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Brian Warner

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Jan 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/18/99
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So what PCI based sound card should I buy?
I want one that will run on an FIC PA2013 Overclocked bus 112 mhz.
And works with windowsNT and linux.


cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
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>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at
>
>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>
>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
>
>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>- Chris
>
>
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cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

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Arthur S. Chang

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Hi,

Im running a 233 pentium oc to 300 with a Soundblaster live value, after
installing pciirq patch from the CD PRO, i am running with no problems.
Previously, I had a MX80 and that would not run unless I disabled Write
cache pipelining, which had a performance hit. Now with the live, I have
all BIOS settings at max.

Art

Brian Warner wrote in message <36a4a...@news.iglou.com>...


>So what PCI based sound card should I buy?
>I want one that will run on an FIC PA2013 Overclocked bus 112 mhz.
>And works with windowsNT and linux.
>
>
>cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
><781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

DK

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cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
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>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at

My soundblaster live works great with my 2013 and k6-2 350. No problems with
the installation, no crashes and fantastic sound.


Kevin McFerrin

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Ditto that, except my system is actually a 333 overclocked to 350. Not
even the slightest hint of a problem...


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Tom

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My experience is the same. 1590S, Live Value, K6-2/350,128mb, Creative
encore , etc...no problems.

G. M. E.

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Same here. 503+, K6-2 300, SoundBlaster Live Value...works flawlessly,
couldn't be happier...

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Brandon Faunce

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Another success story here. My SBLive Value runs great on my 1590, and gives
great sound output!

Brandon Faunce

Norman McBride

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I have a Tyan 1590 and a SBLive. I have crackling sounds only with the
startup sound when the drive is being accessed.

I have found two ways of solving this. One, as you have found, is
unchecking the DMA box, and the other is disabling UDMA in BIOS.

I am using and IBM Deskstar 6.4 gb UDMA drive in my system.

Disabling UDMA in BIOS and leaving the DMA box checked decreases CPU
utilization at the expense of drive throughput with my setup. The
perfromance difference in real world apps is not noticable with this setup.

Unchecking the DMA box does cause a noticable drop in throughput and CPU
utilization, with or without UDMA enabled in BIOS.

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote:

> In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
> Live! Value customers would do well to check out
> my website, at
>

Hiway

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I took a return attitude with sb, when I tried installing a sblive (the big
full w/daughterboard model @ 200 bux) and when it caused crash and lockup
after lockup, I called their tech support.
Their tech spent quite a bit of time, with me on hold while he checked with
someone else, with the LD meter running. Every time I asked something he
would say "hold on while I check" I could hear talking in the background and
he would in time return with a near resemblence to an answer.
In the final he asked what chipset/mb combo I had. I replied with the
answer AMD K6-2-300, Tyan s1590, 128 megs pc100 (client's system) at which
time he announced "Oh thats the problem, you have an AMD cpu. Probably it
isn't compatible"
While I silently fumed a moment, cooling down, he informed me that he would
pass it slong to the proper department and they would see if they could come
up with an answer. He further informed me that if I wished to use the sb, I
had to remove the vioce modem (DSVD Gaming modem) and disable dos support.
Now there is a resolution for you. Wipe out a $150.00 Hayes modem's
benifits and screw all the dos based programs which have been assembled over
the last 5 years (2 years or so that really matter) at $50.00 +/- each.
Maybe alot of people are willing to drop and forget all these programs, but
in my group we are not. We still find them useful and entertaining.

So their entire response can be summed up thusly:

insult my (and my client's) computers. Tell me to sh**can our modems. Inform
us we need to toss all dos based programs that require a soundcard and cost
me a bundle in toll charges while placing me on hold to ask someone else.

I am glad you asked the question you did and made the comment you did. In
the fast pace of things of late, I was just about to give this thing another
shot. But in light of this I think I will pass.

Anyone know a good soundcard not made by creative?

Hiway


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David Gasior

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In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
says ...

>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.

Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
seem to have problems.


------------------------------------------------------------
David A Gasior h: dga...@home.com
Developer Relations, Aureal w: dga...@a3d.com
------------------------------------------------------------
Please note that this post reflects my own opinions, and not
necessarily those of my employer. If they want to share any
thoughts, they can post their own messages! :)


Caater

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Double-ditto that, except my system is celeron 300a overclocked to
504. And I have both SBLive! and SBLive! Value on my system.
Never had any installation problems or any other problems.


On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:36:24 -0500, "Kevin McFerrin"
<kmcf...@ibm.net> wrote:

> Ditto that, except my system is actually a 333 overclocked to 350. Not
>even the slightest hint of a problem...

Phantasm

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I ran into a similar problem on my old system with an ensoniq card, but it
turned out to be my vid card drivers causing it. A small edit to system.ini
and everything was fine.

You might want to take a look at the VGA Kills faq here.
http://www.zefiro.com/vgakills.txt

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
<781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at
>
>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>

>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
>

George Macdonald

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On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:37:38 GMT, dga...@nospam.home.com (David Gasior)
wrote:

>In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>says ...
>

>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>

>Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
>is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
>VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
>seem to have problems.

If card mfrs prefer to design their products (hardware and software) for
the idiosyncrasies of Intel's chipsets, rather than cater for the needs of
the general computer community, which would imply some testing with
alternative chipsets, that's their prerogative. Of course I hope they
understand that, in that case someone else is going to eat their lunch.

IOW I would have though that the popularity of a chipset would have been
sufficient economic motivation. Please tell me where I'm going wrong here.

If you're telling us that Aureal and it's OEMs have decided that VIA
chipset doesn't work right there are a bunch of people here to set you
right on that. If you're telling us that they don't think we're worth the
bother of some additional testing that is very informative - thank you for
that information.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Skid

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Jan 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/20/99
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Sorry, but that's complete BS. My Aztech PCI 338 Vortex card is and has been
working flawlessly since day one on a VIA MVP3 motherboard with a variety of
drivers from Aztech and Aureal. My son is using a Monster M80 on the same
mobo and he has no problems. If there is a problem with the SBLive (and I'm
not saying there is,) it's a problem with the SBLive, period. For the
record, I'm also using an S3 Savage AGP card, an Adaptec PCI SCSI card, a
Voodoo 2, a network card, a tape drive, a scanner, a removeable drive and an
ISA modem with no problems. Super 7 motherboards with VIA MVP3 chipsets are
popular because they do the job. I would suggest that someone who does
developer relations for Aureal should refrain from casting stones at other
hardware manufacturers unless you have specifics to back it up. In this case
the experience of your own customers seems to contradict you.

David Gasior wrote in message ...


>In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>says ...
>
>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>
>Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
>is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
>VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
>seem to have problems.
>
>

nick...@erols.com

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I have the Soundblaster Live and it works fine on my 503+. The sound
quality is outstanding and far exceeds any other sound card I ever
heard. However, I did have problems when I installed the sound card
with hangs and illegal operations. So I decided that I would change
the jumpers on the MB back to the 3 x 100 setting rather than
overclocking 3x 112. All the problems went away, including the
problem i was having with my CD-Rom (I had to run it at PIO3 and no
DMA to make it see a CD). Now, I run a lil slower, but it is such a
relief to not have any more problems or crashes.

Nick DeCarlo

Laz

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Jan 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/20/99
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I thought for a second that adding "busthrottle=1" to my system.ini file
would solve my month+ long problem with trying to get my Diamond Stealth
64 3400 card to work with SBLive board? Diamond is an S3 card but the
fix did not help. I still get skipping while playing mp3 (with HD
activity or just moving the mouse over the control spots. Thanks anyway?
I tried Creative for over 3 hours yesterday with no success!

Laz

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Jan 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/20/99
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Gee, it seems, after all, that Not everyone is happy with this damn card
/ software. I've been slaving for over a month trying to get it working
with my DFI P2xBL Rev B1 MB, and my other damn old Diamond Stealth 64
3400 Video card -- no success, obviously! Called Creative tech (only
had to wait 15 minutes - that was the good news) but was on phone with
them for well over 2 hours (lost track of time - in having to install
and uninstall hardware and software). Tech was very nice, but finally
gave up and said they'd get back to me after some testing and
Sthinking. I just got the system back on line enough to be able to get
win(blows)98 wave at start up. Of course, I still cannot play mp3 and
avi files without skipping during HD activity, nor can I load all the
Great software that came with the SBLive card. If I do, I get nothing
but hissing and speaker popping. If I uninstall the software, it must
not uninstall totally, cause the hissing and popping does not go away.
Had to totally clean - reinstall win98 to get the registry clean enough
for basic sounds!
Any suggestions for software that does a good job at editing the
Registy? God knows - I'll need it again!

Laz

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I am real haapy for all who have no problems with SBLive Card! The
reason we do not hear more from people that have hassles is... They
cannot get on line since their systems are all apart on the rug?

Hiway

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I manually edit the regestry. and cleaning out the sblive is more than I
could do. After more then an hour scouring through the regestry and deleting
as much regestry as I left behind (yeah the live doubles the size) I still
hadn't managed to clean everything out. I fear that the live installs to
more then just the regestry. There is that 5 minute pause where the system
appears to be locked (actually every sample of this time I viewed was more
like 15 minutes) where no hd hits are occouring. I reinstalled windows more
times then I care to admit trying to get the card to work. It seems the only
solution.


Laz wrote in message <36A611DF...@erols.com>...

RT

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It is not a SB LIVE problem, it is the poor use/reconigtion of IRQ'S by win95
and win98, and VIA....SB LIVE uses 2 interrupts. One for dos sound support!
weather used or not and One for the rest. With even with the latest patches
via and win98 have a hard time managing them.(add a tnt card and it gets
deeper).
*Yes I have a diamond tnt, sb live...and running 350 oc'd to 400 on 2013...but
only if it is loaded in just the right order will it run stable and right..
Randy Tucker

Kevin Boye

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>My soundblaster live works great with my 2013 and k6-2 350. No problems with
>the installation, no crashes and fantastic sound.


>
Mine worked perfectly as well. It reminded me of the Voodoo2 installation. I
plugged in the card into an avaliable PCI slot, turned on the computer, inserted
installation CD once Win95 detected my card at first attempt, installed drivers
without a flaw. Then restarted system, and a thundering sound surrounding me
was heard. AMD k6-2 300, 64mb pc-100 RAM, LIVE Value, UDMA. Works perfectly
ALSO after installing newer drivers which increased the volume a bit.


-
Kevin / Utopia Sound Division
http://utopia.a1.nl


Hiway

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well it striked me that it is the duty of the perepheral to work with both
operating system and motherboards. Not vice verse. What sound I did hear
fromt he card, were indeed good, but at what cost? Too high IMO. the card is
a resource hog and slows down everything else (load time for it's huge array
of drivers) It also pokes into areas when installing that it has no business
messing with. Thats why you can't uninstall the bloody thing.

RT wrote in message <36A61EDB...@LOCALACCESS.COM>...

RM

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I had such a hard time with my SB Live value, that I returned it (after
being unable to get through to tech support for over one week!). DO NOT BUY
SOUNDBLASTER. If you do, in spite of my warning, make sure that EVERYTHING
works (esp. the mic in). Here is a copy of a post that I posted in the
past:


"Do not, under any condition, buy soundblaster products. My mic in wouldn't
work, and I couldn't get through to tchnical support. After a week of
trying, I returned the card. I tried to post the following MANY TIMES, but
it never appeared:

'My microphone in doesn't work. I tried two different microphones with it.
The second worked for a little while. Technical help wasn't much help.
They went over settings with me. I downloaded drivers. Before I bring it
back does anybody have any suggestions regarding getting this card working
or, if I bring it back, getting a different one (between ~$100-200)? Should
I try another SB Live Value (maybe this one's defective?), SB Live or
something different. I'm not sure what to think of their Help. They seemed
to try, but when they couldn't help, shouldn't they have told me to bring it
back? Or is their policy - screw you, now that we have your money, wel'll
put up a good act, but otherwise - "we don't know you".


Robert Meadow'

RM

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Make sure everything works, esp. mic in. Though I would suggest returning
it (see my previous post)!!!


RM

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Make sure everything works, esp. mic in. Though I would suggest returning
it (see my previous post)!!!


Arthur S. Chang <#artchang@#fast.net#> wrote in message
<782kro$705$1...@news1.fast.net>...

RM

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The reason is that they haven't tried to use all of it's components. For
pure sound quality, it is good. However, if you have a defective board -
good luck. I agree with the original poster - AVOID SOUNDBLASTER!!!!

RM

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Have you tried to use all of it's components? My mic in wouldn't work and I
tried tech support for OVER ONE WEEK, with only busy signals! For pure
sound quality, it is good. However, if you have a defective board (and I
suspect, from communicating with others, there are a lot of them) - good
luck. I agree with the original poster - AVOID SOUNDBLASTER!!!! If you
decide to buy it or already have - check every nook and cranny!!! Please
get back to me if your mic in doesn't work.

Robert Meadow


RM

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nick...@erols.com

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As I have stated in previous post, my SB Live works fine...but I would
like to free up the second IRQ it takes for SB16 emulation. Is it
possible to free up the IRQ?

Nick DeCarlo

On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:22:19 -0800, RT <RTU...@LOCALACCESS.COM>
wrote:

nick...@erols.com

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The mic in works if you open the mixer, mute the mic (mixer play mode)
in then double click on any open area on the mixer and it will change
to the record mode, then click on the mic in and adjust the volume. I
originally had a prob with mic in and that was what I needed to do to
get it working.

Nick DeCarlo

Ken

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On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:26:55 -0500, Laz <dcsm...@erols.com> wrote:

A 8GB tape drive might have been the best solution here.

After consideration of all MB's I have decided that the BX Intel
chipset is at least stable.
As long as your willing to pay the Intel prices...

I have NOTHING good to say about AMD at all period.
I think they just have created too many BottleNecks in their push to
make Socket 7 a 100Mhz or faster clocking.
That's from seeing the number of AMD processors that fail VS the
number of Intel chips I see fail.
However Cyrix is probably even worse....


I have always hated the VX and TX boards for all of the problems that
they created.

I would never ever consider a VIA chipset for any system, unless it
were going to a customer as a basic system that they were unlikely to
want to upgrade in any way.

>Gee, it seems, after all, that Not everyone is happy with this damn card
>/ software. I've been slaving for over a month trying to get it working
>with my DFI P2xBL Rev B1 MB, and my other damn old Diamond Stealth 64
>3400 Video card -- no success, obviously! Called Creative tech (only
>had to wait 15 minutes - that was the good news) but was on phone with
>them for well over 2 hours (lost track of time - in having to install
>and uninstall hardware and software). Tech was very nice, but finally
>gave up and said they'd get back to me after some testing

Windows 98 is a good reason why ANY device cannot be setup right!!!!
They created a MAJOR disaster when W98 Hardware WIzards were created.
W98 also being famous for not loading when any sort of hardware
conflict exists!

I can say, I built systems using a BX PII-450 Systems with Win95
Version C OEM
with SBLIVE cards, and everything worked perfectly.
I did notice a tiny amount of overhead when booting for the SBlive
drivers, but nothing signifigant.
I did not notice sluggishness with any games, or any real noises.
Of course I got lost playing around with all of the great features
that makes the SB-Live such a great card.
The only dis-appointment was that it does not process audio from the
CD-Audio inputs.
Why? I think Creative Labs made a major mistake there.
I would love the ability to pitch shift or add echo to an Audio CD,
but alas it just does not work.
Maybe ny now they have a fix for that, but I found it was likely to be
a hardware not software issue.

I think too much of SB-Live remains that the emulation for DOS
prohibits running older DOS based games that require to be run from
DOS and not underneath windows95/98
and that alone means simply that older software will be sluggish
or not run at all.


$--->SweetpantS

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On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:41:21 -0600, "RM" <RD...@prodigy.net> burped,
and my news server smelled the following:

>I had such a hard time with my SB Live value, that I returned it (after
>being unable to get through to tech support for over one week!). DO NOT BUY
>SOUNDBLASTER. If you do, in spite of my warning, make sure that EVERYTHING
>works (esp. the mic in). Here is a copy of a post that I posted in the
>past:
>
>

I bought the "Live Value" as a low grade card (I have a Layla for
serious stuff), and I haven't had a single problem. The output levels
are a bit low, but that is my only beef. Otherwise, it is a pretty
outstanding card for the price.

My two cents (or rather, $89.00)!!!

>"Do not, under any condition, buy soundblaster products. My mic in wouldn't
>work, and I couldn't get through to tchnical support. After a week of
>trying, I returned the card. I tried to post the following MANY TIMES, but
>it never appeared:
>
>'My microphone in doesn't work. I tried two different microphones with it.
>The second worked for a little while. Technical help wasn't much help.
>They went over settings with me. I downloaded drivers. Before I bring it
>back does anybody have any suggestions regarding getting this card working
>or, if I bring it back, getting a different one (between ~$100-200)? Should
>I try another SB Live Value (maybe this one's defective?), SB Live or
>something different. I'm not sure what to think of their Help. They seemed
>to try, but when they couldn't help, shouldn't they have told me to bring it
>back? Or is their policy - screw you, now that we have your money, wel'll
>put up a good act, but otherwise - "we don't know you".
>
>
>Robert Meadow'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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In article <7858bv$6ss$1...@readme.online.no>,

I haven't had MAJOR problems with my retail SB Live! Value, but there are two
things that are annoying me:

1. The sound control from the system tray doesn't seem to be proportionally
distributed through its range. ie. I cannot hear any volume from my speakers
until I turn the volume control to 3/4 of the way up. (I have the newest
drivers like you mentioned, but they were no help.)

2. MP3's read of the hard drive seem to get periodic "skipping". (Someone
else in this thread mentioned they had a similar prob) I'm gonna try
recording a few mp3's to a cd-rw and see what happens there, as well as
listen to some wav files, and maybe even listen to a CD directly through the
CD player.

Other than those two small probs, the card sounds better than my AWE64.
And no, I haven't called Creative, from the stories told here, I'll save my
money just in case I have to buy another sound card =)

isochar

Norbert Hahn

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"Hiway" <Hi...@reinstalled.friggin.matrox.org> wrote:

>I manually edit the regestry. and cleaning out the sblive is more than I
>could do.

Ooops.

>>Any suggestions for software that does a good job at editing the
>>Registy? God knows - I'll need it again!
>
>

I did the following trick: I saved the Creative directory and the drivers
as showed by "My computer" -> "Device Manager" -> Sound card -> Properties
-> Drivers.... uninstalled the software package. After that I copied that
back. After that I did the update driver procedure in the Device Mgr. Voila.

Maybe this wouldn't work on other systems (mine is Win 98).

Hope this helps
Norbert


Kevin Boye

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glenn@nospam_crs.com.au (Glenn Dowling) wrote:
>I just read a review of the card that said that when he loaded the
>latest drivers on it boosted the volume a bit. I haven't got around
>to trying it myself (so this might be garbage), but it can't hurt
>to try!
>
Hello,

it certainly helped me. Either the first drivers I had installed had a problem
with my system, or the newer drivers increased volume by 30% or so. I was quite
pleased, and so where my speakers :)

Hiway

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Ken wrote in message <36a69d12...@news.ime.net>...

>On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:26:55 -0500, Laz <dcsm...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>A 8GB tape drive might have been the best solution here.
>
>After consideration of all MB's I have decided that the BX Intel
>chipset is at least stable.
>As long as your willing to pay the Intel prices...
>

I have nothing good to say about intel
In an effort to make computers more propriatary they change the layouts of
chip and board
They overcharge for their products until they are forced by competition to
come down to earth. Then only on the product line they have schedualed for
obsolescence.
They think they own the computer industry and get software makers and
hardware too to create specificly for them with intel required stamped on
the product even when it isn't. Many products have worked fine without any
hint of intel in the system. Though they stated plainly that intel was
required.
But you know what? I just finished reading a market share report. Both AMD
and Cyrix are on the rise. It seems others have discovered the things I
mentioned. and the things I didn't mention. Intel has lost a respectable
amount of the market share and yet the big push hasn't yet arrived. that
will happen with the K3's and the K7's.
Intel, you have been in bed with alot of the industry for a long time. But
if they want to keep a healthy bottom line, they may soon have to get out of
bed and start working for a living again. There are other processors and
systems out there now and they truely compete.
People forget how intel shipped all those flawed processors. Then decided
not to exchange 'any' unless the client could prove the need to non flawed
fpu calculation. as in science and technology. It was only with pressures of
class action threats and other industry pressure, plus the risk of losing in
the long run that they relented and decided they would replace the fpu for
anyone requesting such.

Kevin McFerrin

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RM wrote in message <7864bp$aq3i$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>I had such a hard time with my SB Live value, that I returned it (after
>being unable to get through to tech support for over one week!). DO NOT
BUY
>SOUNDBLASTER. If you do, in spite of my warning, make sure that EVERYTHING
>works (esp. the mic in). Here is a copy of a post that I posted in the
>past:

Let me introduce you to a new phrase: beating a dead horse. You seem to
be quite good at it, so I thought I'd let you know what the job description
is.

Just because you happened to get a defective unit doesn't mean that
every single other one ever shipped is also defective. These things
sometimes happen...most people learn to deal with it by replacing/exchanging
it and moving on.

Just last month I purchased a new Seagate 9.1gig 7200 RPM drive. It was
DOA. So I got an RMA and shipped it back. Simple. I don't go around
blasting Seagate for the rest of my life simply because I happened to get a
bad part one time...

Deal with it...


Tom

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Thanks, Kevin. The nine-messages in a row thing gets pretty old.

RM

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Everything was tried. I did get through to support once (and then tried for
a week with only busy signals). One mic even worked for about one hour and
then wouldn't work on SB Live Value anymore (but worked fine on my other
el-cheapo board).

RM

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Mr. Dowling,

My gripe wasn't only with a single faulty card, but with the inability to
get through to tech support (after one success) for one week! And the one
time that i did get through they were evasive and not helpful. There's more
to it than this, but I don't have the energy or desire to go into any more
detail right now.

Basically, I don't like the company. I think that they are unethical. Have
you seen how much advertising they do. If they're support wasn't THE WORST
that I have ever experienced, I could accept the ubiquitous SB ads.


Glenn Dowling

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In article <36a6d00d...@nntp.idir.net>, pa...@hotmail.com says...

>I bought the "Live Value" as a low grade card (I have a Layla for
>serious stuff), and I haven't had a single problem. The output levels
>are a bit low, but that is my only beef. Otherwise, it is a pretty
>outstanding card for the price.

I just read a review of the card that said that when he loaded the


latest drivers on it boosted the volume a bit. I haven't got around
to trying it myself (so this might be garbage), but it can't hurt
to try!

I blamed the Cambridge speakers for the low volume and thought that
I was going to have to get a hearing aid when I first heard the
system, but then I tried Unreal. Wow! Obviously the card can produce
some reasonable sound after all. Hopefully the new drivers will
even out the volume between a bit. (Oh, and when I moved the computer
from the largest room in the house to the usual spot back in the
computer room, I found the volume to be quite adequate again).

As for any suggestion that you should not buy any Soundblaster
card just because some guy couldn't get his microphone to work, I
have a tape deck with a faulty mic input, so Robert better not
buy a tape recorder either.

<GaD>


Macklin Mcleod

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I've had SoundBlaster 16 cards with that problem. OEM cards like Vibra. MY Awe64
is a OEM also but I haven't tried the mic-in yet. I figure it's probably useless
because I don't really need it or expect it to work. I just kinda figured that
losing the mic was a sign of OEM, like video manufacturers used to sell OEM
boards with shitty RAMDACs that cut out high end video users. There's shit all
over the place. When I care enough to send the very best, I pay the ridiculous
uplift and buy the retail box. If that doesn't work, I'd get pissed.

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

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Jan 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/22/99
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Not all PCI soundcards. I had a Creative Labs Ensoniq AudioPCI
that worked flawlessly in the same system, VIA chipset and all.


In article <Crap2.625$qW5...@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,


dga...@nospam.home.com (David Gasior) wrote:
> In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
> says ...
>
> >If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
> >chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
> >boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
> >it seems there are several outstanding issues that
> >Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
> >posts have not been able to resolve.
>
> Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
> is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
> VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
> seem to have problems.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> David A Gasior h: dga...@home.com
> Developer Relations, Aureal w: dga...@a3d.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Please note that this post reflects my own opinions, and not
> necessarily those of my employer. If they want to share any
> thoughts, they can post their own messages! :)
>
>

-------------------------------------------------
R. Christopher Harshman: cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

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In article <36a75...@news.highway1.com.au>,

glenn@nospam_crs.com.au (Glenn Dowling) wrote:
> As for any suggestion that you should not buy any Soundblaster
> card just because some guy couldn't get his microphone to work, I
> have a tape deck with a faulty mic input, so Robert better not
> buy a tape recorder either.

As a clarification - the problems I'm reporting are widespread,
repeatable, and have absolutely nothing to do with a microphone.
(The problems arose capturing audio from ANY source, and were
magnified greatly when using the SB Live! Line-Ins to grab
audio while using a Matrox digitizing board to grab MJPEG-
compressed video.)

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

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Jan 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/22/99
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In article <36a51037...@news.ut.ee>,
caa...@caaterdot.ee (Caater) wrote:
> Double-ditto that, except my system is celeron 300a overclocked to
> 504. And I have both SBLive! and SBLive! Value on my system.
> Never had any installation problems or any other problems.

Hmm. Which VIA chipset board is running your Celeron 300a?

Rick ( Bugg )

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HERE HERE or is it HEAR HEAR anyway i agree!!

Kevin Boye

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iso...@hotmail.com wrote:
>1. The sound control from the system tray doesn't seem to be proportionally
>distributed through its range. ie. I cannot hear any volume from my speakers
>until I turn the volume control to 3/4 of the way up. (I have the newest
>drivers like you mentioned, but they were no help.)
>
I had this as well, actually, now that you mention it, but it's not a problem
since I leave everything maxed up except for Play Control (Master volume).

>2. MP3's read of the hard drive seem to get periodic "skipping". (Someone
>else in this thread mentioned they had a similar prob) I'm gonna try
>

I frequently got sound 'pops' whenever agressively accessing my harddrive, like
buffering MP3 audio. It helped installing Bus Master drivers for VIA MVP3
system, though, and at the same time it freed up some CPU resources as well (say
50% or so :)

My trusty EWS64XL or Gus PnP are both ISA, and perform perfectly no matter what
happens (PCI graphics or PCI HD actions). I've heard rumours of the LIVE
continuesly eating CPU resources, so by enabling Bus Master support you might
'compensate' avaliable CPU resources. I don't know, this PCI soundcard business
is quite new to me. But overall I'm happy and didn't notice that much FPS
reduction using EAX in Unreal as well as Voodoo2.

Michael

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I didn't know you needed a soundcard to post to a newsgroup.......

Laz <dcsm...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:36A6127D...@erols.com...
>I am real haapy for all who have no problems with SBLive Card! The
>reason we do not hear more from people that have hassles is... They
>cannot get on line since their systems are all apart on the rug?
>

Hiway

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You need a computer right? Your computer needs to work?

Michael wrote in message <78bmom$n7n$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>...

Glen Z.

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Why blaim creative labs for their cards not running on a certain chipset. SB
live follows the PCI 2.1 and soon to be used 2.2 standard, it seems the VIA
doesnt?

In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote:
>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at
>
>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster


>
>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
>

>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>- Chris

Glen Z.

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In article <36a5dcae...@news.garden.net>, fammacd=!SPAM^noth...@garden.net (George Macdonald) wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:37:38 GMT, dga...@nospam.home.com (David Gasior)
>wrote:>>says ...

>>
>>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>>
>>Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
>>is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
>>VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
>>seem to have problems.


>
>If card mfrs prefer to design their products (hardware and software) for
>the idiosyncrasies of Intel's chipsets, rather than cater for the needs of
>the general computer community, which would imply some testing with
>alternative chipsets, that's their prerogative. Of course I hope they
>understand that, in that case someone else is going to eat their lunch.

catering to the needs of the general public is their goal an that is why they
first and foremost support intels chipset. The VIA chipset, although in some
ways better, is not nowhere near as common or popular with the mainstream
public. VIA users are like linux users, mostly for those who insist on being
different at the cost of not having nowhere near the support or compatibility
of the general public.

>
>IOW I would have though that the popularity of a chipset would have been
>sufficient economic motivation. Please tell me where I'm going wrong here.
>
>If you're telling us that Aureal and it's OEMs have decided that VIA
>chipset doesn't work right there are a bunch of people here to set you
>right on that. If you're telling us that they don't think we're worth the
>bother of some additional testing that is very informative - thank you for
>that information.
>
>Rgds, George Macdonald
>
>"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

SpOoK

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What a load of cobblers..... if you dont install the dos drivers then they
do not use an irq...

The main problem with the PCI soundcards is down to the bios and the way the
motherboard is set up.

I have had a lot of problems setting up my sblive on my supermicro P6SBU,
but once I had switched a few cards around then the problems went away. The
problem was shared resources under win98. Althought the system will allow
cards to share resources, the reality is that if you do, both will suffer a
performance hit. My system is currently configured so:-

isa 1 - pace 56k

pci 1/raid port - sblive
pci 2/ problem port - Voodoo2
pci 3 - second voodoo2
pci 4 - pci ethernet controller
agp - CL Nvidia riva TNT

onboard lvd scsi with 9.1 gb lvd ibm drive, cd-rom, zip disk

The problems I had were that whatever i put in pci 2 would automatically
have the same IRQ as my agp graphics card no matter how I set the bios, and
even if I manually allocated the settings. This was a bios shortcoming,
nothing to do with the chipset. I solved the problems by moving the cards
and using a voodoo 2 in the problem pci slot, which as we all know, does not
use any irq's. All in all the problem only took 2 hrs to solve, by a process
of logical deduction.

Dont slag a manufaturer because thay cannot try every combination of
chipset, bios and motherboard, it is totally unfeasible unless you want to
wait years for the hardware and even then new boards/bios' and chipsets will
obviously cause problems. If you want to use a SBLive with your PC, the
first thing you should make sure is to NOT install the dos drivers, they are
a pile of shite, and run dos games under win95/98. Ensure you have tried all
combinations of slots when you have problems. Make sure you have your bios
set to plug and play aware os if you have one, and ensure that you are not
sharing any resources on your pci slots with anything other than pci
steering. MSinfo32 is by far the best way of checking this, as device
manager always says no conflicts.

The sblive is by far the best soundcard available on the market, and with
the new live surround checked it even converts a3d calls to EAX. I have
installed the new desktop theatre 5.1 digital speaker system and the sound
quality has to be heard to be believed. Oh and if anyone wants to get into
an "my aureal is better than your sblive" argument, the PC sitting next to
me (my wifes) is using an aureal setup and the quality is pants by
comparison. So unless you have both available for an objective comparison
dont even bother posting a reply to me.

SpOoK


RT wrote in message <36A61EDB...@LOCALACCESS.COM>...


>It is not a SB LIVE problem, it is the poor use/reconigtion of IRQ'S by
win95
>and win98, and VIA....SB LIVE uses 2 interrupts. One for dos sound support!
>weather used or not and One for the rest. With even with the latest patches
>via and win98 have a hard time managing them.(add a tnt card and it gets
>deeper).
>*Yes I have a diamond tnt, sb live...and running 350 oc'd to 400 on
2013...but
>only if it is loaded in just the right order will it run stable and right..
>Randy Tucker
>

>David Gasior wrote:
>
>> In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>> says ...
>>
>> >If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>> >chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>> >boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>> >it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>> >Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>> >posts have not been able to resolve.
>>
>> Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know.
This
>> is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
>> VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
>> seem to have problems.
>>

SpOoK

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You can have it process the input from a CD, use the environmental audio
screen and change the source to CD-Digital, change your settings fro reverb
and chorus and bobs your aunties live in lover. However, if you are using
analogue inputs then you cant, so make sure you have a good quality cd-rom
with digital output.

Good Luck

SpOoK


Ken wrote in message <36a69d12...@news.ime.net>...
>On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:26:55 -0500, Laz <dcsm...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>A 8GB tape drive might have been the best solution here.
>
>After consideration of all MB's I have decided that the BX Intel
>chipset is at least stable.
>As long as your willing to pay the Intel prices...
>

SpOoK

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Hear Hear,

SpOoK


Kevin McFerrin wrote in message <36a7a...@news1.ibm.net>...

George Macdonald

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On Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:33:45 GMT, glen...@xmission.com (Glen Z.) wrote:

>In article <36a5dcae...@news.garden.net>, fammacd=!SPAM^noth...@garden.net (George Macdonald) wrote:
>>
>>If card mfrs prefer to design their products (hardware and software) for
>>the idiosyncrasies of Intel's chipsets, rather than cater for the needs of
>>the general computer community, which would imply some testing with
>>alternative chipsets, that's their prerogative. Of course I hope they
>>understand that, in that case someone else is going to eat their lunch.
>
>catering to the needs of the general public is their goal an that is why they
>first and foremost support intels chipset. The VIA chipset, although in some
>ways better, is not nowhere near as common or popular with the mainstream
>public. VIA users are like linux users, mostly for those who insist on being
>different at the cost of not having nowhere near the support or compatibility
>of the general public.

You are not nowhere near having any idea about chipsets and their
popularity.:-[]

Keith R. Williams

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Hmmm. George, how many AMD K6s and Cyrix MIIs were made in '98?
Since Intel got out of the socket-7 chipset business a couple of
years ago (and never made a super-7 or AGP socket-7 chipset) I
would say that the Via chipsets used by more than those "who
insist on being different". At least he would have to agree that
there are tens of millions of people who insist on "being
different". I would say that any company ignoring a few tens of
millions of potential customers would be one to steer clear of
anyway.

..unless the argument is that ALi and SiS are better than Via.
Then we can *really* start the discussion. ;-)

----
Keith R. Williams
k...@ibm.net

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

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In article <78d6uh$ont$1...@news.xmission.com>,

glen...@xmission.com (Glen Z.) wrote:
> Why blaim creative labs for their cards not running on a certain chipset. SB
> live follows the PCI 2.1 and soon to be used 2.2 standard, it seems the VIA
> doesnt?

Because this issue (within the experience of my experimentation) is with
Live! cards specifically; a Diamond MX200 and a Creative Labs Ensoniq
AudioPCI worked fine. The other cards were also PCI. This to me suggests
the problem lies not with my mainboard (which runs a slew of other cards
just fine, thank you very much) but with the Creative software or hardware.

Joe Sparks

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Hi Chris,

Perhaps Creative will release a patch for there driver problem in
the very near future. Only time will tell... :-)

Your Friends In CA!...
Joe & Dawnie
http://home1.gte.net/jasparks

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
<78ichr$vik$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

Traith

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Ensoniq AudioPCI/SB PCI64. If it weren't for your requirement for NT/Linux,
I'd use Diamond's MX300, unfortunately I haven't installed any of those with
NT or Linux yet.

As for the AudioPCIs, I've used them in both NT 4 and Linux so I know they
work, plus it was in both a MVP3 chipset [Tyan Trinity 100AT and Shuttle HOT
591P] and Alladdin V [Asus P5A] as well as the usual Intel chipsets.

Brian Warner wrote in message <36a4a...@news.iglou.com>...
>So what PCI based sound card should I buy?
>I want one that will run on an FIC PA2013 Overclocked bus 112 mhz.
>And works with windowsNT and linux.
>
>
>cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
><781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...


>>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>>my website, at
>>
>>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>>

>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>>

>>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
>>
>>Thank you for your time.
>>
>>- Chris
>>
>>

Tom Widauer

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try the SB64 PCI....really cheap and has everything u might want.

tom

Brian Warner schrieb in Nachricht <36a4a...@news.iglou.com>...

joh...@ica.net

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Where is your web site? It was blanked out on your posting.
I'm having the following problem with the SB Live:

I get the following error when booting into Windows 98 after installing your
card:

"A fatal exception 06 has occurred at 0028:C18949F6 in VXD EMU/0K1 (04)
+00002746. The current application will be terminated."

I am not using a Cyrix processor, using a Celeron 300A, with a ISA USR MODEM,
ATI PC2TV PCI card and a Voodoo 1 PCI card on a BH6 motherboard. System is
stable when I uninstall Live card and replace it with an Awe 64 ISA card.

Please call 416-465-3707 (your tech line is always busy) or fax info to
416-465-7313.

Thanks,

John

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

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Jan 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/27/99
to joh...@ica.net
The website is at http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
and it's mainly aimed at the problems experienced with the MVP3
chipset and the Live!...


In article <78ld4c$goe$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

-------------------------------------------------
R. Christopher Harshman: cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------

HART

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Too uninstall ANY HARDWARE,
(sorry if its too late for you but next time do this)

1. make a copy of your configuration. don't need fancy utilities. I
have been doing it for years and so have many ohters.
2. after you take the board out and want the regi back, just restore
your saved config.
3. I am really not trying to be funny if you already did it. I made
the mistake the first few times before I got this file made.
always save before and after all changes. use 3 or 4 floppies and
label them with date and change made each time.
Its worth it, believe me.

HOW TO BACK UP BEFORE HARDWARE INSTALL.- and restore if error.
1. goto dos. and run this bat file. It will back up your win98 stuff.
if you use nt, same thing, just zip the config dir under system32.
to restore just use the -d option and the -o option in pkzip.
actually arj is easier to restore, and i used it first, but the new
version won't let you restore from dos if you make the file in win98.
**************
i:
cd\windows
attrib -s -h -r SYSTEM.DAT
ATTRIB -S -H -R USER.DAT

REM: THIS FOLLOWING IS ALL ONE LINE

c:\bin\pkzip -a -rp i:\cfg.zip i:\windows\system.dat
i:\windows\user.dat i:\windows\system.ini i:\windows\win.ini
c:\config.sys c:\autoexec.bat

cd\
copy cfg.zip a:
*******************
good luck, Hart
and you can buy an awe cheap now. I did. very glad.

Oh and as for the via chipset, you just have to reinstall the viq13
file each time you add something. or at least if the problem comes
back. I had to do it with a scsi vid irq problem. new vid card, had to
run the viq13 agains and it was ok(the scsi had the problem).


On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:34:11 -0500, "Hiway"
<Hi...@reinstalled.friggin.matrox.org> wrote:

>well it striked me that it is the duty of the perepheral to work with both
>operating system and motherboards. Not vice verse. What sound I did hear
>fromt he card, were indeed good, but at what cost? Too high IMO. the card is
>a resource hog and slows down everything else (load time for it's huge array
>of drivers) It also pokes into areas when installing that it has no business
>messing with. Thats why you can't uninstall the bloody thing.


>
>RT wrote in message <36A61EDB...@LOCALACCESS.COM>...
>>It is not a SB LIVE problem, it is the poor use/reconigtion of IRQ'S by
>win95
>>and win98, and VIA....SB LIVE uses 2 interrupts. One for dos sound support!
>>weather used or not and One for the rest. With even with the latest patches
>>via and win98 have a hard time managing them.(add a tnt card and it gets
>>deeper).
>>*Yes I have a diamond tnt, sb live...and running 350 oc'd to 400 on
>2013...but
>>only if it is loaded in just the right order will it run stable and right..
>>Randy Tucker
>>
>>David Gasior wrote:
>>
>>> In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>>> says ...
>>>

>>> >If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>> >chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>> >boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>> >it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>> >Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>> >posts have not been able to resolve.
>>>

Digitali

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Feb 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/5/99
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I also backup my registry after occasions such as installing. I have
yet to actually need to restore. My question is thus: If you backup
your config, install something that works well, then backup and
install something that doesn't work well. How do you restore the
original backup without screwing up the second install (assuming you
want to keep it as well). In case I'm not clear this is the
procedure:

1. Backup config
2. Install apparently wanted hard(or soft)ware
3. Backup config
4. Install goodware
5. Now you want to remove the first install, how is it done while
keeping the second config.

I don't think it can be done w/o extensive hand-made mods. If it can,
I am seriously looking forward to being corrected. Thanks.

dB


On or about Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:42:01 GMT, the suspect,
ha...@myhome.com (HART), confessed to the following crimes:

Ryan Halley

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Feb 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/5/99
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Aw comeon guys...do it the easy way! Get Ghost. Run it and it will create a
file which is a complete compressed image of your partition or drive. It
takes about 20mins per gig, and compresses to about half that. Simply ghost
your system before doing anything potentially critical. If everything goes
bottom up, as long as you can get to anyold dos prompt, you can un-Ghost in
20mins from wherever you left the file. Your old partition or drive is
COMPLETELY recovered. It really is as easy as I say! I tend to make a new
ghost every month or so, and when your system starts to give the occasional
error for no reason, I just unGhost and 20 mins later I get on with my
life...


KJ

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Feb 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/7/99
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Sounds great! Where does someone get it? (freeware/shareware????)

thanks,
KJ
__________
Ryan Halley <Ry...@mordor.dsc.icl.ci.uk> wrote in message
news:01be512f$d34cefa0$ad8a...@wintermute.dsc.icl.co.uk...

Rob Nicholson

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>20 minutes!! Your doing something wrong. it takes me about 3-4 minutes to
>restore a disk.

From tape??

Rob.

Phill

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Feb 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/8/99
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KJ wrote in message ...

>Sounds great! Where does someone get it? (freeware/shareware????)
>


semantec have just brought it out, but you can still get trial versions from
their web site, try www.ghostsoft.com

--
Phill
http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk


Phill

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Feb 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/8/99
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Ryan Halley wrote in message
<01be512f$d34cefa0$ad8a...@wintermute.dsc.icl.co.uk>...

>Aw comeon guys...do it the easy way! Get Ghost. Run it and it will create a
>file which is a complete compressed image of your partition or drive. It
>takes about 20mins per gig, and compresses to about half that. Simply ghost
>your system before doing anything potentially critical. If everything goes
>bottom up, as long as you can get to anyold dos prompt, you can un-Ghost in
>20mins from wherever you left the file. Your old partition or drive is
>COMPLETELY recovered. It really is as easy as I say! I tend to make a new
>ghost every month or so, and when your system starts to give the occasional
>error for no reason, I just unGhost and 20 mins later I get on with my
>life...
>

20 minutes!! Your doing something wrong. it takes me about 3-4 minutes to
restore a disk.
And I also recommend Ghost to anyone who messes around with their computers
a lot as a back up device.
--
Phill
http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk


Phill

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Feb 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/9/99
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Rob Nicholson wrote in message <36d3012e...@news.zetnet.co.uk>...

>>20 minutes!! Your doing something wrong. it takes me about 3-4 minutes to
>>restore a disk.
>
>From tape??
>


Sorry no, I save the images on to CD.

--
Phill
http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk


Rob Nicholson

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Feb 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/9/99
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>Sorry no, I save the images on to CD.

Ah - bit a little longer to write it :-)

John Navas

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Feb 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/14/99
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[POSTED TO alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.fic]
cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote:

>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at
>
>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>

>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
>

>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.


From reading your web page, and taking the information at face value, I'd
suspect the VIA busmaster drivers, not the Sound Blaster drivers. The
reason is that you had no problem with a SCSI drive, and I assume your SCSI
host adapter is a busmaster.

--
Best regards,
John mailto:Use...@NavasGrp.Dublin.CA.US http://www.aimnet.com/~jnavas/
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope, 1688-1744]
"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain, 1835-1910]

sj...@my-dejanews.com

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Feb 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/15/99
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In article <36da16a8...@news.ncal.verio.com>,

Use...@NavasGrp.Dublin.CA.US wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.fic]
> cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote:
>
> >In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
> >Live! Value customers would do well to check out
> >my website, at
> >
> >http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
> >
> >If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
> >chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
> >boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
> >it seems there are several outstanding issues that
> >Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
> >posts have not been able to resolve.
> >
> >Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
> >both sides of the issue - working and non-working
> >VIA chipset + SB Live installations.

I have a shuttle 591p/K6-2 como and sb-live and never had a single
problem.ever. Shane *aka* Slingblade the gibber

Buckaroo

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Feb 16, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/16/99
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Use...@NavasGrp.Dublin.CA.US (John Navas) wrote:

>[POSTED TO alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.fic]
>cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote:
>
>>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>>my website, at
>>
>>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>>
>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>>
>>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
>
>

>From reading your web page, and taking the information at face value, I'd
>suspect the VIA busmaster drivers, not the Sound Blaster drivers. The
>reason is that you had no problem with a SCSI drive, and I assume your SCSI
>host adapter is a busmaster.

You may have hit something there. I have had zero problems with my
SBLive! - and my system is all SCSI based - not 1 IDE device.
Unfortunately the MX300 I had conflicted with something else entirely
and would not work reliably in this system (Via MPV3).

cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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> >From reading your web page, and taking the information at face value, I'd
> >suspect the VIA busmaster drivers, not the Sound Blaster drivers. The
> >reason is that you had no problem with a SCSI drive, and I assume your SCSI
> >host adapter is a busmaster.
>
> You may have hit something there. I have had zero problems with my
> SBLive! - and my system is all SCSI based - not 1 IDE device.
> Unfortunately the MX300 I had conflicted with something else entirely
> and would not work reliably in this system (Via MPV3).

Bah. I cured the problem once and for all. I scrapped my AMD K6-2-300
and VIA board for an i440BX board (Diamond C400) and a Celeron 300a.
Everything works so much better now. Every time I buy a non-Intel
chipset mainboard, I get burned. Seems it doesn't really matter
whose processor is installed (my most reliable machine is an AMD K5-PR133
running on an i430VX - 92 days since my last reboot - but when it was
running on a SiS board it required a reboot at least once a month).

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