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Rudy Lacchin

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Apr 5, 2007, 6:32:37 PM4/5/07
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I've just bought an EOS-400D. The manual says you can use non-Canon
flashguns with it but I can't work it out!

The gun (a Starblitz) fires correctly on another camera's hot-shoe. I've
been throught all the menus and options on the EOS and there doesn't seem to
be anything to set and I've tried all the shooting modes. It seems to
recognise that there's a external gun attached because it refuses to flip
open the built-in flash.

Anyone here use an EOS with an external, non-Speedlite? What am I doing
wrong?!

TIA,
R.

King Sardon

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Apr 5, 2007, 6:54:58 PM4/5/07
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What is the flash not doing? Is it not firing? Or is it firing but not
exposing an image??

Maybe the Starblitz is firing on the Rebel pre-flash. The shutter is
still closed then. The Wein safe-sync might be able to help with that.
http://www.weinproducts.com/safesyncs.htm

KS

Joseph Meehan

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Apr 5, 2007, 7:09:13 PM4/5/07
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I hope that is a low trigger voltage modern flash. I believe that
flashes with high trigger voltages can damage the flash circuits in the
camera.

--
Joseph Meehan

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OldBoy

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Apr 6, 2007, 2:50:27 AM4/6/07
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"Rudy Lacchin" <rulaREM...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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All you need to know:
http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/

OldBoy


Rudy Lacchin

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Apr 6, 2007, 8:20:45 AM4/6/07
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"Rudy Lacchin" <rulaREM...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I've just bought an EOS-400D. The manual says you can use non-Canon
> flashguns with it but I can't work it out!

Thanks for your replies. The problem is, it's not firing at all on the EOS.
It fires okay on other SLRs. It's not a dedicated unit for another camera.

I've read the comment in the manual about using both camera and flash in
manual mode at 1/200 sec, but my Starblitz obviously hasn't read the manual!

Thanks again for your suggestions but unfortunately, as I've already warned
my Financial Advisor, it looks as though I will need to buy a Speedlite.
*:)

R.


Dr. Joel M. Hoffman

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Apr 6, 2007, 9:17:36 AM4/6/07
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>Anyone here use an EOS with an external, non-Speedlite? What am I doing
>wrong?!

I use a Sunpak with the Canon 30D. Work great.

-Joel

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Bill Funk

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Apr 6, 2007, 1:37:38 PM4/6/07
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There are other choices, for that camera.
Sigma makes the EF 500 DG Super that will work very well with the
400D, and it sells for $239 at B&H.
BTW, I use this flash with my 30D.

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Skip

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Apr 6, 2007, 5:07:51 PM4/6/07
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Are the SLRs it fires on digital or film? Canon or otherwise? Non ETTL
enabled flashes will not fire on Canon Digital SLRs, as far as I know.

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Apr 7, 2007, 8:17:39 AM4/7/07
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:20:45 GMT, "Rudy Lacchin"
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I DO hope she is understanding! :)

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Skip

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Apr 7, 2007, 11:51:02 PM4/7/07
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"Gisle Hannemyr" <gisle...@ifi.uio.no> wrote in message
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> "Rudy Lacchin" <rulaREM...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>> "Rudy Lacchin" <rulaREM...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>>> I've just bought an EOS-400D. The manual says you can use non-Canon
>>> flashguns with it but I can't work it out!
>
>> Thanks for your replies. The problem is, it's not firing at all on
>> the EOS. It fires okay on other SLRs. It's not a dedicated unit
>> for another camera.
>>
>> I've read the comment in the manual about using both camera and
>> flash in manual mode at 1/200 sec, but my Starblitz obviously hasn't
>> read the manual!
>
> I haven't tried a Starblitz, but all non-dedicated flashes I've
> tried do indeed work on a 400D.
>
> One thing to try is to put insulating tape over the "extra" pins for
> E-TTL control, leaving only the center pin and edge of the hotshoe
> unexposed.
>
> See also:
> http://hannemyr.com/photo/flash.html
> --
> - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://hannemyr.com/photo/ ]

I just tried my old 540EZ and my daughter's Rebel Xt, and it does not fire.
It is a Canon dedicated flash, just not for the ETTL enabled cameras.

OldBoy

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Apr 8, 2007, 2:17:22 AM4/8/07
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"Skip" <shadow...@cox.net> wrote in message
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From http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/#faq4
"Canon digital cameras can only use Canon Speedlite flash models with names
ending in EX. If your Canon flash unit has a model name which ends with E or
EZ or anything else then it will not work with any Canon digital EOS
camera."

OldBoy


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Skip

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Apr 8, 2007, 8:39:26 AM4/8/07
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"Gisle Hannemyr" <gisle...@ifi.uio.no> wrote in message
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> "Skip" <shadow...@cox.net> writes:
>> "Gisle Hannemyr" <gisle...@ifi.uio.no> wrote in message
>>> "Rudy Lacchin" <rulaREM...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
>>>> I've read the comment in the manual about using both camera and
>>>> flash in manual mode at 1/200 sec, but my Starblitz obviously hasn't
>>>> read the manual!
>
>>> I haven't tried a Starblitz, but all non-dedicated flashes I've
>>> tried do indeed work on a 400D.
>
>>> One thing to try is to put insulating tape over the "extra" pins for
>>> E-TTL control, leaving only the center pin and edge of the hotshoe
>>> unexposed.
>>>
>>> See also:
>>> http://hannemyr.com/photo/flash.html
>
>> I just tried my old 540EZ and my daughter's Rebel Xt, and it does
>> not fire. It is a Canon dedicated flash, just not for the ETTL
>> enabled cameras.
>
> Did you put insulating tape over the "extra" pins in the hotshoe for
> E-TTL control, and set the flash to operate in manual mode?

No and yes.

Robert Coe

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Apr 8, 2007, 11:27:12 AM4/8/07
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:17:22 +0200, "OldBoy" <noboe...@planet.nl> wrote:
: "Skip" <shadow...@cox.net> wrote in message
: news:REZRh.145161$907....@newsfe13.phx...
: > I just tried my old 540EZ and my daughter's Rebel Xt, and it does not
: > fire. It is a Canon dedicated flash, just not for the ETTL enabled
: > cameras.
:
: From http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/#faq4
: "Canon digital cameras can only use Canon Speedlite flash models with names
: ending in EX. If your Canon flash unit has a model name which ends with E or
: EZ or anything else then it will not work with any Canon digital EOS
: camera."

Well, here's what the 400D manual itself says on the subject:

"Canon Speedlites other than the EX-series
The flash cannot be fired with an EZ/E/EG/ML/TL-series Speedlite set in the
TTL or A-TTL autoflash mode. Use the Speedlite's manual flash mode instead if
provided."

Bob

oz

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Apr 30, 2007, 5:33:42 AM4/30/07
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Rudy Lacchin wrote:

-8<-

> Anyone here use an EOS with an external, non-Speedlite? What am I doing
> wrong?!
>

I own an EOS400d and have a non canon speedlite alike flash (luxon
powerzoom 360AFC). That one used to work flawlessly on my canon eos-IX slr.

It seemed logical to me it would work the same way on my EOS 400D. I did
revert to manual mode on the flash to get some use out of it, since I
had problems with it as well. It did fire, but that was about it.

My EOS 400D came with firmware 1.0.4. This morning I have downloaded
firmware version 1.0.5. Things that were fixed in the firmware:

This firmware update (Version 1.0.5) incorporates the following fixes
and improvement.:

1. Fixes the printing of lens names when using PictBridge.
2. [Redeye 1] can now be selected when connecting with specific printers.
3. Improves the reliability of communication with the Speedlite 380EX.

After the update I hooked up my flash, and it does work like normal again.

So I would suggest checking what firmware your EOS-400D runs, and if it
does not run 1.0.5 update yours.

Here's the link for the download and the steps to take:

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital3/e4kr3_firmware-e.html

Hope this helps.

Oz

Robert Coe

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May 10, 2007, 10:00:07 PM5/10/07
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I wonder if "improvement" no. 3 applies also to the 580EX. What I do know is
that I've been unhappy with the performance of the 580EX I bought for my XTi.
Sometimes I get excellent results, but frequently the combination underexposes
by a stop or two. And once in a while I'll get a truly bizarre overexposure
that results in a totally unrecoverable picture. I guess I'll just do the
upgrade and hope for the best.

Bob

Robert Coe

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Dec 23, 2011, 3:59:31 PM12/23/11
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:00:07 -0400, I <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
I've only very recently observed the cause of that "truly bizarre
overexposure": The flash unit spontaneously shifts into "TTL" mode, and
therefore fires only at full power on any E-TTL ("Type A") Canon DSLR. I've
had it happen during recent photo shoots on both a 7D and a 50D. The most
recent time (on the 50D), I was able to get it back into E-TTL mode only by
removing the batteries and letting it sit for a few minutes unpowered.
(Cycling the power switch and/or pushing the "Mode" button had no effect.) Has
anyone else seen anything similar? Is there a fix, or is my 580EX circling the
drain? My wife and I each have a 580EX II, and I haven't seen the problem on
either of those units.

Bob
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