Asus P2B upgrade / Coppermine 1.0 Ghz / Abit Slotket problem !! PLZ help!
Perry Rhodan
since last week, I tried anything to upgrade my PC with a 1.0 Ghz/ 133
FSB Coppermine. Nothing seem to work to date, and I'm a little bit
discouraged. First I will describe you my upgrade system , next I will
explain what normally my PC does with my P2 (same PC but with a P2
Slot1 I normaly use) when the PC boot. And last I will give you all
what I've done so far and the result of that.
First the PC I want to upgrade:
-Asus P2B rev 1.02 mother board
-Bios revision 1014 beta 3
-P2 Deschute slot 1 300 Mhz/FSB 66 Mhz @ 450 Mhz/FSB 100 Mhz
-GeForce 2 MX 400
-256 Meg SDram PC133 Kingston
What I use for my upgrade:
-Abit Slotket !!! (used)
-P3 Coppermine 1000/256/133/1.75v SL52R
Now here what my PC does when I start it (with my normal setup, P2):
As soon as I push the power button:
- all the fan start running and my monitor (that is alway in sleep
mode) power up. But stay black.
-My hard drive start to spin and my HD led stay steady lit for about
20 second (after the 20 second it start to search and run Windows)
-My CDRW (E:) seek for about 2-3 second
-My CD reader seek in the same time for 1 second
After 2 or 3 second after pushing power button:
-The bios revision and memory of my video card appear on the screen.
2-3 second after that:
-Normal message of Energy Star, Bios name and version ect....memory
verification etc etc etc
Now here is the problem with my Slotket fitted on my Asus P2B with the
Abit Slotket, this problem occur with all of the setup I try (see
below):
A soon as push the power button:
-All the fan start (sign that the power is ok) BUT my monitor DOESNT
power up.
-My hard drive start to spin, but after 20 second STOPs. (NEVER start
to search nor start Windows).
-My CDRW (E:) seek normaly for about 2-3 second
-My CD reader DONT start to seek.
Nothing after that........NO BIP.
I read near everything on this board, other board, on the "Ultimate
upgrade guide for all asus P2B and P3B boards" from Roland Scheidegger
to find some answers. But before I spend several other $$$ on that I
need some help of what I'm doing wrong.
Here is how I initially setup my P2B and the Slotket:
P2B jumper:
-CPU core .... I didnt bother with it
-FSB .... set it to 133
Abit Slotket !!! jumper:
-CPU voltage ... 1.8 v
-FSB ..... 133
-CPU selector .... Coppermine
Here what I tried so far in different combinaison between them:
P2B jumper:
- P2B CPU core jumper : no jumper at all , jumper set at 7.5 in
133FSB
- P2B FSB : set at 133 and set at 100
- Clear the real time clock (CLRTC) several time
Abit Slotket !!! jumper:
-Slotcket FSB : auto, 133, 100
-Slotket Voltage : 1.75, 1.8, 1.85, 1.90
The only setup that change something is when I tried is 1.75 on the
Slotket, only the power supply fan start running all other stay dead
and the power supply led start to blink.
But in all other setup combination, the result are the same.
What I didnt try:
-downgrade the bios to 1012 (an "gold" one not a beta)
-try a Slotket from ASUS
-buy a P2B rev. 1.12
And maybe other I dont think about.
Please help!!
Yannick
P2B
Your problem is you are trying to run a 133Mhz FSB CPU on a board that
doesn't support 133Mhz. The clock chip on a P2B rev 1.02 is usually an
ICS 9148BF-26, which has a 133Mhz setting - but the manufacturer's
datasheet says 'performance not guaranteed' at 133 and in my experience
it doesn't work at all - 112Mhz is the most I've seen these clocks do.
You should be able to get the CPU to run at 100Mhz FSB by setting both
the slotket and the mainboard to 100Mhz - but that will result in a
750Mhz CPU. If that doesn't work, the problem is almost certainly the
Abit slotket - try an Asus.
No matter what you do (short of changing the clock chip), the best
you're going to do with that board and CPU is 7.5 x 112 = 840Mhz :-(
Perry Rhodan
combination so far:
P2B Jumper /Abit Slotket jumper
133 / 133
133 / auto
100 / 100
100 / auto
And the result was the same as described in my first post here. I will
try to find an Asus S370-L,DL,133 to fit in. Other suggestion? other
though?
What does it generally mean that the PC power up, but the boot process
goes no farther than what it happen here? (like if my configuration is
a normal P2B and do this whith a P2 450?)
Roland Scheidegger
> I already try FSB 100Mhz, that why I'm so confused now. I tried these
> combination so far: P2B Jumper /Abit Slotket jumper 133 /
> 133 133 / auto 100 / 100 100 /
> auto
>
> And the result was the same as described in my first post here. I
> will try to find an Asus S370-L,DL,133 to fit in. Other suggestion?
> other though?
It isn't really necessary to set the fsb on the slotket, since it is
simply ignored. I guess you've also tried the combination 100fsb (set on
P2b) and 1.8V? You should concentrate on that setting, you can worry
about overclocking the fsb later. Abit slotket III is quite widely used
on asus boards, so shouldn't be a problem (doesn't hurt to try a
different slotket, if you get a S370-L make sure you get the new
revision, the old one hasn't coppermine support). The cpu works ok in a
different board?
> What does it generally mean that the PC power up, but the boot
> process goes no farther than what it happen here? (like if my
> configuration is a normal P2B and do this whith a P2 450?)
Don't know, but the hd switching off again looks strange IMHO.
Roland
Perry Rhodan
mainly use in my test). For the CPU I'm in the process to try it on
another board (the Slotket too if I'm able to find a place where they
can test it) just to eliminate potential error from these two.
For me too it look very strange that my CPU dont work in 100
FSB....and no bip from the board, HD stop working ect...I'm
confused...but it look like the CPU is not recognized.
Roland Scheidegger <rschei...@gmx.ch> wrote in message news:<b8r262$d3tjl$1...@ID-84205.news.dfncis.de>...
>
> It isn't really necessary to set the fsb on the slotket, since it is
> simply ignored. I guess you've also tried the combination 100fsb (set on
> P2b) and 1.8V? You should concentrate on that setting, you can worry
> about overclocking the fsb later. Abit slotket III is quite widely used
> on asus boards, so shouldn't be a problem (doesn't hurt to try a
> different slotket, if you get a S370-L make sure you get the new
> revision, the old one hasn't coppermine support). The cpu works ok in a
> different board?
>
>
Perry Rhodan
microcode for CuMine Stepping : "1. Added microcode update support for
Coppermine B-0 stepping."
I think we have here a typo, since I dont know what exactly mean B-0,
but I think the want to talk about bD0 .
My cpu core stepping (P3 CuMine 1000/256/133/1.7v SL52R) is cD0 .
My Bios is 1014 beta 3
Do you think my problem come from the bios not recognizing the CPU
because of it's stepping identification? Is the 1014 bios recongnize
more stepping like mine (cD0) ? because nothing on the Asus site talk
about whats new in Bios 1014.
Roland Scheidegger <rschei...@gmx.ch> wrote in message news:<b8r262$d3tjl$1...@ID-84205.news.dfncis.de>...
Perry Rhodan
>(doesn't hurt to try a different slotket, if you get a S370-L make
sure you get >the new revision, the old one hasn't coppermine
support).
Ok here is some more info on the hardware used:
My Abit Slotket is an AB-FC370 VERSION 1.0
Is my version can cause problem?
I will purchase tomorrow from a guy an Asus Slotket S370-DL Version
1.01 . Is a good version?
Paul
bor...@sympatico.ca (Perry Rhodan) wrote:
> I look at Asus site, and I've read that the Bios 1012 added support
> microcode for CuMine Stepping : "1. Added microcode update support for
> Coppermine B-0 stepping."
>
> I think we have here a typo, since I dont know what exactly mean B-0,
> but I think the want to talk about bD0 .
>
> My cpu core stepping (P3 CuMine 1000/256/133/1.7v SL52R) is cD0 .
>
> My Bios is 1014 beta 3
>
> Do you think my problem come from the bios not recognizing the CPU
> because of it's stepping identification? Is the 1014 bios recongnize
> more stepping like mine (cD0) ? because nothing on the Asus site talk
> about whats new in Bios 1014.
>
>
There has been one case in this newsgroup recently, where someone
got the documentation for two slocket products mixed up, and they
set the dip switches for the VID voltage in the wrong order. As a result,
they ended up setting the voltage on their slocket to something like
3.1 volts, cooking the processor. Make sure that the manual you download
for the slocket, corresponds to the slocket type you own.
Paul
Roland Scheidegger
> I look at Asus site, and I've read that the Bios 1012 added support
> microcode for CuMine Stepping : "1. Added microcode update support
> for Coppermine B-0 stepping."
>
> I think we have here a typo, since I dont know what exactly mean B-0,
> but I think the want to talk about bD0 .
supported in beta bios.
> My cpu core stepping (P3 CuMine 1000/256/133/1.7v SL52R) is cD0 .
>
> My Bios is 1014 beta 3
>
> Do you think my problem come from the bios not recognizing the CPU
> because of it's stepping identification? Is the 1014 bios recongnize
> more stepping like mine (cD0) ? because nothing on the Asus site
> talk about whats new in Bios 1014.
No the bios recognizes your stepping just fine (it even recognizes
tualatin cpus). If you'd use 1012 which doesn't support your stepping it
would still run, but you'd get an error message (can be switched off)
because of unavailable microcode.
Asus never lists what's new in a beta bios AFAIK.
Roland
Roland Scheidegger
> Roland Scheidegger <rschei...@gmx.ch> wrote in message
> news:<b8r262$d3tjl$1...@ID-84205.news.dfncis.de>...
>
>
>> (doesn't hurt to try a different slotket, if you get a S370-L make
>
> sure you get >the new revision, the old one hasn't coppermine
> support).
>
> Ok here is some more info on the hardware used:
>
> My Abit Slotket is an AB-FC370 VERSION 1.0
>
> Is my version can cause problem?
newer version of it (with a voltage clamp chip) that is probably better.
> I will purchase tomorrow from a guy an Asus Slotket S370-DL Version
> 1.01 . Is a good version?
That should be a very good version.
Roland
Perry Rhodan
Hi everybody, I'm near breakdown.... :(
Ok I recapitulate:
I tried to upgrade my P2B REV 1.02 board and Bios 1014 beta 3 with a
Slotket and a P3 Coppermine 1000/256/133/1.75 SL52R (cD0)
-First I used an Abit Slotket !!! AB-FC370 Ver. 1.0 without succes. :(
-I tried different combinaison of the jumpers on the P2B and on the
Slotket (tried FSB 66,100,133 on both P2B and Slotket, tried
1.75,1.8,1.85,1.9 Volt)
-I tried to reset the real time clock (CLRTC)
-I mixed jumpers setting and reset CLRTC
Next step, I purchase an Asus Slotket S370-DL Rev 1.02
-No succes here too :((
-No FSB jumpers on the slotket so dont have to bother with that
-Tried 66,75,83,100,103,112,133 FSB on P2B
What I havent done: testing my CPU in another PC. I will do it next
week.
What I know is my MB and the Slotket are working perfectly.
Other ideas about my problem? (please take time to read all post in
this thread before for other detail)
P.S. When I purchased the Asus Slotket, the guy give me a working
Celeron 466/heat sink/fan combo with it. I tried it in my P2B and is
in perfect working condition. READ CAREFULLY HERE: I overcloked it
just for fun. It reach easily 583 MHZ, but when I tried to push it to
7*100Mhz, it DOES EXACTLY WHAT MY P3 1.0Ghz do when I put it in the PC
(no matter what setting I use, it's alway the same reaction)
So I begin to suspect a CPU defect. But anyway, if you have any other
idea, let me know please!!
From a desesperate guy :(
Robert3984
with a voltage reducer is used.
I have been through all what you have been through. Tried 5 different slotkets,
and only the Powerleap one, has worked.
Do a search on Ebay for Powerleap or search the net to get more info.
P2B
Robert3984 wrote:
The op's slotkets both have voltage jumpers, and he's tried them at
1.8v, which is the minimum his board can supply. That's not the problem.
P2B boards do not require Powerleap adapters, unless you want to run a
Tualatin processor on an older revision with a 1.8v regulator.
kmchow
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Perry Rhodan
Robert , 1.75v Coppermine CPU support a feed of 1.8 V. The P2B rev
1.02 I have cannot supply 1.75v.Thats why I use a Slotket with voltage
adjustment. The slotket intercept the VID signal from the CPU and sent
the Slotket jumpers corresponding code to the motherboard (here 1.8v).
On this side I'm ok. And I understand all that.
If I tried another Slotket is to isolate a potetial problem coming
from the Abit Slotket (the first I used).
Know I know that my 2 Slotket are ok (with the help of the Celeron
coming whith my second Slotket)
I know that my MB is ok...I use this PC right know with my P2.
I use safe setting (1.8v, 100FSB) to be sure I dont cause myself
problem.
Anyway, before I post anything else, I'm on a point where it look
evident I have to test the CPU.
If my CPU is ok, we will have a very mysterious case here of some kind
of incompatibility.....but if my CPU is defect, we will not have to
dig any further...I will just have to dig deeper in my pocket to buy
another one :( (I hope that my CPU is ok...a MB of this class (P2B or
P3B) is cheaper than a 1 Ghz CPU....)
Perry Rhodan
> Did you update your m/b bios? You need 1013 rev 6 or higher I believe?
>
john oconnor
john oconnor
1-2 coppermine
23 celeron
john oconnor
http://www.asusboards.com/forums/index.php?s=5bb97c9297faee0e96092f7918633a15
also the voltage setting diagram which came with the asus slocket i got was
wrong and i had to download one of the asus site with the correct jumper
settings on as mine would not post on cpu default setting.jp1 was nearest
the retaining clip and jp5 was at the top
"john oconnor" <john_o...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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john oconnor
this page might help as wellnews:3eb53991$0$7744$fa0f...@lovejoy.zen.co.uk...
Perry Rhodan
I receive the result of the CPU testing today....and [drum roll] the
CPU is DEAD!!. All these questions, all these interogations,all this
mess for a DEAD CPU. Thansk for all your patience and help.I will keep
you informed on all other development if I decide to continu this
upgrade (if I can find one P3 1.0 Ghz CPU for cheap )
Perry Rhodan
was dead, and this cause me some headache and it cost me another $$ to
purchase another CPU good this time.
So this upgrade work perfectly. Yes here is the upgrade finally.
Asus P2B rev. 1.02
Bios ver. 1014 beta 3
Asus Slotket SL-360 rev 1.02
Pentium 3 Coppermine 1000/256/133/1.75v
Yes an earlier rev. 1.02 board work with the P3 with 133 FSB. And rock
stable.
Thanks every one for your help.
n...@nevernever.com
wrote:
I always wonder what the weasels who always say the P2B can't run 133
think when YET ANOTHER person posts his P2B is up and running rock
stable.
You'd think they'd learn by now.
P2B
I've got 4 P2B-S boards running Tualeron 1As at 1500Mhz - 150Mhz FSB,
very stable :-)
http://tipperlinne.com/p2b-s150
My P2B-DS boards will run dual PIII-S 1.4s at 1575/150, but I have to
back off to 1470/140 for real stability.