P4P800 problem with USB 2.0 ?
Pepito
ASUS P4P800 Deluxe motherboard in USB 2.0 mode.
The enclosure is recognised as a USB Mass Storage Device on bootup and can be
written and read from as a USB 1.0 device ok (but slow of course).
But when ports are configured for USB 2.0 then on plugging in the enclosure
(front or rear ports) the message "USB Device Not Recognized" pops up bottom
right of XP and "Unknown Device" later shows up in XP's Device Manager.
The USB 2.5" HDD enclosure is a (UHH-AL2) and uses an ALI (M5621 A1) chipset if
that is any help to anybody.
Motherboard is running latest BIOS (1014) and XP has SP1 and all patches etc
installed.
The same enclosure has been tried on a friends computer with the same ASUS
motherboard and operating system but the same problem happens to him.
Anyone know what might be going wrong?
I've emailed ASUS but no response as yet.
Summary Info:
Motherboard is: P4P800 Deluxe
USB 2.5" HDD enclosure is (UHH-AL2) as at:
http://www.ecs.com.tw/products/peripherals.htm?submenu_id=17&function_id=14
Operating System: Windows XP with SP1 installed.
thanks in advance
Tony
Sharky
I also had problem with a drive without powersupply.
It seems the P4P800 ( by me deluxe ) has not enough power on his USB ports.
Now i have the drive on a powered USB-hub and it runs fine
<Pepito pepito@NOSPAM_foobox.net> wrote in message
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JTS
one without power supply came with a dual USB hookup that gives it all the
power it needs. I also use the dual USB plug on the one that came with the
power supply (without the power supply) and it works also. You might try
one of these connectors.
"Sharky" <martinz(nospam)@planet.nl> wrote in message
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Pepito
The UHH-AL2 doesnt have its own power supply but it can take power from a PS2
port which I've done so that cant be the problem.
I can hear drive spin up fine, but just comes up "Device Unknown" to XP.
This is really beginning to frustrate me.
Ken Fox
> Thanks guys.
>
> The UHH-AL2 doesnt have its own power supply but it can take power from a
PS2
> port which I've done so that cant be the problem.
>
> I can hear drive spin up fine, but just comes up "Device Unknown" to XP.
>
> This is really beginning to frustrate me.
I've had somewhat similar problems with Windows 2000 which is of course very
similar to XP. I had repeated aggravations with USB devices on this board.
Sometimes they would be recognized and sometimes they would not be
recognized. Once Windows 2000 (and presumably XP also) starts getting
confused about USB devices, it only gets worse and will finally terminate in
your not being able to reliably have ANY USB device recognized.
The problem apparently has little to do with the Asus board and everything
to do with the operating system. In my case, I had the 6 native USB 2.0
ports that are on the board, 2 more on the front of my case from wires that
plug into the mobo, and I also had a 1 or 2 year old add in 4 port USB 2.0
PCI card in the box. Because I couldn't come up with anything else, even
after posting on the Windows 2000 ng (which really sucks from what I've
seen, you will never get a useful answer there, at least I never have), so
this is what I did:
I removed the extra, add in USB 2.0 PCI card. I unplugged all my USB
devices. I rebooted, then went into device manager (Control
Panel->System->Advanced->Device Manager ) and then I deleted all the USB
controllers and hubs and everything else under Universal Serial Device.
Then, I reloaded the Intel Chipset driver installation program, which you
can either get an older version off your P4P800 Deluxe CD ROM, or a newer
version off the Intel website. I think you have to reboot at this point.
Don't let W2K or XP reload the USB devices at this point if you can avoid
it. Then I reloaded the latest Service Pack for W2K which is SP4 (don't
know which one is latest for XP but use it as they are all cumulative and
USB drivers have changed in the last few months). Then rebooted. Windows
will then find your controllers and hubs. Start plugging back in devices
one by one.
This solved the problem for me, completely. And I'd had various degrees of
this USB device recognition problem for the last 6 or 8 weeks. I even put
another, a different, 2 port USB PCI card in the box and so far so good with
everything.
I think this is just a different version of the same problem I was having
and if you do these steps most probably you can resolve the problems.
Good luck.
ken
Pepito
Out of interest, do you remember if it was just USB 2.0 that didn't get
recognized by Win2k?
ie. USB 1.1 worked fine. (as it does for me).
cheers
Tony
Ken Fox
> Thanks for that Ken, yes I'll try that.
>
> Out of interest, do you remember if it was just USB 2.0 that didn't get
> recognized by Win2k?
>
> ie. USB 1.1 worked fine. (as it does for me).
>
> cheers
> Tony
Hi Tony,
The first symptoms of my USB problem with W2K were very vague; my external
hub in a monitored was not recognized, was an "unknown" device. Then it
started acting like I'd removed USB devices "unsafely" when I had not, which
was simply that my CF reader was not being recognized as a "removable disk"
even though the drivers are set up that way. It kept getting worse and
worse, finally climaxing with not recognizing external USB 2.0 hard disks or
really anything else I would plug in.
I don't specifically recall that it would not recognize 2.0 but would
recognize 1.1 devices, but I think these are all symptoms of the same
thing -- confusion over drivers due to device driver conflicts, most likely
from several versions of USB drivers having been loaded by various patches
and new devices you've added to your system and also service packs.
By the way, when I said to "delete" all the USB devices in Device manager, I
meant to "uninstall them," not disable them. You want the devices to
disappear completely from device manager. In the end you should not even
have a listing entitled "USB" or Universal Serial Bus.
It is a good idea, of course, to have a ghosted image of your system drive
before you do stuff like this, just in case it blows up in your face, so you
can get back to where you were.
Good luck.
ken
Sharky
The powered USB hub solve the problems.
<Pepito pepito@NOSPAM_foobox.net> wrote in message
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Paul
And they seem to work a OK.
I have a 7-1 USB2 internal card reader, (which
has 2 cables, and connects to a mobo header),
a USB digital cam, a USB optical mouse, and a
USB HP Photo printer connected to 3 of the USB
ports on the back of the case. All are going.
The printer is the only thing, thats USB 2
and seems to work OK.
And no hub at all on this.
You did enable USB in the BIOS didnt you?
Change USB controller to enabled?
USB controller Mode (Hi Speed, or Full Speed)
(I have this on Full Speed).
Also on the non-deluxe, there's an option
called USB Function (You have the option
Disabled | 2 USB | 4 USB | 6 USB | 8 USB
Is this 8 on yours (Or how many ports are on the
Deluxe version)?
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Paul
its on High Speed (480 mbps), not
Full (12mbps)
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Pepito
And still no reply from ASUS :-( :-(
Ken Fox
> Tried this but didnt work :-(
>
XP and W2K, and I have no experience with XP.
Thanks for the update and I do hope that you find a solution. If you do,
please let us know what it is in a followup post!
ken
Pepito
And still no reply from ASUS :-( :-(
Pepito
Even though I predicted all the questions they would be asking me (eg. make sure
you are running SP2, use the rear USB ports etc) and presented them with all
that information with my initial enquiry, they are still asking me these
questions ... in individual messages ... about 2-3 weeks in between responses.
:-(
Pepito
drive case and if so which are you running?
Seems they're not all created equal and the "Buddie" (UHH-AL2) with ALI (M5621
A1) chipset wont work at USB 2.0 with the board (USB 1.1 works ok but too slow
of course).
thanks
tony
ps. Hi Peter :-)
Maximus
smoothly.
I have 2 different external USB 2.0 cases for 2.5" disk, one of the probably
2nd
generation, which works only with some old USB 2.0 cards, and sometimes does
not work with the usb slots from the motherboard - also P4P800 DLX.
The newer one is better. It works with both usb slots from motherboard and
from
USB 2.0 card. But there is a risk when buying these since there is no way to
test it,
except having it plugged in the PC.
You may have to suffer some risk if the device is fried. I had that bitter
experience
once, but I was lucky that the 2.5" disk was not damaged.
Max
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<Pepito pepito@NOSPAM_foobox.net> wrote in message
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ρνρjΰ€tκη
wrote:
mine works with P4P800D and it is a "CrossFire" from smartdisk...but
it may be a 3.5...
the only problem I had was with a USB 1.1 device that dragged the USB
speed down to USB 1.x.
when I disconnected it, all devices worked at thier specified
speeds...
FYI
ρνρjΰ€tκη
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Pepito
Even though I predicted all the questions they would be asking me (eg. make sure
you are running SP2, use the rear USB ports etc) and presented them with all
that information with my initial enquiry, they are still asking me these
questions ... in individual messages ... about 2-3 weeks in between responses.
:-(
Pepito
Even though I predicted all the questions they would be asking me (eg. make sure
you are running SP2, use the rear USB ports etc) and presented them with all
that information with my initial enquiry, they are still asking me these
questions ... in individual messages ... about 2-3 weeks in between responses.
:-(
maximus
from Asus website.
In Win2K, you go to the Control Panel -- ... -- Hardware Device manger,
and direct the update driver to the directory of USB 2.0 driver.
You may, or may not, need to restart.
I have both P4C800E-D and P4P800 DLX, they need to install driver with
Win2K. But I do not remember if I did with WinXP - SP1 or not.
Maximus
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<Pepito pepito@NOSPAM_foobox.net> wrote in message
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Kevin Miller
wrote:
>You need to install the driver, in the accompanied CD or download the driver
>from Asus website.
>
>In Win2K, you go to the Control Panel -- ... -- Hardware Device manger,
>and direct the update driver to the directory of USB 2.0 driver.
>
>You may, or may not, need to restart.
>
>I have both P4C800E-D and P4P800 DLX, they need to install driver with
>Win2K. But I do not remember if I did with WinXP - SP1 or not.
>
>Maximus
I've tried all those things as well, and I'm having the same problem
that Pepito is having. No matter what I do, I'm only getting USB 1.1
functionality out of my P4P800 Deluxe's USB ports. I've read a lot of
posts about the P4P800 having USB 2.0 issues. I'm ready to try another
motherboard, but I'm leery of Asus because of this issue...:(
Kevin Miller
"Either way, it is bad for Zathras."
Jay Reinhart
Quality is not Job #1 obviously.
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Kevin Miller
wrote:
>I also have the same problem.
>
>Quality is not Job #1 obviously.
Well, that reassures me, I suppose, since I just ordered an Abit board
from Newegg two minutes ago...
The P4P800 was a great board, except for the USB 2.0 issue...:(
Paul
<cro...@halo.net> wrote:
Do you see something like this in Device Manager? The
word Enhanced means USB2 is installed.
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D2
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D4
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24D7
Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller - 24DE
Intel(R) 82801EB USB2 Enhanced Universal Host Controller - 24DD
If the USB device tree is corrupted, deleting all the USB stuff
and letting Windows rediscover it, helps a lot of people.
It could also be there is something wrong with the Southbridge
USB hardware. But I wouldn't be betting on that.
Maybe you should tell us all the things you've tried, or if
you don't feel like doing that, try usbman.
http://usbman.com/USB%202%20News.htm
In Pepito's case, the "unknown device" means that the OS wasn't
able to match a device driver to the enumeration data from the
device. Normally, Windows should recognize the device when it
declares itself as a USB Mass Storage device and use the standard
Windows driver for that. Strange devices, like USB scanners, typically
need to have a driver installed from the CD that comes with the
scanner, in order for Windows to match the device info to Windows
collection of standard and custom drivers. I originally thought
an "unknown device" was just a communications problem, but it looks
like it is a driver matching problem instead.
HTH,
Paul
Paul
<rein...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I also have the same problem.
>
> Quality is not Job #1 obviously.
Please give as many details as you can.
A search on Abxzone doesn't show any real USB problems. What
they do have ongoing right now, is the "video artifact"
problem on P4P800, which occurs at high overclock in 1:1
FSB:MEM ratio mode. Also, there are a few people struggling
with random reboots, which could be caused by a batch of
bad Intel processors. It is hard to tell whether there is a
common thread to those problems - no one has investigated
voltage stability for onboard supplies, so it is hard to say
whether the random reboots are "big chip" issues or voltage
regulator type issues.
When I searched on P4P800 and USB, I didn't find any unique
threads on the problem. You guys could have bad silicon, for
example, as there are the odd problem on Abxzone that
responded to an RMA. (I remember one - a RAID controller problem
where the author couldn't get the RAID bios to show up. The
RAID bios only loads if two drives are found, and when the board
was RMA'd, the RAID bios showed up on the new board, implying
a bad RAID hardware interface.)
There are several threads that will always show up on the search
engine, and they have thousands of posts in a thread. I'm not
about to scan any of those right now.
As for the quality comment, Asus can do stuff like boundary scan
on the big chips, but total device functionality is the
responsibility of the manufacturer of the chip. Only "at speed"
testing on a big chip tester works to keep the quality of the
chips at six sigma. No board manufacturer has the equipment to
do incoming inspection as thorough as the equipment at the
chip fab. For your USB problem, this would be the Southbridge
made by Intel. Board manufacturers don't typically spend hours
doing ad hoc testing and rely on structural testing. To manufacture
two million motherboards a month, imagine how short the test time
has to be for each one. And no, they don't sit around booting up
motherboards :-)
Paul
Paul
no prob at all. I use an HP USB 2 photosmart
printer.
If you use XP, yup you need to install SP1.
The USB 2 drivers, off the CD wont install.
In device manager, you'll see USB controllers, or Universal Serial Bus
controllers which may have ? or drivers will not be installed for it. Before
you install SP1.
After you install SP1, delete this USB controller entry and reboot.
Voila you have USB 2, and all the USB 2 drivers
will install, for XP.
"Kevin Miller" <cro...@halo.net> wrote in message
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Kevin Miller
>I use the non-deluxe P4P800. USB 2 works
>no prob at all. I use an HP USB 2 photosmart
>printer.
>
>If you use XP, yup you need to install SP1.
>The USB 2 drivers, off the CD wont install.
>
>In device manager, you'll see USB controllers, or Universal Serial Bus
>controllers which may have ? or drivers will not be installed for it. Before
>you install SP1.
>
>After you install SP1, delete this USB controller entry and reboot.
>
>Voila you have USB 2, and all the USB 2 drivers
>will install, for XP.
I appreciate all the answers and advice! I've come to the conclusion
that my board and USB 2.0 ports are fine, and that the problem is
probably in my capture hardware or TV capture software.