cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
<781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at
>
>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>
>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
>
>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>- Chris
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------
>R. Christopher Harshman: cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>
>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
Im running a 233 pentium oc to 300 with a Soundblaster live value, after
installing pciirq patch from the CD PRO, i am running with no problems.
Previously, I had a MX80 and that would not run unless I disabled Write
cache pipelining, which had a performance hit. Now with the live, I have
all BIOS settings at max.
Art
Brian Warner wrote in message <36a4a...@news.iglou.com>...
>So what PCI based sound card should I buy?
>I want one that will run on an FIC PA2013 Overclocked bus 112 mhz.
>And works with windowsNT and linux.
>
>
>cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
><781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
My soundblaster live works great with my 2013 and k6-2 350. No problems with
the installation, no crashes and fantastic sound.
DK wrote in message <782pj5$jqc$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
--
(Nospam in effect for E-Mail replies)
Tom <tma...@erols.com> wrote in message news:36A50A...@erols.com...
Brandon Faunce
I have found two ways of solving this. One, as you have found, is
unchecking the DMA box, and the other is disabling UDMA in BIOS.
I am using and IBM Deskstar 6.4 gb UDMA drive in my system.
Disabling UDMA in BIOS and leaving the DMA box checked decreases CPU
utilization at the expense of drive throughput with my setup. The
perfromance difference in real world apps is not noticable with this setup.
Unchecking the DMA box does cause a noticable drop in throughput and CPU
utilization, with or without UDMA enabled in BIOS.
cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote:
> In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
> Live! Value customers would do well to check out
> my website, at
>
So their entire response can be summed up thusly:
insult my (and my client's) computers. Tell me to sh**can our modems. Inform
us we need to toss all dos based programs that require a soundcard and cost
me a bundle in toll charges while placing me on hold to ask someone else.
I am glad you asked the question you did and made the comment you did. In
the fast pace of things of late, I was just about to give this thing another
shot. But in light of this I think I will pass.
Anyone know a good soundcard not made by creative?
Hiway
cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
<781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
seem to have problems.
------------------------------------------------------------
David A Gasior h: dga...@home.com
Developer Relations, Aureal w: dga...@a3d.com
------------------------------------------------------------
Please note that this post reflects my own opinions, and not
necessarily those of my employer. If they want to share any
thoughts, they can post their own messages! :)
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:36:24 -0500, "Kevin McFerrin"
<kmcf...@ibm.net> wrote:
> Ditto that, except my system is actually a 333 overclocked to 350. Not
>even the slightest hint of a problem...
You might want to take a look at the VGA Kills faq here.
http://www.zefiro.com/vgakills.txt
cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
<781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at
>
>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>
>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
>
>In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>says ...
>
>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>
>Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
>is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
>VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
>seem to have problems.
If card mfrs prefer to design their products (hardware and software) for
the idiosyncrasies of Intel's chipsets, rather than cater for the needs of
the general computer community, which would imply some testing with
alternative chipsets, that's their prerogative. Of course I hope they
understand that, in that case someone else is going to eat their lunch.
IOW I would have though that the popularity of a chipset would have been
sufficient economic motivation. Please tell me where I'm going wrong here.
If you're telling us that Aureal and it's OEMs have decided that VIA
chipset doesn't work right there are a bunch of people here to set you
right on that. If you're telling us that they don't think we're worth the
bother of some additional testing that is very informative - thank you for
that information.
Rgds, George Macdonald
"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
David Gasior wrote in message ...
>In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>says ...
>
>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>
>Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
>is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
>VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
>seem to have problems.
>
>
Nick DeCarlo
Laz wrote in message <36A611DF...@erols.com>...
>
Mine worked perfectly as well. It reminded me of the Voodoo2 installation. I
plugged in the card into an avaliable PCI slot, turned on the computer, inserted
installation CD once Win95 detected my card at first attempt, installed drivers
without a flaw. Then restarted system, and a thundering sound surrounding me
was heard. AMD k6-2 300, 64mb pc-100 RAM, LIVE Value, UDMA. Works perfectly
ALSO after installing newer drivers which increased the volume a bit.
-
Kevin / Utopia Sound Division
http://utopia.a1.nl
RT wrote in message <36A61EDB...@LOCALACCESS.COM>...
"Do not, under any condition, buy soundblaster products. My mic in wouldn't
work, and I couldn't get through to tchnical support. After a week of
trying, I returned the card. I tried to post the following MANY TIMES, but
it never appeared:
'My microphone in doesn't work. I tried two different microphones with it.
The second worked for a little while. Technical help wasn't much help.
They went over settings with me. I downloaded drivers. Before I bring it
back does anybody have any suggestions regarding getting this card working
or, if I bring it back, getting a different one (between ~$100-200)? Should
I try another SB Live Value (maybe this one's defective?), SB Live or
something different. I'm not sure what to think of their Help. They seemed
to try, but when they couldn't help, shouldn't they have told me to bring it
back? Or is their policy - screw you, now that we have your money, wel'll
put up a good act, but otherwise - "we don't know you".
Robert Meadow'
Arthur S. Chang <#artchang@#fast.net#> wrote in message
<782kro$705$1...@news1.fast.net>...
Robert Meadow
Nick DeCarlo
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:22:19 -0800, RT <RTU...@LOCALACCESS.COM>
wrote:
Nick DeCarlo
A 8GB tape drive might have been the best solution here.
After consideration of all MB's I have decided that the BX Intel
chipset is at least stable.
As long as your willing to pay the Intel prices...
I have NOTHING good to say about AMD at all period.
I think they just have created too many BottleNecks in their push to
make Socket 7 a 100Mhz or faster clocking.
That's from seeing the number of AMD processors that fail VS the
number of Intel chips I see fail.
However Cyrix is probably even worse....
I have always hated the VX and TX boards for all of the problems that
they created.
I would never ever consider a VIA chipset for any system, unless it
were going to a customer as a basic system that they were unlikely to
want to upgrade in any way.
>Gee, it seems, after all, that Not everyone is happy with this damn card
>/ software. I've been slaving for over a month trying to get it working
>with my DFI P2xBL Rev B1 MB, and my other damn old Diamond Stealth 64
>3400 Video card -- no success, obviously! Called Creative tech (only
>had to wait 15 minutes - that was the good news) but was on phone with
>them for well over 2 hours (lost track of time - in having to install
>and uninstall hardware and software). Tech was very nice, but finally
>gave up and said they'd get back to me after some testing
Windows 98 is a good reason why ANY device cannot be setup right!!!!
They created a MAJOR disaster when W98 Hardware WIzards were created.
W98 also being famous for not loading when any sort of hardware
conflict exists!
I can say, I built systems using a BX PII-450 Systems with Win95
Version C OEM
with SBLIVE cards, and everything worked perfectly.
I did notice a tiny amount of overhead when booting for the SBlive
drivers, but nothing signifigant.
I did not notice sluggishness with any games, or any real noises.
Of course I got lost playing around with all of the great features
that makes the SB-Live such a great card.
The only dis-appointment was that it does not process audio from the
CD-Audio inputs.
Why? I think Creative Labs made a major mistake there.
I would love the ability to pitch shift or add echo to an Audio CD,
but alas it just does not work.
Maybe ny now they have a fix for that, but I found it was likely to be
a hardware not software issue.
I think too much of SB-Live remains that the emulation for DOS
prohibits running older DOS based games that require to be run from
DOS and not underneath windows95/98
and that alone means simply that older software will be sluggish
or not run at all.
>I had such a hard time with my SB Live value, that I returned it (after
>being unable to get through to tech support for over one week!). DO NOT BUY
>SOUNDBLASTER. If you do, in spite of my warning, make sure that EVERYTHING
>works (esp. the mic in). Here is a copy of a post that I posted in the
>past:
>
>
I bought the "Live Value" as a low grade card (I have a Layla for
serious stuff), and I haven't had a single problem. The output levels
are a bit low, but that is my only beef. Otherwise, it is a pretty
outstanding card for the price.
My two cents (or rather, $89.00)!!!
>"Do not, under any condition, buy soundblaster products. My mic in wouldn't
>work, and I couldn't get through to tchnical support. After a week of
>trying, I returned the card. I tried to post the following MANY TIMES, but
>it never appeared:
>
>'My microphone in doesn't work. I tried two different microphones with it.
>The second worked for a little while. Technical help wasn't much help.
>They went over settings with me. I downloaded drivers. Before I bring it
>back does anybody have any suggestions regarding getting this card working
>or, if I bring it back, getting a different one (between ~$100-200)? Should
>I try another SB Live Value (maybe this one's defective?), SB Live or
>something different. I'm not sure what to think of their Help. They seemed
>to try, but when they couldn't help, shouldn't they have told me to bring it
>back? Or is their policy - screw you, now that we have your money, wel'll
>put up a good act, but otherwise - "we don't know you".
>
>
>Robert Meadow'
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
_____________________
Bathin' and Canoein'....
Y'know; with the sponges and the soap!
I haven't had MAJOR problems with my retail SB Live! Value, but there are two
things that are annoying me:
1. The sound control from the system tray doesn't seem to be proportionally
distributed through its range. ie. I cannot hear any volume from my speakers
until I turn the volume control to 3/4 of the way up. (I have the newest
drivers like you mentioned, but they were no help.)
2. MP3's read of the hard drive seem to get periodic "skipping". (Someone
else in this thread mentioned they had a similar prob) I'm gonna try
recording a few mp3's to a cd-rw and see what happens there, as well as
listen to some wav files, and maybe even listen to a CD directly through the
CD player.
Other than those two small probs, the card sounds better than my AWE64.
And no, I haven't called Creative, from the stories told here, I'll save my
money just in case I have to buy another sound card =)
isochar
>I manually edit the regestry. and cleaning out the sblive is more than I
>could do.
Ooops.
>>Any suggestions for software that does a good job at editing the
>>Registy? God knows - I'll need it again!
>
>
I did the following trick: I saved the Creative directory and the drivers
as showed by "My computer" -> "Device Manager" -> Sound card -> Properties
-> Drivers.... uninstalled the software package. After that I copied that
back. After that I did the update driver procedure in the Device Mgr. Voila.
Maybe this wouldn't work on other systems (mine is Win 98).
Hope this helps
Norbert
it certainly helped me. Either the first drivers I had installed had a problem
with my system, or the newer drivers increased volume by 30% or so. I was quite
pleased, and so where my speakers :)
I have nothing good to say about intel
In an effort to make computers more propriatary they change the layouts of
chip and board
They overcharge for their products until they are forced by competition to
come down to earth. Then only on the product line they have schedualed for
obsolescence.
They think they own the computer industry and get software makers and
hardware too to create specificly for them with intel required stamped on
the product even when it isn't. Many products have worked fine without any
hint of intel in the system. Though they stated plainly that intel was
required.
But you know what? I just finished reading a market share report. Both AMD
and Cyrix are on the rise. It seems others have discovered the things I
mentioned. and the things I didn't mention. Intel has lost a respectable
amount of the market share and yet the big push hasn't yet arrived. that
will happen with the K3's and the K7's.
Intel, you have been in bed with alot of the industry for a long time. But
if they want to keep a healthy bottom line, they may soon have to get out of
bed and start working for a living again. There are other processors and
systems out there now and they truely compete.
People forget how intel shipped all those flawed processors. Then decided
not to exchange 'any' unless the client could prove the need to non flawed
fpu calculation. as in science and technology. It was only with pressures of
class action threats and other industry pressure, plus the risk of losing in
the long run that they relented and decided they would replace the fpu for
anyone requesting such.
Let me introduce you to a new phrase: beating a dead horse. You seem to
be quite good at it, so I thought I'd let you know what the job description
is.
Just because you happened to get a defective unit doesn't mean that
every single other one ever shipped is also defective. These things
sometimes happen...most people learn to deal with it by replacing/exchanging
it and moving on.
Just last month I purchased a new Seagate 9.1gig 7200 RPM drive. It was
DOA. So I got an RMA and shipped it back. Simple. I don't go around
blasting Seagate for the rest of my life simply because I happened to get a
bad part one time...
Deal with it...
My gripe wasn't only with a single faulty card, but with the inability to
get through to tech support (after one success) for one week! And the one
time that i did get through they were evasive and not helpful. There's more
to it than this, but I don't have the energy or desire to go into any more
detail right now.
Basically, I don't like the company. I think that they are unethical. Have
you seen how much advertising they do. If they're support wasn't THE WORST
that I have ever experienced, I could accept the ubiquitous SB ads.
I just read a review of the card that said that when he loaded the
latest drivers on it boosted the volume a bit. I haven't got around
to trying it myself (so this might be garbage), but it can't hurt
to try!
I blamed the Cambridge speakers for the low volume and thought that
I was going to have to get a hearing aid when I first heard the
system, but then I tried Unreal. Wow! Obviously the card can produce
some reasonable sound after all. Hopefully the new drivers will
even out the volume between a bit. (Oh, and when I moved the computer
from the largest room in the house to the usual spot back in the
computer room, I found the volume to be quite adequate again).
As for any suggestion that you should not buy any Soundblaster
card just because some guy couldn't get his microphone to work, I
have a tape deck with a faulty mic input, so Robert better not
buy a tape recorder either.
<GaD>
In article <Crap2.625$qW5...@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,
dga...@nospam.home.com (David Gasior) wrote:
> In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
> says ...
>
> >If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
> >chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
> >boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
> >it seems there are several outstanding issues that
> >Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
> >posts have not been able to resolve.
>
> Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know. This
> is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
> VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
> seem to have problems.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> David A Gasior h: dga...@home.com
> Developer Relations, Aureal w: dga...@a3d.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Please note that this post reflects my own opinions, and not
> necessarily those of my employer. If they want to share any
> thoughts, they can post their own messages! :)
>
>
-------------------------------------------------
R. Christopher Harshman: cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
As a clarification - the problems I'm reporting are widespread,
repeatable, and have absolutely nothing to do with a microphone.
(The problems arose capturing audio from ANY source, and were
magnified greatly when using the SB Live! Line-Ins to grab
audio while using a Matrox digitizing board to grab MJPEG-
compressed video.)
Hmm. Which VIA chipset board is running your Celeron 300a?
>2. MP3's read of the hard drive seem to get periodic "skipping". (Someone
>else in this thread mentioned they had a similar prob) I'm gonna try
>
I frequently got sound 'pops' whenever agressively accessing my harddrive, like
buffering MP3 audio. It helped installing Bus Master drivers for VIA MVP3
system, though, and at the same time it freed up some CPU resources as well (say
50% or so :)
My trusty EWS64XL or Gus PnP are both ISA, and perform perfectly no matter what
happens (PCI graphics or PCI HD actions). I've heard rumours of the LIVE
continuesly eating CPU resources, so by enabling Bus Master support you might
'compensate' avaliable CPU resources. I don't know, this PCI soundcard business
is quite new to me. But overall I'm happy and didn't notice that much FPS
reduction using EAX in Unreal as well as Voodoo2.
Laz <dcsm...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:36A6127D...@erols.com...
>I am real haapy for all who have no problems with SBLive Card! The
>reason we do not hear more from people that have hassles is... They
>cannot get on line since their systems are all apart on the rug?
>
Michael wrote in message <78bmom$n7n$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>...
In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote:
>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at
>
>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>
>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
>
>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>- Chris
>
>If card mfrs prefer to design their products (hardware and software) for
>the idiosyncrasies of Intel's chipsets, rather than cater for the needs of
>the general computer community, which would imply some testing with
>alternative chipsets, that's their prerogative. Of course I hope they
>understand that, in that case someone else is going to eat their lunch.
catering to the needs of the general public is their goal an that is why they
first and foremost support intels chipset. The VIA chipset, although in some
ways better, is not nowhere near as common or popular with the mainstream
public. VIA users are like linux users, mostly for those who insist on being
different at the cost of not having nowhere near the support or compatibility
of the general public.
>
>IOW I would have though that the popularity of a chipset would have been
>sufficient economic motivation. Please tell me where I'm going wrong here.
>
>If you're telling us that Aureal and it's OEMs have decided that VIA
>chipset doesn't work right there are a bunch of people here to set you
>right on that. If you're telling us that they don't think we're worth the
>bother of some additional testing that is very informative - thank you for
>that information.
>
>Rgds, George Macdonald
>
>"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
The main problem with the PCI soundcards is down to the bios and the way the
motherboard is set up.
I have had a lot of problems setting up my sblive on my supermicro P6SBU,
but once I had switched a few cards around then the problems went away. The
problem was shared resources under win98. Althought the system will allow
cards to share resources, the reality is that if you do, both will suffer a
performance hit. My system is currently configured so:-
isa 1 - pace 56k
pci 1/raid port - sblive
pci 2/ problem port - Voodoo2
pci 3 - second voodoo2
pci 4 - pci ethernet controller
agp - CL Nvidia riva TNT
onboard lvd scsi with 9.1 gb lvd ibm drive, cd-rom, zip disk
The problems I had were that whatever i put in pci 2 would automatically
have the same IRQ as my agp graphics card no matter how I set the bios, and
even if I manually allocated the settings. This was a bios shortcoming,
nothing to do with the chipset. I solved the problems by moving the cards
and using a voodoo 2 in the problem pci slot, which as we all know, does not
use any irq's. All in all the problem only took 2 hrs to solve, by a process
of logical deduction.
Dont slag a manufaturer because thay cannot try every combination of
chipset, bios and motherboard, it is totally unfeasible unless you want to
wait years for the hardware and even then new boards/bios' and chipsets will
obviously cause problems. If you want to use a SBLive with your PC, the
first thing you should make sure is to NOT install the dos drivers, they are
a pile of shite, and run dos games under win95/98. Ensure you have tried all
combinations of slots when you have problems. Make sure you have your bios
set to plug and play aware os if you have one, and ensure that you are not
sharing any resources on your pci slots with anything other than pci
steering. MSinfo32 is by far the best way of checking this, as device
manager always says no conflicts.
The sblive is by far the best soundcard available on the market, and with
the new live surround checked it even converts a3d calls to EAX. I have
installed the new desktop theatre 5.1 digital speaker system and the sound
quality has to be heard to be believed. Oh and if anyone wants to get into
an "my aureal is better than your sblive" argument, the PC sitting next to
me (my wifes) is using an aureal setup and the quality is pants by
comparison. So unless you have both available for an objective comparison
dont even bother posting a reply to me.
SpOoK
RT wrote in message <36A61EDB...@LOCALACCESS.COM>...
>It is not a SB LIVE problem, it is the poor use/reconigtion of IRQ'S by
win95
>and win98, and VIA....SB LIVE uses 2 interrupts. One for dos sound support!
>weather used or not and One for the rest. With even with the latest patches
>via and win98 have a hard time managing them.(add a tnt card and it gets
>deeper).
>*Yes I have a diamond tnt, sb live...and running 350 oc'd to 400 on
2013...but
>only if it is loaded in just the right order will it run stable and right..
>Randy Tucker
>
>David Gasior wrote:
>
>> In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>> says ...
>>
>> >If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>> >chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>> >boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>> >it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>> >Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>> >posts have not been able to resolve.
>>
>> Yes, and these problems affect all PCI sound cards as far as I know.
This
>> is not an issue with the SB Live! cards, but appears to be an isse with
>> VIA and their chipsets. Popular or not, motherboards with this chipset
>> seem to have problems.
>>
Good Luck
SpOoK
Ken wrote in message <36a69d12...@news.ime.net>...
>On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:26:55 -0500, Laz <dcsm...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>A 8GB tape drive might have been the best solution here.
>
>After consideration of all MB's I have decided that the BX Intel
>chipset is at least stable.
>As long as your willing to pay the Intel prices...
>
>In article <36a5dcae...@news.garden.net>, fammacd=!SPAM^noth...@garden.net (George Macdonald) wrote:
>>
>>If card mfrs prefer to design their products (hardware and software) for
>>the idiosyncrasies of Intel's chipsets, rather than cater for the needs of
>>the general computer community, which would imply some testing with
>>alternative chipsets, that's their prerogative. Of course I hope they
>>understand that, in that case someone else is going to eat their lunch.
>
>catering to the needs of the general public is their goal an that is why they
>first and foremost support intels chipset. The VIA chipset, although in some
>ways better, is not nowhere near as common or popular with the mainstream
>public. VIA users are like linux users, mostly for those who insist on being
>different at the cost of not having nowhere near the support or compatibility
>of the general public.
You are not nowhere near having any idea about chipsets and their
popularity.:-[]
Hmmm. George, how many AMD K6s and Cyrix MIIs were made in '98?
Since Intel got out of the socket-7 chipset business a couple of
years ago (and never made a super-7 or AGP socket-7 chipset) I
would say that the Via chipsets used by more than those "who
insist on being different". At least he would have to agree that
there are tens of millions of people who insist on "being
different". I would say that any company ignoring a few tens of
millions of potential customers would be one to steer clear of
anyway.
..unless the argument is that ALi and SiS are better than Via.
Then we can *really* start the discussion. ;-)
----
Keith R. Williams
k...@ibm.net
Because this issue (within the experience of my experimentation) is with
Live! cards specifically; a Diamond MX200 and a Creative Labs Ensoniq
AudioPCI worked fine. The other cards were also PCI. This to me suggests
the problem lies not with my mainboard (which runs a slew of other cards
just fine, thank you very much) but with the Creative software or hardware.
Perhaps Creative will release a patch for there driver problem in
the very near future. Only time will tell... :-)
Your Friends In CA!...
Joe & Dawnie
http://home1.gte.net/jasparks
cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
<78ichr$vik$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
As for the AudioPCIs, I've used them in both NT 4 and Linux so I know they
work, plus it was in both a MVP3 chipset [Tyan Trinity 100AT and Shuttle HOT
591P] and Alladdin V [Asus P5A] as well as the usual Intel chipsets.
Brian Warner wrote in message <36a4a...@news.iglou.com>...
>So what PCI based sound card should I buy?
>I want one that will run on an FIC PA2013 Overclocked bus 112 mhz.
>And works with windowsNT and linux.
>
>
>cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote in message
><781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>>my website, at
>>
>>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>>
>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>>
>>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
>>
>>Thank you for your time.
>>
>>- Chris
>>
>>
tom
Brian Warner schrieb in Nachricht <36a4a...@news.iglou.com>...
I get the following error when booting into Windows 98 after installing your
card:
"A fatal exception 06 has occurred at 0028:C18949F6 in VXD EMU/0K1 (04)
+00002746. The current application will be terminated."
I am not using a Cyrix processor, using a Celeron 300A, with a ISA USR MODEM,
ATI PC2TV PCI card and a Voodoo 1 PCI card on a BH6 motherboard. System is
stable when I uninstall Live card and replace it with an Awe 64 ISA card.
Please call 416-465-3707 (your tech line is always busy) or fax info to
416-465-7313.
Thanks,
John
In article <78ld4c$goe$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
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R. Christopher Harshman: cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
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1. make a copy of your configuration. don't need fancy utilities. I
have been doing it for years and so have many ohters.
2. after you take the board out and want the regi back, just restore
your saved config.
3. I am really not trying to be funny if you already did it. I made
the mistake the first few times before I got this file made.
always save before and after all changes. use 3 or 4 floppies and
label them with date and change made each time.
Its worth it, believe me.
HOW TO BACK UP BEFORE HARDWARE INSTALL.- and restore if error.
1. goto dos. and run this bat file. It will back up your win98 stuff.
if you use nt, same thing, just zip the config dir under system32.
to restore just use the -d option and the -o option in pkzip.
actually arj is easier to restore, and i used it first, but the new
version won't let you restore from dos if you make the file in win98.
**************
i:
cd\windows
attrib -s -h -r SYSTEM.DAT
ATTRIB -S -H -R USER.DAT
REM: THIS FOLLOWING IS ALL ONE LINE
c:\bin\pkzip -a -rp i:\cfg.zip i:\windows\system.dat
i:\windows\user.dat i:\windows\system.ini i:\windows\win.ini
c:\config.sys c:\autoexec.bat
cd\
copy cfg.zip a:
*******************
good luck, Hart
and you can buy an awe cheap now. I did. very glad.
Oh and as for the via chipset, you just have to reinstall the viq13
file each time you add something. or at least if the problem comes
back. I had to do it with a scsi vid irq problem. new vid card, had to
run the viq13 agains and it was ok(the scsi had the problem).
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:34:11 -0500, "Hiway"
<Hi...@reinstalled.friggin.matrox.org> wrote:
>well it striked me that it is the duty of the perepheral to work with both
>operating system and motherboards. Not vice verse. What sound I did hear
>fromt he card, were indeed good, but at what cost? Too high IMO. the card is
>a resource hog and slows down everything else (load time for it's huge array
>of drivers) It also pokes into areas when installing that it has no business
>messing with. Thats why you can't uninstall the bloody thing.
>
>RT wrote in message <36A61EDB...@LOCALACCESS.COM>...
>>It is not a SB LIVE problem, it is the poor use/reconigtion of IRQ'S by
>win95
>>and win98, and VIA....SB LIVE uses 2 interrupts. One for dos sound support!
>>weather used or not and One for the rest. With even with the latest patches
>>via and win98 have a hard time managing them.(add a tnt card and it gets
>>deeper).
>>*Yes I have a diamond tnt, sb live...and running 350 oc'd to 400 on
>2013...but
>>only if it is loaded in just the right order will it run stable and right..
>>Randy Tucker
>>
>>David Gasior wrote:
>>
>>> In article <781m5m$jae$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
>>> says ...
>>>
>>> >If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>> >chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>> >boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>> >it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>> >Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>> >posts have not been able to resolve.
>>>
1. Backup config
2. Install apparently wanted hard(or soft)ware
3. Backup config
4. Install goodware
5. Now you want to remove the first install, how is it done while
keeping the second config.
I don't think it can be done w/o extensive hand-made mods. If it can,
I am seriously looking forward to being corrected. Thanks.
dB
On or about Thu, 04 Feb 1999 19:42:01 GMT, the suspect,
ha...@myhome.com (HART), confessed to the following crimes:
thanks,
KJ
__________
Ryan Halley <Ry...@mordor.dsc.icl.ci.uk> wrote in message
news:01be512f$d34cefa0$ad8a...@wintermute.dsc.icl.co.uk...
From tape??
Rob.
semantec have just brought it out, but you can still get trial versions from
their web site, try www.ghostsoft.com
--
Phill
http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk
20 minutes!! Your doing something wrong. it takes me about 3-4 minutes to
restore a disk.
And I also recommend Ghost to anyone who messes around with their computers
a lot as a back up device.
--
Phill
http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk
Sorry no, I save the images on to CD.
--
Phill
http://www.warofsouls.freeserve.co.uk
Ah - bit a little longer to write it :-)
>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>my website, at
>
>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>
>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>posts have not been able to resolve.
>
>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
From reading your web page, and taking the information at face value, I'd
suspect the VIA busmaster drivers, not the Sound Blaster drivers. The
reason is that you had no problem with a SCSI drive, and I assume your SCSI
host adapter is a busmaster.
--
Best regards,
John mailto:Use...@NavasGrp.Dublin.CA.US http://www.aimnet.com/~jnavas/
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope, 1688-1744]
"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain, 1835-1910]
I have a shuttle 591p/K6-2 como and sb-live and never had a single
problem.ever. Shane *aka* Slingblade the gibber
>[POSTED TO alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.fic]
>cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu wrote:
>
>>In my opinion, potential SoundBlaster Live! and
>>Live! Value customers would do well to check out
>>my website, at
>>
>>http://paradigm.uor.edu/~harshman/soundblaster
>>
>>If you have a motherboard based on the VIA MVP3
>>chipset (a very common chipset used in Super7
>>boards running Cyrix MII and AMD K6-2 processors),
>>it seems there are several outstanding issues that
>>Creative Labs tech support and a slew of Internet
>>posts have not been able to resolve.
>>
>>Your mileage may vary, and I'd like to hear from
>>both sides of the issue - working and non-working
>>VIA chipset + SB Live installations.
>
>
>From reading your web page, and taking the information at face value, I'd
>suspect the VIA busmaster drivers, not the Sound Blaster drivers. The
>reason is that you had no problem with a SCSI drive, and I assume your SCSI
>host adapter is a busmaster.
You may have hit something there. I have had zero problems with my
SBLive! - and my system is all SCSI based - not 1 IDE device.
Unfortunately the MX300 I had conflicted with something else entirely
and would not work reliably in this system (Via MPV3).
Bah. I cured the problem once and for all. I scrapped my AMD K6-2-300
and VIA board for an i440BX board (Diamond C400) and a Celeron 300a.
Everything works so much better now. Every time I buy a non-Intel
chipset mainboard, I get burned. Seems it doesn't really matter
whose processor is installed (my most reliable machine is an AMD K5-PR133
running on an i430VX - 92 days since my last reboot - but when it was
running on a SiS board it required a reboot at least once a month).
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R. Christopher Harshman: cr...@ebhon.jnst.uor.edu
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