive.
Bascially, it all comes down to this for me (Note
the "for me" part, your mileage may vary.):
I've got my computer to do the big stuff. The
web browsing, the number crunching and all.
My handheld isn't intended to replace my
computer, but rather to be a convience for when
I'm not sitting at my PC.
Chris
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>This is where the beauty of the Visor comes in.
>Does everything the Palm does, and like the Palm
>(as it is pretty much a palm!) does it extremely well.
>You want more? Just snap in an Springboard!
>Play 64 megs worth of MP3s, Play games, use
>GPS to find your way... the possibilities are really
>quite extensive.
But why did they go with a proprietary hardware standard?
By utilizing standards, they could have leveraged the expansion devices
which already exist for the WinCE, cameras and other handheld devices.
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Aristo
Slow, battery sucker and after the novelty wears off you're stuck with a pig
Bullshit on all that stuff fitting in internal memory...Sorry Pal, been
there, done that ani't buying your BS...
I've had a E-105 with all the goodies, including a 64MB CF card, HUM to play
MP3 and the MS media player.., yes I know about putting it on a card and
pulling it out. but to try and bullshit me and say that Avantgo and all that
crap (hundreds of e-mails sure) fit in internal is an outright lie...
Now go find a phone line AND power outlet to plug into to check your
e-mail...
byronm <byron...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:813osh$oad$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
byronm
"Aristo" <aris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Had a E-105 and dumped it...
>
> Slow, battery sucker and after the novelty wears off you're stuck
with a pig
>
> Bullshit on all that stuff fitting in internal memory...Sorry Pal,
been
> there, done that ani't buying your BS...
My BS? What are you talking about?
> I've had a E-105 with all the goodies, including a 64MB CF card, HUM
to play
> MP3 and the MS media player.., yes I know about putting it on a card
and
> pulling it out. but to try and bullshit me and say that Avantgo and
all that
> crap (hundreds of e-mails sure) fit in internal is an outright lie...
>
> Now go find a phone line AND power outlet to plug into to check your
> e-mail...
Ahem, there is a 75 hour battery coming out. My battery lasts atleast
7 hours, maybe 5-6 when playing alot of Music. Thats plenty of time, as
it sits on the charger while i'm asleep, so it *NEVER* runs out.
Plus when i ride the train i get to plugin as each row of window seats
has a 120v plug for electricity use..
Yes, I-browser, Avantgo, the email, contacts and all my major notes and
small databases fit on my E100, the E-105 has 32 megs of memory, which
is MORE then enought, and MORE then what i have. I keep extras on each
flash card, depending on what i wanna use
The E-100 is far from slow, its multitasking, good crips pictures,
great stereo sound, solid device.
YOU obviously have some *MAJOR* issues.
Go home, take a chill pill, and face reality buddy.
Ian Stirling
>>This is where the beauty of the Visor comes in.
>>Does everything the Palm does, and like the Palm
<snip>
> But why did they go with a proprietary hardware standard?
> By utilizing standards, they could have leveraged the expansion devices
> which already exist for the WinCE, cameras and other handheld devices.
Among reasons I can think of are:
Allowing seperation of the microphone, and springboard slot,
without an extra a/d in the visor, and possibly more complex boards.
Driver problems.
For visor specific stuff, currently, I can make a device that interfaces
to a wibbletron 5000, using one initial design, intended to reduce initail
cost, making it easy for me to bring something to market, quickly, and
easily.
If it sells well, or bits become unavailable, then I can redesign,
write a new driver, with no problems for the end user.
>From a users point of view, there is no need to download new drivers,
no problems with getting the wrong version, no chance of losing the
driver, due to a broken visor, lost batteries, ...
It also makes the design of the visor simpler, as well as making
the springboards better suited to the visor (the corrolary of course is
that it can't use the existing base of CF/whatever)
I don't think handspring will gain much, through sales of springboards,
as they don't seem to be directly involved with more than a couple,
and the ones they do, are easy for other vendors to undercut with.
Another thing that's nice about the visor, is that when it's in the
cradle, the springboard can draw several watts, to charge batteries.
(not in this version though)
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starman
| CE's not limited to web clipping either, Palm users can get Ibrowser,
| H/PC users can use the included Explorer. I just use clipping to save
| costs on Cellular time.. When i plugin at home for dialup, its full
What is web clipping? Please someone explain.
Steven G. Tyler
> Everex made a crappy Palm PC. Had a horrendous screen. No wonder they
> didn't do well. Same thing with Phillips.
Gee, sounds like vintage whine made of sour grapes. ;-)
Funny, somehow I don't remember the WinCE crowd saying such things until
after the manufacturers quit -- in fact, I distinctly remember all the
verbal wet dreams over the Nino when it first came out. My, how times
change!
--
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The Computer Counselor -- Technology Consulting for the Law Office
Webmaster, Troop 339, BAC, BSA (http://members.aol.com/troop339)
Steven G. Tyler
> 3Com really hasn't done anything to improve the OS. Very minor changes.
> Its amazing what developers have done with the Palm but I'm wondering how
> its going to step up to the next level, i.e. multitasking, large
> databases, bigger and higher resolution screen. Thats why CE devices are
> used in so many vertical applications and Palms aren't. For the record
> I've had a Palm Pro, Palm III, Palm V and Palm Vx so I'm not an anti-plam
> guy. Just wondering how they're going to move ahead.
Just wondering how one person could have had so may Palms, and yet
completely miss the point.
"Improving" an OS for a Palm-sized device doesn't necessarily mean
adding features. The Palms have been wildly successful precisely
*because* they've avoided playing the MS sucker game --
"bigger=better=bloated." By this model, the best toothpick would be the
size of a telephone pole (to get better TV reception and permit
pole-vaulting, of course!).
Whether the Palm OS can triumph over WinCE in 'vertical applications' is
largely irrelevant -- on the Palm-sized device, the Palm OS is the clear
winner. FWIW, AFAICS WinCE is being included in vertical applications
less because of its suitability than because of MS's marketing and
deal-making prowess (read, "FUD") -- the same reason it was shoehorned
into Palm-sized devices that were, "of course", going to eat the Palm's
lunch.
Right.
Steven G. Tyler
Byron Miller wrote:
> > > Everex made a crappy Palm PC. Had a horrendous screen. No wonder they
> > > didn't do well. Same thing with Phillips.
> > Gee, sounds like vintage whine made of sour grapes. ;-)
> >
> > Funny, somehow I don't remember the WinCE crowd saying such things until
> > after the manufacturers quit -- in fact, I distinctly remember all the
> > verbal wet dreams over the Nino when it first came out. My, how times
> > change!
> And i guess no one ever admits that about the first 3 generations of the
> palm either??? :)
Well, frankly, most first-through-third-generation Palm users are either
still happily using their Palms, or have relatively fond memories of
their first Palms even after they've upgraded. Yes, the earlier screens
were not as clear (about which there was plenty of contemporaneous
complaining!) and the devices didn't have as much memory, but otherwise
were and are remarkably similar to the current cutting edge Palms in
terms of core functionality.
On the other hand, there's been a steady stream of
chasing-the-cutting-edge devices in the WinCE world (i.e., with more
bells and whistles), to the effect that each new generation abandoned
and obsoleted all its predecessors -- and the beat goes on! Like I said,
a sucker's game . . .
Byron Miller
> | CE's not limited to web clipping either, Palm users can get Ibrowser,
> | H/PC users can use the included Explorer. I just use clipping to save
> | costs on Cellular time.. When i plugin at home for dialup, its full
>
> What is web clipping? Please someone explain.
Check out http://www.avantgo.com for a good site.
Clipping is the ability to download specific tidbits of a website
without digging your way through. Clipping on CE is usually an
active channel, but avantgo simplifies this even more.
It allows me to configure my channels, setup my area code, and
download data specific to what i'm looking for in a format "clipped"
for a PalmPC.
-byron
Byron Miller
palm either??? :)
> > Everex made a crappy Palm PC. Had a horrendous screen. No wonder they
> > didn't do well. Same thing with Phillips.
>
> Gee, sounds like vintage whine made of sour grapes. ;-)
>
> Funny, somehow I don't remember the WinCE crowd saying such things until
> after the manufacturers quit -- in fact, I distinctly remember all the
> verbal wet dreams over the Nino when it first came out. My, how times
> change!
Damian
>Everex made a crappy Palm PC. Had a horrendous screen. No wonder they
>didn't do well. Same thing with Phillips.
First I bought an Everex. Then I needed to do VB apps so I bought a
Nino. Man, companies should pay me to not buy their products.
-Damian
Byron Miller
-byron
"Damian" <dam...@SPAMTRAPmailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:8E85F3E7damian...@63.211.125.80...
Damian
<znLZ3.2101$q6.1...@news1.epix.net>:
>I'll buy your Old everex and your nino from you if you don't want them.
Oh no, I still use them both. I was just commenting on how my buying
them was like their kiss of death.
-Damian
Beecroft
Steven G. Tyler <sgt...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:383702BD...@erols.com...
> Terry wrote:
>
> > Everex made a crappy Palm PC. Had a horrendous screen. No wonder they
> > didn't do well. Same thing with Phillips.
>
RLara
> In article <80s4ht$o0t$1...@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Michael Anderson" <txa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > ... now where is the WinCEOnline reporting of this...?
> >
> > Oh wait, their motto isn't "all the news that's fit to post", rather
> it's
> > "all the pro-WinCE, anti-Palm/EPOC/etc news that fits our bias"...
> >
> > Sorry for the overly negative cynicism ... I actually like the site,
> I just
> > wish they would present more even-handed coverage, or stop calling it
> > 'news'...
> >
>
> All i have to say, is if you can't hang with the big boys, you
> can't hang at all..
>
> i'm sorry to see those vendors leave, but phillips does this with
> everything, when has Everex ever been a stable company?
>
> I love my casiopeia e-100, i wouldn't trade it for a crappy old palm
> pilot ever..
>
> I can play my music, check my email, play games, even run Palm III
> applications, run Gameboy roms, keep track of my meetings, clip my
> internet clippings using avantgo.
>
> Windows CE may be cludgy, but it works, its exciting, and its fun. I
> also throw linux on my E-100 everyonce in a while, and may eventually
> switch on over to it fulltime as the miny gui's and libc are completed.
>
> I feel sorry for everyone who has nothing better to do except complain
> about everything else instead of using what they're happy with.
>
>
> --
> -byron
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