All Picked out.....what do u think???
Robert
and done with ......what do you guys think.....this is my first
machine.....should i have an easy time building this ??? I cannot stop
thinking about building this computer.....and all i have to do is shop at 3
places......Compusa, Harddrive.com, NewEgg.com..........and all the parts
will be done.....but gotta wait another week to build this.......any
comments are welcome.....The Radeon Card , Sound Blaster, and Monitor ....i
will pick up later....since i already have integrated sound....and a monitor
already.....and i will pick up a cheap video card to throw in this thing
until i can get the Radeon
here it is
Case Aluminum Blue Chenming 601 w/ Full Size Window $
149.00
Power Supply Antec Power supply True480 with Blue LED Fan $
100.00
Processor Pentium 4 3.06 GHz $ 532.00
Memory Corsair TWINX512-3200LL 512MB DDR400 XMS3200 Dual-Channel
Memory $ 181.00
Motherboard Asus P4G8X Deluxe $ 209.00
Hard Drive Maxtor 80.0GB w/ 8MB cache buffer, 7200RPM $
89.99
CD-RW Blue Lite-On 52x24x52 $ 74.00
Floppy Blue Sony 3.5" 1.44MB $ 21.00
Video Card Radeon 9700 Pro Buying Later
South Card Sound Blaster Audigy 2 SBO240 Buying Later
NIC Card Linksys 10/100 Already Have
Modem Have Cable ISP (Don't Need Really) Buying Later
Keyboard Logitech EliteT Keyboard $ 39.99
Mouse Logitech MX500 Optical Mouse $ 49.99
Monitor Black ViewSonic G90FB 19inch Buying Later
Speakers Logitech Z-640 $ 79.99
Total Price $1525.96
After Radeon , Viewsonic, and Sound Blaster .... $2204.96
Rob
Cipriani
"Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
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anyone that spends 530 dollars for a processor has got brain damage(my
opinion). Theres kids starving in china.
Got a news flash for you...buy six months old.
You'll save a bundle..plus you'll only have to settle for like less than
20(at most) percent performance loss.
The way the war and economy is going....u should save ur money.
I could build two kick ass computers for that price.
just my opinion, of course.
-steven
C G
"Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
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<snipped example of excessive consumption>
> > Total Price $1525.96
> > After Radeon , Viewsonic, and Sound Blaster .... $2204.96
> > Rob
>
> anyone that spends 530 dollars for a processor has got brain damage(my
> opinion). Theres kids starving in china.
I second this thought. Half the money could get you a 2.66GHz which is
not that much slower. Same for the motherboard. Is there a specific
feature that you need on that $209 motherboard? While I am at it,
what's up with spending $181 for 512MB of memory? To finish it off, $21
for a floppy? It seems you've got money to burn.
>
> Got a news flash for you...buy six months old.
> You'll save a bundle..plus you'll only have to settle for like less than
> 20(at most) percent performance loss.
It seems some people must have the latest and greatest even though the
extra money doesn't justify the performance delta.
>
> The way the war and economy is going....u should save ur money.
Nah, let him throw his money away, perhaps it will boost the economy.
Besides, in 6 months he'll be bored because his system is no longer the
fastest on the block. Someone will get a nice system at a really great
price and he'll pump some more money into the economy.
Chuck
Robert
"Cipriani" <cp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well This is the Apocalypse ......And If we are all going to die
.....whether its from Nukes or Biological Attacks......I plan on dying
sitting at this Kick Ass Computer Fragging people in Unreal Tornament
Rob
Robert
"C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
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Its a pretty Blue Sony Floppy ......to match my blue case.....Money to
burn....Nah.....I just dont plan on upgrading this computer every 3
months.......$1500 isnt that much money ......at all.....especially when i
see Dell's Out there for upwards of $2600........plus you have no idea what
you can upgrade in it.....Do you get to choose the Motherboard???? Dont
think so.....And if you have a better price for my memory.....please do come
forward with Links.....here is Where i am getting the $181 from
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=Corsai
r+TWINX512
Rob
Jucius Maximus
news:KR6ha.905$ES6...@fe08.atl2.webusenet.com:
> Case Aluminum Blue Chenming 601 w/ Full Size Window $
> 149.00
Good choice, these things are beautiful.
> Power Supply Antec Power supply True480 with Blue LED Fan $
> 100.00
The antecs have good power regulation, another good choice. (Did you
know that antec cases are rebranded chenming?)
> Processor Pentium 4 3.06 GHz $ 532.00
WASTE OF MONEY!!! Get a slightly lower processor for half the price.
You will only get a small overall performance hit.
> Memory Corsair TWINX512-3200LL 512MB DDR400 XMS3200 Dual-Channel
> Memory $ 181.00
No complaints here.
> Motherboard Asus P4G8X Deluxe $ 209.00
Haven't used it, but it's a high end ASUS so it ought to be good.
> Hard Drive Maxtor 80.0GB w/ 8MB cache buffer, 7200RPM $
> 89.99
Hm. I would but a Seagate Barracuda IV or V at this point. They are
quieter and the latext Maxtors are not known for reliability.
(Note: Slightly older Maxtors, like the ones I rely on, tend to be
better. It's just the newest ones.)
> CD-RW Blue Lite-On 52x24x52 $ 74.00
Good value. Lite-on has good performance and features for the money.
> Floppy Blue Sony 3.5" 1.44MB $ 21.00
Kinda flambouyant but that's just me. No complaints ;-)
> Video Card Radeon 9700 Pro Buying Later
Kinda expensive, but hey, if you want extreme gaming, this is your thing.
But if you don't want extreme gaming, then you are wasting your money on
something whose full power you will not use.
> South Card Sound Blaster Audigy 2 SBO240 Buying Later
Good choice.
> NIC Card Linksys 10/100 Already Have
> Modem Have Cable ISP (Don't Need Really) Buying Later
> Keyboard Logitech EliteT Keyboard $ 39.99
I hate almost all keyboards ;-) except the classics from 15-20 years ago,
particularly the IBM M series.
> Mouse Logitech MX500 Optical Mouse $ 49.99
Woo ... I can strongly endorse this mouse. I've got the MX700 which is
the same as the MX500 except it's wireless. Overall, an excellent mouse
with high build quality, excellent comfort, good controls, overall great
feel.
> Monitor Black ViewSonic G90FB 19inch Buying Later
Viewsonic is one of the better display makers out there.
Stacey
wrote:
>Cipriani wrote:
>"Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:KR6ha.905$ES6...@fe08.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
>
>>
>> Got a news flash for you...buy six months old.
>> You'll save a bundle..plus you'll only have to settle for like less than
>> 20(at most) percent performance loss.
>
>Nah, let him throw his money away, perhaps it will boost the economy.
>Besides, in 6 months he'll be bored because his system is no longer the
>fastest on the block.
Lets see, one guy says to buy 6 months old, then another says in 6
months he'll want a new system?
Stacey
Robert
"Stacey" <foto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I posted this for remarks....but not nasty ones......I am using my Vacation
Pay / Tax Return to pay for this computer.....did i mention my other 2
computers are a P1 233mhz desktop and a P3 700 mhz laptop.....i think these
guys are just jelouse or something......i dont see anyone finding cheaper
prices then what i listed???
Rob
Everyone wants to be hating on the guy Building the Nice Computer
C G
>
> > Lets see, one guy says to buy 6 months old, then another says in 6
> > months he'll want a new system?
> >
> >
> > Stacey
>
> I posted this for remarks....but not nasty ones
Oh, I see. You only wanted to hear from people who were saying good
things about the way you want to throw your money around.
......I am using my Vacation
> Pay / Tax Return to pay for this computer.....did i mention my other 2
> computers are a P1 233mhz desktop and a P3 700 mhz laptop.....i think these
> guys are just jelouse or something
BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Not at all jealous. It's more like we are laughing. If
you really feel the need to spend more than necessary to get the latest
and greatest of everything, go for it.
......i dont see anyone finding cheaper
> prices then what i listed???
There have been several recommendations to help you save big money for
slightly less performance. Seems you are not interested.
>
> Rob
>
> Everyone wants to be hating on the guy Building the Nice Computer
No, they are laughing at the guy who wastes money.
SBFan2000
with the following specs!
Pentium 4 5.3Ghz (533Mhz FSB)
Gigabyte 8IHXP/2 (8 USB ports, 4 IDE channels, Rambus ECC memory!)
2 RDram 256 1066Mhz ECC Dimms
DVD-R Drive and 50 blank disks
Radeon All in Wonder 7500 (video capture)
Antec 450watt
Plus, upgrading current Athlon system with 512Mb ECC Pc2100 simm! (and
processor later)
All this for less than $1000, One big thing is you NEVER buy the most
current processor. You can get a P4 2.6Gig for around $250 instead of
paying $550 for 3.0Ghz. Is 400Mhz worth the additional $300 bucks?? Buy a
2.4 - 2.6 now and then when prices come down on the 3.0 you can upgrade!
Most motherboards that can handle 2.4 - 2.6 can easily be upgraded to 3.0 or
better later! And one thing about the system above verses the system your
building, the system above will actually utilize the 533Mhz FSB while DDR
memory you selected will not!
Granted I don't have to buy a floppy, keyboard, mouse, CD-RW, or sound card
but these items are not much more than $200
I realize the things we will use our systems for is, for sure, different but
you can build a bigger better system for less money. Even if you have your
heart set on the specs you listed you can get better prices than you listed.
I found the same memory for $129 and the Motherboard for $190, and the Antec
PS for $83, $21 for a floppy is to much!
Anyway, I don't want to dash your building a system I would just investigate
further before buying! If your going to spend that kind of money on a
system I would get Rambus memory. Again you are paying way to much for
parts!
Glenn
"Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Robert
"C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
You honestly believe that buying the 3.06 over the 2.8 wont net me much more
performance???? The Radeon wont be held back by the 2.8???
Rob
Robert
Rob
"SBFan2000" <webm...@glenngriffith.com> wrote in message
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pgp
The price on new CPUs really come down fast, whereas the RAM price changes
over a much longer time scale and usually fluctuates.
If you must have the "hyperthreading" -- the only significantly new
technology of the 3GHz type, then maybe wait for it to come down in price.
If you can't wait, then go for it. It's your money and you should spend it
however you like.
In general, 20% faster CPU usually doesn't give you 20% better performance
in multimedia applications that utilize a lot of peripheral devices. The
gain is almost only linear when you do sequential computations. Even then
different CPU architectures will have different performances for the same
clock speed. For example, for a particular numerical calculation that I do,
my athlon 1800+ (clock speed 1.53GHz) machine beats my Pentium 4 2GHz
machine by a whopping 40%. But it's only because AMD chip is good at
floating point computation among other things. There're things Pentium does
better. So using clock speed to judge what's better is rather meaningless.
For that matter, the benchmark softwares also can be misleading and unless
you know what they're testing, you'd have to take the results with a grain
of salt. Therefore, you should never be tempted by the number 3.06GHz (the
first 3GHz chip) into spending half a grand. If you have the money, buy more
RAM or better other parts. Those don't become obsolete as quickly. You can
upgrade the CPU later.
"Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
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ric
[...snip]
I think you crosspost too much.
Robert
"ric" <spam...@cox.net> wrote in message news:3E853E5E...@cox.net...
> Robert wrote:
>
> [...snip]
>
> I think you crosspost too much.
I am sorry.....Forgive me?
IamN2Speed
and what the relative costs are and how long their relative life-cycle is.
If you were blindly going into this and saying "I want to have the fastest
PC" and think that because you spend more cash, you'd have it, well, they
may have a point. However, you seem to have enough a handle on the overall
costs, and you're fine with it. Forget what they are saying, it's just not
for them... One thing to add I assume you want the 3.06 as it is the first
processor Intel has released with Hyperthreading. That is a 'significant'
driver for this particular processor. If Intel releases the next P4, I'm
guessing 3.3x the 3.06 price will drop like a rock quick. I just want the
Hyperthreading.
Now, on to your original question. PRICE. The processor seems to be
dropping $3-5 a day at googlegear.com Couple of other things I noticed. You
're way overspending on the case. Newegg.com has smokin deals on the
Chieftec cases. The exact one you're looking at with a 450w power supply is
$90. Googlegear.com will get you a little better price on your memory.
Other than that, you're doing 'ok'.
"SBFan2000" <webm...@glenngriffith.com> wrote in message
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C G
Go look at the performance charts and decide for yourself. There's just
not that big a difference between the 2.66 and the 2.88. There's also
not much difference from the 2.8 to the 3.06. For many people, the
difference certainly does not justify the price difference. One other
point, you could buy a slower processor and overclock it to get very
close to the 3.06.
Robert
"C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
Well After hearing your arguement........i was really torn between what to
do ........get the 3.06 or the 2.8.....so i solved it the easiest
way.......i flipped a coin.....heads was 3.06 and tails was 2.8.......came
up tails and now i am going with a 2.8....going to use the extra money
towards the Radeon 9700pro
Rob
Robert
3.06 .....so i just flipped a coin......and the 2.8 won......taking the
extra money and putting it towards the Radeon.....Going to start ordering
all the parts on Sunday Night
Rob
"IamN2Speed" <iamn2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Stacey
wrote:
>
>......i dont see anyone finding cheaper
>> prices then what i listed???
>
>There have been several recommendations to help you save big money for
>slightly less performance. Seems you are not interested.
Can you say HT?
Stacey
IamN2Speed
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SBFan2000
the link but found it through www.pricegrabber.com I would research other
motherboards, there are several that are about identical to the Asus you
selected but are alittle cheaper!
"Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Sascha Hauke
Phew... quite a lot of cross-posting, right...
but there is also too much TOFU-posting here :o)
Sascha
--
Up until last week, I thought posting was easy. Now I have one less
illusion and a decent news client.
C G
Cool, your first compromise. I went through a similar process recently,
without the coin. When I first started I was sure I would get the
3.06. Then I realized how many more things I could add to the system if
I went down to the 2.8. When I started my final selection, I went down
one more notch to the 2.66. This freed up some funds to add some other
stuff I wanted. My main goal was video editing and it's doing a great
job with it.
In spite of everything people are saying, we wish you luck. We do not
mean to criticize, we're just offering our opinions.
Chuck
JK
so the potential damage that you can do will be limited. :-)
Why Intel? Consider that it makes much more sense to buy a processor
that is $100-200 or so and upgrading it two or three three times as
often than to buy a $550+ processor. Forcing yourself to use a Pentium
233 mhz for so long seems to have not been a good choice. Will you force
yourself to use the P4 3.06 ghz for around 5 years? A processor that is
around $150 might give a you a system that is only around 10-15% slower
overall than with a $550 processor. Consider that the processor that
is $150 two years from now may greatly outperform a processor that is
$550 now? My advice is that you should build a mid priced system as
your first build, then think about possibly building more expensive
systems as you get more experienced. You could build a system with
nice performance using an Athlon XP2400+($135 for the retail box with
heatsink), an Asus A7N8X motherboard($106), etc.
Dpm
"JK" <JK9...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Imo, you should build a mid priced system for your first build,
> so the potential damage that you can do will be limited. :-)
I don't wish to sound rude, but I have read a lot of this thread, and there
is a point being missed. To some people 500usd is a lot to spend on a cpu,
but to other people it is peanuts. Now I dont wish to sound boastfull; but I
work pretty hard as a barrister, and 500 Usd is a neglible amount of money
when compared against income. The point being advise on hardware is welcome;
advice on "do it this way it is cheaper is not"
> Why Intel?
Better performerance, runs cooler etc.
Consider that it makes much more sense to buy a processor
> that is $100-200 or so and upgrading it two or three three times as
> often than to buy a $550+ processor. Forcing yourself to use a Pentium
> 233 mhz for so long seems to have not been a good choice. Will you force
> yourself to use the P4 3.06 ghz for around 5 years? A processor that is
> around $150 might give a you a system that is only around 10-15% slower
> overall than with a $550 processor. Consider that the processor that
> is $150 two years from now may greatly outperform a processor that is
> $550 now? My advice is that you should build a mid priced system as
> your first build, then think about possibly building more expensive
> systems as you get more experienced.
I stronlgy disagree, Build the best that you can afford, If money isnt an
issue then build a beast.
You could build a system with
> nice performance using an Athlon XP2400+($135 for the retail box with
> heatsink), an Asus A7N8X motherboard($106), etc.
>
But he wants a P4 3 gig, obviously cash is no problem.
It sounds very good, but get the MX700 no 500, also consider Twin HDs on
raid (i would get SATA)
max
C G
>
> "JK" <JK9...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3E85B792...@netscape.net...
> > Imo, you should build a mid priced system for your first build,
> > so the potential damage that you can do will be limited. :-)
>
> I don't wish to sound rude, but I have read a lot of this thread, and there
> is a point being missed. To some people 500usd is a lot to spend on a cpu,
> but to other people it is peanuts. Now I dont wish to sound boastfull; but I
> work pretty hard as a barrister, and 500 Usd is a neglible amount of money
> when compared against income. The point being advise on hardware is welcome;
> advice on "do it this way it is cheaper is not"
That's nice. If one considers the fact that the originator of the post
said this was going to be paid for with his vaction/tax refund money,
one would conclude that $500 USD is probably NOT PEANUTS to him!
>
> > Why Intel?
>
> Better performerance, runs cooler etc.
>
> Consider that it makes much more sense to buy a processor
> > that is $100-200 or so and upgrading it two or three three times as
> > often than to buy a $550+ processor. Forcing yourself to use a Pentium
> > 233 mhz for so long seems to have not been a good choice. Will you force
> > yourself to use the P4 3.06 ghz for around 5 years? A processor that is
> > around $150 might give a you a system that is only around 10-15% slower
> > overall than with a $550 processor. Consider that the processor that
> > is $150 two years from now may greatly outperform a processor that is
> > $550 now? My advice is that you should build a mid priced system as
> > your first build, then think about possibly building more expensive
> > systems as you get more experienced.
>
> I stronlgy disagree, Build the best that you can afford, If money isnt an
> issue then build a beast.
Where does building what you need fit into this?
>
> You could build a system with
> > nice performance using an Athlon XP2400+($135 for the retail box with
> > heatsink), an Asus A7N8X motherboard($106), etc.
> >
>
> But he wants a P4 3 gig, obviously cash is no problem.
I agree. There seems to be a small group of people who must own AMD
stock. It seems every time someone says they are going Intel they just
have to jump in and try to sell AMD instead.
IamN2Speed
"Dpm" <D...@hotmail.com> wrote in message ...
>
> "JK" <JK9...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3E85B792...@netscape.net...
> > Imo, you should build a mid priced system for your first build,
> > so the potential damage that you can do will be limited. :-)
>
> I don't wish to sound rude, but I have read a lot of this thread, and
there
> is a point being missed. To some people 500usd is a lot to spend on a cpu,
> but to other people it is peanuts. Now I dont wish to sound boastfull; but
I
> work pretty hard as a barrister, and 500 Usd is a neglible amount of money
> when compared against income. The point being advise on hardware is
welcome;
> advice on "do it this way it is cheaper is not"
>
Amen.
Kristen
OMG, your processor costs more than my whole system did. :0
Kristen
Chris Simpson
the AMD 3.00 CPU and an Asus MB....
Chris Simpson
better then a AMD 2000 CPU...
Cipriani wrote:
> "Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:KR6ha.905$ES6...@fe08.atl2.webusenet.com...
>
> anyone that spends 530 dollars for a processor has got brain damage(my
> opinion). Theres kids starving in china.
>
> Got a news flash for you...buy six months old.
> You'll save a bundle..plus you'll only have to settle for like less than
> 20(at most) percent performance loss.
>
> The way the war and economy is going....u should save ur money.
>
> I could build two kick ass computers for that price.
>
> just my opinion, of course.
>
> -steven
>
>
>
>
>
>
Kristen
>...I plan on dying sitting at this Kick Ass Computer
>Fragging people in Unreal Tornament
I just bought a Radeon to replace my Voodoo 3000 a couple weeks ago
expecting it to kick ass in UT, since it's the only game I play
competitively. It's the only game it sucked on. It runs both Unreal
1 and UT2k3 10x better. :/
I'm still working the bugs out...
Kristen
SBFan2000
Intel! However I am going with a P4 in my new system simple because the
higher FSB speed! AMD seems to be falling behind in that area!
Glenn
"C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
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Stacey
>You could build a system with
>nice performance using an Athlon XP2400+($135 for the retail box with
>heatsink), an Asus A7N8X motherboard($106), etc.
>
What a shock that an AMD employee would sugest this..
Stacey
JK
Dpm wrote:
> "JK" <JK9...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3E85B792...@netscape.net...
>
>>Imo, you should build a mid priced system for your first build,
>>so the potential damage that you can do will be limited. :-)
>
>
>
>
> I don't wish to sound rude, but I have read a lot of this thread, and there
> is a point being missed. To some people 500usd is a lot to spend on a cpu,
> but to other people it is peanuts. Now I dont wish to sound boastfull; but I
> work pretty hard as a barrister, and 500 Usd is a neglible amount of money
> when compared against income. The point being advise on hardware is welcome;
> advice on "do it this way it is cheaper is not"
My point was not to suggest a lower priced processor to save
money, but rather to allow upgrades more often at the same long
term cost. In other words, rather than buying a $550 cpu and using
it for 5 years, it makes more sense to buy a $100-200 processor
every 18-24 months(plus perhaps a motherboard and/or ram upgrade part
of the time when making a processor upgrade?) Of course there will
be others who may want to buy a $550 processor every 2 years. My
comment to that would bethat it would be better to buy a $200-250
processor every year instead.The original poster mentioned that he
still uses a Pentium 233.
>
>
>
>>Why Intel?
>
>
> Better performerance, runs cooler etc.
Did you see how much power a P4 3.06 uses? It is much more than an XP3000+.
http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm
JK
Dpm wrote:
> "JK" <JK9...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3E85B792...@netscape.net...
>
>>Imo, you should build a mid priced system for your first build,
>>so the potential damage that you can do will be limited. :-)
>
>
>
>
> I don't wish to sound rude, but I have read a lot of this thread, and there
> is a point being missed. To some people 500usd is a lot to spend on a cpu,
> but to other people it is peanuts. Now I dont wish to sound boastfull; but I
> work pretty hard as a barrister, and 500 Usd is a neglible amount of money
> when compared against income. The point being advise on hardware is welcome;
> advice on "do it this way it is cheaper is not"
>
>
My point was not to suggest a lower priced processor to save
money, but rather to allow upgrades more often at the same long
term cost. In other words, rather than buying a $550 cpu and using
it for 5 years, it makes more sense to buy a $100-200 processor
every 18-24 months(plus perhaps a motherboard and/or ram upgrade part
of the time when making a processor upgrade?) Of course there will
be others who may want to buy a $550 processor every 2 years. My
comment to that would bethat it would be better to buy a $200-250
processor every year instead.The original poster mentioned that he
still uses a Pentium 233.
>
>>Why Intel?
>
>
> Better performerance,
It depends what is being run. The XP3000+ performs better in some
applications.
runs cooler
Did you see how much power the P4 3.06 ghz uses?
http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm
The P4 3.06 ghz uses 81.8 watts thermal design power, vs 58.4 watts
typical power for the Athlon XP3000+.
etc.
>
> Consider that it makes much more sense to buy a processor
>
>>that is $100-200 or so and upgrading it two or three three times as
>>often than to buy a $550+ processor. Forcing yourself to use a Pentium
>>233 mhz for so long seems to have not been a good choice. Will you force
>>yourself to use the P4 3.06 ghz for around 5 years? A processor that is
>>around $150 might give a you a system that is only around 10-15% slower
>>overall than with a $550 processor. Consider that the processor that
>>is $150 two years from now may greatly outperform a processor that is
>>$550 now? My advice is that you should build a mid priced system as
>>your first build, then think about possibly building more expensive
>>systems as you get more experienced.
>
>
>
> I stronlgy disagree, Build the best that you can afford, If money isnt an
> issue then build a beast.
>
>
> You could build a system with
>
>>nice performance using an Athlon XP2400+($135 for the retail box with
>>heatsink), an Asus A7N8X motherboard($106), etc.
>>
>
>
>
> But he wants a P4 3 gig, obviously cash is no problem.
That is not the issue. The issue is whether to spend less initially and
upgrade more often or to buy a very expensive processor and force
yourself to use it for a long time. The original poster indicated that
he is still using a Pentium 233.
JK
JimmyLittlejohn
really nice computer. I know it sounds like excessive to others but it is
your money and you should spend it on what you want not what someone else
thinks you should spend your money on, but you did ask for an opinion. Like
I said spend your money on what you like you know your budget it sounds like
to me.
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>
> "C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
> news:3E85090F...@yahoo.com.nospam...
> > Cipriani wrote:
> > "Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:KR6ha.905$ES6...@fe08.atl2.webusenet.com...
> >
> > <snipped example of excessive consumption>
> >
> > > > Total Price $1525.96
> > > > After Radeon , Viewsonic, and Sound Blaster .... $2204.96
> > > > Rob
> > >
> > > anyone that spends 530 dollars for a processor has got brain damage(my
> > > opinion). Theres kids starving in china.
> >
> > I second this thought. Half the money could get you a 2.66GHz which is
> > not that much slower. Same for the motherboard. Is there a specific
> > feature that you need on that $209 motherboard? While I am at it,
> > what's up with spending $181 for 512MB of memory? To finish it off, $21
> > for a floppy? It seems you've got money to burn.
> >
> > >
> > > Got a news flash for you...buy six months old.
> > > You'll save a bundle..plus you'll only have to settle for like less
> than
> > > 20(at most) percent performance loss.
> >
> > It seems some people must have the latest and greatest even though the
> > extra money doesn't justify the performance delta.
> >
> > >
> > > The way the war and economy is going....u should save ur money.
> >
> > Nah, let him throw his money away, perhaps it will boost the economy.
> > Besides, in 6 months he'll be bored because his system is no longer the
> > fastest on the block. Someone will get a nice system at a really great
> > price and he'll pump some more money into the economy.
> >
> > Chuck
>
> Its a pretty Blue Sony Floppy ......to match my blue case.....Money to
> burn....Nah.....I just dont plan on upgrading this computer every 3
> months.......$1500 isnt that much money ......at all.....especially when i
> see Dell's Out there for upwards of $2600........plus you have no idea
what
> you can upgrade in it.....Do you get to choose the Motherboard???? Dont
> think so.....And if you have a better price for my memory.....please do
come
> forward with Links.....here is Where i am getting the $181 from
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=Corsai
> r+TWINX512
>
> Rob
>
>
>
Overlord
Here's your ram for $169 with free shipping;
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80092-14
Free shipping.
Here's ya cpu for $470 (retail with HS and fan)
http://cgi.netscape.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14293&item=3409624899
They'll gouge ya on shipping and it's a long lead time but still $33
less than yours even with shipping added in...
Gameve.com has the P4g8X for $205 with free shipping;
http://www.gameve.com/store/gameve_viewitem.asp?idproduct=841
They did a good job for me. They shipped the deluxe gold edition with
all the bells and whistles
After that, our systems come to the parting of the ways.
They are no longer close to similar.
The Asus P4G8X has onboard gigabit lan so you can ditch the NIC if ya
like. It's also running my ram at 1.5-2-2-5 but haven't had a chance
to bench the difference.
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postmaster@localhost
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abuse@localhost
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Remove "spamless" to email me.
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I had to...
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> "Stacey" <foto...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3d6a8v4jkvckbj5io...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:49:17 GMT, C G <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Cipriani wrote:
> > >"Robert" <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > >news:KR6ha.905$ES6...@fe08.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Got a news flash for you...buy six months old.
> > >> You'll save a bundle..plus you'll only have to settle for like less
> than
> > >> 20(at most) percent performance loss.
> > >
> >
> > >Nah, let him throw his money away, perhaps it will boost the economy.
> > >Besides, in 6 months he'll be bored because his system is no longer the
> > >fastest on the block.
> >
> >
> > Lets see, one guy says to buy 6 months old, then another says in 6
> > months he'll want a new system?
> >
> >
> > Stacey
>
> I posted this for remarks....but not nasty ones......I am using my
Vacation
> Pay / Tax Return to pay for this computer.....did i mention my other 2
> computers are a P1 233mhz desktop and a P3 700 mhz laptop.....i think
these
> guys are just jelouse or something......i dont see anyone finding cheaper
> prices then what i listed???
>
> Rob
>
> Everyone wants to be hating on the guy Building the Nice Computer
>
>
>
JimmyLittlejohn
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>
> "C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
> news:3E851C65...@yahoo.com.nospam...
> > Robert wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lets see, one guy says to buy 6 months old, then another says in 6
> > > > months he'll want a new system?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stacey
> > >
> > > I posted this for remarks....but not nasty ones
> >
> > Oh, I see. You only wanted to hear from people who were saying good
> > things about the way you want to throw your money around.
> >
> > ......I am using my Vacation
> > > Pay / Tax Return to pay for this computer.....did i mention my other 2
> > > computers are a P1 233mhz desktop and a P3 700 mhz laptop.....i think
> these
> > > guys are just jelouse or something
> >
> > BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Not at all jealous. It's more like we are laughing. If
> > you really feel the need to spend more than necessary to get the latest
> > and greatest of everything, go for it.
> >
> > ......i dont see anyone finding cheaper
> > > prices then what i listed???
> >
> > There have been several recommendations to help you save big money for
> > slightly less performance. Seems you are not interested.
> >
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > Everyone wants to be hating on the guy Building the Nice Computer
> >
> > No, they are laughing at the guy who wastes money.
>
> You honestly believe that buying the 3.06 over the 2.8 wont net me much
more
> performance???? The Radeon wont be held back by the 2.8???
>
> Rob
>
>
>
Overlord
My last system was an AMD 1gig Athlon. SOB ran hot!
That's with Artic Silver, a PAL Alpha, and enough fans to lift the
case off the wheels.
Just upgraded to a P4 3.06 on the same MB this guy is getting.
It's 24°C in the house which for me is a little cool.
Got about 6 windows open doing stuff.
Just shut down Seti.
I'm running the stock Intel heat sink with Artic Silver and the system
is 31°C/41°C for MB/CPU. (granted the HS looks like 2 fists on my MB)
I HAVE NO FANS IN MY CASE!
The side is off for routing more cables but I have only the CPU fan
and the internal fan in my PS. I drilled out a circular hole for 2
fans but haven't gotten around to putting any in yet.
I run 7 drives at the moment.
The C drive is 15000rpm and yes, I can cook breakfast on it.
The other drives are 10000rpm and they're only relatively cooler.
Relative in that they won't raise blisters if you pick them up.
Don't tell me about the nice cool AMDs, I've been there....
In the winter, the dog would lay under the desk on my feet, and the
Athlon would heat the study!
.....not sure what I'm going to do next winter.....
Stacey
>You are funny! I am not an AMD employee.
>
Then explain why ANYTIME someone makes a post about building an intel
machine you complain and never post on any other subject except
promoting AMD chips to intel users? If you aren't a shill for them,
you must own a bunch of their stock or something.
Stacey
JK
Olympus digital cameras? If you read the digital cameras newsgroups,
perhaps you would be accusing me of being an Olympus employee?
Michael Thomas
Seems like the same could be said about you and Intel. You never have
a good word to say about anything AMD. Are you an Intel employee?
--
MT
JAD
you must have changed your name...you were formally known as? damn
crossposter
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C G
In the time I have been watching this NG, I can't recall seeing anyone
try to hijack an AMD thread to try to convince them to buy Intel. OTOH,
just about anyone who says they are going to buy Intel is going to get
several suggestions to buy AMD instead.
RussS
Oh well, you made your choices so I guess U now have to live with them ...
lol
--
RussS
MCP W2K Pro & Server, A+, Net+
Michael Thomas
wrote:
>Michael Thomas wrote:
Hijacked? I don't see anything in the subject line that says this is
an Intel only thread. I could see your arguement if the subject said,
"All picked out Intel system.....what do u think???", or if the OP had
specifically stated he wasn't interested in an AMD solution.
--
MT
Stacey
Read the group, I own 2 AMD systems and 1 Intel and recomend AMD to
people on a budget or for gaming regularly. Now as far as via
chipsets.....
Stacey
Stacey
<mtNOSP...@armory.com> wrote:
>
>Hijacked? I don't see anything in the subject line that says this is
>an Intel only thread. I could see your arguement if the subject said,
>"All picked out Intel system.....what do u think???",
Did you read the OP? That is EXACLY what he said!
Stacey
C G
Hmmm, subject line says "All Picked out". From the choices, it was
pretty obvious he intended to go Intel. Didn't see any sign that he was
considering alternate motherboards. Seems pretty obvious suggesting AMD
was OT.
SBFan2000
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Robert
A7V333 board with a Athlon XP2800.........i took AMD out of the picture in
the very beggining of deciding the parts......The reason for not going with
AMD is because they changed around the P Rating system....which made me
question the validity of there product in the first place
Rob
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Michael Thomas
Oh, really? Here is his original post... Maybe you can point out
where is specifically says "I am not interested in AMD" for everyone?
Also, I see he specifically stated "any comments are welcome." What
OP are you reading?
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MT
==========================================================
Michael Thomas
I read the group all the time. Whether you own an AMD system or not
has nothing to do with your obvious bias towards Intel based
solutions.
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MT
JK
He did not say the system must be Intel based.
Test Account
understood why a majority of the people out there need to have the latest
and greatest to surf the web and check their email. Wastin' money is all
they are doing. Perfect example, this kid brought his new compaq into the
shop with a bad mobo that he confirmed with compaq that needed to be
replaced.. So as I take the cover off staring me in the face was an
"upgraded" 2.6Ghz processor, not the original it came with... A gig of ram,
radeon 8500, high end creative labs sound card.. and then to my dismay a 56k
modem.. I asked what he did with all this horsepower... he downloads
music!!! He should of spend a little less money on the memory and processor
and sprung for broadband instead.... just my rant... Oh and I have a slot A
Athlon 600 that works quite well for the web and email.
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Robert
Office XP
Microsoft Visual Studio .NET
Microsoft Publisher
Microsoft Visio
Microsoft Project
Borland JBuilder
Borland Delphi
Borland C++
Dreamweaver MX
Flash MX
Fireworks MX
Adobe Photoshop 7
Adobe Illustrator 10
Unreal Tornament
Quake 3
Doom 3
and whatever other games come out that require a Speed Demon Machine
Rob
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C G
>
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:07:55 -0500, Stacey <foto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:27:14 -0800, Michael Thomas
> ><mtNOSP...@armory.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Hijacked? I don't see anything in the subject line that says this is
> >>an Intel only thread. I could see your arguement if the subject said,
> >>"All picked out Intel system.....what do u think???",
> >
> >Did you read the OP? That is EXACLY what he said!
> >
> >Stacey
>
> Oh, really? Here is his original post... Maybe you can point out
> where is specifically says "I am not interested in AMD" for everyone?
>
> Also, I see he specifically stated "any comments are welcome." What
> OP are you reading?
Your protestations are pointless. As I said, certain individuals have
shown a pattern of trying to convince people who have already chosen to
buy Intel that they should buy AMD instead. Apparently it is so bad
that someone even suggested that one of them is an AMD employee. You
can attempt to justify it all you want, but it's real. Even the
originator of this thread said he was not interested in AMD, supported
by the fact that he had already chosen a board and an Intel processor.
I almost never see anyone try to convince someone who has chosen AMD
that they should buy Intel, why do people feel so compelled to steer
people away from Intel?
Chuck
Martin
> No i Need to Run the following
>
> Office XP
> Microsoft Visual Studio .NET
> Microsoft Publisher
> Microsoft Visio
> Microsoft Project
> Borland JBuilder
> Borland Delphi
> Borland C++
> Dreamweaver MX
> Flash MX
> Fireworks MX
> Adobe Photoshop 7
> Adobe Illustrator 10
>
>
> Unreal Tornament
> Quake 3
> Doom 3
> and whatever other games come out that require a Speed Demon Machine
Hi Robert,
I must say I don't agree with people posting to tell you how to spend
your money.
Some good recommendations have been made, but just to add my
2c........
If you are trying to work to that approximate budget, I would agree
that a 2.8G P4 would be a smart purchase, as it will let you improve
some other components;
Monitor; Consider a quality 17" TFT......like Hitachi CML174SXW. There
are other good ones, but, like me, you play UT2003 so look for
monitors with a Total response time of 16ms. UT2003 looks great on
these monitors. CRT's will soon become virtually obsolete for most new
PC purchasers.
Mouse; Upgrade to the MX700. It is a fantastic bit of kit, with no lag
whatsoever.
I'm not so sure RAID is appropriate for you. It can be fiddly to set
up, and it adds to the boot time. Are the benefits useful to you?
Anyway, enjoy your new PC - you earned it.
Martin
Ralph Snart
>I almost never see anyone try to convince someone who has chosen AMD
>that they should buy Intel, why do people feel so compelled to steer
>people away from Intel?
the more that AMD prospers and becomes a viable alternative to intel,
the better it is for *everyone*. without AMD pushing the cost/performance
ratio all the time, intel would have less incentive to push their own
prices down.
competition is good. we all win.
-rs-
JK
Peter Cavan
Here is a simple answer for you. If you can afford everything you need PLUS
the 3.06 then get it. If you can't or won't, move down to 2.8 or possibly
even further. Both are very good processors, buy the best if you can afford
it. You seem from your posts to be able to afford such a processor, if you
can then go on ahead. All you have to decide is whether you need the best
and biggest, or if you want to be a bit more wise with your cash.
See ya
Peter Cavan
Simon Telrenner
notice a difference.
I built one computer that was the latest and greatest, and it was out of
date in less than three months, but I still have it, and I still love it, so
if that is what you want
GO FOR IT!!!
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>
> "C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
> news:3E8541E7...@yahoo.com.nospam...
> > Robert wrote:
> > >
> > > "C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
> > > news:3E851C65...@yahoo.com.nospam...
> > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > No, they are laughing at the guy who wastes money.
> > >
> > > You honestly believe that buying the 3.06 over the 2.8 wont net me
much
> more
> > > performance???? The Radeon wont be held back by the 2.8???
> >
> > Go look at the performance charts and decide for yourself. There's just
> > not that big a difference between the 2.66 and the 2.88. There's also
> > not much difference from the 2.8 to the 3.06. For many people, the
> > difference certainly does not justify the price difference. One other
> > point, you could buy a slower processor and overclock it to get very
> > close to the 3.06.
>
> Well After hearing your arguement........i was really torn between what to
> do ........get the 3.06 or the 2.8.....so i solved it the easiest
> way.......i flipped a coin.....heads was 3.06 and tails was 2.8.......came
> up tails and now i am going with a 2.8....going to use the extra money
> towards the Radeon 9700pro
>
> Rob
>
>
>
C G
>
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:22:30 GMT, C G <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam>
> wrote:
>
> >Michael Thomas wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:07:55 -0500, Stacey <foto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:27:14 -0800, Michael Thomas
> >> ><mtNOSP...@armory.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>Hijacked? I don't see anything in the subject line that says this is
> >> >>an Intel only thread. I could see your arguement if the subject said,
> >> >>"All picked out Intel system.....what do u think???",
> >> >
> >> >Did you read the OP? That is EXACLY what he said!
> >> >
> >> >Stacey
> >>
> >> Oh, really? Here is his original post... Maybe you can point out
> >> where is specifically says "I am not interested in AMD" for everyone?
> >>
> >> Also, I see he specifically stated "any comments are welcome." What
> >> OP are you reading?
> >
> >Your protestations are pointless.
>
> didn't specifically state that AMD was not a choice, and he also asked
> for comments. He has now stated that AMD is *not* a choice, and I
> haven't seen one post stating he should reconsider.
Thanks, now I see the problem, the AMD promoters suffer from selective
blindness. There was another one earlier today, the day after Robert
made it very clear that he was not interested in AMD.
Stacey
> An Athlon XP2600+ would be nice. It is a very good choice for around $200.
>
How many times in the same thread are you going to push AMD's?
Yesterday he posted:
Yes but i also would have said ....should i go with this machine or an
Asus
A7V333 board with a Athlon XP2800.........i took AMD out of the
picture in
the very beggining of deciding the parts......The reason for not going
with
AMD is because they changed around the P Rating system....which made
me
question the validity of there product in the first place
Rob
And you claim you have no agenda here? LOL
Stacey
JK
upgrade the cpu. Imo, a $200 cpu every 2 years is much better than a
$500 cpu every 5 years.
JK
a $500+ cpu every 5 years. The original poster mentioned that he
still uses a Pentium 233.
SBFan2000
better than a 200Mhz slower chip would be a wasteful buy (its his money), I
don't really see the point behind saying "buy a $200 chip every two years
instead of $500 every five years! Do the math, Buy a processor for $200
every two years over 10 years gives you $1000 spent, where $500 every 5
years gives you $1000 spent over 10 years! So what the difference?
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JK
by buying a $200 processor every two years vs a $500 processor every
5 years.
C G
<snip>
>
> Yeah, I see JK has decided to continue pushing AMD, but this had not
> happened before my post.
>
> Please set your phasers on "stun" for his sake... ;o)
Certainly. It's not a capital offense. Actually, I was thinking of one
shot with a zat. If nothing else, their predictability has provided
some interesting entertainment.
Robert
storage area......i send all my files to it ....then burn them to CD on that
computer
Just so u know .....I bought the Pentium 4 @ 2.8
Rob
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Robert
"Michael Thomas" <mtNOSP...@armory.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:58:11 -0500, "Robert"
> <liamemapsREMOVETHIS!!@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Just so u know .....I bought the Pentium 4 @ 2.8
> >
> >Rob
>
> by minute...
>
> --
>
> MT
HOW IN THE HELL DID YOU KNOW?????? I have been siting at my laptop hitting
the Refresh button on UPS's Website waiting for Tracking changes.......I
know the Motherboard, Memory, And Processor will be here tommorow.....as for
the Powersupply, Floppy, and CD-RW.....i dont know when they will come
Rob
C G
>
> I use a 700 mhz laptop.....i only use the 233mhz desktop as a network
> storage area......i send all my files to it ....then burn them to CD on that
> computer
>
> Just so u know .....I bought the Pentium 4 @ 2.8
Got it running yet?
Robert
"C G" <piper...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote in message
Nope.....Picked up the Radeon 9700 from Bestbuy today......The Case and
Western Digital 80 gig hard drive from CompUsa.......The Motherboard,
Processor, Memory are being delivered tommorow.....then i just have to wait
for the Powersupply, Floppy, CD-RW to be delivered
Rob
Robert
>
> We'll expect a complete blow-by-blow replay of the full assembly when
> it all gets put together, of course.
>
> --
>
> MT
>
>
Unfortunatly you wont see one until next week sometime.......The Floppy and
CD-RW are scheduled to arrive on the 7th.......and the powersupply hasnt
even shipped yet from the other web site :( GOD UPS Ground takes forever!!!
Until then i will just sit here looking at the Pretty Red Radeon 9700
......Feeling its power radiating from inside .....waiting to become part of
my Ultimate Gaming Machine
Rob
Stacey
wrote:
>Michael Thomas wrote:
Yep :-)
Stacey
Mike Marty
flatscreen LCD display. It will likely still be in use 5 years from now
unlike a 3GHz P4