OT - Microsoft newsgroups

[Newyana2]

Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.

[Paul]

This is the status of Eternal September.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cm2v8kkbbds.fsf%40raybanana.net%3E

"Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:38:23 +0100

More than 11 years after Microsoft closed down their news server and the
microsoft support groups, and in the light of the current influx of spam
from Google to the microsft.* groups, this hierarchy has now been
removed from Eternal-September.
"

*******

AIOE had a RAID failure a week ago (not a "degrade", a complete
and utter "fail").

It will be a number of weeks, to bring it up from scratch.
Reinstall INN. Redo all the peering, and so on.

At the current time, the rental machine in the COLO, answers
a ping on just one address, and that is about the level of
support you get in a COLO. When local DNS is re-added to the machine,
then the multiple machine names will work again.

Paul

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Per Paul said, Micro$oft has switched to web-based forums.

Microsoft Community
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us

[David E. Ross]

Both AIOE and Eternal September have:
alt.comp.lang.vbscript
alt.windows-xp

However, neither of them seem to be very active. Also AIOE is down and
there is no estimate how long it will take for it to be up.

--

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<http://www.rossde.com/>.

The only reason we have so many laws is that not enough people will do
the right thing. (© 1997 by David Ross)

[😉 Good Guy 😉]

It is time to dump the neo-Nazi and Mussolini servers and start using BlockNews.net. Their price is quite reasonable. You'll pay $2.00 for 5GB data downloads that never expires unless you use all of it for spamming and trolling. I have got $50.00 plan that will last me for a lifetime.

Nazi's will use a sledge hammer to crack a nut so they can't be sane human beings. If they don't like GG then block it but to shut down the entire hierarchy says something about their mental state.

Arrest

Dictator Putin

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With Ukraine

Stop Putin

Ukraine Under Attack

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So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's.

Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning

[Newyana2]

Thanks to you both. It sounds like maybe AIOE will eventually
bring them back. It's a shame with E-S. As you noted, David, there
are alternatives, but the MS groups were the only ones being
used. The VB6 group has actually been fairly active recently.

[Rink]

Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:

Which is a pity,
especially for microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
which is the busiest English language newsgroup
for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.

You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
- paganini.bofh.team
- freenews.netfront.net

Both are free newsservers.
If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
groups anymore.


Rink

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
> Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
>> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:

...

> Which is a pity,
> especially for  microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
> which is the busiest English language newsgroup
> for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
>
> You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
> -    paganini.bofh.team
> -    freenews.netfront.net
>
> Both are free newsservers.
> If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
> groups anymore.

I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but
no idea if they work.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Newyana2]

"Rink" <rink.hof.ha...@planet.nl> wrote

| You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
| - paganini.bofh.team
| - freenews.netfront.net
|
| Both are free newsservers.
| If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
| groups anymore.
|

I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
Chinese website.

Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
$30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
online.

[John Hall]

In message <trj4be$1ffi2$1...@dont-email.me>, Newyana2
<Newy...@invalid.nospam> writes

> Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than $30
>to make a bank transfer

Good grief! That's daylight robbery.
--
John Hall "Do you have cornflakes in America?"
"Well, actually, they're American."
"So what brings you to Britain then if you have cornflakes already?"
Bill Bryson: "Notes from a Small Island"

[Carlos E. R.]

In Spain, and probably in the rest of the EU, making the transfer is
gratis and safe, if done using the bank web page. If I go to the bank
office then there is a fee, but not much.

I have been paying them for some years now.

I also have been using Paypal for some years, no issues.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Jim the Geordie]

In article <trgeb1$tcg3$1...@dont-email.me>, Newy...@invalid.nospam
says...

They are still there on Paganini server

--
Jim the Geordie

[Paul]

There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
a flood :-)

The flood conducted via AIOE, resulted in the admin getting
angry and doing some stuff he shouldn't have. One of the
few times I saw Paolo lose his cool.

The little things add up, so "we can't have nice things".

Paul

[Newyana2]

"Carlos E. R." <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote

| I also have been using Paypal for some years, no issues.
|

A few yers ago I was making a side income selling my
shareware. Paypal showed up, which presented an easier
way for people to pay. But they insisted that software
authors open a bank account under their control. There
were horror stories of PP taking out peoples' money and
not returning it. It turned out they were not just a payment
service. They wanted optimum customer satisfaction, but
wanted the merchaants to be responsible. So if someone
bought software and then changed their mind, the author
would lose the payment *plus* the fee. Eventually, selling
software was threatening to cost money rather than gain it.

So I avoid PP partly out of principle, and partly because
they're just yet another unnecessary middleman sucking
money out of the transaction.

[Jim the Geordie]

In article <trj4be$1ffi2$1...@dont-email.me>, Newy...@invalid.nospam
says...

Paganini seems fine posting and receiving

--
Jim the Geordie

[Ant]

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <trj4be$1ffi2$1...@dont-email.me>, Newyana2
> <Newy...@invalid.nospam> writes
> > Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than $30
> >to make a bank transfer

> Good grief! That's daylight robbery.

Same for banks. Dang fees. :(
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[Ant]

And PP wants my banking info. No thanks.

[Ant]

I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
--
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[Ant]

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:

Hopefully, AIOE can come back. :/
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[Ant]

Same for Giganews and Supernews.

[Carlos E.R.]

Fair enough.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[😉 Good Guy 😉]

On 03/02/2023 18:17, Newyana2 wrote:

But they insisted that software
authors open a bank account under their control. 

False. they don't insist anything. They need details of your bank account so that they can pay you using that account. They don't use cheques to pay their customers. Nobody uses cheques because of extra cost involved - postage and manpower (including post room).

  So I avoid PP partly out of principle, and partly because
they're just yet another unnecessary middleman sucking
money out of the transaction. 

They are "another middleman" alright but their transaction costs are much less than what a credit card/your bank would charge you for processing customers credit cards. It is not just one credit card; There are many credit cards involved - MasterCard, Visa, Amex, Diners etc etc. They are charging you for your own convenience of processing myriad of credit cards. The cost is very competitive as well. How else can you handle all the different types of credit cards? It's just impossible, especially for a small man/small business with limited workers.

You would do yourself justice if you learn how to tell the truth. Liars don't succeed in life. The day always comes when they will have to face the music.

[Ken Blake]

On Fri, 03 Feb 2023 19:55:04 +0000, a...@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

>In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/2/2023 9:37 pm, Newyana2 wrote:
>> > Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> > I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> > XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> > discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> > the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> > a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>> >
>
>> Per Paul said, Micro$oft has switched to web-based forums.
>
>> Microsoft Community
>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us
>
>I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
>down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
>years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
>over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P

Me too. Welcome to the Old Fart's Club.

[Michael Trew]

On 2/2/2023 10:40, Paul wrote:
> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>
> This is the status of Eternal September.
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cm2v8kkbbds.fsf%40raybanana.net%3E
>
> "Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:38:23 +0100
>
> More than 11 years after Microsoft closed down their news server and the
> microsoft support groups, and in the light of the current influx of spam
> from Google to the microsft.* groups, this hierarchy has now been
> removed from Eternal-September.

Block News is a few bucks for a life-time supply of news. It's far more
reliable and less glitchy than ES. Forget about AIOE. I ditched ES on
most of my newsgroups, but I see that for some reason, I'm still using
ES to post on here. I'll switch that over, eventually.

[Paul]

On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:

Switch to news.mixmin.net:563 . Does not appear
to support port 119.

news.mixmin.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

The E-S admin has removed microsoft.* , according to a post
I just read a minute ago.

It wasn't a threat, could have been an abuse issue.

Port 563 uses TLS/SSL and so there are some news agents
which do not support that. You would use STunnel as your
locally hosted interworking agent, in that case.

mesnews ----- 127.0.0.1:119 --------- stunnel ------- news.mixmin.net:563

The Mixmin server uses LetsEncrypt certificates. Which
in theory can be set up to auto-renew every three months.
But occasionally you will not be able to reach Mixmin
until that certificate issue is sorted. Will LetsEncrypt
cause grief for a Windows XP user ? Probably :-/

AIOE will be down for some time, and will likely be
rebuilt from scratch. It's not the newsgroup that is
the issue with AIOE, it's the whole server which is
not functioning right now. What is working on the server
AIOE, is one address answers a ping, and that is likely
the limit of the responsibility of the COLO rental operator.
You get a running CPU, a network connection, 25TB/mo of
network cap and so on. The RAID array on the AIOE server
failed (not "degraded" as would normally happen on
a single disk failure, but "failed" as in "data recovery time").

Paul (Send via mixmin as confirmation it is operational today)

[Char Jackson]

On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:18:04 -0000, Jim the Geordie <j...@jimXscott.co.uk>
wrote:

Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet server on the planet
stops carrying them, which is something that hasn't happened in many
decades, AFAIK.

Individual servers may decide to stop carrying a specific newsgroup, or
individual servers may have technical issues, but the rest of the Usenet
infrastructure carries on.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 4/2/2023 3:55 am, Ant wrote:
>
> I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
> down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
> years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
> over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P

It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar. Micro$oft could
have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet. It's do-able. They got
the money to do it anyway. ;)

I remember the days of Vsiaul Foxpro being talked about in relevant
Usenet newsgroups.

[Newyana2]

"Paul" <nos...@needed.invalid> wrote

| Switch to news.mixmin.net:563 . Does not appear
| to support port 119.
|
| news.mixmin.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
|

That seems to work, but it looks like only about half
the posts are there. ?

[Paul]

My test was a dismal flop, as propagation through the
server takes a day or two. It's not really healthy
at the moment.

Paul

[Paul]

There are hierarchies managed by the Big-8, and the rest.

I think I have one Big-8 group in my list, and I've never
posted to it.

Back when I was using a Macintosh, I had more interest
in some of the Big-8 groups for that purpose.

The creation rate of groups in Big-8 is just too slow
for the job. That does not mean the process is necessarily
bad as such, but the process is not well suited to the task.
You have to put up with a lot of personal abuse, while
that process grinds on. You really need a group badly,
to put the effort into that process.

Paul

[Andy Burns]

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

> It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar.

You speak as though that happened recently, rather than nearly 13 years ago?

> Micro$oft could have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet.

Actually, MS did implement a forums to NNTP bridge, I never used it so
have no idea how kludgy it was, but I can imagine ...

<https://web.archive.org/web/20100430183455/http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/>

[Carlos E.R.]

For a company doing user support a web forum seems to have advantages.
They (as administrator) can remove posts, remove posters, edit posts
(even of other people), have private messages... Ah, and add photos,
which on Windows issues do help.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Andy Burns]

Paul wrote:

> I think I have one Big-8 group in my list, and I've never
> posted to it.

Similar, my groups are mostly uk.* and alt.*
with just three comp.* groups

[occam]

On 03/02/2023 15:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
>> Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:

>>> On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>

> ...
>
>> Which is a pity,
>> especially for  microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
>> which is the busiest English language newsgroup
>> for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.

>>
>> You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>> -    paganini.bofh.team
>> -    freenews.netfront.net
>>
>> Both are free newsservers.
>> If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>> groups anymore.
>

> I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but
> no idea if they work.
>

I just tried <microsoft.public.windowsxp.general> on
News.Individual.net. It works, and there are plenty of recent (2023)
posts there.

[occam]

P.S: News.Individual.net is not free, but almost free. (10 eur /per year)

[Ken Blake]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 11:21:20 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/2/2023 3:55 am, Ant wrote:
>>
>> I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
>> down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
>> years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
>> over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
>
>It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar. Micro$oft could
>have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet. It's do-able.

Yes, it's doable, and that's the way it used to be when they started
with the web-based forums.

[Ken Blake]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 10:58:37 +0000, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

As a matter to interest to anyone who cares, I have two rec* groups
and the other nine are all alt*.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 4/2/2023 6:51 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> For a company doing user support a web forum seems to have advantages.
> They (as administrator) can remove posts, remove posters, edit posts
> (even of other people), have private messages... Ah, and add photos,
> which on Windows issues do help.

I don't remmeber M$ newsgroups in Usenet being spammed or abused. I
dunno whether they were moderated back then ...

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 4/2/2023 6:55 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
>> It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar.
>
> You speak as though that happened recently, rather than nearly 13 years ago?

My main interest was always Visual Foxpro. Maybe I missed things in
other M$ newsgroups.

(Lately, Foxpro Wikis was offline due to some arguments between famous
people.)

>> Micro$oft could have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet.
>
> Actually, MS did implement a forums to NNTP bridge, I never used it so
> have no idea how kludgy it was, but I can imagine ...
>
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20100430183455/http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/>

You reminded me of this! Thanks.

[Carlos E.R.]

It was another time.

I understand that nntp can be moderated, so probably an administrator
can remove posts (but maybe that doesn't always propagate).

They have more control this way, and people seem to like web forums.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Rink]

Op 3-2-2023 om 17:31 schreef Paul:
> On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> "Rink" <rink.hof.ha...@planet.nl> wrote

>>
>> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>> | - paganini.bofh.team
>> | - freenews.netfront.net
>> |
>> | Both are free newsservers.
>> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>> | groups anymore.
>> |
>>

>>    I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
>> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
>> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
>> Chinese website.

>>
>>     Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than

>> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
>> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
>> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
>> online.
>
> There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
> via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
> taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
> a flood :-)


I think you mean news.neodome.net ......


>
> The flood conducted via AIOE, resulted in the admin getting
> angry and doing some stuff he shouldn't have. One of the
> few times I saw Paolo lose his cool.
>
> The little things add up, so "we can't have nice things".
>
>    Paul

[Paul]

On 2/4/2023 5:32 PM, Rink wrote:
> Op 3-2-2023 om 17:31 schreef Paul:
>> On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> "Rink" <rink.hof.ha...@planet.nl> wrote
>>>
>>> | You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
>>> | - paganini.bofh.team
>>> | - freenews.netfront.net
>>> |
>>> | Both are free newsservers.
>>> | If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
>>> | groups anymore.
>>> |
>>>
>>>    I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
>>> What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
>>> I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
>>> Chinese website.
>>>
>>>     Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
>>> $30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
>>> I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
>>> dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
>>> online.
>>
>> There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
>> via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
>> taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
>> a flood :-)
>
>
> I think you mean news.neodome.net  ......

It's possible it was attacked too, because it was an open server.
I didn't keep records of this stuff.

Paul

[Newyana2]

"Ken Blake" <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote

>As a matter to interest to anyone who cares, I have two rec* groups
and the other nine are all alt*.
>

I have 3 alt, 2 comp, and 3 MS. But it used to be
almost all MS. The comp are for android and
raspberry pi, which I visit only occasionally.

[Frank Slootweg]

[Late response due to extended absence.]

Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.

I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
servers/accounts. If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.

As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.

[Ken Blake]

On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>[Late response due to extended absence.]
>
>Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>
> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>servers/accounts.

I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can

Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.

>If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.

I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?

[Bill Bradshaw]

Ken Blake wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>
>> Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple
>> news servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.
>
>
>> If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>> some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?
>

I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.
--
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[Frank Slootweg]

Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >
> >Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >
> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.

It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)

> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

Several such servers were mentioned in this (long) thread, but why not
just look on 'your' server!? :-)

[Andy Burns]

Bill Bradshaw wrote:

> I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.

But how many are getting new messages?

If anyone can recommend a good group for MSMQ I'd welcome it.

[Ken Blake]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 08:41:26 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw" <brad...@gci.net>
wrote:

So do I. I must have mistyped Microsoft when I did a search on it
before posting. Sorry, and thanks.

[Ken Blake]

On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>

wrote:

>Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
>> >
>> >Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>> >servers/accounts.
>>
>>
>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>
>> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>> it was Windows 98.
>
> It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
>uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)

New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.

>
>> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>>
>> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
>> servers that still carry any?
>
> Several such servers were mentioned in this (long) thread, but why not
>just look on 'your' server!? :-)

I did and didn't find any. See the other message I sent moments ago.

[Paul]

On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

Yes.

See, new traffic.

https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

But you can't get headers there. (It might require logging in
and the function might still be disabled for all I know.)

What read-only servers can a person consult ?

Well, there is a server, which closed to posting after
the mid-year 2022 posting flood. I've been using it for
testing of slrn in Win11 bash shell (because it has a
legacy OVERVIEW.FMT message).

export NNTPSERVER=news.netfront.net

slrn --create # populate ~/.jnewsrc with groups

Connecting to host news.netfront.net ... # port 119

grep ^microsoft .jnewsrc | wc -l # count the groups, returns "1772"

grep windowsxp .jnewsrc # returns "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general"
# and a bunch more.

By adding that server to your Thunderbird or similar NNTP
client, you can do header analysis, and see where we're posting from.

See, easy :-)

This is what SLRN looks like in bash shell on Windows 11.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/nrNw1Yf1/some-kinda-hobby2.gif

The beauty of the Internet, is none of it is reliable.
In the tap water sense. Enjoy whatcha got, while it lasts.
We've waited around a month or six weeks, for that
server to come back to operation.

Paul

[Ken Blake]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:22:56 -0400, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>>
>> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
>> servers that still carry any?
>
>Yes.

Thanks.

[Frank Slootweg]

Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Ken Blake <K...@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> >> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >> >
> >> >Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >> >servers/accounts.
> >>
> >> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
> >>
> >> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> >> it was Windows 98.
> >
> > It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
> >uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
>
> New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.

Not you, Mayayana. Why does he have a new nym?

[...]

[Jim the Geordie]

In article <o67h1il1qbe8v3dm7...@4ax.com>,
K...@invalid.news.com says...

>
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:22:56 -0400, Paul <nos...@needed.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> >> servers that still carry any?
> >
> >Yes.
>
> Thanks.
>
>

Paganini
--
Jim the Geordie

[Ken Blake]

On 20 Mar 2023 18:07:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>

Sorry, I misunderstood.

> Why does he have a new nym?

Beats me.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>
>> Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>> servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can

No, Thunderbird can not.

You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.

In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

[Paul]

When you have two computers, a WinXP one and a Win10 one,
there is a good chance the News Agent is set up differently.

When I copied my profile folder from WinXP to a later OS,
that tends to keep your identifiers the same. But not
all tools make the profile an obvious thing to copy. Like if you
were using Forte Agent, where are your "details" stored ? Dunno.

Paul

[Marco Moock]

Am 20.03.2023 um 08:48:05 Uhr schrieb Ken Blake:

> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >
> >Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.

MS discontinued them and switched off the nntp server at MS - other
servers still carried it.

> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.

It was XP.

> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

news.solani.org has them, registration is free.

[Frank Slootweg]

Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> [Late response due to extended absence.]
> >>
> >> Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >> servers/accounts.
> >
> >
> > I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> No, Thunderbird can not.
>
> You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
> you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.

But can't you have a 'global inbox' like you can for e-mail, so that
all your articles from multiple servers are in one 'view'? (I use a
global inbox for e-mail in Thunderbird, but do not use thunderbird for
news.)

> In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
> multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.

I also use a local proxy server (Hamster), but with a different
newsreader (tin).

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-03-21 14:33, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>>>
>>>> Newyana2 <Newy...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>>>> servers/accounts.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>
>> No, Thunderbird can not.
>>
>> You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
>> you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.
>
> But can't you have a 'global inbox' like you can for e-mail, so that
> all your articles from multiple servers are in one 'view'? (I use a
> global inbox for e-mail in Thunderbird, but do not use thunderbird for
> news.)

No, I do not see a global something for news. Each server aka account
gets a separate entry on the left panel, with all the subscribed group
on that server.

>> In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
>> multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.
>
> I also use a local proxy server (Hamster), but with a different
> newsreader (tin).

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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