Need AGP 1x videocard for Asus P2B-DS, fast!!!!
Dreamworld
"Gord Davis" <gord...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for an AGP 1x card for my Asus P2B-DS motherboard. Preferrably
> an invidia card but an ATI card is fine as well. The card must also be
> supported by WindowXP and I know the nvidia cards have XP drivers.
>
> It doesn't have to be a powerful card since I can't get too much power on
an
> AGP 1x slot these days(I know I'm looking for an older card), but
something
> that is good quality, solid and dependable.
>
> All the cards I've found so far have been AGP2x/4x, so if you could
> recommend something I would greatly appreciate it!
>
> Thanks in advance!
Can't you just stick any AGP (2x/4x) card in an AGP 1x slot? I mean, I used
to think they were backwards compatible? Anyone?
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Paolo Basaglia
>I'm looking for an AGP 1x card for my Asus P2B-DS motherboard. Preferrably
>an invidia card but an ATI card is fine as well. The card must also be
>supported by WindowXP and I know the nvidia cards have XP drivers.
>
>It doesn't have to be a powerful card since I can't get too much power on an
>AGP 1x slot these days(I know I'm looking for an older card), but something
>that is good quality, solid and dependable.
>
>All the cards I've found so far have been AGP2x/4x, so if you could
>recommend something I would greatly appreciate it!
The Asus P2B-DS (I own one :-) ) is an Intel BX mainbboard and
supports AGP 2x too and NOT only 1x.
So, every nowadays good card is good for you.
My suggestion is taking an ATI RADEON 7500. It's cheap and reliable. I
have one installed in my P2B-DS and I am fully satisfied with it.
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AGP X2 and X4 cards should run in your mobo. Naturally only at x1 speed.
Plenty of cheap cards out there to choose like Nvidia's TNT2 etc...
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Kazuki Arakaki
certain type of AGP. The question isn't so much "Is it 1x or is it 4x?" . .
. it's "Is it v1 AGP, v2 AGP, or AGP Pro?". There are certain cards that
are backwards compatible between version 1 and version 2, but they are
usually limited to 2x. I think most all AGP Pro ones are compatible with
AGP 4x, but don't quote me on that. Mine is an AGP v1, and I had to go find
a Matrox G450. Not the best, but still better than going PCI!
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>
Stephan Grossklass
>
> As I've found out, it depends. I have an Asus P5A, and it will only take a
> certain type of AGP.
IIRC this was an issue with the AGP power supply, essentially the same
as on earlier P2L97's. Additionally the chipset didn't like Nvidia cards
much, but using the latest ALi drivers supposedly fixes a lot of issues.
Stephan
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I thought all P2B's did. Maybe not.I am running a RadeonLE 32MB DDR card and
it is great for my Cel366@550.
I just used the Registry hack to enable HyperZ, etc.
The Other Bloke
Thunder
date on hardware changes. AGP 1.0 supported 1X & 2X video cards but with the
advent of AGP 2.0 things got a bit sticky AGP 2.0 READ BELOW!!
Different between AGP 1.0 and 2.0 Slot:
All GeForce line of graphics cards required AGP 2.0 slot support from
motherboard. The main different between the AGP 1.0 and 2.0 is the 2.0 has
extra 3.3v support. Without this extra 3.3v from the AGP slot, GeForce
graphics cards will not function properly. Most recent released motherboards
should have AGP 2.0 slot design, but some old motherboard sometime will show
up as 1.0. These motherboards sometime will work if the makers have enabled
the 3.3V support for the AGP slot in the 1.0 design. Users with these type
motherboards should contact their maker for more information on
compatibility issues.
***** Update ***** ( 1/18/02)
The new Intel 845, 850 chipset requires graphics card support AGP 2.0, 1.5V
spec. This voltage requirement is included in the standard AGP 2.0 spec. and
all current Leadtek WinFast GeForce based graphics cards are 100% compatible
with the AGP 2.0 spec. All current Leadtek WinFast GeForce and Titanium
based graphics cards are able to support this special Intel chipset
requirements.
Regards Thunder
Roland Scheidegger
> It depends on the motherboard ASUS is good but even they don't keep up to
> date on hardware changes. AGP 1.0 supported 1X & 2X video cards but with the
> advent of AGP 2.0 things got a bit sticky AGP 2.0 READ BELOW!!
> Different between AGP 1.0 and 2.0 Slot:
>
> All GeForce line of graphics cards required AGP 2.0 slot support from
> motherboard. The main different between the AGP 1.0 and 2.0 is the 2.0 has
> extra 3.3v support. Without this extra 3.3v from the AGP slot, GeForce
> graphics cards will not function properly. Most recent released motherboards
> should have AGP 2.0 slot design, but some old motherboard sometime will show
> up as 1.0. These motherboards sometime will work if the makers have enabled
> the 3.3V support for the AGP slot in the 1.0 design. Users with these type
> motherboards should contact their maker for more information on
> compatibility issues.
2.0 operates on 1.5V signal levels, agp 1.0 operates at 3.3V signal
levels. But all cards (up to now) support both 1.5V and 3.3V signaling.
It is however true that the original agp 1.0 specification didn't
mention maximum amperage at 3.3V, but this has been included in a
specification update to the agp 1.0 specification. So, boards which
honor that update (all boards out there with a bx chipset should really
do that) won't have problems, but they still only have a agp 1.0 slot.
> ***** Update ***** ( 1/18/02)
> The new Intel 845, 850 chipset requires graphics card support AGP 2.0, 1.5V
> spec. This voltage requirement is included in the standard AGP 2.0 spec. and
> all current Leadtek WinFast GeForce based graphics cards are 100% compatible
> with the AGP 2.0 spec. All current Leadtek WinFast GeForce and Titanium
> based graphics cards are able to support this special Intel chipset
> requirements.
This is not really a special requirement. Other chipsets (nForce,
nForce2, don't know about some others) have the same requirement (they
are no longer agp 1.0 compliant). Of course, all graphic cards newer
than 2 years or so are agp 2.0 compliant.
Roland
Matt
Yes you can. It is backward compatible. Just a question: why stick to
ATi or Nvidia. You can use the cheapest version of the
Matrox Millennium G450/G550 also. They do not draw a lot of power.
And for XP drivers: I use a Matrox G200 (even older) on my P2B and
it has good working drivers for XP.
Thunder
Nvidia White Pages as well as Tyan's site in response to problems people
where having with Nvidia's GeForce GPU based cards.
I have quite a few PC's, two are Dual PIII 500 both based on the BX chipset
one from Tyan the other from Supermicro, from my own experience the GeForce
256DDR, 2GTS, 2MX, 3 and 4 all work on the BX board, but are flaky they are
prone not to start-up properly (no display, just like MSI KT266 boards and
the Geforce 4MX440)
Thunder
"Roland Scheidegger" <rschei...@gmx.ch> wrote in message
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Roland Scheidegger
the datasheets ;-) (for instance, a lot of graphic cards are advertized
as "AGP 4x/2x" compatible or similar even if they really mean it's a AGP
2.0 card supporting AGP 4X/2X/1X and also compatible to AGP 1.0 with
1x/2x speeds. But that "AGP 4x/2x" doesn't mean anything - you could
easily build a fully AGP 2.0 compliant card which supports 4x/2x/1x and
is NOT compatible with AGP 1.0).
These bootup problems seem interesting, however. It could be possible
the onboard vrm doesn't stabilize the voltage fast enough after poweron
(maybe a cheap psu could make it worse) or something similar - but could
also be a bios problem.
Roland
Sadar
onboard vrm doesn't stabilize the voltage fast enough after poweron (maybe
a cheap psu could make it worse) or something similar - but could also be a
bios problem."
As far as the TNT & Geforce 2/gts/ultra series went there was a design
problem regards the way power was regulated on the referance designs. Some
companies which produce Nvidia video cards such as Leadtek realised this and
modified the initial design. Unfortunatly Creative and many others did not
so the legacy of this prob continued.
First encountered it myself with a Creative Geforce2GTS and an Abit BH6 mobo
then on there BH6-II and finally also on the KT7 & KT7-A mobo's.
After mailing Abit and they supplied me with a motherboard power regulation
mod. with exception of the KT7 & KT7A.
Sure enough as Roland speculated the regulation onboard the mobo does not
trigger quick enough. As far as the Abit boards went 1 capacitor is replaced
to "slow down" the initial trigger time and allow the onboard regulation to
stabilise.
Once done everything works OK!
Thankfully the A7V333 I currently use so far has worked flawlessly with
every card used on it even the Gforce2GTS :-)
So, try mailing ASUS & ask if any mods were made to there mobo's in the past
regards Nvidia cards you never know your luck
Sadar
Thunder
It also true about the vrm been flaky, but in this case its the Tyan
1836DLUAN board that is at fault been AGP 1.0 it hasn't got the extra 3.3v
support, as a result the video card donsn't always get the start-up voltage
it needs. A reset after initale boot normally fixes the problem. I ruled out
the possilblity of a cheap psu causing the problem for I use a Supermicro
Dual Redundant Hot Swap Power Supply
System Specs
Processor(s)
Model : 2x Intel(R) Pentium(R) III
Speed : 515MHz
Performance Rating : PR1236 (estimated)
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC synchronous write-back
Mainboard and BIOS
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI PCI64 IMB USB SMBus/i2c
MP Support : 2 CPU(s)
MP APIC : Yes
System BIOS : American Megatrends Inc. 063100
Mainboard : Tyan Computer Corp. Intel 440BX/GX
System Chipset : Intel Corporation 82443BX/ZX 440BX/ZX CPU to PCI Bridge
(AGP Implemented)
Front Side Bus Speed : 1x 103MHz (103MHz data rate)
Installed Memory : 512MB SDRAM
Memory Bus Speed : 1x 103MHz (103MHz data rate)
Video System
Monitor/Panel : LG795FT
Adapter : NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Ultra
Physical Storage Devices
Removable Drive : Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive : WDC WD136BA (12.7GB)
Disk Drive : WDC WD136BA (12.7GB)
Disk Drive : IMG VP0
Disk Drive : SEAGATE ST136403LC SCSI Disk Device (36.0GB)
Disk Drive : SEAGATE ST136403LC SCSI Disk Device (36.0GB)
Disk Drive : SEAGATE ST136403LC SCSI Disk Device (36.0GB)
Disk Drive : SEAGATE ST118273W SCSI Disk Device (17.0GB)
Disk Drive : SEAGATE ST34572WS SCSI Disk Device (4.0GB)
CD-ROM/DVD : CREATIVE CD-RW RW1210E (CD 32X Rd, 12X Wr)
Peripherals
Serial/Parallel Port(s) : 2 COM / 1 LPT
USB Controller/Hub : Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
Keyboard : Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse : Microsoft PS/2 Mouse
Mouse : Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Explorer
Human Interface : Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Explorer
MultiMedia Device(s)
Device : Pinnacle WDM PCTV Video Capture
Device : Creative SB Live! Basic (WDM)
Communication Device(s)
Device : NetComm Roadster II 56 Ultra PnP ( AM5690 )
Operating System(s)
Windows System : Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional Ver 5.00.2195 Service
Pack 2
Network Adapter(s)
Networking Installed : Yes
Adapter : Intel(R) PRO/100+ Management Adapter
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"Thunder" <data*****@ozem***.com.au> wrote in message
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> Quite true but data sheets are also published officially ;-)
>
If you are refering to full mobo circuit diagrams & ammendments you must
have friends in high places :-)
Took a lot of sweet talking Abit to part with the info, they ideally wanted
me to send them the mobo's for updating themselves.