Re: {UPDATE} Avidemux 2.7.8

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> I installed from my soft ware manager but it will not launce in
> Linum Mint

Which Mint? Which avidemux? Which DE?

In live Mint 20.1 Cinnamon, I added the .ppa by Panda Jim at launchpad.
Then I used synaptic to search on the avidemux packages; there was a
avidemux-cli and an avidemux Qt.

Then I went to the avidemux site wiki user interface section to learn
what had become of the gtk version and decided that I needed to use the
Qt and all of the many dependencies which follow for a Cinnamon DE.

After installing w/ synaptic, Avidemux 2.7 Qt5 appeared in the sound &
video menu section and launched as a GUI.

--
Mike Easter

[kelown]

> "Avidemux is a free video editor designed for simple cutting,
> filtering and encoding tasks.

> A useful and easy-to use program for simple video editing and
> conversion tasks.

Not an intuitive app. It's easy-to-use once you get the hang of its
quirky interface. Like most apps.

[Mike Easter]

Mike Easter wrote:
> there was a avidemux-cli and an avidemux Qt.

> decided that I needed to use the
> Qt and all of the many dependencies which follow

Installing the avidemux Qt package does NOT install the avidemux-cli
package.

Nicodemus wrote earlier:

> I installed from my soft ware manager but it will not launce in Linum
> Mint

After I installed the avidemux-cli package and read the wiki on invoking
avidemux from the command line, I was still unsuccessful at:

avidemux --help

or

avidemux2.7_cli --help

... which gives a shared library error about:

libADM_UI_Cli6.so

If someone is interested in using the cli, the page is here:

https://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/doku.php?id=using:command_line_usage


--
Mike Easter

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> Mike Easter

>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> there was a avidemux-cli and an avidemux Qt.
>>

> Sorry I was off chasing demons in Christondom, I can live without
> avidemux for now, explain to me what do you visage passing on into
> the supernatural, sorry for such off topic wording, have you heard
> of some utopia where there an escape, LM
>
I don't understand the question.

The wp article on Christian demonology has some useful links; but I
don't know which path to follow unless I can understand the question.

--
Mike Easter

[John C.]

For a long time now, I've noticed that Thunderbird's (any version)
filter action rule to also ignore the sub-thread when you block
somebody, simply doesn't work.

I've had Nicodemus blocked for years because of his non-stop religious
babbling. The filter I set up for his posts includes that action rule
and other filters I use do as well. Yet it never does anything, never
has. When I block somebody, I don't want to see replies to them either
because invariably, what the person I blocked said is quoted -thus
rendering my blocking filter ineffective.

Has anybody else who is using Thunderbird and its filters noticed this
problem?

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/organize-your-messages-using-filters

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Filters_(Thunderbird)

Am I missing something?

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share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. I filter out
posts made from Google Groups and cross-posted (sent to more than one
newsgroup at a time) messages. I recommend you do likewise.

[John C.]

Main problem I've noticed every time I use it is that it's output is
unreliable. Sometimes it doesn't have sound, other times it has no
video. I gave up on the program, but every once in a while I try it
again ("hold the football, Charlie Brown") to see if the author(s) have
fixed the problem. They never do.

[Steve]

Filter on the reference header. I've just done it on my
Thunderbird and it works.
References -> contains -> GoodNewsHorizonnet

[John C.]

Great idea, Steve and I'll implement it. However, did you also notice
the problem with the "Ignore Subthread" rule not working though?

[John C.]

Yrrah wrote:

> kelown wrote:
>
>> Not an intuitive app. It's easy-to-use once you get the hang of its
>> quirky interface. Like most apps.
>

> Yes, I know, rtfm is too much work for modern folk with short
> attention spans. ;-)

Just so you'll know Yrrah, that wasn't the problem in my case(s). I RTFM.

Maybe there's a differences between the Windows and Linux versions.

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> What I was trying to say was that the steps you
> outlined to install Avidemux are beyond my current
> skill level for now.

Earlier in this thread you said:

> I installed from my soft ware manager but it will not launce in
> Linum Mint

The Mint default software manager is Synaptic. In order to install from
synaptic one would have to add the .ppa, so I assumed that that part of
the process was familiar to you and I didn't explain it.

I was able to determine a pathway to a 'decision' which would be an
error that could lead to the statement that you made just above about
not launching. That is, if you had added the .ppa and then used
synaptic to install avidemux-cli, you would have a problem, because it
would have been better for you to install the avidemux-qt.

If you don't have experience w/ adding .ppa repo/s at all, then I should
refer you to some articles on that subject; but that adding .ppa idea
isn't consistent w/ what you said above; that you DID install from the
software manager synaptic.

> On a side note I did manage to install Open Shot Video Editor and was
> wondering how it comapres to Avidemux.
Open Shot is present in the conventional Mint repo/s (Ubuntu universe)
and would not require a .ppa repo.

I have no experience using any vid editor; avidemux or open shot.

I was looking for a good article about using synaptic to add a .ppa
instead of using the command line, which is the way I do it, but the
only articles I found do not describe using the .ppa button in the
synaptic software sources function.


--
Mike Easter

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 13:37:51 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
<Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>What I was trying to say was that the steps you
>outlined to install Avidemux are beyond my current

>skill level for now. On a side note I did manage to

>install Open Shot Video Editor and was wondering how
>it comapres to Avidemux.

It's all Broadcast Engineering.

The University of California, Berkeley, from beautiful western
California, located in sumptuous San Francisco Bay, is largely
responsible for predictively digitizing motion of entropic imagery
within a limited scope (frames per second) of greater manageability,
people now of a common sort are know known to see by.

Although I've never subscribed to the resultant plan first aired on a
9" console TeeVee, just saying, try not to sweat it;- Looks to be
another hot, dry summer.

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> Had to look up what .ppa is. Personal Package Archive
> https://itsfoss.com/ppa-guide/

I haven't yet figured out how you could have added the avidemux package
to linux mint w/o dealing w/ a .ppa repo.

That is a decent and fairly comprehensive article you cited about .ppa,
however it fails to describe a couple of things.

- it assumes that the user does NOT have synaptic installed, which
your Mint does
- it does NOT describe using synaptic or software sources to /add/ a
.ppa, only command

--
Mike Easter

[Mike Easter]

dan wrote:
> Just reading this stuff shows you why the average Windows user such as
> myself would never go near Linux.

My experiences w/ Win started w/ W95. By 98se I was dabbling w/ linux
progressively. I still have systems w/ XP installed and I often use
Win7. I have a Win10 which I don't use; I mention that experience to
put a perspective on the opinion which follows.

Over those years, and considering that this group is a freeware group, I
consider the typical Win methods of installing software to be more
'hazardous' than linux.

Most linux users only install ware from their repo/s, which are vetted
and specific for their operating system. The business of the role of
.ppa/s as a vetting system or that of other alternate repo/s such as
those of Arch tends to make software installation more 'controlled' than
Win.

The hurdle which linux users experience is that there are a lot of
different distributions and desktop environments and window managers and
themes which annoys some linux users and pleases others. Those factors
have an impact on choices in installing other /freeware/ which comes to
their attention.



--
Mike Easter

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> Avidemux is in my Software Manager,

My original questions in this thread were:

> Nicodemus wrote:
>> I installed from my soft ware manager but it will not launce in
>> Linum Mint
>

> Which Mint? Which avidemux? Which DE?

... but now I'm gaining more insight. I never use software manager; as
I prefer synaptic or the command line, but in my linux mint 20.1
cinnamon, I opened the software manager and i *DO* find avidemux present
as a flatpak in the default manager, which somewhat surprises me.

Then, if I select it to install, a fairly 'monstrous' amount of
additional ware is announced to be installed related to kde platform and
freedesktop platform that I don't like the idea of.

The business of the systems of adding software via flatpak or snap or
appimage is not a movement/trend which pleases me as I find those
systems 'inefficient' compared to those of simpler packages like .deb or
.rpm found in such as .ppa repo/s for Ubuntu/Mint.

Instead of installing it on this system I'm using, I installed it as the
flatpak on an 'experimental' live Mint 20.1 Cinnamon to mimic your own
experience.

The software manager launch button launched the avidemux; it also
appeared in the sound & video menu as avidemux which launched.

The idea behind the snap/flatpak/appimage trend is based on easing the
problems for developers as regards the variety of linux distro/s; as the
wp article on flatpak says:

> Another key feature of Flatpak is that it allows application developers to directly provide updates to users without going through distributions, and without having to package and test the application separately for each distribution.

Personally, I would rather be using a package for MY distro, rather than
a great big fat package not specifically for my distro.

In a sense, the flatpak etc trend is an argument in favor of dan's
position about Win ware being simpler than linux ware.

--
Mike Easter

[Nicodemus]

Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in
news:iapp3j...@mid.individual.net:

> Which Mint? Which avidemux? Which DE?

$ cat /etc/issue
Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa \n \l

Avidemux v2.7.4 Flathub

$ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Linux Mint"
VERSION="19.1 (Tessa)"
ID=linuxmint
ID_LIKE=ubuntu
PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 19.1"
VERSION_ID="19.1"
HOME_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://forums.ubuntu.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://linuxmint-troubleshooting-
guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
VERSION_CODENAME=tessa
UBUNTU_CODENAME=bionic

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa \n \l
>
> Avidemux v2.7.4 Flathub

I think I would use your software manager to remove the flathub
avidemux; then I would use the FOSS article guide to .ppa you cited
earlier, then I would use either the command line or synaptic to install
the launchpad .ppa to your software sources so that you can install the
avidemux-qt package which has been added to your repo/s, and I would do
it w/ synaptic instead of the software manager.

--
Mike Easter

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 10:23:38 -0600, d...@wherever.com wrote:

>Just reading this stuff shows you why the average Windows user such as
>myself would never go near Linux.

They're just computers. Before Windows was DOS, and before that BASIC
and UNIX built from a rubble of cogs to punch cards, vacuum tubes and
magnetic tape. Nothing drastic has changed since in the family of
Intel OpCodes, still based on early 4XXXX architecture for the first
8088 Personal Computer. The scientists are still at putting in old
chips in modern rocket ships, like they're really off to go to
somewhere, where there's like people that think handhelds are for
sitting bare-assed on, because they're also actually doing something;-
which is all quite amazing to consider everyone best knew the world
was recently flat, just as surely that now to know Billy is really a
neat philantrepreneur with all its land.

[Nicodemus]

Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in

news:iapqfr...@mid.individual.net:

Here is where it gets difficult for me, when I examine
the Synaptic Package Manager I do not see any
reference to .ppa, not sure what "launchpad" is.

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> Here is where it gets difficult for me, when I examine
> the Synaptic Package Manager I do not see any
> reference to .ppa, not sure what "launchpad" is.

OK.

Here is the avidemux .ppa

https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuhandbook1/+archive/ubuntu/avidemux

Your Mint 19.1 is actually based on Ubuntu Bionic (which is 18.04 LTS)

The launchpad Panda Jim avidemux/es are available for 9 different
versions of ubuntu including bionic. The avidemux 2.7 was *just*
recently added for yours Mar 7.

The instructions at the launchpad site are for adding the repo by
command line, which is very easy and can be done by cut and paste; but
personally I like for my choices to be command or GUI point and click.
Paste and click is also OK :-).

It doesn't seem that you are averse to the command line, so you can have
your choice of using the launchpad command instructions or you can use
synaptic to access software sources.

Synaptic/ Settings menu/ Repositories item/ (software sources window) L
pane - ppa/s

Now you have an empty R pane w/ an Add button which when clicked might
already be populated w/ the link which I pasted above; but if it isn't
you can paste in the name of the repo you see as part of the command line:

ppa:ubuntuhandbook1/avidemux

So, in this case you are choosing whether you want to paste a command

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntuhandbook1/avidemux

or paste a piece of a command into a GUI.

When you are doing it in synaptic, you can also update there and you can
also search there.

The reason I like to use synaptic sometimes instead of the command is
because in this case the search function shows you the difference
between installing the avidemux-cli vs installing the avidemux Qt, which
Qt is the one you want.


--
Mike Easter

[kelown]

> I did manage to
> install Open Shot Video Editor and was wondering how
> it comapres to Avidemux.

Avidemux supports lossless edits by cutting on keyframes. Saving the
result is a breeze.

Shotcut has a busier interface than Avidemux but supports cutting either
frame-by-frame or by seconds. Both approaches require re-encoding the
video. Also, configuring your video to be saved with the same
characteristics of the original video is more tedious than with
Avidemux. Shotcut supports a lot of convenient but unintuitive keyboard
navigation shortcuts that you'll need a tutorial to learn. I use Shotcut
only for frame-by-frame lossy editing.

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 17:37:39 +0100, Yrrah <Yrra...@acf.invalid> wrote:

>"John C." <r9j...@yahoo.com>:

>
>> > Yes, I know, rtfm is too much work for modern folk with short
>> > attention spans. ;-)
>
>> Just so you'll know Yrrah, that wasn't the problem in my case(s).
>

>I didn't say it was, John, and wasn't referring to your attention
>span. I don't know what caused your problems with Avidemux. I do know
>(from experience) that one has to experiment a little with the various
>settings and options.
>
>Yrrah

<shakes head> Go on, get back under the bridge -->

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On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 10:23:38 -0600, d...@wherever.com wrote:

>Just reading this stuff shows you why the average Windows user such as
>myself would never go near Linux.

Linux, the challenge is in getting the application installed. Life's way
too short. They're so exhausted by the time the application is working
that they need a month to recover and counseling before they can face
tackling the manual and start looking for the necessary patches and bug
fixes. It keeps them off the streets, out of the bars, and the arms of
wanton women I suppose.

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> Now Avidemux appears in Sound and Video and
> launches. phew! Thank you so much Mike.

Good. YW.

--
Mike Easter

[John C.]

Yrrah wrote:
> John C. wrote:

>> Yrrah wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I know, rtfm is too much work for modern folk with short
>>> attention spans. ;-)
>>
>> Just so you'll know Yrrah, that wasn't the problem in my case(s).
>

> I didn't say it was, John, and wasn't referring to your attention
> span. I don't know what caused your problems with Avidemux. I do know
> (from experience) that one has to experiment a little with the various
> settings and options.

My remark was just in case. As for experimentation with the program, I
did it to the point of exhaustion and that's why I finally started
looking for other solutions to my video editing needs.

I'm still wondering if maybe there isn't a difference between the Linux
and Windows ports.

[Steve]

Ooops, I didn't notice that. I mainly use Gravity which
has an ignore thread function but not an ignore sub-
thread one.

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
<Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>nice choice of word

No, but this is a nice choice of words:

https://forums.virtualbox.org/

Oracle's Virtual Box for a Linux-based platform, consistent with
several *NIX distros and, developmentally [so] qualified, for
inclusion of all Billy Goat's Microsoft products, up and to Windows
10.

One ring to rule them all;-
One ring to bind them together,
And one Overlord to make His Will known:
There will be Dansing Celts in sparks of firelight,
Their hands tied to their sides, twinkle-toed.

[John C.]

Wow. Microplanet Gravity hasn't had a new version in over 10 years now.
That is, unless I'm missing something, nobody took over development of
that program.

Perhaps it might be time to consider something else. If you're worried
about not being able to download binaries, you could look at Grabit.
However, for simple text newsgroups I think Thunderbird is still the
best bet out there. There are other options though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders#Freeware

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 23:47:51 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
<Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>You say it well one ring to rule them all, tell me of
>your wonderous adventures, in this place the purists
>are filled with so many filters, is there a stand,
>where the gathering will unfold.

Sounds suspiciously like a developer's platform for testing software
while it's being written and modified. Hammering in the square holes
in circles and stuff. Others call it kludge.

[Shadow]

On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 10:23:38 -0600, d...@wherever.com wrote:

>On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 06:58:39 -0800, Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>Nicodemus wrote:

.............

>
>Just reading this stuff shows you why the average Windows user such as
>myself would never go near Linux.

Try not to read it then. Nicodemus is a psychotic religious
fanatic off his meds and M.E. always does everything the hard way.
To install a program under Linux (the Debian way) just click
on Synaptic, click search, type in "Thunderbird" or whatever(there are
tens of thousands of programs to choose from), mark it, and click
install. Done.
Other dists have other package managers, but they work
essentially the same way.
HTH
[]'s

--
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We have a new policy - Google 2012

[Mike Easter]

Shadow wrote:
> M.E. always does everything the hard way.

The hard way would be compiling something from source :-)

> To install a program under Linux (the Debian way) just click
> on Synaptic, click search, type in "Thunderbird" or whatever(there are
> tens of thousands of programs to choose from), mark it, and click
> install. Done.

Debian (and Ubuntu) have vast repositories of packages, but sometimes,
as was the case for Avidemux and the conventional Ubuntu repo/s, a
useful package may be available in a .ppa for Ubuntu family which is NOT
in the conventional repositories.

AND... Avidemux is NOT in the standard Debian Buster repositories, and
Deb can't use the Ubuntu .ppa packages for it. However, there is a 3rd
party site deb-multimedia.org which does have a .deb package for Buster.

This business of flatpak availability (or Snap or appimage) is not a
trend I would like to see replacing the availability in conventional
packages in conventional or .ppa repo/s. The avidemux site does have an
appimage package in addition to source.

The business of Avidemux showing up in the software manager of Mint as a
flatpak, but not in the conventional repo/s showing in Synaptic was a
surprise to me.

> Other dists have other package managers, but they work
> essentially the same way.

As long as the desired app is in the distro's conventional repositories,
which is 'most often' the case, everything is cool and simple; but when
it is NOT, many people are going to want to do something other than
compile from source, which is an activity which does not always go smoothly/


--
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[Steve]

Steve Gibson at grc.com is maintaining a fork of it now.
I'm using his latest version. There's another fork of it
somewhere, but I've lost the details.

> Perhaps it might be time to consider something else. If you're worried
> about not being able to download binaries, you could look at Grabit.

Gravity will do binaries, but there are better bunny
downloaders if that was what I was after. I moved over to
torrents a long time ago when most of the good stuff had
its file name munged and the content password protected.
Torrents are less hassle.

> However, for simple text newsgroups I think Thunderbird is still the
> best bet out there. There are other options though:

I use Thunderbird for email. It's an email client that a
lot of people use for usenet. Reminds me in that way of
Outlook Express.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders#Freeware

Thanks. I've tried a few, but I prefer what I'm using now
even though it isn't perfect.

[Shadow]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:50:35 -0800, Mike Easter <Mi...@ster.invalid>
wrote:

>Shadow wrote:
>> M.E. always does everything the hard way.
>
>The hard way would be compiling something from source :-)

Not so hard, unless it has un-named dependencies.

PPAs are too complicated for people that "won't migrate just
because" from Windows because it involves visiting a site, downloading
a key and editing your sources file.
They prefer what Win 10 "recommends" by default.
(and don't get me started on XnView. You have to download the
package AND run:
dpkg -i XnViewWhatever.deb
From the COMMAND line. I can almost feel them shudder.)
LOL

[Mike Easter]

Nicodemus wrote:
> And not a word about XNEWS,

Here's a word about xnews...

... some of you xnews drivers (Sidhe, Nicodemus) could learn more about
driving your client so that you don't chop up your citations and URLs.

- trim your citations down to just enough context to precede your own
content
- if your agent is breaking URLs, fix/handle that
- if your agent is creating 'ugly shortlines' (my term; I think there
is a better term somewhere, like awkward linewraps) then you should
fix/handle that

For example; my agent Tb default is to use format=flowed, but many
agents don't. My agent also has the editing/composing capability to
'rewrap' but many agents don't.

Some people use a console based agent which also means that they use
some kind of 'external' text editor, which text editor such as vim or
emacs may be very powerful, so they can do what they want.

XNews doesn't behave like Tb, nor like vim or emacs, but that doesn't
mean that the xnews driver can't handle its behavior, ie misbehavior.


--
Mike Easter

[Nicodemus]

Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote in
news:pc4i4ghdoc36svu8g...@4ax.com:

> Nicodemus is a psychotic religious
> fanatic off his meds

Holy Smoke, remind me from where you are coming from,
are you some purist that believes in the complete
evolution of the greatest minds have come together to
proclaim as long as you kiss their ass
you will be a chosen one and allowed the rights of a
chosen one,

[Unsteadyken]

In article <XnsACE9B577D44DFG...@46.165.242.75>,

Nicodemus says...

> And not a word about XNEWS,
>

Or Gravity.


--
Ken

[John C.]

Steve wrote:
> John C. wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>> John C. wrote:
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>> (snipped)

>>>>> Filter on the reference header. I've just done it on my
>>>>> Thunderbird and it works.
>>>>> References -> contains -> GoodNewsHorizonnet
>>>>
>>>> Great idea, Steve and I'll implement it. However, did you also notice
>>>> the problem with the "Ignore Subthread" rule not working though?
>>>
>>> Ooops, I didn't notice that. I mainly use Gravity which
>>> has an ignore thread function but not an ignore sub-
>>> thread one.
>>
>> Wow. Microplanet Gravity hasn't had a new version in over 10 years now.
>> That is, unless I'm missing something, nobody took over development of
>> that program.
>
> Steve Gibson at grc.com is maintaining a fork of it now.
> I'm using his latest version. There's another fork of it
> somewhere, but I've lost the details.

Gibson's version is mentioned here:

https://www.grc.com/discussions.htm (scroll down about a third of the way)

Downloads are here:

https://www.grc.com/dev/

MRV is 3.0.10 6/24/2020

>> Perhaps it might be time to consider something else. If you're worried
>> about not being able to download binaries, you could look at Grabit.
>
> Gravity will do binaries, but there are better bunny
> downloaders if that was what I was after.

As I mentioned above, Grabit is the best I've found. What do you use?

> I moved over to torrents a long time ago when most of the good stuff had
> its file name munged and the content password protected. Torrents are
> less hassle.

For me, it depends on what I'm getting. Torrents are less hassle though.

>> However, for simple text newsgroups I think Thunderbird is still the
>> best bet out there. There are other options though:
>
> I use Thunderbird for email. It's an email client that a lot of people
> use for usenet. Reminds me in that way of Outlook Express.
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders#Freeware
>
> Thanks. I've tried a few, but I prefer what I'm using now even though it
> isn't perfect.

I tried Gravity a long time ago and it wasn't that bad. Had been using
TB as my default email and usenet reader for a long time though, and
didn't see the point in having two programs installed that could do usenet.

YMVs though, obviously.

[Mark Blain]

Steve <lamma...@gmail.com> wrote (in part):

> Steve Gibson at grc.com is maintaining a fork of it now.
> I'm using his latest version. There's another fork of it
> somewhere, but I've lost the details.

The other fork of Gravity was mentioned in this group last year. I
have not used either one, but if you want to compare:
https://github.com/taviso/mpgravity

[Mike Easter]

Mark Blain wrote:
> The other fork of Gravity was mentioned in this group last year. I
> have not used either one, but if you want to compare:

You are using XNews and it appears that you are wrapping in the
neighborhood of 70 and you aren't chopping up the lines you are citing.

Perhaps you could give some guidance to Sidhe and Nicodemus about how
they can use XNews and solve their problems w/ ugly shortlines of
citations and broken URLs in their msg/s.

However, the Steve you were citing had a rather short linelength of less
than 60, so maybe your msg just 'got lucky' and you don't actually have
a strategy for dealing w/ longer lines like these.

--
Mike Easter

[Steve]

That's it, thanks. I've bookmarked it.

[Steve]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 22:11:50 -0800, John C. wrote:
[...]

> As I mentioned above, Grabit is the best I've found. What do you use?

Newsleecher v7.0. It has a good search.
Another one that I'm playing with at the moment is
Spotnet. It's default language is Dutch. A guide on how
to use it and change the language to English can be found
at <https://www.cogipas.com/spotnet-the-complete-guide/>.

> > I moved over to torrents a long time ago when most of the good stuff had
> > its file name munged and the content password protected. Torrents are
> > less hassle.
>
> For me, it depends on what I'm getting. Torrents are less hassle though.

Yep.

[Steve]

Hmm, that's strange. My line wrap width is set at 72.

[Mike Easter]

Steve wrote:

> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>> However, the Steve you were citing had a rather short linelength of less
>> than 60, so maybe your msg just 'got lucky' and you don't actually have
>> a strategy for dealing w/ longer lines like these.
>
> Hmm, that's strange. My line wrap width is set at 72.
>

I was looking at this msg:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=161550790900
From: Steve
Subject: Re: {UPDATE} Avidemux 2.7.8
Message-ID: <SOa2I.201838$gK6d....@usenetxs.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 21:25:04 -0000


I don't see any of your own content lines that are over 60; while there
are citations that are significantly longer; over 70.

--
Mike Easter

[John C.]

Steve wrote:
> John C. wrote:
> [...]
>> As I mentioned above, Grabit is the best I've found. What do you use?
>
> Newsleecher v7.0. It has a good search.

Well, I did ask. Too bad Newsleecher isn't freeware.

> Another one that I'm playing with at the moment is
> Spotnet. It's default language is Dutch. A guide on how
> to use it and change the language to English can be found
> at <https://www.cogipas.com/spotnet-the-complete-guide/>.

Interesting. Strange that I haven't heard about this until now.

https://www.cogipas.com/spotnet-the-complete-guide/

>>> I moved over to torrents a long time ago when most of the good stuff had
>>> its file name munged and the content password protected. Torrents are
>>> less hassle.
>>
>> For me, it depends on what I'm getting. Torrents are less hassle though.
>
> Yep.

[Steve]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 22:26:05 -0800, John C. wrote:
>
> Steve wrote:
> > John C. wrote:
> > [...]
> >> As I mentioned above, Grabit is the best I've found. What do you use?
> >
> > Newsleecher v7.0. It has a good search.
>
> Well, I did ask. Too bad Newsleecher isn't freeware.

It used to be 'payware', is that a word? I remember pirating it in the
distant past. The program itself now seems to be free. Now they try to make
their money by selling you a subscription to their usenet server. I've got
a couple of ancient blocks from other providers plus a slow freebie from
xsusenet, and I use them instead.

> > Another one that I'm playing with at the moment is
> > Spotnet. It's default language is Dutch. A guide on how
> > to use it and change the language to English can be found
> > at <https://www.cogipas.com/spotnet-the-complete-guide/>.
>
> Interesting. Strange that I haven't heard about this until now.

It's new for me too. Users 'spot' obfuscated posts, deobfuscate them and
share the spots.

> https://www.cogipas.com/spotnet-the-complete-guide/

[Steve]

It seems to be another bug/quirk of Gravity. I've changed the line length
to 95 now, and that gives me a real line length of 75.

[John C.]

Steve wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 22:26:05 -0800, John C. wrote:
>>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> John C. wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> As I mentioned above, Grabit is the best I've found. What do you use?
>>>
>>> Newsleecher v7.0. It has a good search.
>>
>> Well, I did ask. Too bad Newsleecher isn't freeware.
>
> It used to be 'payware', is that a word? I remember pirating it in the
> distant past. The program itself now seems to be free. Now they try to make
> their money by selling you a subscription to their usenet server.

That's the same business model as Grabit.

> I've got a couple of ancient blocks from other providers plus a slow
> freebie from xsusenet, and I use them instead.

XS Usenet, yeah. Me too. Can't post, but oh well.

>>> Another one that I'm playing with at the moment is
>>> Spotnet. It's default language is Dutch. A guide on how
>>> to use it and change the language to English can be found
>>> at <https://www.cogipas.com/spotnet-the-complete-guide/>.
>>
>> Interesting. Strange that I haven't heard about this until now.
>
> It's new for me too. Users 'spot' obfuscated posts, deobfuscate them and
> share the spots.
>
>> https://www.cogipas.com/spotnet-the-complete-guide/

Looks kinda like a file sharing scheme. Might be best done through a VPN.