Re: Linux screws up again, loses data on Phoenix Mars lander
Christopher Mills Wolfe
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer
software.
>
> On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands
of
> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
Interesting read. I did not see any reference to the brand of software. I
was under the impression that most colleges use UNIX. Well it's late and
my eyes are tired so maybe I missed something.
Bruce Coryell
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer software.
>
> On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands of
> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
>
>
>
Darrell Stec
According to this website, you would be right in the case of the Phoenix
Mars lander:
http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=blog&blog_id=980000298&blog_post_id=1530028553
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Darrell Stec
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer software.
>
> On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands of
> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
Wow a shill for Microsoft. This is a link explaining the operating system
for the Phoenix Mars lander, and it does not mention Linux at all:
http://tinyurl.com/3s4ap6
J.O. Aho
> Sun Shines wrote:
>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>>
>> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
>> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix�s computer software.
>>
>> On Tuesday, the spacecraft�s computer memory filled up with thousands of
>> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
>> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
>> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
>
> Wow a shill for Microsoft. This is a link explaining the operating system
> for the Phoenix Mars lander, and it does not mention Linux at all:
> http://tinyurl.com/3s4ap6
>
The Mars lander uses VxWorks, which is 6 years older than Linux, there
are some articles hinting that it's based on VRTX, which in it's turn is
11 years older than Linux.
But luckily the Mars lander don't use microsoft, for then they would
have to wait 18 months or longer to get the proper patch.
--
//Aho
J.O. Aho
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer software.
>
> On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands of
> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
VxWorks is an embedded RTOS which has nothing to do with Linux, it may
share roots with VRTX, both had their first release long before Linus
did even think of making anything like an operating system.
As you didn't want your post be remembered, I did take the liberty to
post the header:
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Subject: Linux screws up again, loses data on Phoenix Mars lander
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//Aho
ray
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer
software.
>
> On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands
of
> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
It is entirely possible, of course, to write problematic applications with
any operating system. Where is proof that the OS was to blame?
veganagev
i worked with mars for ages...... since no one's done anything really
interesting.
fuck it..
and fuck your impressions of it and linux.
what the hell are YOU going on about? huh? what's that? speak louder?
oh? you don't have a CLUE?
ah, that's what i thought you said.
bye bye wannabee.. unless you were there..
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
"Sun Shines" <suns...@sun.com> wrote in message
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veganagev
off.
there's no linux!
get it?
this asshole pretends to be there.
no you that has not...
we can do without you.. except for the TAX DOLLAR
now... eat shit and die.
bye bye
"Christopher Mills Wolfe" <cav...@commspeed.net> wrote in message
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veganagev
now fuck off.
amazing how folks will believe their crap.
like i said... unless you were there.
(and yes, you are not only totally UNSURE but you don't work with the gov.
on the space exploration bullshit which means jack and shit even the
international space station.... you FAT ASSES stuck with your aunts and
mothers.. stop pretending you know what is going on and go back to babbages
and give your customers those discount cards... and eat your god damned
hotdogs and energy drinks.)
fatasses.
"Bruce Coryell" <bcor...@chesco.com> wrote in message
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veganagev
heh.... basement living has it's.. emotional debaugheries.
"Darrell Stec" <darrel...@webpagesorcery.com> wrote in message
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veganagev
don't expand their header options
pheh.
"J.O. Aho" <us...@example.net> wrote in message
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veganagev
waiting for that dominos pizza guy to knock on your door.. well your aunt's
door.
hell, isn't it?
"ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
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Darrell Stec
But again, Microsoft has been known to pay shill who would either insinuate
such things as shiny's post, or directly and falsely claim that the lander
runs Linux.
ray
> proof if your aunt is out shopping for your junk food and you're still
> waiting for that dominos pizza guy to knock on your door.. well your
> aunt's door.
>
>
>
>
> hell, isn't it?
>
What's that? You still haven't shown me that the OS was to blame - or that
the OS was Linux. As I indicated, one can write a bad application for any
OS.
Christopher Mills Wolfe
After reading some of the later posts. It appears that LINUX was NOT the
OS used and that in fact the OS may not be the problem. Therefore I have
used the Pan newsreaders Ignore Author and re-score function to remove
the unsubstantiated vitriol posted by a certain individual. Ah....isn't
technology wonderful.
veganagev
who CARES what o.s. or which administrator and dingbatted asshole in charge
was to blame.
get a girlfriend.
"ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
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J.O. Aho
> Oh look. A netko0k who likes to publish headers of posts he
> doesn't like.
> What's good for one is good for all.
Just don't like people who uses X-No-Archive and trolls.
--
//Aho
ray
> you need a life....
>
>
> who CARES what o.s. or which administrator and dingbatted asshole in
> charge was to blame.
>
>
> get a girlfriend.
>
>
Have a WIFE - what in hell does that have to do with it? Also have a life;
probably a lot more interesting than yours.
Ivan Marsh
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer software.
>
> On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands of
> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
Get a new hobby.
--
"Remain calm, we're here to protect you!"
void
Hehe....that is wonderful. I had never used that before. So easy. Just
set to ignore author and it rescored all his posts and the drivel just
went away!
Ben
up, it could easily have been a userland program. And it doesn't say
anywhere that the OS they used was Linux or even that it was a Unix-like OS.
King of the R.O.U.S.'s
> A "glitch in the software" does not mean that it was the OS that messed
> up, it could easily have been a userland program. And it doesn't say
> anywhere that the OS they used was Linux or even that it was a Unix-like OS.
Yea, but the OP new that for anything like this windoze would never be up
to the task so assumed it would be Linux in charge of things.
~Inigo
Robert Hartung
have crashed into the sun and would have never made it to mars.
Linux os rocks, I only wish I could buy preconfigured laptop desktop
in my local computer store. Whenever I say I want Linux, they look at
me like, I'm a nut! Yea, none of them like Vista; I have to say Vista
has to be the worst os Microsoft ever made.
98/XP were not to bad, but vista people are asking me all the time how
to uninstall it and return to XP. Bill Gates has totally lost it with
Vista, maybe that's why he retired. I been havingmuch better luck
turning people on to Linux thanks to vista, thanks Bill...
Robert Hartung
Lakeland, FL
http://www.roberthartung.com/
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:22:58 +0000 (UTC), Sun Shines
<suns...@sun.com> wrote:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
>"...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
>was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer software.
>
>On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands of
>copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
>photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
>Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
>
>
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e-vamp
> Yea, right! I will say this, if they had installed windows os it would
> have crashed into the sun and would have never made it to mars.
>
> Linux os rocks, I only wish I could buy preconfigured laptop desktop
> in my local computer store. Whenever I say I want Linux, they look at
> me like, I'm a nut! Yea, none of them like Vista; I have to say Vista
> has to be the worst os Microsoft ever made.
>
> 98/XP were not to bad, but vista people are asking me all the time how
> to uninstall it and return to XP. Bill Gates has totally lost it with
> Vista, maybe that's why he retired. I been havingmuch better luck
> turning people on to Linux thanks to vista, thanks Bill...
>
> Robert Hartung
>
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:22:58 +0000 (UTC), Sun Shines
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> >"...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> >was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer software.
>
> >On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands of
> >copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> >photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> >Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
>
ladies and gents, men with no girlfriends!
Claude Hopper
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer software.
>
> On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands of
> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
>
>
>
--
Claude Hopper ? 3 :) 7/8
Ben
And can you imagine the impression aliens would get if they picked up a
spacecraft with a Windows operating system? Doesn't cast much of a
positive image on the intelligence of the human race, that's for sure.
sfb
> so this is what you thrive on?
>
> i worked with mars for ages...... since no one's done anything really
> interesting.
>
Basil V. Fitze
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>
> "...The eventful findings on Thursday follow a day when no science work
> was performed, because of a glitch with the Phoenix’s computer software.
>
> On Tuesday, the spacecraft’s computer memory filled up with thousands of
> copies of housekeeping data, which prevented science data like
> photographs from being saved overnight, and the photographs were lost.
> Engineers spent Wednesday diagnosing the problem."
>
>
>
version of UNIX and not Linux. Even if is Linux running on the Phoenix
its the software running on Linux/BSD/UNIX that casused the problem
your focusing on the wrong reason. If, god forbid, it ran Windows would
we be blaming Windows.
Please why can't people think before they comment, so far most of the
comments on these supposable Linux hating groups have really no clue
what thier talking about.
Its just bitching for the sake of bitching.
'For all other haters of Linux, Just don't use it your crap under our
boots anyway.'
jellybean stonerfish
> Why blame Linux I am sure we are seeing the result of Proprietary
> version of UNIX and not Linux. Even if is Linux running on the Phoenix
> its the software running on Linux/BSD/UNIX that casused the problem
> your focusing on the wrong reason. If, god forbid, it ran Windows would
> we be blaming Windows.
You know damn well that if it was running Windows, we would blame
everything on Windows. Even if the rocket blew up on takeoff, we would
blame Windows.
wisdomkiller & pain
> Sun Shines wrote:
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/science/space/20mars.html?ref=science
>>
WTF about replying to a thread, that died in June (06/2008)?
R.I.P.
Bruce Coryell
No. 1, no data was lost. No.2. The OS involved is not Linux, it's
Wind River. But Phoenix is nearing the end of its life, it served us
well.
coffee
To me it sounds like windows didnt even make the cut to get into space.
Cant you just see it? Windows on a spacecraft?
"Cant find NTLOADER"
" A fatal exception error has occured"
" Windows needs to reboot for your changes to take effect"
" No Driver found"
" Please insert your registration key"
To me, Windows always reminded me of a hore.
- Full of viruses.
- Has a tendency to crash.
- Costs alot of money.
- Have to register.
caver1
Sorry but you have an invalid copy of windows. Shutting down.
King of the R.O.U.S.'s
> Sorry but you have an invalid copy of windows.
So the same as the rest of them then?
~Inigo
pk.elektron
A computer obeys the person that programmed it. Blame humanity, not
the operating system.
Johann Beretta
>>
>
> A computer obeys the person that programmed it. Blame humanity, not
> the operating system.
Bit flips happen all the time. One stray cosmic ray hits your RAM just
right and you get a bit flip.
Sometimes computers fuck up without any human interaction. Has nothing
to do with the OS or Humans. Sometimes it's just a random cosmic ray
and that's bad luck.