Freeware Logo Contest: Vote (please...)

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
vote - they are are all listed here:

http://home.no/buffy2/

Voting process is the standard pricelessware one:
Respond to this thread and let only the line/entry for the image you
vote for be left:

< "Number - image name - artist"

1. Freeware Dollar Globe - by Mike Carson
2. The Diskette Gift - by Clive Savage
3. The CD Gift - by CHarneyCHRIS
4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea
5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS
6. The No Dollar Sign - by Clive Savage
7. Wrapped Gift 1 - by CHarneyCHRIS
8. The Freeware Faerie - <artist unknown>
9. 234x60 freeware banner - by Ronald Sandee
10. Animated freeware image 2 - by SOS
11. Wrapped Gift 2 - by CHarneyCHRIS
12. Butterfly Freeware Coll. - by Charles Angelich
13. The acf F.A.Q. logo 00/03 - by La Bete (?)
14. Earth in hands - <artist unknown>
15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee
16. No Currency Freeware - by Mark Carson
17. Globe on disks - <artist unknown>

http://home.no/buffy2/

*Voting closes Sunday 19. December 2004*

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Big thanks to all who has contrubuted with their time, effort and
artistics skills to make all these images. Without you this could not
have happened. :-)

Of course I hope so many people as possible will vote, or else the
winning image will have little credibility. Therefor I hereby challenge
all the 100+ "members" of a.c.f. listed in the "acf_where" thread to
vote! ;-)

Note: I'm sorry - I forgot about making the page look good for all of
you with a 800x600 screen resolution this time! :-(

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What is this about?
Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
logo or symbol for freeware.
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Regards from Vegard

--
Vegard Krog Petersen - Norway

My sites:
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Solitaire MahJongg: http://home.halden.net/vkp/vkp/
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Chinese Checkers: http://home.no.net/vkp/
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Sarah Michelle Gellar Solitaire: http://home.halden.net/vkp/
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Freeware Logo: http://home.no/buffy2/
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My fishy site (fishing games): http://home.no/vkp32/
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Fredrikshald Havfiskeklubb: http://www.fredrikshald-havfiske.no
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[jescue]

4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea

"Vegard Krog Petersen" <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[FadedGlory]

"Vegard Krog Petersen" <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:coqs1a$e7$1...@news.tdcnorge.no...

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

FG

[GoodTime Barnie]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:21:34 +0100, Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
> vote - they are are all listed here:

> < "Number - image name - artist"

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

Thank you Vegard this is my choice GoodTime Barnie

[Aussie Bomber]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:21:34 +0100, Vegard Krog Petersen

<vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> ..... snip .....

My vote goes for 10. Animated freeware image 2 - by SOS

It gives the no cash no spyware message simply and clearly.

My only small gripe with it is the USA dollar note - it might have
more worldwide acceptance if it had a non-specific note such as that
shown by 16. No Currency Freeware - by Mark Carson

--
The Aussie Bomber
Carn The Dons!!

[REM]

15 is very nice and my favorite.

>15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

The no coin sign is more universal.

>4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea

Blinking anything are the bottom of the barrel imo.

--
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http://www.pricelessware.org
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org

[BarryTone]

15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

Wow! I am truly impressed! All of them are VERY good!

Now... Where can I get a larger version of "The Freeware Faerie"? :)

[MAMEngineer]

[Nicolaas Hawkins]

Please register my vote for:

1. Freeware Dollar Globe - by Mike Carson

--
Nicolaas Hawkins
Wellington, New Zealand

[Gert van der Kooij]

[canetoad]

[-Art-]

Wings of freeware
by Ronald Sandee

Looks the best to me...
-Art-

[My Key]

My vote:

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

Mike

[Helium]

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

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[ncSkeet]

Choice:

15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

Honorable mention:

8. The Freeware Faerie - <artist unknown>

Not usually into fairies and the like, but da-yum!
_______
ncSkeet

[SYSYPHUS' SISTER]

15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

SYSYPHUS' SISTER

[Sparx]

| 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

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Regards,

Sparx

>> The following ought to produce some neurological response <<

"The gap between the Ferrari Enzo and the Mercedes SLR is as wide as the
gap between Michael Schumacher and David Coulthard." -- Jeremy Clarkson,
Host of "Top Gear"

[Chris Lael]

[Doc]

Vegard Krog Petersen <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:coqs1a$e7$1...@news.tdcnorge.no:

[bigticket79]

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

--
"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour.
Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S
relativity."
- A. Einstein

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

BarryTone wrote:
> Now... Where can I get a larger version of "The Freeware Faerie"? :)

Sorry, BarryTone. You can't... The guys at the' Freeware World Team'
don't remember where they found her....

uuuuuuuuuuuuu (me crying!) :-)

regards from vegard

[Paul Urquhart]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>
> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
> vote - they are are all listed here:
>
> http://home.no/buffy2/
>
> Voting process is the standard pricelessware one:
> Respond to this thread and let only the line/entry for the image you
> vote for be left:
>

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

> 1. Freeware Dollar Globe - by Mike Carson

I'm voting also...

[Semolina Pilchard]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:21:34 +0100, Vegard Krog Petersen
<vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I vote for:

>4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea

but I don't mind as long as it's not that damned Freeware Faerie.
It's vomit-inducing.
--
Sem

[Frank]

[Jsp]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>
>
> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee
>

With a compliment to all contestants I would like to vote for nr. 15. I
vote for the whole set, so if this one wins, people can choose which one
to use.

Jsp

[MLC]

_Vegard Krog Petersen_, sabato 04/dic/2004:

> BarryTone wrote:
>> Now... Where can I get a larger version of "The Freeware Faerie"? :)
>
> Sorry, BarryTone. You can't... The guys at the' Freeware World Team'
> don't remember where they found her....
>
> uuuuuuuuuuuuu (me crying!) :-)
>

I'm seeing that "The Freeware Faerie" is the most voted.
I don't like it, I can't imagine how a naked woman (even with wings) could
be linked with "freeware". It has also a cartoon style that seems to me too
much childish.

I don't have the English language skills to express better my thoughts,
anyway I want at least underline that I'm not a bigot strict minded person,
on the contrary I'm liberal and love broad-mindedness.

--
Maria Luisa C - 04/12/2004 11.27.13
Q: If man evolved from the ape, how come there are still apes around?
A: Some of them were given choices.

[Peter Seiler]

Vegard Krog Petersen - 04.12.2004 00:21 :

> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
> vote - they are are all listed here:

here in acf over a year one vote thread follows the other. So acf
traffic consists primarely of votings. This is not a good development of
this NG, IMO.

--
by(e) PS

spam will be killed

[omega]

MLC <marialui...@gmail.com>:

>
> I'm seeing that "The Freeware Faerie" is the most voted.
> I don't like it, I can't imagine how a naked woman (even with wings) could
> be linked with "freeware". It has also a cartoon style that seems to me too
> much childish.

I find that image inappropriate, off on its own track, not standing for the
kind of things most of us feel to be represented in freeware.

Thing is, Maria, I think we have nothing to worry about. While I haven't
counted, I've the impression that there is a good landslide of votes in
favor of the "Wings of freeware" image.

> I don't have the English language skills to express better my thoughts,
> anyway I want at least underline that I'm not a bigot strict minded person,
> on the contrary I'm liberal and love broad-mindedness.

Here's my proposition. How about someone take Jean-Claude Van Damme's
fine male form as inspirational model, long legs draped, all smooth
and nude, sexual come-hither look, add some wings, and then have him
be our freeware faeire? It's only fair. =)

Well, ok... I spose I'll just go ahead and put in a gender-neutral vote
for "Wings of freeware." (Or one of R Sandee's variations on that image
http://home.tiscali.nl/~ti118953/logo/free2.html )

--
Karen S.

[Paul Wagenaars]

[Onno Voors]

Vegard Krog Petersen <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:coqs1a$e7$1...@news.tdcnorge.no:

> 16. No Currency Freeware - by Mark Carson
>

I vote for this one. It is simple and universal.

--
Onno Voors

[seabat]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:21:34 +0100, Vegard Krog Petersen
<vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

No doubt about it!!

--
The Seabat

[Semolina Pilchard]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 03:18:44 -0800, omega <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>Here's my proposition. How about someone take Jean-Claude Van Damme's
>fine male form as inspirational model, long legs draped, all smooth
>and nude, sexual come-hither look, add some wings, and then have him
>be our freeware faeire? It's only fair. =)

Heavens to Betsy, omega, steady on! Aren't things bad enough already?

Actually, I have nothing against nekked wimmin. Perhaps I should
rephrase that. It's not the nudity that upsets me, nor even such
vacuous, wishy-washy sexuality as the image might contain. No, it's
the whole cosily supernatural, childish
wish-the-world-were-other-than-it-is mindset that spoils my lunch. If
I found fairies at the bottom of my garden I'd dig 'em in as
fertiliser. Seems to me the less-hairy ape is already stupid enough
without working at it so hard.

>I find that image inappropriate, off on its own track, not standing for the
>kind of things most of us feel to be represented in freeware.

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Sorry for messing your post around
for my own ends, omega.
--
Sem

[Henry The Mole]

Hello, Vegard!

You wrote on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:21:34 +0100:

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

Best regards.
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[dfrog]

"> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

dfrog

[Mike Andrade]

Vegard Krog Petersen <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:coqs1a$e7$1...@news.tdcnorge.no:

> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind
> and
> vote - they are are all listed here:
>

I cannot imagine a sillier waste of time.

--
Mike
"No thanks, I'm just looking."

[REM]

> Mike Andrade <m...@box.invalid> wrote:

>> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind
>> and vote - they are are all listed here:

>I cannot imagine a sillier waste of time.

Yet you do this pretty much on a daily basis, don't you? Go figure.

--
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http://www.pricelessware.org
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org

[»Q«]

Mike Andrade <m...@box.invalid> wrote in
<news:Xns95B566433B8...@216.77.188.18>:

>> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your
>> mind and
>> vote - they are are all listed here:
>>
> I cannot imagine a sillier waste of time.

Other than spending your time pointing it out when you deem that others
are wasting their time, you mean?

--
»Q«

[Mike Andrade]

REM <REMbr...@inu.net> wrote in
news:s0m3r054e803fhnj2...@4ax.com:

>
>> Mike Andrade <m...@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind
>>> and vote - they are are all listed here:
>
>>I cannot imagine a sillier waste of time.
>
> Yet you do this pretty much on a daily basis, don't you? Go figure.
>

Since I don't post here daily, your point is moot. Go figure.

[dszady]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:21:34 +0100, Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
[...]

> 2. The Diskette Gift - by Clive Savage

Three reasons.
It loads quickly.

Is in the spirit of freeware authors doing it for the "love of the game".

But most of all
The universal circle-slash on the others seems to say 'no' to things other
than freeware and is not in keeping with the appreciated acceptance of the
gift (and it is a gift) such is freeware.

[...]

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[Chaos Master]

Vegard Krog Petersen to stdout:

I vote for:

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

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[Dewey Edwards]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:21:34 +0100, Vegard Krog Petersen

<vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>13. The acf F.A.Q. logo 00/03 - by La Bete (?)

>15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

I've always liked 13, but 15 is better.

[REM]

> Mike Andrade <m...@box.invalid> wrote:

>> REM <REMbr...@inu.net> wrote in

>>> Mike Andrade <m...@box.invalid> wrote:

>>>I cannot imagine a sillier waste of time.

>> Yet you do this pretty much on a daily basis, don't you? Go figure.

>Since I don't post here daily, your point is moot. Go figure.

I did say "pretty much," in describing your negative one liners.

It's a very sad person, Mike, who lives for nothing more than to
spread a poor attitude into an alt newsgroup. Consider getting a hobby
or something?? There are more meaningful things out there, for real.

[insert absurd one liner here]

[Mike Andrade]

REM <REMbr...@inu.net> wrote in
news:baq3r0p6f7m657hae...@4ax.com:

>
>> Mike Andrade <m...@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> REM <REMbr...@inu.net> wrote in
>
>>>> Mike Andrade <m...@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>I cannot imagine a sillier waste of time.
>
>>> Yet you do this pretty much on a daily basis, don't you? Go
>>> figure.
>
>>Since I don't post here daily, your point is moot. Go figure.
>
> I did say "pretty much," in describing your negative one liners.
>
> It's a very sad person, Mike, who lives for nothing more than to
> spread a poor attitude into an alt newsgroup. Consider getting a
> hobby or something?? There are more meaningful things out there,
> for real.
>

Spoken like a true clueless numbskull. Go figure.

[Susan Bugher]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

>
> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
> vote - they are are all listed here:
>

> http://home.no/buffy2/
>
> Voting process is the standard pricelessware one:
> Respond to this thread and let only the line/entry for the image you
> vote for be left:

> 2. The Diskette Gift - by Clive Savage

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

[Susan Bugher]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

> http://home.no/buffy2/

> What is this about?
> Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
> freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
> freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
> logo or symbol for freeware.

I think an ACF logo is a great idea.

I have a few qualms about the *wording* on the current front-runner:
Wings of Freeware. The image is copyrighted to R.Sandee. It seems to me
an ACF logo should be copyrighted to ACF.

I don't like "absolute free software". No spyware, no adware, no
shareware does NOT imply *FREEWARE* as ACF defines it. I think it would
be better to have a logo showing "Freeware" and "alt.comp.freeware"
ONLY. If the logo is used by other sites it should be linked to the ACF
Ware Glossary.

my 2 cents. . .

Susan
--
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ACF wiki: http://www.markcarter.me.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?AcfWiki

[Peter Seiler]

Susan Bugher - 04.12.2004 18:45 :

> I think an ACF logo is a great idea.

let's discuss renaiming acf to acfvg - alt.comp.freeware.voting.group

[El Gee]

Vegard Krog Petersen <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:coqs1a$e7$1...@news.tdcnorge.no:

> http://home.no/buffy2/

#15 from the web page.

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[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Susan Bugher wrote:
> Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>
> http://home.no/buffy2/
>
>
>> What is this about?
>> Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
>> freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
>> freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
>> logo or symbol for freeware.
>
> I think an ACF logo is a great idea.
>
> I have a few qualms about the *wording* on the current front-runner:
> Wings of Freeware. The image is copyrighted to R.Sandee. It seems to me
> an ACF logo should be copyrighted to ACF.
>
> I don't like "absolute free software". No spyware, no adware, no
> shareware does NOT imply *FREEWARE* as ACF defines it. I think it would
> be better to have a logo showing "Freeware" and "alt.comp.freeware"
> ONLY. If the logo is used by other sites it should be linked to the ACF
> Ware Glossary.
>
> my 2 cents. . . Susan

Your 2 cents are always appreciated, Susan - even though I not always
agree with you ;-)

The idea of a logo or symbol for freeware is a process. I had not
thought all of the practicals details before I suggested such an image.

I have been made aware about the question of image copyright and which
sites/programs should be allowed to use 'the freeware logo' image. We
(I, the creator of the winning image, and the acf group) must sort out
this issues before we can use the logo. And I'm hoping for some sort of
co-operating with the pricelessware sites.

At the moment Ronald Sandee with his "Wings of freeware" seems to be
headed for a landslide victory (but people can vote for two more weeks).
I have been in contact with Ronald earlier and I'm sure we can work out
something all can agree upon (*if* he wins!).

I hope we can let this thread be a voting thread only - for now.

Regards from Vegard

--
Vegard Krog Petersen - Norway

My sites:
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Solitaire MahJongg: http://home.halden.net/vkp/vkp/
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Chinese Checkers: http://home.no.net/vkp/
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Sarah Michelle Gellar Solitaire: http://home.halden.net/vkp/
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Freeware Logo: http://home.no/buffy2/
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My fishy site (fishing games): http://home.no/vkp32/
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Fredrikshald Havfiskeklubb: http://www.fredrikshald-havfiske.no
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[Paul Urquhart]

Peter Seiler wrote:
> Susan Bugher - 04.12.2004 18:45 :
>
>
>>I think an ACF logo is a great idea.
>
>
> let's discuss renaiming acf to acfvg - alt.comp.freeware.voting.group
>

No, let's vote on it :-)

[cathair]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:56:54 -0600, El Gee wrote:

> Vegard Krog Petersen <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:coqs1a$e7$1...@news.tdcnorge.no:
>
>> http://home.no/buffy2/
>
> #15 from the web page.

#15 also.

[Peter Seiler]

Paul Urquhart - 04.12.2004 21:24 :

;-)

[John Fitzsimons]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:23:58 +0100, Vegard Krog Petersen
<vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote:

< snip >

>At the moment Ronald Sandee with his "Wings of freeware" seems to be
>headed for a landslide victory (but people can vote for two more weeks).
>I have been in contact with Ronald earlier and I'm sure we can work out
>something all can agree upon (*if* he wins!).

Any chance of your getting him to change...

"Absolute free software"

to

"Free software" ?

IMO even "Absolutely free software" would sound better than the
current option.

Regards, John.

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[#]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:45:00 -0500, Susan Bugher wrote:

> Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>
>> http://home.no/buffy2/
>
>> What is this about?
>> Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
>> freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
>> freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
>> logo or symbol for freeware.
>
> I think an ACF logo is a great idea.
>
> I have a few qualms about the *wording* on the current front-runner:
> Wings of Freeware. The image is copyrighted to R.Sandee. It seems to me
> an ACF logo should be copyrighted to ACF.
>
> I don't like "absolute free software". No spyware, no adware, no
> shareware does NOT imply *FREEWARE* as ACF defines it. I think it would
> be better to have a logo showing "Freeware" and "alt.comp.freeware"
> ONLY. If the logo is used by other sites it should be linked to the ACF
> Ware Glossary.

I don't see any reason why the image should be copyrighted to ACF. Just as
freeware software copyright remains with the original author, the original
artist is entitled to authorship recognition. That allows for any misuse
of the image to be addressed by the original author. As far as I can see,
there are no issues over the end-user license when it comes to use of the
image on freeware websites.

I think it is good stating "No spyware, no adware, no shareware" as it
makes it clear to those that may not be entirely familiar with the true
freeware concept that there are many traps for the unwary when it comes to
"free" software. It is designed as a logo with a simple message, not a
technical document providing minute detail over the precise definition of
freeware according to ACF.

As one other poster pointed out, "absolutely" would be a better grammatical
wording then "absolute" in this context.

[Rudy Versele]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

> Voting process is the standard pricelessware one:
> Respond to this thread and let only the line/entry for the image you
> vote for be left:
>

> < "Number - image name - artist"
>
> 1. Freeware Dollar Globe - by Mike Carson

> 2. The Diskette Gift - by Clive Savage

> 3. The CD Gift - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea
> 5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS
> 6. The No Dollar Sign - by Clive Savage
> 7. Wrapped Gift 1 - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 8. The Freeware Faerie - <artist unknown>
> 9. 234x60 freeware banner - by Ronald Sandee
> 10. Animated freeware image 2 - by SOS
> 11. Wrapped Gift 2 - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 12. Butterfly Freeware Coll. - by Charles Angelich

> 13. The acf F.A.Q. logo 00/03 - by La Bete (?)

> 14. Earth in hands - <artist unknown>

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

> 16. No Currency Freeware - by Mark Carson

> 17. Globe on disks - <artist unknown>
<SNIP>

Okay, I try to vote:
I like the 15. Wings of freeware the most, but it is so big!
I think the maximum size of a logo should be 32x32, so that we can use
it on a freeware site.

The 1. Freeware Dollar Globe is very nice too. (only the dollar sign,
not the other sign as euro and pound)
It's better resible to 32x32 than the "Wings", but still I love the
wings more.

In fact, I don't like to compare freeware with money. eg. When I got an
email wherein stays: "you don't have to pay anything", I am very sure
that they want to steal all my money. What I meant to say is: show the
people a symbol of money on your website, and they will leave your site
immediately, because they will be afraid that they have to pay at last.
The nicest slogan I ever saw was: "a Free download for a Free World".
In most cases "freeware" means: the author cannot sell the game, because
it's too poor. He doesn't believe in shareware, so it will be freeware.
I hate that thinking!
Freeware as a step to a free world, that's real freeware!
A bird is a symbol of freedom, that's why I like the "Wings of freeware"
the most.

Rudy

[Clive Savage]

My vote is for...

>15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

Bye for now.

Clive.

[#]

http://home.tiscali.nl/~ti118953/logo/free03.png

(with an update to read Absolute*LY* free software)

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Rudy Versele wrote:
> Okay, I try to vote:
> I like the 15. Wings of freeware the most, but it is so big!
> I think the maximum size of a logo should be 32x32, so that we can use
> it on a freeware site.

> Rudy

OT : Nice to see you back again, Rudy! :-)

On-topic: 32x32? That would be an icon, not an logo or symbol... ;-)

regards from vegard

[Rudy Versele]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>
> Rudy Versele wrote:
> > Okay, I try to vote:
> > I like the 15. Wings of freeware the most, but it is so big!
> > I think the maximum size of a logo should be 32x32, so that we can use
> > it on a freeware site.
> > Rudy
>
> OT : Nice to see you back again, Rudy! :-)
>
> On-topic: 32x32? That would be an icon, not an logo or symbol... ;-)
>

Indeed, my friend! But I cannot use a "big image" on each free game I
have. I would like to add a small picture (an icon) on each game to show
it is a freeware game. But those logo's are almost bigger than the
screenshots I use for the games! So, my question is: When is such a big
logo usable?

Rudy

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Rudy Versele wrote:
> But I cannot use a "big image" on each free game I
> have. I would like to add a small picture (an icon) on each game to show
> it is a freeware game. But those logo's are almost bigger than the
> screenshots I use for the games! So, my question is: When is such a big
> logo usable?
>
> Rudy

A big logo is usable for identifying websites with freeware programs, or
perhaps as part of a splash screen.

I see the difficulty in getting versions of the *same* image to function
both as an icon and as an logo...

Wings in an icon? That would be difficult... :-)

But whoever win the vote - I'm sure we can arrange for the winning image
to be "split" into different sizes, perhaps in such a manner that it can
be used and recognized as *both" an icon and an logo.

We'll just have to wait and see.... :-)

kind regards from vegard

[Rudy Versele]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

<SNIP>

> A big logo is usable for identifying websites with freeware programs, or
> perhaps as part of a splash screen.
>
> I see the difficulty in getting versions of the *same* image to function
> both as an icon and as an logo...
>
> Wings in an icon? That would be difficult... :-)
>
> But whoever win the vote - I'm sure we can arrange for the winning image
> to be "split" into different sizes, perhaps in such a manner that it can
> be used and recognized as *both" an icon and an logo.
>
> We'll just have to wait and see.... :-)
>

As I see on this forum, I think that the Wings (#15) already won this
contest ;)

Rudy - Belgium (a bit warmer than Norway, brrrr ;))

[Aussie Bomber]

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 11:43:43 +0100, MLC <marialui...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I'm seeing that "The Freeware Faerie" is the most voted.
>I don't like it, I can't imagine how a naked woman (even with wings) could
>be linked with "freeware". It has also a cartoon style that seems to me too
>much childish.
>
>I don't have the English language skills to express better my thoughts,
>anyway I want at least underline that I'm not a bigot strict minded person,
>on the contrary I'm liberal and love broad-mindedness.

Expressed well enough for me - I totally agree.

The "Faerie" image is very attractive and I would be happy to see it
used for other things but its relevance to freeware escapes me!!

--
The Aussie Bomber
Carn The Dons!!

[seabat]

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:35:48 +1300, # <9...@numbers.for.you> wrote:

>
>>>
>>>I don't see any reason why the image should be copyrighted to ACF. Just as
>>>freeware software copyright remains with the original author, the original
>>>artist is entitled to authorship recognition. That allows for any misuse
>>>of the image to be addressed by the original author. As far as I can see,
>>>there are no issues over the end-user license when it comes to use of the
>>>image on freeware websites.
>>>
>>>I think it is good stating "No spyware, no adware, no shareware" as it
>>>makes it clear to those that may not be entirely familiar with the true
>>>freeware concept that there are many traps for the unwary when it comes to
>>>"free" software. It is designed as a logo with a simple message, not a
>>>technical document providing minute detail over the precise definition of
>>>freeware according to ACF.
>>>
>>>As one other poster pointed out, "absolutely" would be a better grammatical
>>>wording then "absolute" in this context.

Ditto!

--
The Seabat

[Jaxxim]

["Jsp"; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:26:35 GMT]

>> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

> With a compliment to all contestants I would like to vote for nr. 15. I
> vote for the whole set, so if this one wins, people can choose which one
> to use.

I agree. Anything by Ronald Sandee -- numbers 15 or 9 -- is all right by me,
and if one of these wins, let's have a follow-up vote to choose the specific
design. With respect to everybody, only these two entries -- and also, I
think, number 1 -- look professional and anywhere near anything resembling
freeware. (The Freeware Faerie? WTF, man? And I'm down with fairies!)

[Signpoet]

I vote for #2

[Jaxxim]

["John Fitzsimons"; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:46:31 GMT]

> Any chance of your getting him to change...
>
> "Absolute free software"

Yeah, that's not so great. I like "Totally free software," myself. Or "Free
software only."

[baylady]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>
> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
> vote - they are are all listed here:
>
> http://home.no/buffy2/
>

> Voting process is the standard pricelessware one:
> Respond to this thread and let only the line/entry for the image you
> vote for be left:
>
> < "Number - image name - artist"
>
> 1. Freeware Dollar Globe - by Mike Carson
> 2. The Diskette Gift - by Clive Savage
> 3. The CD Gift - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea
> 5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS
> 6. The No Dollar Sign - by Clive Savage
> 7. Wrapped Gift 1 - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 8. The Freeware Faerie - <artist unknown>
> 9. 234x60 freeware banner - by Ronald Sandee
> 10. Animated freeware image 2 - by SOS
> 11. Wrapped Gift 2 - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 12. Butterfly Freeware Coll. - by Charles Angelich
> 13. The acf F.A.Q. logo 00/03 - by La Bete (?)
> 14. Earth in hands - <artist unknown>

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

> 16. No Currency Freeware - by Mark Carson
> 17. Globe on disks - <artist unknown>
>
>

> http://home.no/buffy2/
>
> *Voting closes Sunday 19. December 2004*
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Big thanks to all who has contrubuted with their time, effort and
> artistics skills to make all these images. Without you this could not
> have happened. :-)
>
> Of course I hope so many people as possible will vote, or else the
> winning image will have little credibility. Therefor I hereby challenge
> all the 100+ "members" of a.c.f. listed in the "acf_where" thread to
> vote! ;-)
>
> Note: I'm sorry - I forgot about making the page look good for all of
> you with a 800x600 screen resolution this time! :-(
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

> What is this about?
> Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
> freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
> freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
> logo or symbol for freeware.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Regards from Vegard

[Lee Babcock]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

>
> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
> vote - they are are all listed here:
>

> Regards from Vegard

Vegard...... my thanks for all the work you and others have put into
this logo, but I won't be voting as I don't think any of them express
'freeware'.
Almost all seem to focus on 'free' and some are too American for an
internaltional symbol.
None actually focus on software other than to display the medium that it
may to transported on.
How about another shot guys?
Regards
Lee in Toronto

[Susan Bugher]

# wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:45:00 -0500, Susan Bugher wrote:
>>Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>>
>>> http://home.no/buffy2/
>>
>>>What is this about?
>>>Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
>>>freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
>>>freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
>>>logo or symbol for freeware.
>>
>>I think an ACF logo is a great idea.
>>
>>I have a few qualms about the *wording* on the current front-runner:
>>Wings of Freeware. The image is copyrighted to R.Sandee. It seems to me
>>an ACF logo should be copyrighted to ACF.
>>
>>I don't like "absolute free software". No spyware, no adware, no
>>shareware does NOT imply *FREEWARE* as ACF defines it. I think it would
>>be better to have a logo showing "Freeware" and "alt.comp.freeware"
>>ONLY. If the logo is used by other sites it should be linked to the ACF
>>Ware Glossary.
>
> I don't see any reason why the image should be copyrighted to ACF. Just as
> freeware software copyright remains with the original author, the original
> artist is entitled to authorship recognition.

Authorship and copyright are not the same thing. Contributors to ACF are
given recognition. See:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2004/about2004PL.php

ACF should not be dependant on any one person. Newsgroup participants
come and go - the newsgroup lives on. I author the ACF and Pricelessware
web pages and copyright them to ACF to help ensure continuity.

That allows for any misuse
> of the image to be addressed by the original author.

I disagree. IMO misuse of an ACF logo should be a matter for
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants to address, not one individual.

As far as I can see,
> there are no issues over the end-user license when it comes to use of the
> image on freeware websites.

http://home.tiscali.nl/~ti118953/logo/free2.html

<q> © all images RSandee2004 TheNetherlands (for personal use only!) </q>

IMO there are issues. . . IMO the conditions for use should be set by
ACF participants, not one individual. . .

> I think it is good stating "No spyware, no adware, no shareware" as it
> makes it clear to those that may not be entirely familiar with the true
> freeware concept that there are many traps for the unwary when it comes to
> "free" software. It is designed as a logo with a simple message, not a
> technical document providing minute detail over the precise definition of
> freeware according to ACF.
>
> As one other poster pointed out, "absolutely" would be a better grammatical
> wording then "absolute" in this context.

*Misleading* language should not be used. It's better to omit *all*
those pesky "technical details". IOW omit: "No spyware, no adware, no
shareware" and "absolute free software".

"Absolute" or "absolutely free software" means:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php

<q> Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish. </q> and as a minimum,
that means *NO*:

Adware
CDWare
Commercial Software
Crippleware
Demo-ware
Donationware
Liteware
Malware
Nagware
Registerware
Requestware
Shareware
Spyware
Trialware
Warez

and speaking of unclear on the concept - see:

http://www.pragerbooksellers.com/html/book_inventory_program.html

<q>I had decided to let others use it as shareware, which as most of you
know means “free” without warranty or liability of any kind. However, a
small donation is always greatly appreciated.</q>

;)

[Susan Bugher]

Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>> Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>>
>> http://home.no/buffy2/
>>
>>> What is this about?
>>> Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
>>> freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
>>> freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
>>> logo or symbol for freeware.
>>
>> I think an ACF logo is a great idea.
>>
>> I have a few qualms about the *wording* on the current front-runner:
>> Wings of Freeware. The image is copyrighted to R.Sandee. It seems to
>> me an ACF logo should be copyrighted to ACF.
>>
>> I don't like "absolute free software". No spyware, no adware, no
>> shareware does NOT imply *FREEWARE* as ACF defines it. I think it
>> would be better to have a logo showing "Freeware" and
>> "alt.comp.freeware" ONLY. If the logo is used by other sites it should
>> be linked to the ACF Ware Glossary.
>>
>> my 2 cents. . . Susan
>
> Your 2 cents are always appreciated, Susan - even though I not always
> agree with you ;-)

Life would be very dull if you did. ;)

> The idea of a logo or symbol for freeware is a process. I had not
> thought all of the practicals details before I suggested such an image.

We've been talking about a "symbol" for freeware. I think having an
image that includes words, especially when the words include
"alt.comp.freeware", has changed the situation.

> I have been made aware about the question of image copyright and which
> sites/programs should be allowed to use 'the freeware logo' image. We
> (I, the creator of the winning image, and the acf group) must sort out
> this issues before we can use the logo. And I'm hoping for some sort of
> co-operating with the pricelessware sites.

That's a yup here. :)

> At the moment Ronald Sandee with his "Wings of freeware" seems to be
> headed for a landslide victory (but people can vote for two more weeks).
> I have been in contact with Ronald earlier and I'm sure we can work out
> something all can agree upon (*if* he wins!).

It would be nice to hear from him *directly*.

> I hope we can let this thread be a voting thread only - for now.
>
> Regards from Vegard

I'll try to restrain myself but. . . you've set rather a long time for
the vote. Everybody may be asleep when it's over. ;)

[#]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:08:06 -0500, Susan Bugher wrote:

>> I don't see any reason why the image should be copyrighted to ACF. Just as
>> freeware software copyright remains with the original author, the original
>> artist is entitled to authorship recognition.
>
> Authorship and copyright are not the same thing. Contributors to ACF are
> given recognition. See:
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2004/about2004PL.php

I am not going to dispute definitions of authorship or copyright, but
merely state that he is the author and copyright holder, and that I think
it best if it remains that way for reasons to be detailed later.

> ACF should not be dependant on any one person. Newsgroup participants
> come and go - the newsgroup lives on. I author the ACF and Pricelessware
> web pages and copyright them to ACF to help ensure continuity.

The use of a logo chosen by participants hardly makes ACF "dependent on any
one person". The author is merely another contributor whose work in this
case would appear to be a likely choice based on current voting patterns.

Freeware software also comes and goes, and a lot of old unsupported
packages are still available for download and use.

I am sure that if the logo is deemed unsuitable for use in future years, or
they find the "personal use" license provisions too restrictive, that ACF
contributors are more than capable of holding a vote to determine a
suitable logo should the need arise.

> That allows for any misuse
>> of the image to be addressed by the original author.
>
> I disagree. IMO misuse of an ACF logo should be a matter for
> alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants to address, not one individual.

"ACF" is not an individual or registered body that is realistically capable
of addressing copyright matters, particularly if legal issues should arise
- however, the original author is. It is my understanding that copyright
in a work is automatically vested in the creator, unless they choose to
assign that right. Of course, this does not prevent ACF participants from
bringing forth notifications or concerns over potential misuse.

> As far as I can see,
>> there are no issues over the end-user license when it comes to use of the
>> image on freeware websites.
>
> http://home.tiscali.nl/~ti118953/logo/free2.html
>
> <q> © all images RSandee2004 TheNetherlands (for personal use only!) </q>
>
> IMO there are issues. . . IMO the conditions for use should be set by
> ACF participants, not one individual. . .

I am sure that ACF participants are more than capable of making a decision
as to which logo they choose based upon the information provided. If they
are unhappy with the usage provisions, I am sure they are able to factor
this into the equation when voting or making a final choice.

What is the problem with a "for personal use only" license?

Freeware software often also comes with specific license agreements - do we
still accept and use a particular package knowing those details?

>> I think it is good stating "No spyware, no adware, no shareware" as it
>> makes it clear to those that may not be entirely familiar with the true
>> freeware concept that there are many traps for the unwary when it comes to
>> "free" software. It is designed as a logo with a simple message, not a
>> technical document providing minute detail over the precise definition of
>> freeware according to ACF.
> >
>> As one other poster pointed out, "absolutely" would be a better grammatical
>> wording then "absolute" in this context.
>
> *Misleading* language should not be used. It's better to omit *all*
> those pesky "technical details". IOW omit: "No spyware, no adware, no
> shareware" and "absolute free software".

Hardly misleading. On the contrary, it is making it clear that there is
*NO* adware, spyware or shareware. These are commonly used terms that
people would be familiar with and show that freeware is distinct from these
well known items. Covering the majors: Short, snappy and to the point.

> "Absolute" or "absolutely free software" means:
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php
>
> <q> Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
> monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish. </q> and as a minimum,
> that means *NO*:

So I would take it that you have no real objection to the term "Absolutely
free software" as it basically says the same thing in fewer words.

> Adware
> CDWare
> Commercial Software
> Crippleware
> Demo-ware
> Donationware
> Liteware
> Malware
> Nagware
> Registerware
> Requestware
> Shareware
> Spyware
> Trialware
> Warez

As you mentioned previously, there would be no harm in including a link to
the pricelessware glossary page if the webmaster of the site thought it
would be benficial for clarification of the explicit "ware" definitions.

[miskairal]

[imabrowneye]

Vegard Krog Petersen <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:coqs1a
$e7$1...@news.tdcnorge.no:

>
> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
> vote - they are are all listed here:
>
>
>

> 5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS

This one has got my vote....

JB

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Susan Bugher wrote:
> I'll try to restrain myself but. . . you've set rather a long time for
> the vote. Everybody may be asleep when it's over. ;)
>
> Susan

Yes, silly of me, to long voting time...
I'll stop trying to squash any discussion! :-)

[Anne Carle]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:52:29 -0500, baylady <bay...@intergate.com>
wrote:

#4 as its meaning should be universally understood...

Anne/OH

[Vic Dura]

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 09:46:31 +1100, RE: Re: Freeware Logo Contest:
Discussion John Fitzsimons <DELETEu...@sneakemail.com> wrote:

>
>"Absolute free software"

Sounds like free software made by a vodka company.

--
See the A.C.F alternative FAQ at http://stalkingsheep.co.uk/antifaq.htm
In an unmoderated NG you can control what you read and what you write.
That's all you can control.

[Dewey Edwards]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:08:06 -0500, Susan Bugher

<whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:

>ACF should not be dependant on any one person. Newsgroup participants
>come and go - the newsgroup lives on. I author the ACF and Pricelessware
>web pages and copyright them to ACF to help ensure continuity.

More correctly, you assign YOUR copyright to ACF.

[granpaw]

>>> 5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS

No question about it.

[Susan Bugher]

# wrote:

> On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:08:06 -0500, Susan Bugher wrote:

> I am not going to dispute definitions of authorship or copyright, but
> merely state that he is the author and copyright holder, and that I think
> it best if it remains that way for reasons to be detailed later.

Why not now?

>>http://home.tiscali.nl/~ti118953/logo/free2.html
>>
>><q> © all images RSandee2004 TheNetherlands (for personal use only!) </q>
>>
>>IMO there are issues. . . IMO the conditions for use should be set by
>>ACF participants, not one individual. . .

> What is the problem with a "for personal use only" license?

Just for openers - the Pricelessware sites would not be able to use the
image.

>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php
>>
>><q> Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
>>monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish. </q> and as a minimum,
>>that means *NO*:
>
> So I would take it that you have no real objection to the term "Absolutely
> free software" as it basically says the same thing in fewer words.

I can't think of any use for an image with such a slogan. The
Pricelessware List has programs that are not "Absolutely free software".
ACF discusses more than "Absolutely free software". Freeware sites
generally offer programs that are not "Absolutely free software". . .

[Le Loup]

Vegard Krog Petersen a couché sur son écran :

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

Cordialement,
Hervé LOTH

--
LE LOUP THEATRE
www.lelouptheatre.tk

[»Q«]

Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in
<news:10r68gc...@corp.supernews.com>:

>> "Absolutely free software" as it basically says the same thing in
>> fewer words.
>
> I can't think of any use for an image with such a slogan. The
> Pricelessware List has programs that are not "Absolutely free
> software". ACF discusses more than "Absolutely free software".
> Freeware sites generally offer programs that are not "Absolutely
> free software". . .

IMO, the phrase 'free software' should not be used. The FSF
have done a pretty good job of promoting that phrase as a label for
open source software which can be mofified and redistributed.

--
»Q«

[Jimw]

I also like the Dollar Globe not the uro or lb

"Paul Blarmy" <foxe...@trashmail.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c1cfc455...@news.individual.de...
> On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 23:49:59 GMT, Rudy Versele wrote...
>
>> The 1. Freeware Dollar Globe is very nice too. (only the dollar sign,
>> not the other sign as euro and pound)
>
> The dollar is NOT international currency. Freeware IS international and
> as such shouldn't be represented by a specific currency symbol.
>
> IMHO of course :-)
>
> --
> EMail address is disposable and NEVER checked.
> Outgoing message is certified VIRUS FREE by
> *me* using nothing more than common sense.

[Aussie Bomber]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:30:51 -0600, Jaxxim <wnkkvz[@]friragl8.a_g>
wrote:

>["Jsp"; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:26:35 GMT]
>
>>> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee
>
>> With a compliment to all contestants I would like to vote for nr. 15. I
>> vote for the whole set, so if this one wins, people can choose which one
>> to use.
>
>I agree. Anything by Ronald Sandee

> ..... snip .....

You're not his mother, are you?? ;-)

[Aussie Bomber]

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:52:28 +0000, jo <ki...@lineone.net> wrote:

>Lee Babcock wrote:
>
>>Vegard...... my thanks for all the work you and others have put into
>>this logo, but I won't be voting as I don't think any of them express
>>'freeware'.
>>Almost all seem to focus on 'free' and some are too American for an
>>internaltional symbol.
>

>The current favourite puts me in mind of a Harley...
> ..... snip .....

Of course!! - I wondered why it looked familar!

[fireryone]

"Vegard Krog Petersen" <vegard_kro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:coqs1a$e7$1...@news.tdcnorge.no...

>
> Please take some time to study the contestants, make up your mind and
> vote - they are are all listed here:
>
> http://home.no/buffy2/
>
> Voting process is the standard pricelessware one:
> Respond to this thread and let only the line/entry for the image you
> vote for be left:
>
> < "Number - image name - artist"
>
> 1. Freeware Dollar Globe - by Mike Carson
> 2. The Diskette Gift - by Clive Savage
> 3. The CD Gift - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 4. The No Coin Sign - by Crispy Sea

> 5. Animated freeware image 1 - by SOS

> 6. The No Dollar Sign - by Clive Savage
> 7. Wrapped Gift 1 - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 8. The Freeware Faerie - <artist unknown>
> 9. 234x60 freeware banner - by Ronald Sandee
> 10. Animated freeware image 2 - by SOS
> 11. Wrapped Gift 2 - by CHarneyCHRIS
> 12. Butterfly Freeware Coll. - by Charles Angelich
> 13. The acf F.A.Q. logo 00/03 - by La Bete (?)
> 14. Earth in hands - <artist unknown>

> 15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

> 16. No Currency Freeware - by Mark Carson
> 17. Globe on disks - <artist unknown>

12. Butterfly Freeware Coll - by Charles Angelich (pins through the MSN
Butterfly)
&

15. Wings of freeware - by Ronald Sandee

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>
>
> http://home.no/buffy2/
>
> *Voting closes Sunday 19. December 2004*
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Big thanks to all who has contrubuted with their time, effort and
> artistics skills to make all these images. Without you this could not
> have happened. :-)
>
> Of course I hope so many people as possible will vote, or else the
> winning image will have little credibility. Therefor I hereby challenge
> all the 100+ "members" of a.c.f. listed in the "acf_where" thread to
> vote! ;-)
>
> Note: I'm sorry - I forgot about making the page look good for all of
> you with a 800x600 screen resolution this time! :-(
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> What is this about?
> Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
> freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
> freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
> logo or symbol for freeware.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Regards from Vegard
>

[Nicolaas Hawkins]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:45:00 -0500, Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net>
wrote in <news:10r3tnh...@corp.supernews.com>:

> Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:
>
>> http://home.no/buffy2/
>

>> What is this about?
>> Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
>> freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
>> freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
>> logo or symbol for freeware.
>

> I think an ACF logo is a great idea.

With respect, Susan, I think you may have hold of the wrong end of the
stick here.
I believe Mr Petersen was intending to elicit a consensus on a FREEWARE
logo, not an ACF logo (i.e., a logo that could be used at the
copyrightholder's discretion to denote "genuine" Freeware in the
commonly-accepted sense [i.e., as would reasonably be understood by a
reasonable person {i.e., fanatics notwithstanding}]) without having
necessarily to gain the "approval" of ACF for its use (and who would be
the approving authority, and why? - it would be idle - nay, stupid - to
suggest that every use should be voted on and its use in that way would be
impossible to police.)

>
> I have a few qualms about the *wording* on the current front-runner:
> Wings of Freeware. The image is copyrighted to R.Sandee. It seems to me

> an ACF logo should be copyrighted to ACF.

N/A - see above

> I don't like "absolute free software". No spyware, no adware, no
> shareware does NOT imply *FREEWARE* as ACF defines it. I think it would
> be better to have a logo showing "Freeware" and "alt.comp.freeware"
> ONLY. If the logo is used by other sites it should be linked to the ACF
> Ware Glossary.
>
> my 2 cents. . .
>
> Susan

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Nicolaas Hawkins
Wellington, New Zealand
6 Dec 04 19:23:43

[Bill Day]

[Susan Bugher]

Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:45:00 -0500, Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net>
> wrote in <news:10r3tnh...@corp.supernews.com>:
>>Vegard Krog Petersen wrote:

>>> http://home.no/buffy2/
>>
>>>What is this about?
>>>Just trying to get the alt.comp.freeware (acf) group to agree on a
>>>freeware symbol or logo. My intention was that it could be used on
>>>freeware sites and in freeware programs. A "universally" recognizable
>>>logo or symbol for freeware.
>>
>>I think an ACF logo is a great idea.
>
>
> With respect, Susan, I think you may have hold of the wrong end of the
> stick here.
> I believe Mr Petersen was intending to elicit a consensus on a FREEWARE
> logo, not an ACF logo (i.e., a logo that could be used at the
> copyrightholder's discretion to denote "genuine" Freeware in the
> commonly-accepted sense [i.e., as would reasonably be understood by a
> reasonable person {i.e., fanatics notwithstanding}]) without having
> necessarily to gain the "approval" of ACF for its use (and who would be
> the approving authority, and why? - it would be idle - nay, stupid - to
> suggest that every use should be voted on and its use in that way would be
> impossible to police.)

http://home.no/buffy2/ displays 17 freeware images. 16 of them are
FREEWARE logos (they are images without words).

Number 15 (wings of freeware) says alt.comp.freeware - the addition of
those words changes that image from a FREEWARE logo to an ACF logo.

>>I have a few qualms about the *wording* on the current front-runner:
>>Wings of Freeware. The image is copyrighted to R.Sandee. It seems to me
>>an ACF logo should be copyrighted to ACF.
>
> N/A - see above

I disagree.

>>I don't like "absolute free software". No spyware, no adware, no
>>shareware does NOT imply *FREEWARE* as ACF defines it. I think it would
>>be better to have a logo showing "Freeware" and "alt.comp.freeware"
>>ONLY. If the logo is used by other sites it should be linked to the ACF
>>Ware Glossary.
>>
>>my 2 cents. . .

I like the "wings of freeware" *image* - I think the *words* about ACF
that have been superimposed upon it should be revised or removed.

[Jaxxim]

["Aussie Bomber"; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:37:51 GMT]

> You're not his mother, are you?? ;-)

WHO TOLD Y--! I mean ... no. No, not at all.
--
Jaxxim, who says, "Please quote previous posts judiciously!"

[Vegard Krog Petersen]

Susan Bugher wrote:

> Nicolaas Hawkins wrote:
>> With respect, Susan, I think you may have hold of the wrong end of the
>> stick here. I believe Mr Petersen was intending to elicit a consensus
>> on a FREEWARE
>> logo, not an ACF logo (i.e., a logo that could be used at the
>> copyrightholder's discretion to denote "genuine" Freeware in the
>> commonly-accepted sense [i.e., as would reasonably be understood by a
>> reasonable person {i.e., fanatics notwithstanding}]) without having
>> necessarily to gain the "approval" of ACF for its use (and who would be
>> the approving authority, and why? - it would be idle - nay, stupid - to
>> suggest that every use should be voted on and its use in that way
>> would be impossible to police.)
>
> http://home.no/buffy2/ displays 17 freeware images. 16 of them are
> FREEWARE logos (they are images without words).
>
> Number 15 (wings of freeware) says alt.comp.freeware - the addition of
> those words changes that image from a FREEWARE logo to an ACF logo.

Very interesting chain of thought! It is the ACF who votes / select the
"freeware logo". Is it then the ACF logo also? And since it is selected
by ACF, can it then use the words alt.comp.freeware?

And to complicate matter (or make it easier) - I'm gonna suggest that we
don't invent the wheel again and as the criteria for use re-use what the
group earlier has decided is acceptable "freeware" - ie programs
electable for the pricelessware and it's wares glossary...

Acceptable: Freeware, and the non-intrusive versions of Liteware,
Giftware, Charityware, Registerware, Requestware. Ain't this what we
usually accepts ???

Websites must clearly distinguish between freeware and shareware if they
are gonna use the logo. Freeware on a specific page for instance.

Example: Snapfiles top 100 freeware could use the logo...
http://www.snapfiles.com/topdownloads/fw_top100-1.html

And I still believe R. Sandee must keep the copyright to the image.
We can ask for people to link to a freeware logo site (or page at
pricelessware). That way we can use counters/trackers to see which sites
use it. But we have no chance whatsoever to fully control who uses the
image. If we find inproper use of it, we can ask them to remove it.
With a copyright for the image to an individual (not to a concept as
"loose" as the acf group) perhaps we can have some muscle behind our demand.

I'm hoping both pricelessware sites will use the image and help spread
"the word".

Regards from vegard

--
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