P2B upgrade???
Sune Borch
options do I have?
Venlig hilsen / Best regards
Sune Borch
the fly
CPU is the fastest/latest supported. If it's rev. 1.12, with BIOS 1011
or later, you can safely plug in a 100MHz Coppermine.
Hardware revision is printed in white on the board, between the ISA
slots.
sam
>I have an P2B w/PII 300 mhz, and I wish to upgrade it to a PIII. What
>options do I have?
>
>
>Venlig hilsen / Best regards
>
>Sune Borch
>
>
Here's some good background information on FC-PGA coppermines on BX boards.
lots of it geared towards overclocking at 133mhz fsb.
Note that on a P2B motherboard with revision level less than 1.12, the on
board voltage regulator can only go down to 1.8 volts. A FC-PGA coppermine
will boot and run at this voltage, but it is technically an overvoltage
condition. On the other hand, although a 500e is spec'd at 1.6volts, Intel
runs it's 1 gig coppermine (same core) at 1.7volts.
there are three generations of slot 1 to socket adapter cards:
first generation were for Celerons only.
Iwill slocket
various others
second generation support both FC-PGA and celerons.
Asus S370-133
Iwill Slocket II
Gigabyte GA6R7 Pro
MSI MS6905 Master
Soltek SL-02A++
third generation will have on card voltage regulators. slocket III
as far as I know, the third gen cards aren't available yet.
(As time goes by, it seems they may never be available.)
Iwill Slocket III
Soltek SL-02D
http://www.soltek.com.tw/English/products/02d.htm
latest is this card will not be manufactured.
http://www.ctechnet.com/hardware/asus.htm
scroll down page to 4-17-00 for Soltek story.
User Survey Chart of Asus P2B-xx motherboards with coppermine support.
http://www.ctechnet.com/hardware/asus.htm#10100
alternate URL if above changes:
http://www.ctechnet.com/hardware/asus.htm
scroll down page until you see the yellow chart.
Note: see Celeron/P2B-xx chart on same page.
Anand's page on running 133mhz on the Asus P2B motherboard.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=34
Anand's guide to overclocking the FC-PGA Coppermine
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1103
Anand's guide to overclocking the new Celerons
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1227
Tom's guide to PIII overclocking performance
http://www7.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q2/000511/index.html
Tom's comparing the BX chipset at 133mhz to the newer chipsets.
http://www7.tomshardware.com/mainboard/00q1/000308/index.html
Anand's Roundup of 440BX 133Mhz Motherboards
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1250
Tom's info on agp cards running at 89mhz with 133mhz FSB settings.
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/00q1/000321/index.html
An interesting performance comparison chart from Tom's 150mhz Project Part2
http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/00q2/000503/155mhzbus-05.html
info on FC-PGA to Slot One converter cards, three reviewed.
http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/slocketii/
Anand's review of the IWILL Slocket II converter card.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1140
Review of Asus S370-133 Slocket card
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=175
SharkyExtreme review of the 500e/550e coppermines
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/reviews/cpu/intel_flipchip/
article on FC-PGA Coppermine 500e
http://www.ixbt-labs.com/cpu/intel-fcpga.html
Anand's review of PC133 ram
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1213
special concerns with micron memory at 133mhz ??
http://www.cluboverclocker.com/reviews/memory/micron/mt_pc133/micron_pc133_test2.htm
some nice pix of an overclocked BX chipset cooler and various tips.
http://bxboards.com/pc133/p133-8.shtml
Case Cooling Fun (great stuff and pix)
http://www.pyramid19.com/vh/index.htm
Preview of Agilent ArtiCooler heatsink/fan for FC-PGA
http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cooling/arctic_ca/index.html
TML828
So my P2B rev 1.02(latest bios) cannot oc to 800mhz with a Cel533A?
(Pc100 ram)
Thanks,
Mike
"the fly" <tse...@planetkc.com> wrote in message
news:394ACA46...@planetkc.com...
> If your board is hardware revision 1.10 or earlier, the PIII-600 Katmai
> CPU is the fastest/latest supported. If it's rev. 1.12, with BIOS 1011
> or later, you can safely plug in a 100MHz Coppermine.
> Hardware revision is printed in white on the board, between the ISA
> slots.
>
>
>
>
>
jeremy806
P2B Rev. 1.02 (1012 BIOS)
128M PC100 RAM
CeleronII 533A@800 (1.8 V using an Iwill SlocketII)
I bought my 533A and slocketII at www.atacom.com (about 200. after
shipping)
Also, I paid extra for a pretested CPU just to be safe.
Lastly, I am using an Alpha heatsink (the big one with the high performance
fan).
Rock solid in w2k for around a month now.
Good luck, the P2B is a nice motherboard,
Jeremy
"TML828" <T.M.L...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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sam
>I have an P2B w/PII 300 mhz, and I wish to upgrade it to a PIII. What
>options do I have?
>
>
>Venlig hilsen / Best regards
>
>Sune Borch
>
>
Here's some good background information on FC-PGA coppermines on BX boards.
Dave S
to owners of P2B family motherboards.
I have built 5 PC's with P2B family boards (one P2B-DS, three P2B-LS,
and one P2B, most currently have PIII 450). I was investigating upgrade
options recently so I spent hours reading this newsgroup. Your post was
especially helpful.
Being an EE, I decided to determine why some P2B motherboards cannot
generate Vcore below 1.8V. After I opened a few cases, it was easy to
figure out (this next bit is technical, so hang in there):
-----------------------------------------------------------
The voltage regulator IC is next to the CPU socket (on a P2B-LS, it is
located between the PS2 connectors and the CPU socket). It is a
Harris/Intersil part: HIP6004. Now, the HIP6004 is available in a few
different versions. My older P2B-XX motherboards have a HIP6004ACB
whereas the newer P2B-XX boards have a HIP6004BCB.
The HIP6004ACB supports VID selections of Vcore ranging from 3.50V to
1.80V. Set the VID pins to a setting not supported by the IC, and it
will output 0.0V. No Vcore - no boot.
The HIP6004BCB supports VID selections of Vcore ranging from 3.50V to
1.30V.
See the comparison of HIP6004 family IC's:
http://www.intersil.com/Data/TB/TB3/TB356/tb356.pdf
-----------------------------------------------------------
So, anyone not sure if their P2B family motherboard supports voltages
below 1.80V? Look for the HIP6004 chip. It is next to the CPU socket. If
it is an 'HIP6004BCB', your board can support core voltages down to
1.30V.
Warning: Do not, under any circumstances, try to replace that IC! You
will probably screw it up, unless you have professional surface mount
rework equipment and experience. One bad solder joint and poof -
barbeque CPU or worse.
Dave
Tracy & Cara
Does this chip also regulate voltage?
"Dave S" <el...@badaddr.com> wrote in message
news:396E6AEA...@badaddr.com...
Dave S
family as the HIP6004, but provides three additional output voltages
(could be used for CPU I/O, clock chip, or other things). But disregard
that - we only are interested in what core voltages are available.
And like the HIP6004, there is one version of the '6019 that has Vcore
range of 1.80V to 3.50V, and another version with a 1.30V to 3.50V
range. I'll summarize:
IC Vcore range
HIP6004ACB 1.80V to 3.50V
HIP6004BCB 1.30V to 3.50V
HIP6019CB 1.80V to 3.50V
HIP6019BCB 1.30V to 3.50V
(You must have the '6019CB - there is no '6019CD listed on intersil's
site)
Dave
s...@west.com
>Good stuff Sam, thanks. I have some additional info that might be of use
>to owners of P2B family motherboards.
>...
>So, anyone not sure if their P2B family motherboard supports voltages
>below 1.80V? Look for the HIP6004 chip. It is next to the CPU socket. If
>it is an 'HIP6004BCB', your board can support core voltages down to
>1.30V.
>...
>Dave
hi dave, thanks for the info. generally, all you need to do if you're
unsure if your motherboard will run less than 1.8 volts is set your slocket
card for 1.65 volts and try to boot your coppermine cpu. If the motherboard
can do it, the system will boot. if not, nothing will happen. then just
boost your slocket card jumpers to 1.8 volts. Some P2B boards less than rev
1.12 can do the lower voltages since they have the better regulator chip.
Having watched this newsgroup for the last six months, it seems the 1.8
volts doesn't hurt the coppermines any and appears to help with
overclocking. the 0.15 volts over the intel marketing 1.65 volts doesn't
seem to be a problem for anyone yet.
Tracy & Cara
Guess I'll need a new board.
Martian Welk
who happens to know thier head from thier buttox
can i ask a related question ?
will a voltage adjustable slocket
adjust the voltage to the vcore
to a proper voltage
and which slocket would you recommend
Thanking Dave S for actually usefull information
instead of useless speculations
"Dave S" <el...@badaddr.com> wrote in message
news:396EB550...@badaddr.com...
Brad
Thanks for all of your help. I have a P2B-F board. It has a HIP
6019BCB
chip on it. I went to the Intersil website and was confused about the vcore
voltage. You have cleared it up for me. I will soon be running a new PIII.
You have and are doing a great job for us pseudo-techs out here. Thanks for
your help. The Asus website was of little use to me. I found out more
information by reading your two replies than three months of looking at
Asus.
Thanks again.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Dave S
posts. A few have replied to my posts with more questions.
Just because your motherboard cannot generate voltages below 1.80V does
not mean you can't use a Coppermine. Read through this newsgroup and you
will find dozens of posts where people are using a Coppermine on a
slocket set to 1.80V, and having great success. I won't endorse any
particular slocket - however, I will be getting the ASUS S370-133 when I
upgrade. I've never had any problems with ASUS products.
But I would not wait for the third generation slockets (ones that have
their own Vcore regulator). A waste of money in my opinion. Why bother
with a more complex and expensive slocket when 1.80V is reported to work
wonderfully? And I have yet to read a post saying: 'I fried my
Coppermine by running it at 1.80V'.
The Vcore range is a limitation if you attempt to install a Slot-1
Coppermine. There's no way to force 1.80V Vcore if the Slot-1 processor
is requesting 1.65V (actually there is, but it would require motherboard
cuts and jumpers, something even I would not do).
Here's my summary of all the posts about upgrading CPU's on (single cpu)
P2B-XX boards:
Get a slocket. Get a 100Mhz FSB FC-PGA Coppermine. Make sure you have
the latest BIOS - upgrade if necessary. If your motherboard supports
Vcore below 1.80V, set the slocket to the 'correct' voltage. If not, set
the slocket jumpers for 1.80V Vcore. Install. Enjoy.
I am no PC hardware guru. I just read alot, and know how to find and
read datasheets for IC's.
Dave
Tim Ottley
> I just checked the intersil site for you. The HIP6019 is in the same
> family as the HIP6004, but provides three additional output voltages
> (could be used for CPU I/O, clock chip, or other things). But disregard
> that - we only are interested in what core voltages are available.
>
> And like the HIP6004, there is one version of the '6019 that has Vcore
> range of 1.80V to 3.50V, and another version with a 1.30V to 3.50V
> range. I'll summarize:
>
> IC Vcore range
> HIP6004ACB 1.80V to 3.50V
> HIP6004BCB 1.30V to 3.50V
> HIP6019CB 1.80V to 3.50V
> HIP6019BCB 1.30V to 3.50V
>
> (You must have the '6019CB - there is no '6019CD listed on intersil's
> site)
>
> Dave
Having seen your post I just had to put my 2 pennys in!
I have a P2B rev 1.02 that had the HIP6019CB chip. As I wanted to run Coppermine
CPUs on it I managed to get 2 samples of the HIP6019BCB from Intersil. (They had
to
be sent specially from Malasia as ther were none in Europe or the USA!)
As I have had a lot of experience of surface mount rework, I replaced the old chip
with
one of the samples, and it came up ok at the higher Vcore voltages but would not
go down
to 1.65V for my Celeron2 533A. With some further checking I found that I could
now get
to 1.7V but no lower.
Checking on the motherboard itself showed that the Vid[3] signal had been wired to
ground
at the HIP6019BCB. So I just lifted that pin and directly wired it to the
relevant pin on the
CPU slot, and bingo! I had the full range (at least up to 2.05V, as Vid[4] is
also wired to ground)
I then found that to get my Celeron2 533A to overclock reliably to 824Mhz and
beyond required
at least 1.8V for the Vcore! So all that rework effort was wasted! Still,
Tinkering is half the fun!
You are also correct about 1.8V not being a problem for Coppermines. Mine is as
solid as a rock
at 824Mhz and does not even get particularly warm. Your milage may vary.
Also glad to see someone else who looks up the datasheets on the chips in their
hardware.
--
Regards,
Tim "Tinker" Ottley
Silicon Design Engineer.
Joe
Just want to add my 2c
I think most people (I myself am one) are worried about would 1.8v going to
damage their brand new Coppermines... The bottom line is (imho) 1.8v will with
on doubt shorten the life of the CPU but by how much? Say it halfs the normal
life of 10-15 years that means one's new CPU would only last 5 to 7 years....
big deal! When was the last time an overclocker upgraded his/her CPU! Think
about it and in most case running 1.8v is better than buying a new m/b just
for the sake of running the new Coppermine.
Joe
In article <39730B43...@pixelfusion.co.uk>, Tim Ottley
<ti...@pixelfusion.co.uk> wrote:
>Dave S wrote:
>
>> I just checked the intersil site for you. The HIP6019 is in the same
>> family as the HIP6004, but provides three additional output voltages
>> (could be used for CPU I/O, clock chip, or other things). But disregard
>> that - we only are interested in what core voltages are available.
>>
>> And like the HIP6004, there is one version of the '6019 that has Vcore
>> range of 1.80V to 3.50V, and another version with a 1.30V to 3.50V
>> range. I'll summarize:
>>
>> IC Vcore range
>> HIP6004ACB 1.80V to 3.50V
>> HIP6004BCB 1.30V to 3.50V
>> HIP6019CB 1.80V to 3.50V
>> HIP6019BCB 1.30V to 3.50V
>>
>> (You must have the '6019CB - there is no '6019CD listed on intersil's
>> site)
>>
>> Dave
>
s...@west.com
wrote:
>Dave S wrote:
>
>> I just checked the intersil site for you. The HIP6019 is in the same
>> family as the HIP6004, but provides three additional output voltages
>> (could be used for CPU I/O, clock chip, or other things). But disregard
>> that - we only are interested in what core voltages are available.
>>
>> And like the HIP6004, there is one version of the '6019 that has Vcore
>> range of 1.80V to 3.50V, and another version with a 1.30V to 3.50V
>> range. I'll summarize:
>>
>> IC Vcore range
>> HIP6004ACB 1.80V to 3.50V
>> HIP6004BCB 1.30V to 3.50V
>> HIP6019CB 1.80V to 3.50V
>> HIP6019BCB 1.30V to 3.50V
>>
>> (You must have the '6019CB - there is no '6019CD listed on intersil's
>> site)
>>
>> Dave
>
just wanted to say thanks for the info. was wondering if that would work.
i think what you discovered about the 1.8 volts is one reason we aren't
seeing the slocket cards with the independent voltage regulators on board.
just think, Intel might have gotten away with one if there weren't so many
P2B and similar boards that serendipitously stopped at 1.8 volts.
Carlo
this, so these boards really help me out. My question is (and I
hope it has not been answered already without me noticing it):
Having a P2B rev. 1.10 but with the better HIP6019BCB voltage
chip, wouldn't it be possible for me to just use a Coppermine
slot 1? I ask this because maybe it would be easier for me to
install that than to use a slotket.
Second question, if I do use a slotket (it would be the Asus
S370) will that be difficult to install? I read somewhere that
the fan that is on the Coppermine chip might give troubles.
Finally, how important is it to use 133mhz ram, would that be
necessary to overclock, say, a Coppermine 700?
thanks everyone.
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