Sigh... I think my 16+ year Quicken relationship is about to end
Eric J. Holtman
But now I'm in some mode where all online updates
just seem to be stuck.
I can't stand that Intuit has just decided to
take a crap all over their customers.
I guess they figure as long as I keep re-upping,
I'm happy. Well, I'm not, and I think I'll
start looking for better software.
David Arnstein
Eric J. Holtman <e...@ericholtman.com> wrote:
>I can't stand that Intuit has just decided to
>take a crap all over their customers.
>
>I guess they figure as long as I keep re-upping,
>I'm happy. Well, I'm not, and I think I'll
>start looking for better software.
Microsoft Money, the only significant competitor to Quicken, is now
discontinued. Quicken is practially a monopoly. So don't expect Intuit
to love up its customers.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstei...@pobox.com {{ }}
^^
XS11E
Maybe I can save you some time, I've been looking for about 7 years and
there is nothing that even begins to compare.
If you find something please let me know, thanks.
Han
news:Xns9C369506E67...@127.0.0.1:
I have installed Ubuntu as a Linux package on my laptop. It works very
fast, and it almost looks as if gnucash will be able to supplant Quicken.
Obviously the importing from Quicken-exported qif files leaves a lot to
be desired, and the program does seem to behave significantly
differently. I don't have the time or inclination to experiment
excessively, but someone with time shoudl try and report experiences
(grinnning!! - because I am too lazy to do it myself!!!)
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
pyotr filipivich
Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:38:59 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in
alt.comp.software.financial.quicken the following:
As I said, I found Quicken 2005 to be such, that I found nothing
better. And that is exactly what I've been using for the last three
years: nothing.
tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
Andrew DeFaria
I can almost deal with the annoying flashing bug.
But now I'm in some mode where all online updates just seem to be stuck.
I can't stand that Intuit has just decided to take a crap all over their customers.
I guess they figure as long as I keep re-upping, I'm happy. Well, I'm not, and I think I'll start looking for better software.
Laura
news:Xns9C36DAC62...@216.151.153.44...
Good luck with GnuCash. I have a client who replaced her Dell windows laptop
with one of their Ubuntu machines. I set her up with GnuCash as a
replacement to QuickBooks. It works but I find it a little clunky compared
to Q or QB.
Here is a link to a GC user e-mail list and message archive:
https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
Han
news:h25164$2lt$1...@optima7.xanadu-bbs.net:
As I mentioned, I haven't realy used gnuc ash, and certainly not as a
replacement for QuickBOOKS (I'm a casual user of Quicken, not
quickbooks).
Btw, I find the mailing list archives a bit clunky to peruse as well, and
the https link doesn't really work for me.
Bert Hyman
<And...@DeFaria.com> wrote:
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
><html>
><head>
> <style type="text/css">
> body {
> font: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
> }
> p {
> font: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
> }
> .standout {
> font-family: verdana,
> arial,
> sans-serif;
> font-size: 12px;
> color: #993333;
>
What?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Han
216.250.184.7:
> In news:4a45978f$0$89388$815e...@news.qwest.net Andrew DeFaria
> <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote:
>
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>><html>
>><head>
>> <style type="text/css">
>> body {
>> font: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
>> }
>> p {
>> font: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
>> }
>> .standout {
>> font-family: verdana,
>> arial,
>> sans-serif;
>> font-size: 12px;
>> color: #993333;
>>
>
> What?
It's Andrew DeFaria. One has to adapt to his ways or ignore him.
Unfortunately, the pearls of wisdom that he does have (I kid you not) get
drowned out by his ways ... Really too bad.
Andrew, I respect your wisdom, but I couldn't distill anything from your
post either.
Laura
I found the archives okay for researching problems okay but on an on-going
get help mode I agree it does not work well. I was able to set up the
mailing list in Thunderbird so that I can download and respond via a regular
e-mail program.
Han
news:h25e6d$6co$1...@optima7.xanadu-bbs.net:
Well, I like it better if there is a usenet newsgroup-like way. But I am
not really up to the switch yet, so for the moment I'll stay with Q2008.
Should be good at least for another 2 years. By that time I might be
retired ... Yeah!! Hope the stock market will start performing soon ...
XS11E
> It's Andrew DeFaria. One has to adapt to his ways or ignore him.
> Unfortunately, the pearls of wisdom that he does have (I kid you
> not) get drowned out by his ways ... Really too bad.
Killfile the rude *ssh*le. He knows better than to post HTML but he's
too damn rude to change.
Andrew DeFaria
Well, I like it better if there is a usenet newsgroup-like way.
Andrew DeFaria
Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in news:Xns9C3760F05A5AFVeebleFetzer@
216.250.184.7:
In news:4a45978f$0$89388$815e...@news.qwest.net Andrew DeFariaIt's Andrew DeFaria.
<And...@DeFaria.com> wrote:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">What?
<html>
<head>
<style type="text/css">
body {
font: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
}
p {
font: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
}
.standout {
font-family: verdana,
arial,
sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
color: #993333;
One has to adapt to his ways or ignore him.
Unfortunately, the pearls of wisdom that he does have (I kid you not) get drowned out by his ways ... Really too bad.
Andrew, I respect your wisdom, but I couldn't distill anything from your post either.
Andrew DeFaria
Han <nob...@nospam.not> wrote:You mean like you did?
It's Andrew DeFaria. One has to adapt to his ways or ignore him. Unfortunately, the pearls of wisdom that he does have (I kid younot) get drowned out by his ways ... Really too bad.Killfile the rude *ssh*le.
He knows better than to post HTML but he's too damn rude to change.
Han
@news.qwest.net:
> I wouldn't be caught dead with a
> necrophiliac.
OK.
Han
@news.qwest.net:
> Only for idiots such as yourself who are incapable or unwilling to
> update their tools to handle modern communications, yet. I find wasting
> my valuable time with such social ingrates not worth the effort.
plonk
Bert Hyman
<xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
He's probably like American tourists who travel to Europe and insist on
speaking English and paying for things in dollars.
Jerry Boyle
"Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in message
news:4a465070$0$89864$815e...@news.qwest.net...
FWIW the above post came through crystal-clear in my newsreader (Windows
Mail, Vista SP2) and simply clicking on the news link gave me exactly what
Han asked for.
Windows Mail even automatically set up the news server account, created the
NG folder and read in all the NG messages.
Jerry
P.S. My apologies for distracting those of you who are more interested in
enjoying and/or participating in the "gentlemanly" exchange of opinions in
this thread :-)
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:4a465070$0$89864$815e3792
@news.qwest.net:
I wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac.OK.
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:4a4651ee$0$87066$815e...@news.qwest.net:
Only for idiots such as yourself who are incapable or unwilling to update their tools to handle modern communications, yet. I find wasting my valuable time with such social ingrates not worth the effort.plonk
XS11E
The difference is that People in Europe tolerate American tourists
because they want their business, there's no reason to tolerate
rudeness here AFAIK.
May I also point out that speaking English and paying in dollars is
usually more ignorance than deliberate rudeness?
Andrew DeFaria
"Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in message
news:4a465070$0$89864$815e...@news.qwest.net...
Han wrote:FWIW the above post came through crystal-clear in my newsreader (Windows Mail, Vista SP2) and simply clicking on the news link gave me exactly what Han asked for.
Well, I like it better if there is a usenet newsgroup-like way.
news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user
--
Andrew DeFaria
I wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac.
Windows Mail even automatically set up the news server account, created the NG folder and read in all the NG messages.
Jerry
P.S. My apologies for distracting those of you who are more interested in enjoying and/or participating in the "gentlemanly" exchange of opinions in this thread :-)
You see, if some people would put aside their silly assed opinions and stop trying to tell others how they should conduct their lives then they would be more happy. Me? I'm as happy as a clam! Because remember kiddies - my software works just fine (as does others). You're having the problem.
Andrew DeFaria
One of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts. - Benjamin Franklin
Andrew DeFaria
Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
In news:Xns9C376459B26...@127.0.0.1 XS11E
<xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
Han <nob...@nospam.not> wrote:He's probably like American tourists who travel to Europe and insist on speaking English and paying for things in dollars.
It's Andrew DeFaria. One has to adapt to his ways or ignore him. Unfortunately, the pearls of wisdom that he does have (I kid you not) get drowned out by his ways ... Really too bad.Killfile the rude *ssh*le. He knows better than to post HTML but he's too damn rude to change.
The difference is that People in Europe tolerate American tourists because they want their business, there's no reason to tolerate rudeness here AFAIK.
May I also point out that speaking English and paying in dollars is usually more ignorance than deliberate rudeness?
Laura
news:H5u1m.91378$d36....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
FWIW, I tried that newsgroup setup a couple of months ago when we first
started using GC and could not get any of my messages to post. I think it
must be a moderated link to the archive. Very few people seem to be
accessing the group that way. The majority are accessing it through e-mail.
E-mail is certainly a faster way of getting help if you are having trouble.
Han
>
> "Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in message
> news:4a465070$0$89864$815e...@news.qwest.net...
>> Han wrote:
>> Well, I like it better if there is a usenet newsgroup-like way.
>>
>> news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user
>>
>> --
>> Andrew DeFaria
>> I wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac.
>
> FWIW the above post came through crystal-clear in my newsreader
> (Windows Mail, Vista SP2) and simply clicking on the news link gave me
> exactly what Han asked for.
>
> Windows Mail even automatically set up the news server account,
> created the NG folder and read in all the NG messages.
Thanks for the ink. I now set up my Xnews for it, and that works fine,
for receiving posts anyway. I haven't tried sending anything (sorry,
Laura).
>
> Jerry
>
> P.S. My apologies for distracting those of you who are more interested
> in enjoying and/or participating in the "gentlemanly" exchange of
> opinions in this thread :-)
While Andrew DeFaria may think I am knocking him, I still remember the
guy who set up one of the best websites I know of, to help people with
problems with Quicken. I still have the utmost respect for the Andrew
DeFaria of yore (is that how it's spelled?). The one now posting mostly
vitriol encased in html must be someone else. I apologize to the group
for having awakened him somehow.
Han
216.250.184.7:
As a born Dutchman, and now a US citizen, when I now go to Europe I use
mostly plastic to pay for things. I try to use my Dutch bank account,
though, since the � is far too expensive.
Andrew DeFaria
FWIW, I tried that newsgroup setup a couple of months ago when we first started using GC and could not get any of my messages to post.
I think it must be a moderated link to the archive. Very few people seem to be accessing the group that way.
The majority are accessing it through e-mail. E-mail is certainly a faster way of getting help if you are having trouble.
Andrew DeFaria
"Jerry Boyle" <jerry...@att.net> wrote in
news:H5u1m.91378$d36....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
"Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in messageThanks for the ink.
news:4a465070$0$89864$815e...@news.qwest.net...
Han wrote:FWIW the above post came through crystal-clear in my newsreader (Windows Mail, Vista SP2) and simply clicking on the news link gave me exactly what Han asked for.
Well, I like it better if there is a usenet newsgroup-like way.
news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user
--
Andrew DeFaria
I wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac.
Windows Mail even automatically set up the news server account, created the NG folder and read in all the NG messages.
I now set up my Xnews for it, and that works fine, for receiving posts anyway. I haven't tried sending anything (sorry, Laura).
JerryWhile Andrew DeFaria may think I am knocking him,
P.S. My apologies for distracting those of you who are more interested in enjoying and/or participating in the "gentlemanly" exchange of opinions in this thread :-)
I still remember the guy who set up one of the best websites I know of, to help people with problems with Quicken.
I still have the utmost respect for the Andrew DeFaria of yore (is that how it's spelled?).
The one now posting mostly vitriol encased in html must be someone else.
I apologize to the group for having awakened him somehow.
Sharx35
"XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9C376459B26...@127.0.0.1...
What the FUCK is the problem? Just get a half-assed decent new group reader
like Windows Live Mail and you'll have no trouble dealing with HTML. This is
2009, for effing sake.
Sharx35
"Han" <nob...@nospam.not> wrote in message
> Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in
> news:4a4651ee$0$87066$815e3792
> @news.qwest.net:
>
>> Only for idiots such as yourself who are incapable or unwilling to
>> update their tools to handle modern communications, yet. I find wasting
>> my valuable time with such social ingrates not worth the effort.
ingrates? No, technical Neanderthal Cro-Magnons is what text users are.
Laura
"Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6BF1m.33881$PH1.18586@edtnps82...
Totally off-topic but can you tell me some advantages of Windows Live Mail
over windows Mail that comes with Vista? Do you have to log into Windows
Live website to use it or is it just an improved desktop e-mail program?
Sharx35
"Laura" <inv...@sample.invalid> wrote in message
news:h27ko7$p42$1...@optima7.xanadu-bbs.net...
Good question. The main reason that I went to WLM was that it seemed to be
the most up to date MS mail program for Windows XP. I don't know about
whether that applies to VISTA, too. I stand to be corrected on this, though.
XS11E
>
> "XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C376459B26...@127.0.0.1...
>> Killfile the rude *ssh*le. He knows better than to post HTML but
>> he's too damn rude to change.
>
> What the FUCK is the problem?
The problem is people who are deliberately and intentionally rude to
others in the group.
> Just get a half-assed decent new group reader like Windows Live
> Mail and you'll have no trouble dealing with HTML.
How sad that someone would think that Windows Live Mail was a decent
newsreader. It truly is "eternal September!"
> This is 2009, for effing sake.
Yes, and the rules of netiquette haven't changed nor will they.
Han
@edtnps82:
> technical Neanderthal Cro-Magnons is what text users are.
>
I use Eudora for email and Xnews for news. It works for me. Usually I can
even decipher the real text embedded with html tags (for those who don't
know it, html is really plain text embellished with plain text
"instructions" of how to "render" the embedded plain text). I consider
newsgroups the transmittal of plain text information. If there is more,
sorry, I can't perceive that part as yet.
I don't think that I will try Windows Live or dead Mail yet. If and when I
get convinced that it is really better for me, I will. I do use other
Windows Live stuff.
NOTE to lovers of "new" technology: Microsoft has annaounced it is
abandoning the "proprietary" format of Hotmail, and from now on will use
the "new" technology of authenticated pop and smtp servers for email. This
to enhance security ...
Han
something new ...
I see now where I went wrong. When trying to decipher Andrew's post, I
missed the link below among the html crap displayed by Xnews, and just saw
the sig's quote. Mea culpa. I apologize for inciting this avalanche of
off-topic discussion.
I still maintain that the html is unnecessary and distracting. For reading
newsgroups I don't need Windows Live Mail. It was somehow on this machine,
so I tried it. It was a trial to find how to subscribe to astraweb, but
once known it isn't difficult to subscribe to any news server, just a little
different from Xnews in the menu choices of how to get there. Nothing seems
faster in WLM than in Xnews, and for text that is not a point either.
First and Last post (at least for a while) from WLM.
Have a great day, all
"Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in message
news:4a465070$0$89864$815e...@news.qwest.net...
Bert Hyman
wrote:
> What the FUCK is the problem? Just get a half-assed decent new group
> reader like Windows Live Mail and you'll have no trouble dealing with
> HTML.
USENET is and always was a pure ASCII network.
HTML is for hypertext, hence its name.
> This is 2009, for effing sake.
So what?
Andrew DeFaria
It's so silly that people type things like f*cking, effing and *ssh*le! We all know what you really said. Who do you think your fooling? Do you think it really makes you less "vulgar". Remember there are no "bad" words - just bad intent. Say the real words. Be a fucking adult. It is, after all, called adult language and I really doubt that any kids are posting/reading here. (And even if they were they probably have heard it all before). I guess it goes hand and hand with all you cowards hiding behind aliases and fake names...
As to more modern news readers, in order for him to do that he's have to admit that he's wrong, which is something he's not willing to do. Plus he'd have to change his ways which is another thing he's not willing to do.
Andrew DeFaria
"Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
"XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in messageThe problem is people who are deliberately and intentionally rude to others in the group.
news:Xns9C376459B26...@127.0.0.1...
Killfile the rude *ssh*le. He knows better than to post HTML butWhat the FUCK is the problem?
he's too damn rude to change.
Just get a half-assed decent new group reader like Windows Live Mail and you'll have no trouble dealing with HTML.How sad that someone would think that Windows Live Mail was a decent newsreader. It truly is "eternal September!"
This is 2009, for effing sake.Yes, and the rules of netiquette haven't changed nor will they.
Andrew DeFaria
Windows Live Mail starts top-posting. Sorry. Just showing that I can try something new ...
I see now where I went wrong. When trying to decipher Andrew's post, I missed the link below among the html crap displayed by Xnews, and just saw the sig's quote. Mea culpa. I apologize for inciting this avalanche of off-topic discussion.
I still maintain that the html is unnecessary and distracting.
Regardless if you think it's unnecessary others will use it and it appears in the output. Of what good is it to cover your ears and say "I don't hear you"? Of what good is it to complain to everybody who may do it differently than you. It's clear that it's acceptable as per the standards as the standards do not say that HTML is no allowed. So my question to you is: What are you gonna do about it? Complain?
For reading newsgroups I don't need Windows Live Mail.
It was somehow on this machine, so I tried it. It was a trial to find how to subscribe to astraweb, but once known it isn't difficult to subscribe to any news server, just a little different from Xnews in the menu choices of how to get there. Nothing seems faster in WLM than in Xnews, and for text that is not a point either.
First and Last post (at least for a while) from WLM.
Have a great day, all
"Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in message news:4a465070$0$89864$815e...@news.qwest.net...
Han wrote:
Well, I like it better if there is a usenet newsgroup-like way.
news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user
--
Andrew DeFaria
I wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac.
Antares 531
<And...@DeFaria.com> wrote:
>Sharx35 wrote:
>"XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:Xns9C376459B26...@127.0.0.1...
>Han <nob...@nospam.not> wrote:
>It's Andrew DeFaria. One has to adapt to his ways or ignore him. Unfortunately, the pearls of wisdom that he does have (I kid you not) get drowned out by his ways ... Really too bad.
>Killfile the rude *ssh*le. He knows better than to post HTML but he's too damn rude to change.
>What the FUCK is the problem? Just get a half-assed decent new group reader like Windows Live Mail and you'll have no trouble dealing with HTML. This is 2009, for effing sake.
>s/effing/fucking/
>
When I was a kid growing up in the ranch country of western Oklahoma,
there were a number of "old timers" who used these expletives in their
regular conversation. The general assessment was that they were
"linguistically challenged" and felt it necessary to use these
expletives to adequately express themselves.
Most of us with more than an 8th grade education have little or no
difficulty expressing our thoughts without the use of these
expletives, but I have no problem with those who are linguistically
challenged when they fall back on such means of expression. Gordon
Han
@news.qwest.net:
> The "rules of netiquette" are nothing more than a bunch a rules some
> people have made up to control others. They really mean nothing except
> one groups <b>opinion</b> of how the world should be. Therefore they
> carry exactly the same weight as any other groups opinion. The funny
> thing little man hiding in anonymity is that you have yet to realize
> this.<br>
There are always people who know better. Netiquette was a generally agreed
upon way to converse. Foul language ( for lack of a better description)
has its place, but usenet may not always be it.
Now, as far as newsreaders is concerned - I really tried reading these
discussions in Live Mail, but I think it is clumsy, slows me down, and
takes up more real estate on my laptop screen than I care about. So I may
again quote inadvertently inappropriate portions of html posts, and I
apologize to the group's members in advance.
Andrew DeFaria
"Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:nCF1m.33882$PH1.2387@edtnps82:
technical Neanderthal Cro-Magnons is what text users are.I use Eudora for email and Xnews for news. It works for me.
Usually I can even decipher the real text embedded with html tags (for those who don't know it, html is really plain text embellished with plain text "instructions" of how to "render" the embedded plain text). I consider newsgroups the transmittal of plain text information. If there is more, sorry, I can't perceive that part as yet.
I don't think that I will try Windows Live or dead Mail yet.
If and when I get convinced that it is really better for me, I will. I do use other Windows Live stuff.
NOTE to lovers of "new" technology: Microsoft has annaounced it is abandoning the "proprietary" format of Hotmail, and from now on will use the "new" technology of authenticated pop and smtp servers for email. This
to enhance security ...
Andrew DeFaria
A lady came up to me on the street, pointed at my suede jacket and said, "Don't you know a cow was murdered for that jacket?" I said "I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have to kill you too."
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:4a47a374$0$48217$815e...@news.qwest.net:
The "rules of netiquette" are nothing more than a bunch a rules some people have made up to control others. They really mean nothing except one groups <b>opinion</b> of how the world should be. Therefore they carry exactly the same weight as any other groups opinion. The funny thing little man hiding in anonymity is that you have yet to realize this.<br>There are always people who know better.
Netiquette was a generally agreed upon way to converse.
Foul language ( for lack of a better description) has its place, but usenet may not always be it.
Now, as far as newsreaders is concerned - I really tried reading these discussions in Live Mail, but I think it is clumsy, slows me down, and takes up more real estate on my laptop screen than I care about.
Han
@news.qwest.net:
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> <html>
> <head>
> etc
Andrew, you're becoming pathetic. And yes, noew I am berating you. By
your own admission you cut the plain text portion from your posts, and I
believe it is just because you like to make people who can't/won't read
html feel inferior. I am doing my best to keep a civil conversation, but
you are using language that is unnecessary. I started out by referring to
your good deeds, but apparently that is not enough for King Andy. Everyone
has to follow YOUR rules. Well, tough. If you are now misquoted because
of your html garbage, the joke is on you.
Andrew DeFaria
When I was a kid growing up in the ranch country of western Oklahoma,
there were a number of "old timers" who used these expletives in their regular conversation. The general assessment was that they were "linguistically challenged" and felt it necessary to use these expletives to adequately express themselves.
Most of us with more than an 8th grade education have little or no difficulty expressing our thoughts without the use of these expletives,
but I have no problem with those who are linguistically challenged when they fall back on such means of expression. Gordon
It's a just a shorthand, more biting way to express oneself that has it's own flavor and point. It's an expression like many others that often times is way more descriptive. Like, for example, instead of having to box oneself into the politically correct terminology of the day (linguistically challenged) attempting to be nice or sound nice when truth be told you're not being nice at all, one can simply say what they really mean and really feel sufficiently by simply stating "you're a retard!"
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:4a47a647$0$89864$815e...@news.qwest.net:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">Andrew, you're becoming pathetic.
<html>
<head>
etc
And yes, noew I am berating you.
P.S.: Doesn't your wonderful Xnews have a spell checker? ROTFLMAO!
By your own admission you cut the plain text portion from your posts,
I simply said text.
(That was a joke son!)
and I believe it is just because you like to make people who can't/won't read html feel inferior.
And where did I say that people should/can or should not/cannot read HTML? Their news reader should handle it for them. (And that was no joke)
I am doing my best to keep a civil conversation, but you are using language that is unnecessary.
But truth be told nothing here is strictly necessary anyway. We were just having a conversation - an unnecessary conversation. And, in fact I was, and did, help you. Then you got all bent out of shape about the style I choose to communicate in. Now you're getting all bent out of shape about the words I choose to use. Yet you don't see me complaining about your style nor word choices (just the accuracy of your communication because a lack of accuracy leads to miscommunication).
If you cannot handle the mode of communication I use and do not like the style with which I chose to communicate let me offer you this simple solution: STOP FUCKING COMMUNICATING WITH ME! There - all better. Besides didn't you "plonk" me? Some plonk. I thought that Xnews was good at plonking people...
I started out by referring to your good deeds,
but apparently that is not enough for King Andy.
Everyone has to follow YOUR rules.
Well, tough. If you are now misquoted because of your html garbage, the joke is on you.
Antares 531
<And...@DeFaria.com> wrote:
>Antares 531 wrote: When I was a kid growing up in the ranch country of western Oklahoma, Oh my! We are about to get the definitive in wisdom from an Oky from Miscoky (sp?). I can hardly wait!
>there were a number of "old timers" who used these expletives in their regular conversation. The general assessment was that they were "linguistically challenged" and felt it necessary to use these expletives to adequately express themselves.
>Another person who just doesn't get it and who will probably post something like *ssh*le and think they are pure and somebody who can actually spell is out is challenged... I guess you would just be spelling challenged then?
>
>Most of us with more than an 8th grade education have little or no difficulty expressing our thoughts without the use of these expletives,Let me ask you a question: Why should you limit yourself? How is limiting yourself to certain words superior? I can also express myself in such terms so what's the big deal? Expressing myself in these terms is more efficient and has a flavor all it's own. Honestly often it expresses more truly how I feel than attempting to be politically correct and use the "-challenged" terms. That stuff is really bullshit and I use that term because that term most closely describes how I feel about such PC terminology.
>
It isn't a matter of "limiting" myself. It is a matter of making a
better choice. Would you drink water from a toilet bowl that hadn't
been flushed since last used, or would you make a better choice and
"limit yourself" to drinking water from the tap on the vanity? It's
that kind of decision. Or, do you prefer the "flavor of its own" that
toilet bowl water offers? Gordon
Andrew DeFaria
It isn't a matter of "limiting" myself.
It is a matter of making a better choice.
Would you drink water from a toilet bowl that hadn't been flushed since last used, or would you make a better choice and "limit yourself" to drinking water from the tap on the vanity?
It's that kind of decision. Or, do you prefer the "flavor of its own" that toilet bowl water offers? Gordon
Antares 531
<And...@DeFaria.com> wrote:
>Antares 531 wrote: It isn't a matter of "limiting" myself.But you agree it is indeed a limitation by definition.
>It is a matter of making a better choice. Keyword "better". Better for what? Answer is: It depends.
>Would you drink water from a toilet bowl that hadn't been flushed since last used, or would you make a better choice and "limit yourself" to drinking water from the tap on the vanity?You're assuming a usage of drinking. If, let's say, I wished to pour shit laden water on an enemy then choosing the clean garden hose would be a poor choice. You see it depends on usage.
>It's that kind of decision. Or, do you prefer the "flavor of its own" that toilet bowl water offers? Gordon
>Again, it depends on the intended usage. There's a time and place for everything. Yet your stated opinion is that there's never a time nor place.
>--
>Andrew DeFaria
>C:\> Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner.
>
Andrew, I think you've misinterpreted my stated opinion. I said only
that I don't need to use profane language or other such rotten talk. I
can express myself quite adequately with language that would not be
offensive to anyone, anywhere, because of being polluted with profane
expletives.
But, if you contend that there is a "time and place for everything" I
suppose this means you might, from time to time, drink toilet bowl
water, huh??? My dog sometimes does this, but I think my general IQ is
a bit higher than his. Gordon
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew, I think you've misinterpreted my stated opinion.
I said only that I don't need to use profane language or other such rotten talk.Well good for you. For the record I don't need to use what you call profane language and what I call simply adult language either. Just like I don't need to use PC language nor sugary language nor the French language for that matter, though I leave all of those options open. You, with your closed minded attitude, particularly brand certain words as "profane" or "rotten". Again I point you to the fact that words in and of themselves are not bad, rotten nor profane, rather the intent behind the words may be any one of those three. For example I can call you a backwards thinking, small minded, hill billy, redneck of an unintelligent and mentally challenged moron from Oklahoma. And I'll bet that none of those words fall into your "profane language" and "rotten talk" definitions yet I'm sure you feel that all of them were hurtful and carried bad intent.
I can express myself quite adequately with language that would not be offensive to anyone, anywhere, because of being polluted with profane expletives.
Yet I find your expressions quite offensive to me! Why is that? Here's a hint. Because of the intent and meaning behind the words - not because of the choice of words themselves. You may try to take the highbrowed attitude or the holier than thou approach, but you are no more highbrowed nor holy. Actually your post here exemplifies my statement of people who think f**ked is somehow better than fucked.
But, if you contend that there is a "time and place for everything" I suppose this means you might, from time to time, drink toilet bowl water, huh???
My dog sometimes does this, but I think my general IQ is a bit higher than his. Gordon
XS11E
> Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in
> news:4a47a374$0$48217$815e3792 @news.qwest.net:
>
>> The "rules of netiquette" are nothing more than a bunch a rules
>> some people have made up to control others. They really mean
>> nothing except one groups <b>opinion</b> of how the world should
>> be. Therefore they carry exactly the same weight as any other
>> groups opinion. The funny thing little man hiding in anonymity is
>> that you have yet to realize this.<br>
I get a kick out of someone posting after he's been killfiled, shows
extreme ignorance of Usenet as does posting HTML or using a real name
and email address.
> There are always people who know better. Netiquette was a
> generally agreed upon way to converse.
Netiquette is just etiquitte for Usenet and email, and like etiquette,
it's no more than basic courtesy which has developed over many years to
allow people to live together civilly.
Andrew apparently cares nothing for courtesy to others as his posts
show, he's best killfiled and ignored just as you'd send a spoiled brat
to his room.
Eric J. Holtman
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>
Great, I get preached to about not
using Windows by a linux user too
stupid to figure out news posting.
Clue: I've been using *nix systems
since they ran on PDP11/70s at Bell
Labs.
Get over yourself.
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:4a45978f$0$89388$815e...@news.qwest.net:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">Great, I get preached to about not using Windows by a linux user too stupid to figure out news posting.
And BTW, my news posts work just fine save for crusty old curmudgeons such as yourself... Get a new news reader grandpa! And put on your glasses and thinking cap next time...
Clue: I've been using *nix systems since they ran on PDP11/70s at Bell Labs.
Get over yourself.Why, because I've already gotten over you?
Andrew DeFaria
I get a kick out of someone posting after he's been killfiled,
Besides, why would one stop posting just because you killfiled him. I mean who the fuck are you and why the fuck should I care little man?
shows extreme ignorance of Usenet as does posting HTML or using a real name and email address.
I also get a kick out of the big and bad dudes on the net who hide like little children behind anonymous names... What cha afraid of punk?
There are always people who know better. Netiquette was a generally agreed upon way to converse.Netiquette is just etiquitte for Usenet and email, and like etiquette, it's no more than basic courtesy which has developed over many years to allow people to live together civilly.
Andrew apparently cares nothing for courtesy to others as his posts show,
he's best killfiled and ignored just as you'd send a spoiled brat to his room.
Andrew DeFaria
Getting married for sex is like buying a 747 for the free peanuts - Jeff Foxworthy
Eric J. Holtman
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
[unreadable stuff elided]
There might have even been something helpful
there. No one will ever know.
Andrew DeFaria
Andrew DeFaria
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.
Eric J. Holtman
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
[more nonsense elided]
Man, I hope there was nothing valuable there.
Andrew DeFaria
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Sharx35
"XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> "Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9C376459B26...@127.0.0.1...
>>> he's too damn rude to change.
>>
>> What the FUCK is the problem?
>
> others in the group.
>
>> Mail and you'll have no trouble dealing with HTML.
>
> newsreader. It truly is "eternal September!"
>
>
>
>
What kind of naive LIEbrawl idiot would believe that the rules never change.
Wake up and smell the fucking coffee.
Bert Hyman
<e...@ericholtman.com> wrote:
> User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
Xnews has a very flexible filtering scheme; use it and your USENET
experience will be much more pleasant.
Eric J. Holtman
216.250.184.7:
> In news:Xns9C38E241D1A4B...@216.168.3.30 "Eric J. Holtman"
> <e...@ericholtman.com> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25
>
> Xnews has a very flexible filtering scheme; use it and your USENET
> experience will be much more pleasant.
>
Who's to say I'm not enjoying myself?
gregg
"Laura" <inv...@sample.invalid> wrote in message
news:h27ko7$p42$1...@optima7.xanadu-bbs.net...
>
> "Sharx35" <sha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6BF1m.33881$PH1.18586@edtnps82...
>>
>> "XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9C376459B26...@127.0.0.1...
>>>
>>>> It's Andrew DeFaria. One has to adapt to his ways or ignore him.
>>>> Unfortunately, the pearls of wisdom that he does have (I kid you
>>>> not) get drowned out by his ways ... Really too bad.
>>>
>>> too damn rude to change.
>>>
>>
>
> Totally off-topic but can you tell me some advantages of Windows Live Mail
> over windows Mail that comes with Vista? Do you have to log into Windows
> Live website to use it or is it just an improved desktop e-mail program?
Windows Live Mail is a downloadable email client like Windows Mail. I do not
think it an improvement at all and prefer Windows Mail. Windows 7, at least
as I type, will not haven an email program native to the system. Microsoft
is currently touting the Windows Live Suite which is a suite of programs
including Windows Live Mail. I personally find it buggy, resource intensive
and just don't like it.
Gregg
Laura
news:h2ra2...@news7.newsguy.com...
thanks for your feedback. Maybe I will just skip it.
Andrew DeFaria
On 27 Jun 2009 15:08:16 GMT, Han <nob...@nospam.not> wrote:
It's Andrew DeFaria. One has to adapt to his ways or ignore him.
I've had him on ignore for a long while. He may have nuggets of info, but he is way too full of himself, and that gets in the way of his attempts to share information.Check your premises. Who the fuck said I was here to share information with your silly ass? Or anybody else here anyway?
Andrew DeFaria
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Sharx35
"gregg" <tot...@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote in message
news:h2ra2...@news7.newsguy.com...
>
Well, if one is running an old computer with limited resources, yes it would
be a challenge. Time to join 2009!
Sharx35
"Laura" <inv...@sample.invalid> wrote in message
What do you plan to use instead?
Han
news:9Jj4m.33530$Db2.2016@edtnps83:
Eudora 7.1.0.9 runs on just about anything. Only drawback is that it
doesn't do other characters sets well, or at all. Fine with English,
French, Dutch etc
Laura
For now, I'll stick with windows mail. When I have some time this summer to
play I might load WLM on my xp machine to see how I like it. I can always
uninstall it if I don't like it. I recall installing it when it first came
out but it was very buggy. Sounds like that might not have changed.
Sharx35
"Laura" <inv...@sample.invalid> wrote in message
I've been on the net since 1993 but never had any problems with any of the
various MS software I used for mail, e.g. Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows
Mail or Windows Live Mail. I always kept it fully updated, though.
Sharx35
"Han" <nob...@nospam.not> wrote in message
news:00991627$0$18798$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Well, since English *is* THE language of the world, no problem, then.
Rick Hess
> Check your premises. Who the fuck said I was here to share information
with your silly ass? Or anybody else here anyway?
Hi Andrew,
I wish I could word this in a less antagonistic way, but here goes... Your
post implies that maybe you're NOT here to share information with anybody
here. That, combined with your personal retorts begs the question: Just
why do you come here at all?
--
Rick Hess
New Orleans
To email, eliminate All_Spammers
Andrew DeFaria
"Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote
Check your premises. Who the fuck said I was here to share informationwith your silly ass? Or anybody else here anyway?
Hi Andrew,
I wish I could word this in a less antagonistic way,
but here goes... Your post implies that maybe you're NOT here to share information with anybody here.
That said, let me be clear. I'm not here to be compelled to share any information with anybody, and yet I reserve the right to share any information with anybody. It's just that it's not my aim an purpose here any longer to share knowledge with others though occasionally I will at dates and times of my own choosing.
That, combined with your personal retorts begs the question: Just why do you come here at all?
Since I no longer use Quicken I cannot claim I'm really coming here for information - at least not information I will use directly anyway.
There's also the aspect of antagonizing idiots which I will let fall into the "entertainment" bucket. This is not unlike a cat playing with a ball of yarn...
Laura
news:xFo4m.19672$he4....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> "Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote
>
>> Check your premises. Who the fuck said I was here to share information
> with your silly ass? Or anybody else here anyway?
>
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I wish I could word this in a less antagonistic way, but here goes...
> Your
> post implies that maybe you're NOT here to share information with anybody
> here. That, combined with your personal retorts begs the question: Just
> why do you come here at all?
To annoy the s*it out of us. Its not just this group. He is also very
annoying over in the GnuCash user group.
Just killfile him like many people have if you plan on being a regular in
this group.
Eric J. Holtman
> "Andrew DeFaria" <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote
>
>> Check your premises. Who the fuck said I was here to share
>> information
> with your silly ass? Or anybody else here anyway?
>
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I wish I could word this in a less antagonistic way, but here goes...
> Your post implies that maybe you're NOT here to share information with
> anybody here. That, combined with your personal retorts begs the
> question: Just why do you come here at all?
>
I'm pretty sure he comes here to find friends
whenever Mommy gives him fifteen minutes of
computer time for being a good boy and taking
out the garbage.
Han
$815e...@news.qwest.net:
>
>
If you're the kitten playing with the yarn, then I'll laugh at you. If
you're the ball of yarn, then I pity you. In any case, it would have
been easier if there wasn't as much html crap in your post. If you want
more laughs, then cut out the html, please.
Btw, the respect I did have for you and your knowledge has worn off, and
turned to pity.
Sharx35
"Laura" <inv...@sample.invalid> wrote in message
Rumour has it, Laura, that Andrew achieves explosive orgasms when he
concentrates on going down on you.
Bernie Cosell
} In news:4a45978f$0$89388$815e...@news.qwest.net Andrew DeFaria
} <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote:
}
} ><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
} ><html>
} ><head>
}
} What?
We've been around on this for years: Andrew can't be convinced that it is
rude to post HTML-only rather than multipart-alternative with a plain text
section. I just delete his stuff...
/Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
ber...@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
--> Too many people, too few sheep <--
XS11E
> We've been around on this for years: Andrew can't be convinced
> that it is rude to post HTML-only rather than
> multipart-alternative with a plain text section.
That would also be rude, Usenet is plain text only, the only exceptions
being HTML groups which would have HTML in the groups title.
> I just delete his stuff...
He is one very good reason why killfiles were invented, killfiling him
would save having to delete anything.
--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://improve-usenet.org
Andrew DeFaria
Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
} In news:4a45978f$0$89388$815e...@news.qwest.net Andrew DeFaria
} <And...@DeFaria.com> wrote:
}
} ><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
} ><html>
} ><head>
}
} What?
We've been around on this for years: Andrew can't be convinced that it is rude to post HTML-only rather than multipart-alternative with a plain text section.
I just delete his stuff...
Andrew DeFaria
Bernie Cosell <ber...@fantasyfarm.com> wrote:
We've been around on this for years: Andrew can't be convinced that it is rude to post HTML-only rather than multipart-alternative with a plain text section.That would also be rude, Usenet is plain text only, the only exceptions being HTML groups which would have HTML in the groups title.
I just delete his stuff...He is one very good reason why killfiles were invented, killfiling him would save having to delete anything.
Andrew DeFaria
I love to go shopping. I love to freak out salespeople. They ask me if they can help me, and I say, "Have you got anything I'd like?" Then they ask me what size I need, and I say, "Extra medium."