PIII Board?
rlmacdo...@comcast.net
board for a PIII 850? I need to upgrade my 85 yr. old mothers computer. I
have a used slot 1 processor and figured I could pick up something on EBay
cheap to get her up and running again as her current computer died. She
doesn't need much as she only uses the computer for email, web surfing and
an occasional game.
If possible I'd like to find something with on-board video and sound but
it's not mandatory.
Thanks,
Rick
Mitch Crane
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It doesn't have onboard video and audio, but I'd recommend the p3b-f. You
should be able to find one on ebay. I'm not familiar with any slot 1
boards with onboard sound and video, though I'm sure there are some.
I was recently given a Biostar M6VLR which is a P3 board with video and
audio, but it's socket 370. You may be able to find one with a CPU or you
can probably buy a P3 in the 1GHz range for less that $20 shipped on ebay
(I recently did).
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nob...@nospam.com
Just go over to newegg and search for socket 370 motherboards.
There's a couple of modern ones DFI makes with on board graphics or
AGP. They're real cheap and have a warranty and return policy. They
have ATA100 controllers for your drives too. ATA33 boards don't
really cut it these days.
Barry Watzman
People think it's ok to give elderly people who don't do much (web &
E-Mail) an "old" computer because they don't do much and are computer
illiterate. Well, all that does is frustrate them, as it would
frustrate us. Slow is slow. This makes no sense when you can buy an
inexpensive motherboard and CPU for under $100, sometimes under $50.
Get a modern, low end motherboard with everything integrated (sound,
video, etc all on the motherboard), and some Pentium 4 or Celeron at
2GHz or higher. It won't cost any more, and mother might actually enjoy
using the computer. You can get the motherboard and CPU both for well
under $100, sometimes for as little as $50.
nob...@nospam.com
oh, sorry. slot one cpu's are a royal screwup. But hey, you can
pick up a tualatin 1.3Ghz cpu for about $20 or so.
Your mother would appreciate it.
Paul
> Recommendation: Don't use a Pentium III.
>
> People think it's ok to give elderly people who don't do much (web &
> E-Mail) an "old" computer because they don't do much and are computer
> illiterate. Well, all that does is frustrate them, as it would
> frustrate us. Slow is slow. This makes no sense when you can buy an
> inexpensive motherboard and CPU for under $100, sometimes under $50. Get
> a modern, low end motherboard with everything integrated (sound, video,
> etc all on the motherboard), and some Pentium 4 or Celeron at 2GHz or
> higher. It won't cost any more, and mother might actually enjoy using
> the computer. You can get the motherboard and CPU both for well under
> $100, sometimes for as little as $50.
While I wouldn't do business with TigerDirect myself, this page
is to demonstrate some of the bundles that companies like that
can offer. The only limitation with newer products like this,
is whether the old operating system will install or not.
For Nvidia, Nforce3 is the last chipset with official Win98
support, for example.
Biostar Geforce 6100-M9 S939 MicroATX, AMD Sempron 3000 1.80GHz OEM CPU, 512MB DDR PC3200
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2297614&sku=MCM-6100M9-3000
Here is another example. This board includes a processor and heatsink.
You'll still need a stick of RAM.
PC CHIPS M863G (V3.0C) w/Althon XP-M 1900+ SiS 741GX $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813185089
You can check for OS support for the SIS 741GX on this page:
http://www.sis.com/download/
The trick to all this, is finding out where all the "bundle" deals
are buried, and checking whether the OS you plan on using, is supported.
Paul
BigJim
or so for about 100 dollars, no monitor.
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Synapse Syndrome
"Barry Watzman" <Watzma...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Recommendation: Don't use a Pentium III.
>
I have a Coppermine PIII-800 with an Asus CUV4x motheboard running Windows
XP as a secondary machine with no problems. This trusty thing has ran
better than many P4's I've used, and uses much less power. I wouldn't swap
it for any P4.
ss.
Daniel Mandic
Hi Rick!
I have found the 'Gemini' Chipset very good.
Optimized Chipset
Xcel2000 chipset. The chipset
includes a built-in 64-bit AGP graphics adapter. Support is provided for
both a 66 MHz and a 100 MHz system bus. The chipset can address 768
MB of 3.3V SDRAM memory and supports ECC error correction. The
chipset also supports two PCI IDE channels, USB ports, and ACPI
power management.
Built-in AGP Graphics Accelerator!!!!!
The mainboard includes a graphics accelerator that uses up to 8 MB of
main memory as video memory. The graphics accelerator complies with
the AGP Ver. 2 specification!!. The graphics controller can deliver
extended VGA resolutions of up to 1600 x 1200 pixels.
Built-in PCI 3D Sound
The Elite PCI Audio CMI 8738 is a single chip solution for PCI-bus 3D
audio. The chip provides Sound Blaster 16-bit-compatible audio, plus
support for Microsoft's DirectSound 3D specification and Aureal A3D
interface. The sound ports include jacks for speakers, microphone and
stereo in, and a game/MIDI port. The audio system supports full duplex
operation and drivers are available for WIN 95/98 and WIN NT 4.0. The
audio system can output sound to 4 loudspeakers!!!! and also supports
SPDIF 24-bit digital sound input and output!! :).
Slot1 and! PPGA/FCPGA1. Some PCI slots, onboard GfX controller, LAN
10/100, MoDem, Mini-ATX Format... USB PS/2 etc...
Control-manager in Windows for example, with NT4 and a P2/350, opens
faster than on my GHz machine ;-).
Expandable to 768MB, afaik. GfX can be set 2, 4 and 8MB taken from Main
Memory.
A nice SiS chipset, not the fastest but with an amazing GUI
processing-speed. I would say, for a "typical" Office Machine.
Best Regards,
Daniel Mandic
Fishface
one you really want. Your wife will understand.
And get her something bigger than that 14" monitor,
too.
Barry Watzman
you have to "dot your "i's" and "cross your t's" or you won't get them
(but if you are careful and do everything right, the rebates do get
paid). At times, you can get case, power supply, motherboard, memory
and CPU for a total after-rebate price of under $80 from TigerDirect (I
should say, "after multiple rebates" ... some of these deals are $250
"out the door" with 6 to 10 rebates totalling $150 to $200).
Re: "The only limitation with newer products like this, is whether the
old operating system will install or not. For Nvidia, Nforce3 is the
last chipset with official Win98 support"
For the same reason that I recommended not to give an elderly person a
Pentium III, I'd also recommend not to give them a system with anything
other than XP (Home, probably). You can get XP Home upgrade retail
boxed version for $50 right now (both OfficeMax and OfficeDepot have
offered it for $49.95 or less).
Barry Watzman
at 800MHz) that I'm trying to sell. But they are still slow. It's not
the right answer for a computer illiterate person precisely because a
computer like that is frustrating to use.
However, I'd argue with you that it's better than a reasonable P4
(meaning a P4 at mid 2's GHz or faster, or a Celeron up towards 3GHz).
As I said, I have two of them here (P2B motherboards), yes they work,
they are useable but they are not particularly fun to use.
rlmacdo...@comcast.net
"Fishface" <inv...@ddress.ok?> wrote in message
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That's funny, This whole thing started out with the idea I was going to get
her a 19" flat screen for Christmas. I knew I had the PIII 850 stashed in
the basement and I was sure I had my old P2B-LS but I must have trashed it
because it's nowhere to be found.
I appreciate all the input from everyone and you've given me several options
to consider.
Rick
Fishface
> her a 19" flat screen for Christmas. I knew I had the PIII 850 stashed in
> the basement and I was sure I had my old P2B-LS but I must have trashed it
> because it's nowhere to be found.
>
> I appreciate all the input from everyone and you've given me several options
> to consider.
Don't forget, some of the non-Asus, non-Intel motherboards had a "bad
capacitor" problem. My sister-in-law and father-in-law both have systems
built from MSI 6368L motherboards without AGP slots. Both are running
Tualatin Celeron 1.1A processors at 11 x 133MHz and the integrated
graphics doesn't support 1280 x 1024. Interpolated to 1024 x 768 doesn't
look too good on an LCD, as I recall. Anyway, the sister-in-law recently
mentioned that her monitor (14" CRT) was dying-- sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't. It would take a PCI graphics card to keep her in
business. A years ago, I noticed one slightly bulging electrolytic capacitor
on her motherboard when I replaced her non-functioning power supply fan.
It had been getting pretty warm in that case with no other ventilation. I'm
hoping it was the heat. The capacitor wasn't near the processor.
My mom is her to celebrate her eighty-first birthday tonight. She still drives.
She mentioned that her computer keeps freezing. Another Celeron 1.1A
on an Intel made 440BX Gateway board, not overclocked. I guess I'll
check the fans first.
satu...@yahoo.com
many new wireless network card use PCI 2.2 instead PCI 2.1. My board is
P2B-F, and it's PCI 2.1. If i put a PCI 2.2 card, sometimes it fails
to recognize the card at all.
PIII 850 is more than enough for email, web surfing, but video game is
a big question mark. it really depend on what knid of games.
I 'm still using Asus P2B-F with PIII-650, 512 MB ram, 80GB Hard drive
and XP.
The board is very stable and i use it for email, web surfing,
programming, playing DIVX ,DVD and word processing without any problem.
Although the hd controller is ultra33, but it is fast as long as the hd
is free of junk and defragment it occassionally.
Asus P2B series and P3B-F series use high quality capacitors (Sanyo,
Chemicon) in every area, so you don't have to worry about the
capacitor.
And i don't like win98, as it has memory leakage problem.
win2000 or xp is much better in term of memory management.
PIII is bit old, but it uses less power and SDRAM is cheap.
I don't know whether your CPU is slot 1 or socket 370. IF it is slot 1,
then p3b-f will be a good choice.
You can find Asus P3b-F over ebay and it costs about around
$15-20(included shipping)
If it is socket 370, then i really don't know.
intel 810 and 815 chipset limit to 512MB ram but support Ultra66/100
Via supports >512MB and Ultra66/100, but the southbridge has a small
bug(it happens when copying large file if i remember correctly, but you
don't notice it as long as you install the patch)
Daniel Mandic
Hi!
Dear Saturn Lee. The UDAM33 of the BX is lightyears away from any
other... no, the Whole Southbridge is perfect.
I had two PC's to service in the last days, where I have to set UDMA
from 100 to 66, and one from 133 to 66, due to errors in XP.
Here on my BX P2B-F I have 4 DMA33-set devices running, all at the same
time if you wish and with IDE-cables dating back to 93 or 94.
20MB/s HD1, 20MB/s HD2, 6MB/s DVD-ROM, ~7MB/s DVD-RW Lightscribe.
I do not know the 810 or 815 intel chipset, but the Apollo-intel or the
VIA 82c686 especially, can not drive at full speed or/and drive the ATA
full equipped. And the SIS741GX (AMD Semperon) fucks up with ATA133 at
XP...
What should I say!
[~140ns latency a AMD Sempron with Prefetch Logic! PC2700/cl3 RAM
1580MHz modern Northbridge. And ~100ns latency intel Tualatin 103MHz
FSB PC133/Cl3 RAM 1083MHz old useless abandoned bad weak slow
Northbridge]
But the AMD pushes nice,.... boots NT very fast!
I should test the piece of Hardware again, with FSB100 set, instead of
166, makes 950 AMD MHz... :-))
I can tell you.... it's plainly the same. The same fast as a 950MHz P3
BX Computer, but with a higher CPU cache memory latency. Why should I do
so :-)))))
Kind Regards,
Daniel Mandic
Synapse Syndrome
"Daniel Mandic" <daniel...@aon.at> wrote in message
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> satu...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi!
>
>
>
> Dear Saturn Lee. The UDAM33 of the BX is lightyears away from any
> other... no, the Whole Southbridge is perfect.
>
>
> I had two PC's to service in the last days, where I have to set UDMA
> from 100 to 66, and one from 133 to 66, due to errors in XP.
>
> Here on my BX P2B-F I have 4 DMA33-set devices running, all at the same
> time if you wish and with IDE-cables dating back to 93 or 94.
> 20MB/s HD1, 20MB/s HD2, 6MB/s DVD-ROM, ~7MB/s DVD-RW Lightscribe.
>
> I do not know the 810 or 815 intel chipset, but the Apollo-intel or the
> VIA 82c686 especially, can not drive at full speed or/and drive the ATA
> full equipped. And the SIS741GX (AMD Semperon) fucks up with ATA133 at
> XP...
> What should I say!
>
>
> [~140ns latency a AMD Sempron with Prefetch Logic! PC2700/cl3 RAM
> 1580MHz modern Northbridge. And ~100ns latency intel Tualatin 103MHz
> FSB PC133/Cl3 RAM 1083MHz old useless abandoned bad weak slow
> Northbridge]
>
> But the AMD pushes nice,.... boots NT very fast!
>
>
>
> I should test the piece of Hardware again, with FSB100 set, instead of
> 166, makes 950 AMD MHz... :-))
> I can tell you.... it's plainly the same. The same fast as a 950MHz P3
> BX Computer, but with a higher CPU cache memory latency. Why should I do
> so :-)))))
The BX boards were very nice, but the VIA Apollo chipset on the Asus CUV/TUV
boards could handle more RAM and were very stable and powerful too.
I have got rid of later machines, but I still keep my Coppermine PIII-800 as
a secondary desktop. It used to be my 24/7 server, but that role has now
been taken by my ex-workstation AMD64 machine.
It still runs XP very nicely, and does everything that I don't need a lot of
CPU power for, and works very nicely with my new Vista Core 2 Duo
workstation.
ss.
sdlomi2
Rick, here come some flames, I'm sure. For the past year I've bought 4
Dell PIII's on Ebay, and the max. Ipaid for any one was $61, including
shipping.. One was Slot I, others socket, IIRC. They have been
problem-free so far. Bought one for $19 that had no cd-rom, but who can
value a used cdrom for any $ beyond 15 minutes' labor to install? HTH, s