New Computer and no S-Video Support

[mmdi...@yahoo.com]

I just put new video card on new computer. Everything is better than old computer
except one big problem: has no support S-video. This means I can't watch video
on secondary display. I usually watched online video/DVD movie using second display through S-video back of Sony Analog TV. I am in forced to buy digital flat TV as secondary display. Today most video card today in the market has no support for S-video. I am not sure any PCI express graphic card come with S-video support. Do you know any PCI express card has S-video support ?

[Paul]

The Newegg page has mostly PCI, but there
is one PCI Express x1. Now, when they make
PCI Express x1 cards like this (assuming
you can find a driver that actually works),
they do things like disable 3:2 pulldown.
So some of the video playback features might
not be enabled at the driver level. The
developer does this for "bandwidth reasons".

PCI Express x1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129152

I would need to find a x16 card, to really
feel comfortable. OK, here is one for $63.
It lists Vista as the supported OS - oops.
And I think this is the only card this good.
Nothing more modern.

PCI Express x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129108

You can also use DisplayPort to xxx adapters,
of which the passive ones are the cheapest.
But the converter to do SVideo would be
an active type at $70 or so, and just
as expensive as a whole video card. The
specs on this one, suggest it's a "Scan Converter".
That's another name for the function. They
used to do VGA to SVideo as Scan Converters too.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5HT22H4205

And here's a traditional "cheesy" Scan Converter.
TV stations use some of these kinds of things
that cost like $5000 (they handle synchronization too).
Yet these PC ones are in the $50 range. Even though various
units will claim they support "1024x768", "1600x1200",
the image will be thready and washed out looking. The real
Scan Converter companies, mostly got out
of this business. A Scan Converter uses
convolution to try to make thin lines in
PowerPoint spreadsheets, visible on the
SVideo output.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA27C3DR6524

And the cheesy one is even used as an example
in the Wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scan_converter

I think you'll be able to cobble together
some sort of solution. But I don't know
what it's going to look like. It's bound
to have a few rough edges.

I think if the TV set had YPbPr (three coax connectors),
that would be worth shelling out for a converter. But
SVideo, it seems an awful expense for a marginal solution.

I used to get better results, by running my SVideo through
a Channel 3 (VHF) modulator. For some reason, the DC restoration
on my two TV sets was terrible, and bringing the signal in
through the antenna terminals worked so much better. I can
actually watch a DVD video, over that path.

*******

Look what $160 will buy you. A 22" TV set. Lots of connectors
on the back.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889270032

It's listed for $115 here. Note that the two advertisements,
list a different number of HDMI connectors. And yet the
products have the same model number.

http://www.amazon.com/Proscan-PLED2243A-22-Inch-1080p-60Hz/dp/B0086GCR7E

Looks like one of those "import/export" companies.

http://www.proscanvideo.com/item.asp?itemnmbr=PLED2243A

User manual. Unit seems to use an external power adapter.
And comes with a remote for the TV part.

http://www.curtisint.com/html/custservice/manuals/PRO_PLED2243A_EN.PDF

Paul

[Flasherly]

-
Buying a monitor/"television" is also a matter of mating them to a
consideration, prior, of the output device supplying it.

Fewer MBs are natively now equipped a SVGA output and onboard video
processor.

More MBs are apt to offer HDMI/DVI, as are monitor/television support
inputs.

Chipsets for native MPU/GPU integration are also becoming increasingly
common, although common may denotes OS tendencies, exclusions, and/on
increasing online/cloud codependency, such as exemplified in some
directions Windows 10 manifests.

A so-called graphics card, and for some time past, has become more of
a niche item priced to the exclusion of so-called gamers predominately
comprising a marketing demographics (graphics cards running in
multiples over the total cost of a MB).

Gaming is a significant industry across a significant portion of
American interests in how a computer is utilized.

The interim for a dollar-cost-averager, someone looking for the best
performance for cost outlay is, hence, more of a complicated field to
assess at balances, and not what is blindly or randomly to be expected
of aligning, particularly, standards apt now surpassed if not allied
to specifications requiring perhaps more care and forethought for
threading a finer point to a needle present trends are given computer
[after]marketing.

[Ant]

How about video cable adapters?
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[Michael Black]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Ant wrote:

> On 1/26/2016 2:15 AM, mmdi...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> I just put new video card on new computer. Everything is better than old
>> computer
>> except one big problem: has no support S-video. This means I can't watch
>> video
>> on secondary display. I usually watched online video/DVD movie using second
>> display through S-video back of Sony Analog TV. I am in forced to buy
>> digital flat TV as secondary display. Today most video card today in the
>> market has no support for S-video. I am not sure any PCI express graphic
>> card come with S-video support. Do you know any PCI express card has
>> S-video support ?
>
> How about video cable adapters?

Isn't S-Video standard NTSC scan rates, except they don't combine the
signals? So I'm not sure how you extract that from an existing signal.
VGA doesn't have NTSC scan rates, though I guess older cards can do them
since you see S-video connectors on them.

One could buy an older card, but then you lose the ability to do newer and
fancier things that a new card can do.

There's also compatibility. Older computers used to have lots of bus
connectors, of various types, newer ones don't, and what they have may not
be compatible. That's a tradeoff too. I have the urge to get a newer
computer, I am tempted to just go and buy something new when it's on sale,
but then I lose things like serial (and worse, parallel) ports, and so on.
I've collected various video cards, some kind of interesting, but they may
not fit into a newer computer. Or that card that digitizes video signals,
that too may not fit.

S-video is mostly a standard from the past. Neither of my two tv sets
handle them, but each have a few HDMI connectors. I've brought home a
bunch of LCD monitors found on the sidewalk, none have S-video connectors,
most have nothing more than VGA. One or two have DVI connectors, but they
are all too old to have HDMI connectors. One can adapt HDMI to DVI, and
the reverse.

Michael

[Flasherly]

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:21:28 -0500, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca>
wrote:

>One could buy an older card, but then you lose the ability to do newer and
>fancier things that a new card can do.
>
>There's also compatibility. Older computers used to have lots of bus
>connectors, of various types, newer ones don't, and what they have may not
>be compatible. That's a tradeoff too. I have the urge to get a newer
>computer, I am tempted to just go and buy something new when it's on sale,
>but then I lose things like serial (and worse, parallel) ports, and so on.
>I've collected various video cards, some kind of interesting, but they may
>not fit into a newer computer. Or that card that digitizes video signals,
>that too may not fit.
>
>S-video is mostly a standard from the past. Neither of my two tv sets
>handle them, but each have a few HDMI connectors. I've brought home a
>bunch of LCD monitors found on the sidewalk, none have S-video connectors,
>most have nothing more than VGA. One or two have DVI connectors, but they
>are all too old to have HDMI connectors. One can adapt HDMI to DVI, and
>the reverse.

Don't know about newer and fancier as I'm looking for basic
comparability and not necessarily meeting all the latest standards
just because they're there;- computers hit the "speed wall" sometime
ago, at some point extra cores can become redundant, and what's "newer
and fancier" can be a step backward, as much marketing without much
further technical merit.

S-Video has some adherence, though. In filtering results for
features, I've found offhand perhaps 20% of new model flatpanel
televisions presently include a SVGA connector. I'd as soon not have
one without it and rather do without a "smart" TV and joining up on
another marketing "smart plan." There may be more provisions for that
aspect than conveniently to meet specs on a new build, with SVGA, i.e.
from either a MB chipset or PCI/PCI-E addon card.

There're powers, voltage differentials, besides, not in SVGA: to a
converter for newer standards, going backwards to SVGA, is the most
expensive.

Newer standards I'd doubt hardly so awkward, past some preliminary
assessment for applicability;- Both my quads, an AMD socket and Intel
775 are from about the same year manufacture, both MBs bought for
pre-chipped and SVGA-pin video outputs. I later bought and put in an
PCI-E DVI board, at the time an honorable thing it seemed to do, but
found the matter largely or better suited marketing:-- in my instance
not being a "gamer," interested, really, in the present Gamer Market
hegemony, I came to see, of present aftermarket videoboards -- and,
so, it was as much ado to toss that board into a scrapheap of PC
parts, some which assemblers invariably amass for discouragements.
Which I did.

Games seemed once be simple, easy fun. Last ones I played, maybe
along DOOM or Quake, there wasn't much to an install beyond
soundports. That changed to an Industrialization Aspect, however,
along with a marketing complexity for increasing standards. Next, and
still relatively dated, major outlets couldn't meet such standards,
(while the PC marketing sagged to an onslaught of handhelds for
mobilizing the masses to computing);- A saying then emerged from the
direct retailers for PC marketing: Games Either Make or Break 'em.

Americans really do love their games, it could be important to note,
with half with little other reason to own a domestic computing device.
Effectively, you could say and bet your bottom dollar on it, in case
you want to buy industrial stock offerings in the gaming industry;-
there's no doubt worse places to literally lose the shirt off your
back.

Why, then, does the video-card industry suck... Or not? Although I
also once skittered, tottered off the edge of playing and enjoying
games, I feel if I was somehow chosen and pulled back in order to have
to "grow up" to the fact that sitting in front of a game terminal will
eventually stunt if rot and cause irrevocable brain damage. Mileage
varying, of course, with what serves a broader sensibility for cretin
amusements, with all due respect;- Perhaps I should mind better and
further disqualify myself for appeal by indecent partiality to higher
morality...dramatic improvements over video encodes, within SVGA
standards, for celluloid-filmed and CAD-animated movies released in
high definition digital renditions, perhaps . . . .