Quad Core Intel Q6600 - upcoming G0 stepping can run at much higher temps and.............
John Lewis
cooling system as the current stepping of the processor..... !!!!
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From Tom's Hardware:-
Santa Clara (CA) : Intel has informed its customers that the Core 2
Quad Q6600 desktop quad-core processor as well as the Xeon X3220 and
X3210 server quad-core CPUs have been transitioned to a new stepping,
which will allow customers to integrate the processors in computer
systems using lower power flexible motherboards (FMB).
According to a product change notification released on Friday, the
three processors were transitioned from the B-3 to the G-0 processor
stepping and can now run not only on 105 watt performance FMBs, but on
95 watt mainstream FMBs as well.
The new CPUs, which can be identified by the CPUID "06FB" (B-3
processors were labeled "06F7"), also increase the Tcase, a value that
describes the maximum temperature a CPU can sustain, by 11 degrees
Celsius. According to Intel, this change will allow system builders to
scale back cooling requirements and achieve lower system noise levels
overall.
All three G-0 CPUs require BIOS updates. Samples of the processors are
expected to be available on May 11. General availability of the units
is scheduled for July 16.
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Seems as if one should plan purchase of a quad-core desktop after the
current stepping has completely worked through the distribution/retail
chain.. Also Intel is planning very sharp price reductions of all
Core2 desktop processors in Q3... the price of the Q6600 is then
expected to fall to around $275. In the transition between the B3 and
G0 stepping, the wise purchaser will be closely looking for the new
sSpec code(s) which is usually printed somewhere amongst the processor
ID information on the box. The sSpec code is also always printed on
the processor heat-spreader.
Find the Q6600 G0 stepping sSpec code(s) here:-
http://processorfinder.intel.com/Default.aspx
when the part is formally available.
The only stepping code currently listed for the Q6600 is indeed "B3"
for which the sSpec is SL9UM.
Seems as if Intel is genuinely pushing all the right performance and
cost buttons to make the launch of the quad desktop version of
Barcelona as hard as possible for AMD. I would not be at all surprised
if Intel started shippng the quad desktop Penryn CPU by the beginning
of Q4 (2007). Especially if Barcelona performance really exceeds that
of the Core 2 quads. The best way to attack AMD financially is to deny
them every opportunity of charging premium prices for performance,
thus stifling their ability to quickly recover their development
costs.
John Lewis
johns
these systems use more ram? They could make
each core use its own 2 gig bank of ram. And that
could be made to run much cooler again. Seems
just dumb to bottleneck a quad processor with a
single bank of ram ... and only 2 gig at that.
There's no way a quad processor system has any
advantage without it.
johns
Walter Mitty
> There's no way a quad processor system has any
> advantage without it.
Err, right Johns. Thanks for that stunningly crap precis. You *are*
joking? You do know about on board cache and so forth? Right?
John Lewis
wrote:
Methinks that "johns" only understanding about the term 'cache' is the
under-bed one where he keeps his savings.
John Lewis
CoinSpin
"Walter Mitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:87647fa...@gmail.com...
I'd like to hope he's joking, but sadly that's probably not the case... I'm
thinking he's just a little misguided.
It's always a bit amusing when people who obviously have absolutely no clue
how and why hardware works decide to pipe up with their views, and they
always seem to word them like they are just absolute truths...
Ah well, it's Usenet, what can ya do?
CoinSpin
JAB
"... he's just a little misguided." the largest understatement since the
Pope was described as wearing a slightly different hat.
johns
parallel calcs over shared connections ????? Where do
you guys constantly get off pretending to know jack about
the time of day ???? Where the hell have you been all
these years, that you don't seem to grasp even the
simplest concepts. Why do you think they are putting
4 processors on the same mobo to tackle the same
job ??? Holy Cat! It is parallel processing, and that
ain't done in cache. It's a running program you pack
of morons. It uses big stacks, and pulls little pieces
to cache. It is a ram starved operation on any single
machine, and that is why it worked 15 years ago
in NT 4.0 . I can share 4 machines in my office
and do the same thing ... only better because each
box has 2 gigs of ram. Oh yeah! For those of you
who suddenly think you can use the "they ain't
connected fast enough" bullshit, You are wrong
again. How do you think a CRAY works.
johns
johns
a joke. You don't have a clue about this level of
hardware. Don't worry. I'll keep trying to help
you learn.
johns ( a chip level gamer )
John Lewis
Er, buffalo chips ??
John Lewis
John Lewis
Er, DVD encoding on Premiere Pro runs 80% faster on my dual-core
machine with both processor-cores enabled than with one. One of
several metrics that I performed when I built my dual-core system.
Must complain to Adobe about their too-efficient use of the dual 1Meg
caches on the 939-pin 4400+.
BTW, I shall be building a quad-core machine some time in the Fall of
this year for both professional and gaming applications ( the quad
should speed up the compute-intense protions of Premier Pro by about
another 50% over the dual-core process-times). Nice for my Pro video
work, where shorter times represent real money savings... also certain
non-real-time functions suddently become realtime with the addition of
more parallel processing power and the associated large L2 caches.
Johns, would you like some benchmark results from programs that are
fully multicore-aware? I have quite a selection of such programs. No
doubt by that time Crysis will have joined this mix of programs... not
that "johns" will be interested in any multicore testing of Crysis,
since according to him this particular game does not exist. Er, does
"johns' really live on the same planet as the rest of us?
John Lewis
Walter Mitty
Shawk
> You forget the past ...
Perhaps we just survived it with our mental faculties intact?
JAB
Care to post your real name then as I'm sure there will be a few
references to you?
Memnoch
<snip>
Shouldn't this really be in a hardware group?
CoinSpin
"johns" <john...@moscow.com> wrote in message
news:1177916436.1...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Yah, you're obviously right... And the fact that I worked in development
for a major computer processor and motherboard manufacturer for years didn't
give me the slightest inkling into how computer hardware works.
CoinSpin
CoinSpin
"JAB" <noch...@nohope.com> wrote in message
news:c9rZh.3012$8E....@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
I'm picturing the Al Gore "I invented the internet" fiasco here
JAB
Is that all - I helped invent the computer processor ... ;-)
Shawk
...well I don't like to blow my own trumpet but you know that floating
point thingy? I did the point. Got a £25 voucher as a bonus. Dave
down the road did the floating part but he only got £10 cos he's a bit
dim and didn't realise the worth of his work.
John Lewis
Performance processors are a necessary component for action gamers...
and now also for action-rpg fanatics too...Oblivion, Gothic 3
immediately come to mind.
And for strategy, Supreme Commander makes excellent use of multicore
processors. We are going to see many more action-rpgs and strategy
games requiring multicore hardware for maximum performance.
(This is also x-posted to the Asus motherboard group BTW....)
John Lewis
JT
I like to eat chips as I game as well. What's your fav?
johns
Perhaps you are not professionals in this field of
electronics ? Nothing wrong with being uninformed.
Plenty wrong with being a power head, and reducing
a news group to a pack of .. ?? ... Australians.
It is going to take twice as many patches to make
the quad cores run, as it did the dual cores. You
like all those C++ runtime crashes, do you ??
They can't sync 2 cores now. How are they going
to sync 4 of them running an OS not designed to
do it ? They have to run asynchronously under
a control program designed to do that ... meaning
they have to run independantly as separate
processors to do anything meaningful. NT 4.0
could do it. Our test lab that set up 25 mobos
could do it.
johns
johns
and how certain programs obtained those marks. If the
game writers ... or anybody else ... is writing to them
and not generating bad memory calls .. .like G3 does
now ... we could indeed have a real performance break
that is useful. What is amusing to me, is to exit a
test on a dual core, back to the desktop, and the
very next click of the mouse generates a C++
runtime error ... bad memory call ... and the thing
crashes to a black screen and just hangs there.
Quad core is going to be like dual core .. only
worse. My dual cores run like a bat out of hell, but
the crashing is just awsome, and you don't get
the slightest warning ... just a very angry engineer
who has been working for hours without saving
his work ... They didn't tell us about this little
problem in the adds for dual core.
johns
JAB
Well I think that to speed things up modern designers need to start
thinking about looking at the sinking point thingy again. When we - well
mainly me if truth be told - where inventing the industry current
technology meant we couldn't get this off the ground, mostly the thought
I those I worked with, but I reckon it would be workable now. I suppose
you could compare me to Babbage.
JAB
I know lots of people who would be classed as professionals in
electronics and have a comparable amount of knowledge about the industry
they work in. Generally they're the first ones out of the door when it's
time to make a few cut-backs. It's always good to have a few of them
around just to make you look better though.
John Lewis
You obviously have zero idea as to how to configure a PC system, or
else you love to work with flaky hardware. I have a 4400+ system for
the past 1.5 years. The only crashes that I ever get with the system
are those from programs (both pro and game) already known to be flaky
on my P4 system ( with HT disabled, thus operating single-core) plus
the two or three programs in my collection that do not like dual-core.
For those I have the handy "imagecfg.exe" utility to permanently fix
up the executable. I have ZERO fear of quad-core. I am looking forward
to that quad-core system-build. The Q6600 will be available for
~$275. Plus AMD, hopefully will have their long-delayed quad desktop
processor also available for $250 -$300. If not, bye-bye
AMD......Should be about the same time that nVidia releases the
8900-series of second-gen Dx10 GPUs, plus all of the ATi Dx10
offerings will be available. Q3-Q4 2007 will be a pricing and
hardware-choice sweet-spot for those intending to build a performance
PC system. The competition in DDR2 is heating up, with all the vendors
at each other's throats. Of course, some are saying that DDR2 prices
will rise in the Fall. History will prove them wrong.
John Lewis
John Lewis
>> Perhaps we just survived it with our mental faculties intact?
>
>Perhaps you are not professionals in this field of
>electronics ?
Er, your assumptions (as usual) are totally wrong. At least, in my
case :-) :-)
John Lewis
Mark Morrison
Pah - I helped invent electon flow !
That was a busy day - not as busy as when we invented gravity though.
Mark Morrison
I like McCoy Specials - barbecue tortillas rule !
Walter Mitty
> On 30 Apr 2007 16:29:56 -0700, johns <john...@moscow.com> wrote:
>
>>I would be very interested in your quad core benchmarks,
>>and how certain programs obtained those marks. If the
>>game writers ... or anybody else ... is writing to them
>>and not generating bad memory calls .. .like G3 does
>>now ... we could indeed have a real performance break
>>that is useful. What is amusing to me, is to exit a
>>test on a dual core, back to the desktop, and the
>>very next click of the mouse generates a C++
>>runtime error ... bad memory call ... and the thing
>>crashes to a black screen and just hangs there.
>>Quad core is going to be like dual core .. only
>>worse. My dual cores run like a bat out of hell, but
>>the crashing is just awsome, and you don't get
>>the slightest warning ... just a very angry engineer
>>who has been working for hours without saving
>>his work ... They didn't tell us about this little
>>problem in the adds for dual core.
>>
>>johns
>>
>
> You obviously have zero idea as to how to configure a PC system, or
You needed empirical evidence to guess that?
John Lewis
wrote:
Of course not. But sometimes "johns"needs a real third-party mirror
instead of his magic one.
John Lewis
johns
I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime, go
to Microsoft and download the X2 ram sync
patch, and the 2 AMD patches ( if you have
AMD X2s ) ... if you plan on buying Crysis.
Heh! Actually, I prefer you not wait on the
quad core tests. The OneUpsMen are already
talking quad-core in my labs. I need screaming
and yelling for evidence ... like I finally got
from all of them just before we uninstalled
Vista.
johns
johns
johns
JAB
> They call us back. We run the world.
>
> johns
>
So why haven't you posted your real name otherwise you just come across
as someone who likes to spout "facts" with no real knowledge.
Memnoch
>On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:11:28 GMT, Memnoch
><mem...@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:41:39 GMT, john...@verizon.net (John Lewis) wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Shouldn't this really be in a hardware group?
>
>
>Performance processors are a necessary component for action gamers...
>and now also for action-rpg fanatics too...Oblivion, Gothic 3
>immediately come to mind.
And for any software at all....since its a processor. Lets crosspost to every
software group out there then.
>And for strategy, Supreme Commander makes excellent use of multicore
>processors. We are going to see many more action-rpgs and strategy
>games requiring multicore hardware for maximum performance.
>
>(This is also x-posted to the Asus motherboard group BTW....)
True, but then it could quite easily posted to every motherboard group out
there too.....
John Lewis
<mem...@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:34:51 GMT, john...@verizon.net (John Lewis) wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:11:28 GMT, Memnoch
>><mem...@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:41:39 GMT, john...@verizon.net (John Lewis) wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>Shouldn't this really be in a hardware group?
>>
>>
>>Performance processors are a necessary component for action gamers...
>>and now also for action-rpg fanatics too...Oblivion, Gothic 3
>>immediately come to mind.
>
>And for any software at all....since its a processor. Lets crosspost to every
>software group out there then.
>
>>And for strategy, Supreme Commander makes excellent use of multicore
>>processors. We are going to see many more action-rpgs and strategy
>>games requiring multicore hardware for maximum performance.
>>
>>(This is also x-posted to the Asus motherboard group BTW....)
>
>True, but then it could quite easily posted to every motherboard group out
>there too.....
Since performance PC hardware is of interest to many PC gamers,
action, rpg, strategy, simulation, I shall continue to post
interesting hardware tid-bits to * my personal selection* of these
groups. especially considering the retooling of many game-engines to
use multicores, plus the imminent arrival of games using Dx10 graphics
technology.
Meanwhile, I'm sure that you will continue to enjoy your turn-based PC
games in 640x480 256-color graphics on your 386.. :-) :-)
You are VERY welcome to killfile my postings if they annoy you.
John Lewis
Memnoch
I shall! <walks off in a huff>
>You are VERY welcome to killfile my postings if they annoy you.
You haven't done anything near worth that. Unless you compare yourself to
Eep²!
John Lewis
<mem...@nospampleaseimbritish.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>Since performance PC hardware is of interest to many PC gamers,
>>action, rpg, strategy, simulation, I shall continue to post
>>interesting hardware tid-bits to * my personal selection* of these
>>groups. especially considering the retooling of many game-engines to
>>use multicores, plus the imminent arrival of games using Dx10 graphics
>>technology.
>>
>>Meanwhile, I'm sure that you will continue to enjoy your turn-based PC
>>games in 640x480 256-color graphics on your 386.. :-) :-)
>
>I shall! <walks off in a huff>
>
LOL :-) :-)
>>You are VERY welcome to killfile my postings if they annoy you.
>
>You haven't done anything near worth that. Unless you compare yourself to
>Eep²!
Whatever happened to him? Did he die?
Also, our more current nemesis of similar ilk has been keeping a low
profile of late... maybe can't find a host that has not banned
him/her?
John Lewis
Walter Mitty
>>You haven't done anything near worth that. Unless you compare yourself to
>>Eep²!
>
> Whatever happened to him? Did he die?
>
> Also, our more current nemesis of similar ilk has been keeping a low
> profile of late... maybe can't find a host that has not banned
> him/her?
>
> John Lewis
My god! Eep! What a brainless dickhead of humongous proportions. I still
chuckle when I remember Gerry Quinn's pastiche of Eep on the toilet...
or
http://groups.google.de/group/comp.games.development.design/msg/c9427c15d472d7c9?dmode=source
Bu essentially here anyway:
,----
| The call came through at 4am, but Eep was awake and alert immediately as
| always. It was Sid Meier, gabbling in a panicky voice about gameplay
| problems in his new golf simulation. Eep cut him short. "Destructible
| terrain, Sid," he intoned gently. "Got that? Destructible terrain
| will give your game the immersion it needs." Eep cut short the man's
| effusive thanks. "Telling game designers their job is just my job", he
| said. "It's why they pay me 5% of the profits. Now get some rest, get
| up tomorrow and program us a damn good game."
|
| "What are you muttering about in there?" shouted Eep's Mum. "Just
| finish up whatever it is you're doing - some of the rest of us want to
| use the bathroom!"
|
| Eep sighed, and sat back on the seat. Only a select few - the Evolved -
| could know of his covert crusade against that evil puppetmaster, the
| Greedy Publisher. One day, pehaps, the story could be told - as a slim
| memoir, perhaps, or even an aesthetically designed webpage. The
| bathroom tiles slipped away from his consciousness, as the Secret Life
| of Eep once again dispelled the mundane gloom... Half-consciously, he
| groped for some more paper.
`----
Classic.
DRS
news:133cls4...@corp.supernews.com
[...]
>> Care to post your real name then as I'm sure there will be a few
>> references to you?
>
> I'm picturing the Al Gore "I invented the internet" fiasco here
That's unfair. What Al Gore actually said, as distinct to the urban myth
version you presented, was substantially correct and was supported by noted
Internet luminaries like Vincent Cerf (ie, see
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm).
DRS
>> Perhaps we just survived it with our mental faculties intact?
>
> Perhaps you are not professionals in this field of
> electronics ? Nothing wrong with being uninformed.
> Plenty wrong with being a power head, and reducing
> a news group to a pack of .. ?? ... Australians.
Say what?
Jim Davis
Shawk
In that order?
Pibbur
<jada...@sbcglobal.net>:
Piffft. Big bang - that's me (and I'm NOT talking about farts here).
--
Pibbur
"- Luce, pater tuus sum"
"- Minime! Minime!"
clyd...@yahoo.com
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For those of you who haven't gotten time to check into them, here's
the lowdown. There are three new recipes available from the lovely
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thing about these three new recipes (at least to me) is that they have
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